nelson 1074awhp auto @ 25psi on dsmtuner.com

[jerrid]

1075awhp 3000gt ATX - DSM Forums (http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/dyno-talk/441732-1075awhp-3000gt-atx.html)

[anyonebutme]

"revs to 11K"

dyno ends at 9250.

"139 psi of oil pressure"

[jerrid]

same out nelson huh

[MeTarzan]

interesting....

[UTRacerX9]

It's been so long... I think the hype and all that started damn near 10 years ago with Nelson now. And still no record breaking times. It'll probably be 2022 before he actually makes it to a track and can join the 8 sec club... and by then, none of us will be around to care.

[Boomer3000]

Who brought this trash over here?

[ictponder]

That engine bay looks pretty behemoth though!

[arm0red1]

Give the guys at nelsons shop some credit, they put together a serious car thats seriously clean. Props to another 1k+ awhp 3s keeping the platform viable in high performance standings

[IPD]

i'm confused.

so he has it boosted at "only" 25 psi, yet he makes over 1000whp and can rev to 11k rpms? the high revs says to me that it's not a stroker; and the 1k whp with 25psi says "shiens". seriously, has anyone even come close to 1k whp on a 3.0L with less than 30psi?

[familyMAN]

It's a 6g74. He ran 9.18 at 18psi with the same setup he has now. His numbers are finally starting to catch up with his hype. He is running two massive turbos so the numbers are believable. One would be enough for a very fast car.

[IPD]

how does one get a 6g74 to 11k rpm redline? i would think at that speed, the piston acceleration would be liable to put a rod into low earth orbit.

[Keyan]

^ do you have any first hand knowledge about that, or are you just bench racing because "its a big motor" and "thats a really high redline" ?

Does anyone REALLY know what our motors rev to before the pistons break or the oil pump starts to cavitate?

[R/T93]

Nascars rev to 9500 twice a lap, what's so hard to believe that a motor 40% smaller can't rotate quicker? Its not like Nelson is just slapping shit together a la Steve68.
He has been developing this car for a decade.

[keo92stealth]

It's a 6g74. He ran 9.18 at 18psi with the same setup he has now. His numbers are finally starting to catch up with his hype. He is running two massive turbos so the numbers are believable. One would be enough for a very fast car.

Think twin 40r s. To even spool them bad boys up, that beast has to turn 11k to even have a good power band, but Nelson said it spools by 5k so that's 6k he's in his power band.

[J. Fast]

Sounds like a nasty car. Looking forward to seeing what more rpm fetch's him. It would be awesome if a low compression 6G could take it.

[IPD]

^ do you have any first hand knowledge about that, or are you just bench racing because "its a big motor" and "thats a really high redline" ?

Does anyone REALLY know what our motors rev to before the pistons break or the oil pump starts to cavitate?

i base that on what john monnin posted on wrenchmonkey.com in regards to the stroker vs. stock.

just because a nascar engine is bigger doesn't mean that it's less capable of revving. revving is a function of stroke. you can have a 1000 liter engine capable of 20k rpms, if you have a very short stroke.

[R/T93]

i base that on what john monnin posted on wrenchmonkey.com in regards to the stroker vs. stock.

just because a nascar engine is bigger doesn't mean that it's less capable of revving. revving is a function of stroke. you can have a 1000 liter engine capable of 20k rpms, if you have a very short stroke.

Pro stock motors turn 11k and are 500 ci with a 3.5-3.6 stroke. It's not impossible just an expensive, exacting engine build.

From the phone.

[markoverclock]

any one else wonder why he only has 6xx ft of torque, something is not right.

[familyMAN]

any one else wonder why he only has 6xx ft of torque, something is not right.

It's because he is making 600 tq to 9k rpm. Looks right to me and so is the math.

Two massive turbos that don't spool to 5-6k and hold forever. Of course, 600 tq at 5250 is only 600 hp but he is making it at 8-9k.

Not a good power band for a manual street car, but perfect for an auto drag car.

[keo92stealth]

This car has a ton left in it bet. I know the max he's pushed was 55 pounds and the car was only at 25 so yea lol. IM just tired of seeming him make runs at low boost so he says.

[DocWalt]

I think he meant that it revs to 9250 like a motorcycle revs to 11k. Still stupid lol

[93STLTH]

It's easy to see who's drinking the cool aid and who's not in this thread.

[MeTarzan]

I think he meant that it revs to 9250 like a motorcycle revs to 11k. Still stupid lol
its not unheard of and he does say the rev cut is at 11k

[Turbo Beast]

Even if he breaks the record, i still think he's a turd.

[keo92stealth]

Even if he breaks the record, i still think he's a turd.

I think he'll smash it but look at all the cash that his setup costs. Then look at Matts old setup. Big difference.

Hope he crushes Matt record so Matt can get off his ass, slap some 1400s on a Stroker and put the record to rest forever.

[Boomer3000]

Idk, won't believe it till I see it...... and well been to much hype for to damn long and no results... sorry but anybody can build a dyno queen.

[Turbo Beast]

Exactly, like boomer said, dyno queen. I have serious doubts Matt will put the race car back together, even if stinky the catpoop mustache would beat the record.

[92pearltt]

Ya Matt has made it pretty clear that he is not going to put his car back together. Nelsons power and track times are finally starting to align but we will see if he can actually pull it off.

[keo92stealth]

Guess Matt already proved his point.

[ictponder]

Building something like that would bring way more enjoyment to me as opposed to seeing how fast it goes.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I think he'll smash it but look at all the cash that his setup costs. Then look at Matts old setup. Big difference.

Hope he crushes Matt record so Matt can get off his ass, slap some 1400s on a Stroker and put the record to rest forever.

matt's setup was a lot more economical than Nelson's, but you still have to realize that matt had a large investment in that car. Hell when he broke his oil pump gears he lost like $4000 instantly.

[keo92stealth]

matt's setup was a lot more economical than Nelson's, but you still have to realize that matt had a large investment in that car. Hell when he broke his oil pump gears he lost like $4000 instantly.

Yes I can only imagine. The crank in that block was like what 5k??

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Yes I can only imagine. The crank in that block was like what 5k??

yes, it sure was.

[keo92stealth]

That's crazy lol. I just wished he pushed that car to it's full potential when it was together lol. Guess we will never know now. I think that beast could have ran low 8s.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

The bridge from mid eights to low eights is pretty long. It was more of a safety issue than anything. Having slicks on all 4 wheels of a car makes steering and braking at 170 not much fun.

