A tragic day, an American Ambassador is killed.

[Alex3000gt]

On the 11th Anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

U.S. Ambassador To Libya, Three Other Americans Killed In Benghazi Attack : The Two-Way : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/12/160992840/u-s-ambassador-to-libya-three-other-americans-killed-in-benghazi-attack)


The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three of his staff members were killed in an attack on the American consulate in the country's eastern city of Benghazi, the White House confirmed Wednesday.

The deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and the other embassy employees came after an angry mob surrounded the Benghazi consulate Tuesday night to protest a film ridiculing Islam's Prophet Muhammad that had been promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States.

[Alex3000gt]

The New York Post has published some shocking and NSFW photos. I will leave you to look those up yourself.

[jspecmike]

lets not get even, lets get ahead :-) CARPET bomb them to hell.

[j2k4]

The deck is stacked against us over there.

Ambassador Stevens was probably the greatest friend Libya had, but the situation defies management.

Exacting revenge would be a feel-good reaction, but we can count on the UN to stand in the way.

Apart from that, Russia and China see the entire region moving away from the US, which they interpret as movement toward them.

They're totally okay with that, I'm sure.

[Roybatty]

Empty chair is sorry for our free speech.

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[JasonY]

Just leave, leave those people to their own devices and demise.

Jason

[IPD]

some thanks we get.

[IPD]

Just leave, leave those people to their own devices and demise.

Jason

if we could be guaranteed of never having another 9-11....i'd do it in a heartbeat. i don't think that's a realistic dream though.

[JasonY]

The loss of personal and financial freedom in this country since 9/11 is worse than living with the possibility of another 9/11.

Jason

[IPD]

The loss of personal and financial freedom in this country since 9/11 is worse than living with the possibility of another 9/11.

Jason

that's a pretty easy statement to make on this side of it. i wonder how everyone would feel if we were losing 3500 civilians ANNUALLY (or more) to terrorist attacks.

p.s.

i think what irritates me the most about this is the complete and utter lack of tangible response to this by the muslims who are carrying all the signs that say something to the effect of "this does not represent us". wtf? seriously? if that's not who YOU are--collectively--then why haven't the perpetrators been ousted from their homes to stand trial for aggravated murder? same shit happens every time an extremist muslim does something--public denial and reprehension...and islam at large does NOTHING about it.

i'm not buying into that hogwash any longer.

[j2k4]

I look to the White House, wondering if I should be upset yet, and by golly, I am.

At least there aren't any Muslims or Muslim organizations denouncing it either. :wink:

US officials investigate whether strike on Benghazi post 'coordinated,' timed for 9/11 anniversary | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/12/us-officials-suspect-strike-on-benghazi-post-coordinated/)

[NickS VR4]

The loss of personal and financial freedom in this country since 9/11 is worse than living with the possibility of another 9/11.

Jason

Think of terrorism as cancer. We are in constant radiation therapy. If we stop, it will grow, and it will spread. I don't see a solution other than bringing third world nations up to a level in which they can police themselves.

There is no good solution IMO.

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[JasonY]

Well just walking around with our big stick and swatting every hornets nest we find seems to be causing us more trouble than its preventing. When we should walk around with our flame thrower instead, but thats not a acceptable solution.

Jason

[BaadVR4]

I think we should give every middle eastern country not named Israel a nuclear warhead. Detonation about 1000 feet above each capital should get their attention. We should then continue nuclear testing throughout those countries until all of them are uninhabitable nuclear waste lands with a total population of zero. And apologize to no one for anything.

[IPD]

I think we should give every middle eastern country not named Israel a nuclear warhead. Detonation about 1000 feet above each capital should get their attention. We should then continue nuclear testing throughout those countries until all of them are uninhabitable nuclear waste lands with a total population of zero. And apologize to no one for anything.

i wish we could.....i wish we could. i just know we mustn't

[BaadVR4]

i wish we could.....i wish we could. i just know we mustn't

And, for all the politically correct on this forum: THAT IS WHAT REALLY HURTS: that we mustn't.

[IPD]

it's not even political correctness...it's the fact that we'd lose all political legitimacy internationally. we would lose all of our allies & turn the world into an alliance against us.

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

How did you guys like that Romney condemned the actions while Obama waiting "for more information" and very plainly did nothing. Seriously, the President should be outraged and we should take action. Not apologize for freedom of speech repeatedly. Oh, the the Libyans that help carry him out, if you saw the pictures it looked more like dragging while every shithead was snapping pics on the phones.

[onebadmollafolla]

You guys realize a group of thugs came along and did this? There were countless people protesting this act of terrorism in Benghazi with signs of sorrow. This wasn't a country, it was group of terrorists that deserve nothing less than being skinned alive. I'm all for the US keeping their big stick as law and order. Some would disagree. But to say that Benghazi needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth because a group of terrorists committed a heinous act of violence makes you sound like a child that runs off of emotion only. Be objective. Take down the ones that caused this wrath, which I am all for. Until then, quit being a fucking child. You apologize to nobody? What a hardass. :lol:

[IPD]