I just wish he'd go out and race his dr750 car, but I think he has family obligations.

[keo92stealth]

The bridge from mid eights to low eights is pretty long. It was more of a safety issue than anything. Having slicks on all 4 wheels of a car makes steering and braking at 170 not much fun.

I just wish he'd go out and race his dr750 car, but I think he has family obligations.

He does seen like a huge family man which is cool. I don't think we have any track numbers yet for 750s or 700s yet??

[FeaRpb]

Once my build is done we will have some dr-750 track numbers for the US.

PermanentGrin has some dr-750 1/4 times if I remember right.

[Emilie@GZP]

I doubt this car will stay together long enough to break any sort of record. He'll pull it down for some reason or another, claiming a 7 second capable "street car" build is in the works, and we won't hear much from him until next summer. :lol:

[j2k4]

I doubt this car will stay together long enough to break any sort of record. He'll pull it down for some reason or another, claiming a 7 second capable "street car" build is in the works, and we won't hear much from him until next summer. :lol:

Yeah...whatever happened to that 1348 HP monster?

[Emilie@GZP]

Yeah...whatever happened to that 1348 HP monster?

my point exactly. :lol:

[AudibleSilence]

It's a 6g74. He ran 9.18 at 18psi with the same setup he has now. His numbers are finally starting to catch up with his hype. He is running two massive turbos so the numbers are believable. One would be enough for a very fast car.

At over 1000whp he should be faster than 9s..by a lot...

[Emilie@GZP]

At over 1000whp he should be faster than 9s..by a lot...

This is Nelson we're talking about... I'm surprised this thing broke 10's LOL

[HellBringer]

Hate on Nelson all you want, but everything about that car is 200% fucking badass. It's a shame there are so many sandy vag's and on-the-bandwagon haters out there that let his (often times intolerable) internet persona negate any respect that car and the work put into it might deserve.

[anyonebutme]

Hate on Nelson all you want, but everything about that car is 200% fucking badass. It's a shame there are so many sandy vag's and on-the-bandwagon haters out there that let his (often times intolerable) internet persona negate any respect that car and the work put into it might deserve.

I really don't hate on his car.....I hate on HIM. I can't even count how many times I've said that all he needs to do is shut up, have someone else do his "PR", and go play. Everyone hates on him because of the shit he spews out of his mouth, no other reason. I don't care if that car runs 12's, it's bad ass. Him spewing shit about the car running 7's for the past 6 years.........another story.

In person he's a totally different personality than once he sits behind a keyboard. That keyboard jockey is the Nelson everyone hates.

[Boomer3000]

I really don't hate on his car.....I hate on HIM. I can't even count how many times I've said that all he needs to do is shut up, have someone else do his "PR", and go play. Everyone hates on him because of the shit he spews out of his mouth, no other reason. I don't care if that car runs 12's, it's bad ass. Him spewing shit about the car running 7's for the past 6 years.........another story.

In person he's a totally different personality than once he sits behind a keyboard. That keyboard jockey is the Nelson everyone hates.


Thank you.

Not to mention the guy rips on everyone else with his ego. I can't say how many people's threads I have seen derailed because he came into them butt hurt and lashing. Saying that they will never do what he has done, that they will never be as fast or have as high of a horsepower car as him. THAT is why his catches soooo much shit. I think the car in its self is freaking amazing. 1300+ horse thats insanely badass. The work that goes into even more dedication. BUT its all negated by the shit that he spits.

[Emilie@GZP]

His cars and builds are badass, but they never actually do anything overly impressive for what they are and what is in them and how much he rants and raves about them. He's an immature prick who talks so much trash on everyone else, and never lives up to his own claims.

sorry if I'm swinging from his nuts.

[Amphiron]

Out of respect for the platform I refuse to bash anyone that is pushing or making a very good effort of pushing the limits of our cars. Nelson has some great ideas and a great car however he lacks driver mods. I think his car could run in the 8's easy with a set.

[Blackmount]

Oh look i has dsmtuners membership... oh look its nelson..... but he doesnt have a dsm.....prob never owned one... *trolls*

[j2k4]

Hate on Nelson all you want, but everything about that car is 200% fucking badass. It's a shame there are so many sandy vag's and on-the-bandwagon haters out there that let his (often times intolerable) internet persona negate any respect that car and the work put into it might deserve.

Ain't hating on Nelson to ask what happened to the car.

I don't know him apart from watching some of his action on the boards; I've read a hell of a lot on his builds and I can't say he doesn't spend his money wisely, either.

It's just that pesky math - in the end, it should add up to more than it ever seems to, you know? :wink:

[Blackmount]

I hate on him because he acts like hes the lord jesus christ, and talks down to people alot

[J. Fast]

Still scratching my head as to why all these brilliant guys have been vanquishing the motor for all these years instead of the chassi. Bracket drag racing has always been power to weight. Somewhere in the 3.5hp per lb of weight and you're fetching 8's. 4.5hp per lb of weight and your teetering the 9's. Why are guys throwing 20 grand in just the engine and turbos when you can mod and rework a chassi for 5 and build a bitchin motor for 10?


fuck it....whatever

[R/T93]

Dude, people put 20 grand into their motors and then leave stock suspension and brakes...... This platform just does it differently than everyone else, it seems.

[familyMAN]

At over 1000whp he should be faster than 9s..by a lot...

Not sure why you are quoting me. He ran 9.18 at 18psi. The 1000awhp comes from 25psi. I'm not a Nelson nut swinger just posting the results/facts (based on Nelson's postings so take it with a grain of salt if you wish). The 9.18 was at much less than 1000awhp. He currently has a great setup; hope he sticks with it and openly shares some experience and knowledge.

[keo92stealth]

Not sure why you are quoting me. He ran 9.18 at 18psi. The 1000awhp comes from 25psi. I'm not a Nelson nut swinger just posting the results/facts (based on Nelson's postings so take it with a grain of salt if you wish). The 9.18 was at much less than 1000awhp. He currently has a great setup; hope he sticks with it and openly shares some experience and knowledge.

Yes hope he shares his goodies and lower his prices on his parts because good lord his stuff ain't cheap.

[keo92stealth]

Dude, people put 20 grand into their motors and then leave stock suspension and brakes...... This platform just does it differently than everyone else, it seems.

Megans and k sports are cheap and so are upgraded rotors and brake pads lol

[keo92stealth]

Still scratching my head as to why all these brilliant guys have been vanquishing the motor for all these years instead of the chassi. Bracket drag racing has always been power to weight. Somewhere in the 3.5hp per lb of weight and you're fetching 8's. 4.5hp per lb of weight and your teetering the 9's. Why are guys throwing 20 grand in just the engine and turbos when you can mod and rework a chassi for 5 and build a bitchin motor for 10?


fuck it....whatever

Lol true I have to agree. But I know damn well your motor was more than 10 hehe. And once people start making weight reduction shit for our frame and chassis its game on. I know nelson would make you one for the right price.

[Erron Spalsbury]

Megans and k sports are cheap and so are upgraded rotors and brake pads lol


But ego's aren't. Nor are nerves, skill, and precision. It's just easier to hit the 'go' button. :)

[keo92stealth]

But ego's aren't. Nor are nerves, skill, and precision. It's just easier to hit the 'go' button. :)

I have to do more searching for old threads to really see how much of ass he is if he is one. I never had problems with him but a lot of others sure have for sure lol.

[Turbo Beast]

There aint nobody hating on Nelson but me, i almost got a ban for it

[Erron Spalsbury]

I have to do more searching for old threads to really see how much of ass he is if he is one. I never had problems with him but a lot of others sure have for sure lol.

I didn't mean it toward Nelson, I just meant in general.

[TurboSinceBirth]

A built auto and tubular front/rear subframes would make for an awesome track setup. I'm not running a race car though. I would much rather invest in upgraded diffs and suspension before I considered tubular subframes. If someone would make a group buy for them come to fruition which some actual results and at least a few people running them I would probably start saving up for a set.

[11secondFWD]

Oh look i has dsmtuners membership... oh look its nelson..... but he doesnt have a dsm.....prob never owned one... *trolls*

He isnt on there because he wants, owns or ever had a DSM. He is on there because the last 2 years the drag racing scene in the DSM world has been DOMINATED by AUTOs. So he has been trying to get all the inside info and tips and everything else so he can make a fast auto so he can break the record because he cant drive a stick well enough. Also, it is much easier on the drivetrain and you dont need to do as much. I was in that world the last two years full on and seen what my auto dsm could do with 3k into it (10.6 pass). So it is legit. The autos are the best. I have seen him posting there and asking questions for some time. And I have been dreaming of the day he finally puts it all together and shows up at the shootout and shows the DSM/EVO crowd that the 3S is the BEST.

[IPD]

He isnt on there because he wants, owns or ever had a DSM. He is on there because the last 2 years the drag racing scene in the DSM world has been DOMINATED by AUTOs. So he has been trying to get all the inside info and tips and everything else so he can make a fast auto so he can break the record because he cant drive a stick well enough. Also, it is much easier on the drivetrain and you dont need to do as much. I was in that world the last two years full on and seen what my auto dsm could do with 3k into it (10.6 pass). So it is legit. The autos are the best. I have seen him posting there and asking questions for some time. And I have been dreaming of the day he finally puts it all together and shows up at the shootout and shows the DSM/EVO crowd that the 3S is the BEST.

plus the fact that you avoid missing shifts and doing 6k+ worth of damage to your car inadvertently.

[J. Fast]

He isnt on there because he wants, owns or ever had a DSM. He is on there because the last 2 years the drag racing scene in the DSM world has been DOMINATED by AUTOs. So he has been trying to get all the inside info and tips and everything else so he can make a fast auto so he can break the record because he cant drive a stick well enough. Also, it is much easier on the drivetrain and you dont need to do as much. I was in that world the last two years full on and seen what my auto dsm could do with 3k into it (10.6 pass). So it is legit. The autos are the best. I have seen him posting there and asking questions for some time. And I have been dreaming of the day he finally puts it all together and shows up at the shootout and shows the DSM/EVO crowd that the 3S is the BEST.

Since he's getting advice from the DSM community regarding going fast maybe he should take a look at this Lucas English racecar chassi.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/LucasEnglish/P1220032.jpg

English strips the chassi down to the outer skin and just rocks a cage. Nelson could trim some serious fat if he did the same thing.

To get even remotely close to breaking the record I'd suspect Nelson would likely be forced to modify his chassi further to cut more weight. I know for certain there's 500+ pounds of additional weight on Nelsons car right now. He could drop the weight if he skinned it. The problem is, he'd have to strip his current car down, pull the lexan, and cut his cage out to do it. Ofcourse, there's always that option to aquire a new chassi and transfer everything over. IMO starting over with a new chassi and simply transferrring over his subframes, engine, drivetrain, fuel setup, and etc would likely be the cheapest & fastest option and his best chance at success.

[IPD]

even if he did, we'd hear that he was planning on doing it about 10 years before it actually happened.

nelson has the dubious distinction of single-handedly chruning out more hype than MS did for the halo 3 launch.

[Emilie@GZP]

Since he's getting advice from the DSM community regarding going fast maybe he should take a look at this Lucas English racecar chassi.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/LucasEnglish/P1220032.jpg

English strips the chassi down to the outer skin and just rocks a cage. Nelson could trim some serious fat if he did the same thing.

To get even remotely close to breaking the record I'd suspect Nelson would likely be forced to modify his chassi further to cut more weight. I know for certain there's 500+ pounds of additional weight on Nelsons car right now. He could drop the weight if he skinned it. The problem is, he'd have to strip his current car down, pull the lexan, and cut his cage out to do it. Ofcourse, there's always that option to aquire a new chassi and transfer everything over. IMO starting over with a new chassi and simply transferrring over his subframes, engine, drivetrain, fuel setup, and etc would likely be the cheapest & fastest option and his best chance at success.


But he's a STREET CAR :lol:

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Since he's getting advice from the DSM community regarding going fast maybe he should take a look at this Lucas English racecar chassi.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/LucasEnglish/P1220032.jpg

English strips the chassi down to the outer skin and just rocks a cage. Nelson could trim some serious fat if he did the same thing.

To get even remotely close to breaking the record I'd suspect Nelson would likely be forced to modify his chassi further to cut more weight. I know for certain there's 500+ pounds of additional weight on Nelsons car right now. He could drop the weight if he skinned it. The problem is, he'd have to strip his current car down, pull the lexan, and cut his cage out to do it. Ofcourse, there's always that option to aquire a new chassi and transfer everything over. IMO starting over with a new chassi and simply transferrring over his subframes, engine, drivetrain, fuel setup, and etc would likely be the cheapest & fastest option and his best chance at success.

I never understood the point of seeing how fast a roll cage could go down the track.

[Broomfield Racing]

I never understood the point of seeing how fast a roll cage could go down the track.