You guys realize a group of thugs came along and did this? There were countless people protesting this act of terrorism in Benghazi with signs of sorrow. This wasn't a country, it was group of terrorists that deserve nothing less than being skinned alive. I'm all for the US keeping their big stick as law and order. Some would disagree. But to say that Benghazi needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth because a group of terrorists committed a heinous act of violence makes you sound like a child that runs off of emotion only. Be objective. Take down the ones that caused this wrath, which I am all for. Until then, quit being a fucking child. You apologize to nobody? What a hardass. :lol:

that's the problem. this isn't the first time shit like this has happened. remember the theo van-gogh? yeah, they got the perp...but where was the massive islamic backlash against him? where were all the muslims who should have dragged him out into the streets and publicly turned him over to police for giving islam a bad name?

the "public outcry" is nothing more than a bunch of hot-air from the islamic community. i've seen this type of crap happen too often to be fooled by it again. if it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck....

if islam wants to be taken seriously and not treated as a backwater, uncivilized, anti-human-rights, theocratic sanction for committing all types of brazen violence...then there should be a lot more than a pithy verbal response to shit like what happened to lars vilks. the islam i see is shaking our hand, kissing our cheek, and stabbing us in the back with its other hand; pretty much exactly like how joab killed amasa.

[Ange]

There have been studies showing that larger part of the muslim population sympathize with terrorist acts. There in lies the problem. There is a constant flow of new recruits to the terrorists from the population itself. The ideas of the terrorists in terms of democracy probably isn't too far off the ideas of the population. For example if you say something negative about their prophet Mohammed, most of the citizens would probably want to see you decapitated. Fellow swede Lars Vilks has been good in pointing this out and i respect his work, it shows their attitudes towards free speach and democracy.

I think a better solution would be if the jews bought themselves a new piece of land in another part of the world. Being surrounded by terrorists really isn't working out for them.

[BaadVR4]

You are correct in saying it was not a country that did this. In fact, as has already been pointed out, it was an entire culture, an entire international population. By complicity, by the continuous flow of money, by the harboring of the guilty, by the (fill in the blank) each and every Islamist world wide has made it possible for this to happen. If not for virtually every Islamist world wide at least condoning terrorism, it would not exist like it does.

"Take down the ones that caused this...."? Just how, pray tell, do you propose to do that? Hell, just tell me how you plan to figure out who they are. You can't. Nor can I. I can determine UNDER RULE OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, that the government of the host country IS RESPONSIBLE for the protection of US property and citizens, in their country legally, acting legally.

I might agree with you that "a group of thugs came along and did this" if you define the "group" to include 99% of the Islamic population.



My commentary was "hyperbole":


hy·per·bo·le
   [hahy-pur-buh-lee] Show IPA
noun Rhetoric

1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.

2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”





You guys realize a group of thugs came along and did this? There were countless people protesting this act of terrorism in Benghazi with signs of sorrow. This wasn't a country, it was group of terrorists that deserve nothing less than being skinned alive. I'm all for the US keeping their big stick as law and order. Some would disagree. But to say that Benghazi needs to be wiped off the face of the Earth because a group of terrorists committed a heinous act of violence makes you sound like a child that runs off of emotion only. Be objective. Take down the ones that caused this wrath, which I am all for. Until then, quit being a fucking child. You apologize to nobody? What a hardass. :lol:

[zelstin]

You are correct in saying it was not a country that did this. In fact, as has already been pointed out, it was an entire culture, an entire international population. By complicity, by the continuous flow of money, by the harboring of the guilty, by the (fill in the blank) each and every Islamist world wide has made it possible for this to happen. If not for virtually every Islamist world wide at least condoning terrorism, it would not exist like it does.

"Take down the ones that caused this...."? Just how, pray tell, do you propose to do that? Hell, just tell me how you plan to figure out who they are. You can't. Nor can I. I can determine UNDER RULE OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, that the government of the host country IS RESPONSIBLE for the protection of US property and citizens, in their country legally, acting legally.

I might agree with you that "a group of thugs came along and did this" if you define the "group" to include 99% of the Islamic population.

Congratulations! You have the same thought process as the idiots who blamed America for the anti-Muhammad video.

[IPD]

Congratulations! You have the same thought process as the idiots who blamed America for the anti-Muhammad video.

i'm not going to come up with arbitrary numbers about what percentage of what supports "x". what i am going to say is that when an american servicemember is accused of impropriety on the international stage, we are very keen to punish them. this goes for a lot of other aspects of our society as well. we as a country--collectively--have demonstrated our resolve to hunt down and deal with the dregs we have unleashed upon the world as a byproduct of our existence. we also can tolerate jokes about jesus christ, or our president & political leadership. we also tolerate our flag--and yes, even bibles--being burned.

islam, doesn't have a collective sense of humor. nor does it tolerate a religious protest against itself; those who burn the koran or lampoon muhammad are given a death sentence. nor has the religion--collectively--rooted out its degenerate elements and happily handed them over to other authorities...if only to grant an air of legitimacy to its prose about condemning militant activity. i suspect this is because islam holds itself to be theocratic, and therefore sharia is the only law seen as legitimate--and by deduction, it is impossible to punish a militant muslim within the guidelines of sharia law (at least as far as i can tell).

the bottom line--for me--is that islam's religious freedom ends where my freedom of speech begins. my personal freedoms have been encroached upon for far too long by this religion--either overtly by design, or covertly because "good muslims do nothing".

[Roybatty]

Some cultures don't follow the 10 commandments... & life is a lot cheaper.

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