Some people just want to go fast and don't care about what they have to remove to go even faster. I feel the same way, I'd ride a lawn mower down the track if it was fast and still had safety equipment. My car will be gutted as well some day.

[anyonebutme]

I never understood the point of seeing how fast a roll cage could go down the track.

Because some of us don't want to die seeing how fast a couch and stereo system goes down the track.

[J. Fast]

Because some of us don't want to die seeing how fast a couch and stereo system goes down the track.

It's a love seat, get it right. :lo5l:

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Because some of us don't want to die seeing how fast a couch and stereo system goes down the track.

some of us just like a fast car and want a way to measure improvements.

[anyonebutme]

some of us just like a fast car and want a way to measure improvements.

hense the cages. some people's idea if "fast" requires a cage to even be allowed onto a drag strip.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

gee I don't mind cages, I just wouldn't own a car that was more cage than the original chassis. You may as well build a funny car then.

[IPD]

gee I don't mind cages, I just wouldn't own a car that was more cage than the original chassis. You may as well build a funny car then.

troof.

it's like how stupid nascar is.

[11secondFWD]

The lucas english camp are crazy with weight reduction. My talon ran 10.6 with 16g and weighed 2400 without me and I never had a roll cage. He ran 9.9 with the same turbo. I looked at his car thouroughly at the shootout to see how he was so much lighter than me. I by the way drove my car on the street daily. I first noticed that he had NO rear brakes. No calipers, no rotors, no pads, no lines ect. It was a welded center diff so all he needed were the front brakes to stop all 4 wheels when power braking/spoolin for the launch. Then the whole interior was plama cut out. Then I look in the rear and the whole frame was cut out. The entire frame that looks like a rectangle and is the main component was gone. He just had a 1 gal fuel cell in engine bay. He weighed less than me (2400 w/o driver) when he had a roll cage in the car and a driver.

[MeTarzan]

thats not really too bad our shop 2G dsm sits at just over 2200 pounds with not really much other than stripped interior, no frame cutting or anything other than the doors and the spare tire well.

[vr4tune]

Since he's getting advice from the DSM community regarding going fast maybe he should take a look at this Lucas English racecar chassi.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/LucasEnglish/P1220032.jpg

English strips the chassi down to the outer skin and just rocks a cage. Nelson could trim some serious fat if he did the same thing.

To get even remotely close to breaking the record I'd suspect Nelson would likely be forced to modify his chassi further to cut more weight. I know for certain there's 500+ pounds of additional weight on Nelsons car right now. He could drop the weight if he skinned it. The problem is, he'd have to strip his current car down, pull the lexan, and cut his cage out to do it. Ofcourse, there's always that option to aquire a new chassi and transfer everything over. IMO starting over with a new chassi and simply transferrring over his subframes, engine, drivetrain, fuel setup, and etc would likely be the cheapest & fastest option and his best chance at success.





That's Jeff bush's car he works for lucas. I saw that car today when I dropped my car off for some more tunning adjustments. Jeff is the reason Nelson has his automatic. As I understand it Nelson flew Jeff and Lucas out to help him set up the auto that was build here in Portland Oregon. Nelson and Jeff talk often from what I understand.

Side note: Jeff's car make near 900whp through his auto but with a manual it's close to 1200whp so if Nelson is making near 1100whp what would it be through a manual?

[IPD]

That's Jeff bush's car he works for lucas. I saw that car today when I dropped my car off for some more tunning adjustments. Jeff is the reason Nelson has his automatic. As I understand it Nelson flew Jeff and Lucas out to help him set up the auto that was build here in Portland Oregon. Nelson and Jeff talk often from what I understand.

Side note: Jeff's car make near 900whp through his auto but with a manual it's close to 1200whp so if Nelson is making near 1100whp what would it be through a manual?

300whp drivetrain loss from atx vs mtx? that's 1/4 loss just by switching transmissions. i have a very hard time believing that. maybe 1/4 vs. crank hp, but not mtx to atx.

[J. Fast]

That's Jeff bush's car he works for lucas. I saw that car today when I dropped my car off for some more tunning adjustments. Jeff is the reason Nelson has his automatic. As I understand it Nelson flew Jeff and Lucas out to help him set up the auto that was build here in Portland Oregon. Nelson and Jeff talk often from what I understand.

Side note: Jeff's car make near 900whp through his auto but with a manual it's close to 1200whp so if Nelson is making near 1100whp what would it be through a manual?

Yep yep... thats the word on the street around here. Take your manual DSM or Mitsu car to Lucas on Monday, hand him the keys, and pick it up automatin and dyno'd on Friday.

One of my crew members Marcus has a 1000awhp 2G. He dropped in an English auto trans and is running 9.2 here in Denver. My other buddy Hal has been talking about going back to Oregon and swapping his Shep box out for the auto aswell.

Another thing he's also doing is adapting 3000gt rear diff's to DSM's.

Maybe Lucas gave him some pointers about going fast when he was out there. Lucas is the fastest in the world so I'm sure he paid attention. It's funny to hear that he went to Lucas. I had absolutely no idea that's who built his gearbox, but that's where I'd look if I wanted an 8 second car.

With English in his corner now, 8 second passes are certainly only a matter of time.

[vr4tune]

Yep yep... thats the word on the street around here. Take your manual DSM or Mitsu car to Lucas on Monday, hand him the keys, and pick it up automatin and dyno'd on Friday.

One of my crew members Marcus has a 1000awhp 2G. He dropped in an English auto trans and is running 9.2 here in Denver. My other buddy Hal has been talking about going back to Oregon and swapping his Shep box out for the auto aswell.

Another thing he's also doing is adapting 3000gt rear diff's to DSM's.

Maybe Lucas gave him some pointers about going fast when he was out there. Lucas is the fastest in the world so I'm sure he paid attention. It's funny to hear that he went to Lucas. I had absolutely no idea that's who built his gearbox, but that's where I'd look if I wanted an 8 second car.

With English in his corner now, 8 second passes are certainly only a matter of time.

This is true! Jeff used my 5 speed rear (soon to be installed with new j spec 6 speed) to dyno with a manual trans. From what I know the five speed rear drops right in the dsm.

[HellBringer]

I never understood the point of seeing how fast a roll cage could go down the track.

I assume you realize that roll cages perform a specific function, and are required for those doing legitimate class racing...? Many tracks tracks require you pass a full tech inspection w/ compliant cage, etc... for your ET/MPH even for public test & tune. A 6pt cage, which is 'legally' only good down to 10.0 ET and/or 135MPH, is tough to do with much of the interior in place. Quicker/faster down to 8.5 ET and/or 150MPH requires a 10pt cage which means you will be driving a tin can and monkey bars to be in spec. Some people value the ability to pass tech, and more importantly their safety....




300whp drivetrain loss from atx vs mtx? that's 1/4 loss just by switching transmissions. i have a very hard time believing that. maybe 1/4 vs. crank hp, but not mtx to atx.


You can't compare 'drivetrain losses' between a consumer-grade automatic and a race-spec auto with a loose stall converter designed to the keep the engine in the powerband through 2 or 3 gears. Comparing dyno numbers between a manual box and a loosely-stalled auto is apples to moon pies....

[CoopKill]

Yep yep... thats the word on the street around here. Take your manual DSM or Mitsu car to Lucas on Monday, hand him the keys, and pick it up automatin and dyno'd on Friday.

One of my crew members Marcus has a 1000awhp 2G. He dropped in an English auto trans and is running 9.2 here in Denver. My other buddy Hal has been talking about going back to Oregon and swapping his Shep box out for the auto aswell.

Another thing he's also doing is adapting 3000gt rear diff's to DSM's.

Maybe Lucas gave him some pointers about going fast when he was out there. Lucas is the fastest in the world so I'm sure he paid attention. It's funny to hear that he went to Lucas. I had absolutely no idea that's who built his gearbox, but that's where I'd look if I wanted an 8 second car.

With English in his corner now, 8 second passes are certainly only a matter of time.

My drive shaft ended up in his hands, and scavenged into that car. He got tired of busting axles, and started using 3s parts. Even with how light that thing is, and with an auto, he still snaps axles like twigs off the line. It's scary to watch...

[RealMcCoy]

You can't compare 'drivetrain losses' between a consumer-grade automatic and a race-spec auto with a loose stall converter designed to the keep the engine in the powerband through 2 or 3 gears. Comparing dyno numbers between a manual box and a loosely-stalled auto is apples to moon pies....

Not to mention, there are MANY big name and very popular converter builders out there that couldn't build an efficient, properly clearanced converter to save their lives... Instead of getting the stall speed with properly designed fin angles, getting full torque multiplication at stall, and a tight hook-up at high RPM, they just build them "loose"...

Can't count the number of big brand name converters I've pulled out of bracket cars and replaced with purpose built custom converters, and instantly gained 3 tenths, and 3 MPH...

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I assume you realize that roll cages perform a specific function, and are required for those doing legitimate class racing...? Many tracks tracks require you pass a full tech inspection w/ compliant cage, etc... for your ET/MPH even for public test & tune. A 6pt cage, which is 'legally' only good down to 10.0 ET and/or 135MPH, is tough to do with much of the interior in place. Quicker/faster down to 8.5 ET and/or 150MPH requires a 10pt cage which means you will be driving a tin can and monkey bars to be in spec. Some people value the ability to pass tech, and more importantly their safety....






You can't compare 'drivetrain losses' between a consumer-grade automatic and a race-spec auto with a loose stall converter designed to the keep the engine in the powerband through 2 or 3 gears. Comparing dyno numbers between a manual box and a loosely-stalled auto is apples to moon pies....

oh Jesus, you guys are taking what I said completely out of context. j.fast talks about cutting out all the inner layers of sheet metal and just having enough of the car to bolt/weld to the cage. In my mind that is not a car anymore. That's all.

[MeTarzan]

Another thing he's also doing is adapting 3000gt rear diff's to DSM's.
they have actually been putting the 3s rearends in for a while mainly because our design doesnt use bearing caps...but the fastest cars out there run our shop's billet diff covers.

[J. Fast]

oh Jesus, you guys are taking what I said completely out of context. j.fast talks about cutting out all the inner layers of sheet metal and just having enough of the car to bolt/weld to the cage. In my mind that is not a car anymore. That's all.

What's the difference between a gutted car, and an even more gutted car? The R & D. Not one single person besides myself in our community has ever destructive tested and evaluated what panels could be removed on a 3/S without compromizing the trueness of the frame. Now that we know it can be done with great care and attention paid those that pushed the envelope previously look back and say... damn, I'd have to gut my car again and cut my cage out because we overlooked that, we never explored the chassi, it was always the engine. The difference on a gutted car and an even more gutted car is not paying close enough attention to the fundamental rule of racing, power vs. weight. When you hit the point of POWER giving diminishing returns, you look to weight. There's true intelligence in skinning a car, in actuality it's quite genius because it costs noting, it's free. Had it been done 10 years ago and was the norm I think your current opinion might be different.

Let's put this in to real retrospect now K. Say Chris Hill's street car is 850at the wheel. How much does he have vested in the engine and fuel setup? K, now what happens if you take all that and drop it into a 1400lb rolling raceready chassi? The end result is a 2200lb 850whp racecar. You're right, that's not a car anymore. It's a 150ft/sec rocket.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

What's the difference between a gutted car, and an even more gutted car? The R & D. Not one single person besides myself in our community has ever destructive tested and evaluated what panels could be removed on a 3/S without compromizing the trueness of the frame. Now that we know it can be done with great care and attention paid those that pushed the envelope previously look back and say... damn, I'd have to gut my car again and cut my cage out because we overlooked that, we never explored the chassi, it was always the engine. The difference on a gutted car and an even more gutted car is not paying close enough attention to the fundamental rule of racing, power vs. weight. When you hit the point of POWER giving diminishing returns, you look to weight. There's true intelligence in skinning a car, in actuality it's quite genius because it costs noting, it's free. Had it been done 10 years ago and was the norm I think your current opinion might be different.

Let's put this in to real retrospect now K. Say Chris Hill's street car is 850at the wheel. How much does he have vested in the engine and fuel setup? K, now what happens if you take all that and drop it into a 1400lb rolling raceready chassi? The end result is a 2200lb 850whp racecar. You're right, that's not a car anymore. It's a 150ft/sec rocket.

Who gives a shit? It proves nothing. If I put a thousand horse 6G72 in a shopping cart and go 8.0 it doesn't prove anything.

Rays car means a lot more to me. If you feel different great. Go produce a timeslip and enjoy.

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[keo92stealth]

I've never really read a thread that explained how to really gutt a 3s. J fast Your other thread was a great one because you showed how much metal u removed from just in the car. But you didn't show where it come from hehe .

[keo92stealth]

Who gives a shit? It proves nothing. If I put a thousand horse 6G72 in a shopping cart and go 8.0 it doesn't prove anything.

Rays car means a lot more to me. If you feel different great. Go produce a timeslip and enjoy.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
Rays car ?? THE RED ONE?

[R/T93]

What's the difference between a gutted car, and an even more gutted car? The R & D. Not one single person besides myself in our community has ever destructive tested and evaluated what panels could be removed on a 3/S without compromizing the trueness of the frame. Now that we know it can be done with great care and attention paid those that pushed the envelope previously look back and say... damn, I'd have to gut my car again and cut my cage out because we overlooked that, we never explored the chassi, it was always the engine. The difference on a gutted car and an even more gutted car is not paying close enough attention to the fundamental rule of racing, power vs. weight. When you hit the point of POWER giving diminishing returns, you look to weight. There's true intelligence in skinning a car, in actuality it's quite genius because it costs noting, it's free. Had it been done 10 years ago and was the norm I think your current opinion might be different.

Let's put this in to real retrospect now K. Say Chris Hill's street car is 850at the wheel. How much does he have vested in the engine and fuel setup? K, now what happens if you take all that and drop it into a 1400lb rolling raceready chassi? The end result is a 2200lb 850whp racecar. You're right, that's not a car anymore. It's a 150ft/sec rocket.

You are a me monster.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiUsfEkVRDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Rays car ?? THE RED ONE?

The camaleon car. Love chris hills car too. Any fast streetish car.

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[keo92stealth]

The camaleon car. Love chris hills car too. Any fast streetish car.

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Did he sell that car or just the motor in shit that was in it?

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

sold the car afaik

[jerrid]

looks like nelson did it again he told them to f off and he not racing now, sounds like same old nelson

[J. Fast]

Told who? Lucas?

[familyMAN]

Told who? Lucas?

Told dsm'ers on dsmtuners.

You should read his latest posts on dsmtuners. Sounds like a kid that cries and takes his toys home. Hilarious:)

[Blackmount]

*Takes bow* u r welcome.

Best quotes:


3si Clean-Up... come get your village idiot.


I was sticking up for you on page one but your starting to sound like an ass just like the people that are hating on you. They stated something and you proved them correct about how you hate. You flaunt your going to the shootout and then you flake out due to 3 people stating their opinions against you and not really talking smack but stating why the 3si guys dont like you as a majority. I officially apologize to the guy i called a doucebag on page one since he might have had valid points but didnt explain himself. Great job keeping it on subject and proving people wrong bud. You still have an awesome car and props for that but with the personality that you have as was explained by another member its no surprise why your posting on these forums and no surprise that you changed your mind about the shootout. A hater deserves to be hated on as well and im definately not hating on your car but your noob responses to other peoples opinions. Thanks for the space...

Quoting me


These are my thoughts exactly, this car is sick there is no denying that, but there is a reason Nelson is hated on the 3S forums hence why he posts on here.

And who ever said online reputations are stupid is 100% correct, but when somebody calls black people on forums the N word and spews racist shit, I cant imagine the type of person they are in real life. Nelson earned his negative reputation for a reason, people on the 3S forums don't just hate Nelson for no reason. Their are guys on those forums that have done way sicker shit than nelson that the members of 3S forums greet with open arms, guys like Matt Monet, Ray Pampena, Chris Hill, those people have pushed the 3S platform FARRRRR and guess what? Nelson has talked shit on everysingle one of them in some of his threads in the past. Just some history for the DSMers who don't know whats going on on the other side of the fence


Nelson, wheres the 8? Guys over at 3si have been giving you a hard time since you said you would run a 8 in like 2006.. chop chop broski



im tire of this shit , im out of this thread and forum so i hope yoy guys are happy now.

so i don't have a dms and don't have to be here according to you guys so have fun with your cars . love dsms , one day i will built one and come back.
Thanks for your time and interest.
I'm even sponsoring the dyno king n/a dsm at shoot out just to show you how much i love those cars and up for events like that but oh well...

NBF

[IPD]

so long story short, he's still a little bitch with way too much money--just like everyone (myself included) keeps calling him...even though it means we get derided by what few remaining nutswingers he has here.

besides calling big mike the n-word & creating more hype than daikatana & duke nukem forever COMBINED...let's also remember some of the other reasons we hate nelson:

-like passing off Ray P's work as his own

[vroom4]

to be fair, i think most people who have been in an argument with mike at one point or another would have liked to call him a few words.

[j2k4]

to be fair, i think most people who have been in an argument with mike at one point or another would have liked to call him a few words.

Yes, Mike can be provocative.

Lord knows he tried like a MF to get me to say something out-of-line. :rolleyes:

[AdamVR4]

Still scratching my head as to why all these brilliant guys have been vanquishing the motor for all these years instead of the chassi. Bracket drag racing has always been power to weight. Somewhere in the 3.5hp per lb of weight and you're fetching 8's. 4.5hp per lb of weight and your teetering the 9's. Why are guys throwing 20 grand in just the engine and turbos when you can mod and rework a chassi for 5 and build a bitchin motor for 10?


fuck it....whatever

I guess I'm the only person that actually thought about the numbers in this post? Your units are backwards, brah ;)

[IPD]

Yes, Mike can be provocative.

Lord knows he tried like a MF to get me to say something out-of-line. :rolleyes:

mike? nah. mike's a nice guy compared to brian. :suspect:

[j2k4]

Yes, Mike can be provocative.

Lord knows he tried like a MF to get me to say something out-of-line. :rolleyes:


mike? nah. mike's a nice guy compared to brian. :suspect:

He's a nice guy compared to you, too. :p

[J. Fast]

I guess I'm the only person that actually thought about the numbers in this post? Your units are backwards, brah ;)

Hehe, sometimes brain and fingers dont get along. Glad you knew what I meant... Thanks for lookin out for me brah! :)


Quick question. Why does Nelson not comment on this board? Did I miss a meltdown or something?

[Boomer3000]

Um, cause he isn't allowed over here.... Better off that way

[Blackmount]

Because no one here likes him

[J. Fast]

LOL... Nelson called my crew out and got his answer...


I know,
I'm just happy that I have the most powerful awd atx in the planet:)

NBF


Looks about as fast as one of my crews, Marcus Carters, DSM. Low 9's doesn't sound like the most powerful AWD on the planet Nelson. Sounds like atleast 3rd or fourth... Atleast you have an English gearbox... :cool:


No, i don't have English Racing gear box in it, i built my own transmissions don't talk what you don't know.
For the record is the most powerful awd atx with 1074awhp. Try to get close to it and then we can talk. I let you know that i already dynoed 1300awhp with the auto but just not a clean dyno chart due to crazy tire spin.
Tell "your crew'' marcus carters to show at shoot out to race .


NBF


Hi Nelson, this is Marcus. Don't know much about you but, i did read your thread, pretty cool car true enough. i don't come on the forums often for these very reasons. Now as far as the shootout, i will be there if you qualify in quick with us, maybe you will get to run with us. I won't return the kind justers you said on my behalf. good luck at the shootout and the rest of your season.

This is going to be great... Last year Marcus was running 9.3 and has since turned the wick way up. I think he's aiming for mid 8's at the shootout since it's not at elevation. Nelson was runnin his trap and now he's gonna get bitch slapped...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVQy_-FCE1A

[Boomer3000]

Yea , typical Nelson running his mouth.

[Blackmount]

Love it... why the hell is he running in shoot out anyways? He doesnt have a Talon/Eclipse/Laser or anything 4G63 powered.

[CoreyB]

As far as I know, Nelson is allowed here. He just choose's not to be here for some reason.

[Alan92RTTT]

Nelson is not banned here. But we don't nutswing like the the 3si noobs do ;)

[J. Fast]

Love it... why the hell is he running in shoot out anyways? He doesnt have a Talon/Eclipse/Laser or anything 4G63 powered.

Because that's where his competition is. That's where the fastest mitsubishi cars in the world are. That's where independents need to be to get the knowledge and experience to build and race the worlds fastest Mitsubishi's.

That's where everyone on this list is going to be...

DSMTimes.org - Home (http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?Header_Type=AWD&Page=1)

Only person dragracing a 3/S anymore is Nelson. Since he's all by himself, he deserves the right to talk smack about no one racing. However, he doesn't deserve to say he has the "fastest and most powerful" mitsu on the block.

[IPD]

99% certain he doesn't have the fastest awd atx on the planet anyways. i'm sure someone with a diablo and WAYYYY too much money has locked that title up.

it's great to do what it does...but with nothing more than dyno-queen videos, i'm not convinced. who knows how much BS correction he's throwing into the mix? we don't have any timeslips to back it up definitively. he's a notoriously shitty driver, so lord only knows how capable his car actually is. furthermore, he's remiss to provide details of what exactly he has done to the atx that somehow allows it to have broken chris' old record by over half a second. chris was frying the end-clutch on a religious basis in the high 800whp range. this means one of two things:

1. nelson is lying (which i expect)

2. nelson has devised something monumentally innovative, and is playing "i've got a secret" from the entire community.

if #2 is the case, i hate him with every bone in my body.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

he's not shifting into 4th man.

[Blackmount]

Not going to lie. Hes got along way to go to be with the fastest 4G63 cars... with tons in the 9s many of them in the 8s, some in the 7s and one in the 6s.

He is with the mild group over there.

[IPD]

he's not shifting into 4th man.

so he's doing 160mph+ passes with only 3 gears? i mean, yes he's got a higher redline...but come the fuck on. stock gearing couldn't do it--and if he's spread out the gearing further than stock, he's not going to accelerate fast enough to be breaking any records. powerband is already so peaky that any 3-speed spread out over that much RPM's is not going to be taking home medals. that's my $.02

[R/T93]

so he's doing 160mph+ passes with only 3 gears? i mean, yes he's got a higher redline...but come the fuck on. stock gearing couldn't do it--and if he's spread out the gearing further than stock, he's not going to accelerate fast enough to be breaking any records. powerband is already so peaky that any 3-speed spread out over that much RPM's is not going to be taking home medals. that's my $.02

Watch the videos and see for yourself, car shifts twice.

From the phone.

[CoreyB]

I see no reason why a light 3s with gobs of power cant run a high gear ratio.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

so he's doing 160mph+ passes with only 3 gears? i mean, yes he's got a higher redline...but come the fuck on. stock gearing couldn't do it--and if he's spread out the gearing further than stock, he's not going to accelerate fast enough to be breaking any records. powerband is already so peaky that any 3-speed spread out over that much RPM's is not going to be taking home medals. that's my $.02

I guess you have never watched any real drag racing? Many of the fast autos are 2 speed powerglides.

[j2k4]

I guess you have never watched any real drag racing? Many of the fast autos are 2 speed powerglides.

And it's been that way for many (many) moons.

[R/T93]

Top fuel go 320 with one gear....

[j2k4]

Top fuel go 320 with one gear....

Yup - the trans is made of rubber. :p

[darkkiller]

I think the best way to tell when nelson is lying is when his grammar gets REALLY REALLY bad, has anybody else noticed that?

And nelson isn't racing in any class, not even considering the fact that he wont qualify but the rules for the Q16 class already disqualify his car, before it even makes a pass. I really don't expect nelson to read/interpret the rules, guy can't even type 1 coherent sentence behind a keyboard let alone interpret the english language.


QUICK 16 (Q16)-Sponsored by Kiggly Racing
-Qualifying at 7pm Saturday, Sunday at 10 am and 12 pm.
-Heads up. Anything goes as long as it is 4G63/4G64 powered. NO tube chassis cars. You MUST qualify at one of the qualifying times to get on the ladder.
-On your windshield you will put in large print, Q16 followed by the number from your tech card. This is your class/car number for the day.
-Any one who doesn't qualify can can move to another class their car is LEGAL to run in.

Only class he can enter is Test and Tune.

[Keyan]

every time he does mitsubishi day at englishtown he goes as "exhibition" and he runs alone

[keo92stealth]

He still has the high hp 3s? But the doesn't mean shit. he always claims his runs are low boost which i can somewhat believe . Man just run the car all out. You either break the record or break the car.but as much money he has in the car I'm sure he can fix t within a few days .

[MeTarzan]

It would have been nice to actually see him put up for a change instead of just running his mouth, even if he could have raced in the Q16 with the numbers the guys are posting this year the cut off is probably gonna be around 8.80 but with I'm sure the winner is gonna be laying down 8.25-8.30's


he's not shifting into 4th man.
you do realize the dyno run was a 2nd gear roll to start and a stock dsm 5 speed will do about 135mph in 3rd and 208mph in 4th



one in the 6s.
there's at least 2....Brent Rau's old car and Tony Niemczyk's dragster

[Blackmount]

Wow theres 2 now? Incredible

[DocWalt]

It would have been nice to actually see him put up for a change instead of just running his mouth, even if he could have raced in the Q16 with the numbers the guys are posting this year the cut off is probably gonna be around 8.80 but with I'm sure the winner is gonna be laying down 8.25-8.30's


you do realize the dyno run was a 2nd gear roll to start and a stock dsm 5 speed will do about 135mph in 3rd and 208mph in 4th



there's at least 2....Brent Rau's old car and Tony Niemczyk's dragster

That thing is f'ing nuts. The turbo is bigger than my head lol

[J. Fast]

It would have been nice to actually see him put up for a change instead of just running his mouth, even if he could have raced in the Q16 with the numbers the guys are posting this year the cut off is probably gonna be around 8.80 but with I'm sure the winner is gonna be laying down 8.25-8.30's


you do realize the dyno run was a 2nd gear roll to start and a stock dsm 5 speed will do about 135mph in 3rd and 208mph in 4th



there's at least 2....Brent Rau's old car and Tony Niemczyk's dragster

The DSM heavy hitters are making an exception to the rules for Nelson. Nelson will be allowed to run to see if he can hang with the big boys and lay down 8's.

For the record, there's 3 DSM's running 6's.

Nelson is in the top 50 with his latest 9 sec pass. He would be number 49 on the updated list. Matt Monet would be 24th

Curently, there's over 40 mitsu's that have ran 8 sec's or less. This list is quite outated but this is the combined AWD and TT mitsu list. It needs to be updated still. As you can see Monet and a few other's aren't on the list:

Left to right it reads: Overall Position, Driver, 1/4 time, 1/4 trap, 1/8th time, 1/8th trap, 60'


#1 Tony Niemczyk 6.840 195.76 4.366 161.11 1.065 BW 76mm S400SX3 No Extreme PSI / turbo4.com NABR
#2 Brent Rau 6.970 198.00 0.000 0.00 0.000 81 mm borg warner No ACT, osofastracing.com NABR
#3 Bob Niemczyk 6.978 190.38 4.431 157.23 1.076 BW 74mm No Turbo4 (http://turbo4.com) NABR
#4 Albert Lioe-a-tjam 7.660 175.04 4.880 142.47 1.118 GT45R Yes Buschur Racing
#5 John Shepherd 7.700 191.32 5.104 148.07 1.296 FP GT42R Yes Shepracing.com, FP, ACT, Polk, AMS, Busc NABR
#6 Ryan Garcia 7.797 174.41 4.964 140.66 1.159 T 72P Yes SKF/ United Auto & Performance Ltd.
#7 David Cocksucker Buschur 7.810 174.46 5.010 141.02 1.140 T67 P trim Yes Buschur Racing
#8 Nick Zervos 7.943 176.96 5.200 138.97 1.185 GT42R No APC, Castrol, Haltech, ARE
#9 PHIL DAVIDSON 8.074 167.21 5.146 134.65 1.161 67MM Yes First Impressions Collision
#10 Chris Carey 8.142 170.95 5.268 137.06 1.287 BW S383 Yes Modern Automotive Performance
#11 Kevin Kwiatkowski 8.214 168.48 5.330 134.36 1.284 Borg Warner 76mm No Kiggly Racing, Precision Industries, Wis NABR
#12 Andre Simon 8.230 179.50 5.460 139.80 1.419 T51R SPL No TSW/Speedtech
#13 Serge Turcotte 8.471 169.02 5.576 132.48 1.406 GT42R No F. Villeneuve/Camo/Quebec Perf./Magnus M NABR
#14 Jeff Bush 8.503 161.68 5.502 132.69 1.363 GT4202r No English Racing/ETS/sparktech/metro trans NABR
#15 Eric Jones 8.564 168.60 5.669 134.35 1.467 GT42R No Automotosports NABR
#16 David Buschur 8.610 158.26 5.520 127.25 1.306 T67 P-trim Yes Buschur Racing NABR
#17 Devin Schultz 8.620 168.30 5.677 129.52 1.394 FP3794 HTA No Boostin Performance
#18 Bill Lowe 8.630 164.00 5.620 127.00 1.310 PTE 71 Custom built Yes Showdown Motorsports NABR
#19 Sean Glazar 8.636 165.05 5.651 128.82 1.394 Precision Turbo T4 Yes Extreme Motorsports
#20 Jake Montgomery 8.669 165.46 5.687 132.26 1.401 GT4202 Yes Forced Performance JNZtuning NABR
#21 Marco Passante 8.730 162.00 0.000 126.85 1.330 GT42-02 70mm No Magnus Motorsports, Team NABR, Supertech NABR
#22 Emery Kapral 8.752 166.72 5.791 130.89 1.485 67mm No STM
#23 pollo performance 8.800 154.00 5.600 123.00 1.240 gt4294r No Pollo Performance
#24 Kevin Jewer 8.802 155.90 5.650 125.03 1.207 T3 50 trim, BW S475 No POS Racing NABR
#25 Keith Kinowski 8.869 153.23 5.767 127.28 1.427 4202 No Boostin Performance
#26 Daniel Buschur 8.885 169.24 5.930 128.14 1.544 GT42R No Buschur Racing, Inc.
#27 Bill Walls 8.892 152.97 5.725 119.76 1.337 PTE 70 GTQ Yes
#28 Jesse Abele 8.902 156.53 5.771 125.18 1.412 Borg S374 Yes
#29 Jared Early 8.961 154.26 5.761 125.25 1.434 37R full race Yes Early Performance
#30 Michael Luong 8.964 160.94 5.856 121.62 1.451 GT42R No DQ Racing, Switzer Perf, Mike C NABR
#31 Scott Glassbrook 8.969 149.91 5.727 122.40 1.309 GT42 No eagletalon.net NABR
#32 Scott Priebe 8.969 155.22 5.823 126.97 1.459 GT42R Yes AMS
#33 Mike Reichen 8.974 156.95 5.812 123.86 1.365 GT42R/70 mm No DEVO TUNING NABR
#34 Jeff Hill 8.980 160.18 5.895 122.50 1.337 GT42R No TurboTrix Racing NABR
#35 Adnan Omerovic 8.980 143.43 5.720 122.53 1.320 4094 No Devin tuned
#36 Devin Schultz 8.980 163.06 5.890 124.05 1.401 GT35R HTA No BOOSTIN PERFORMANCE / DEVIN TUNED
#37 Paul Nelson 8.998 149.05 5.867 128.60 0.000 42R No English Racing ETS

Nelson has a lot of work to do to make the cut on the overall top 50 list. I know a few cars not on the list that will qualify for quick 16 that will jockey the list down. Even the AWD mitsu only list is quite extensive. The top 25 times are under 8 second as well.

[J. Fast]

I'll post this link again because I think a few people missed it. There's 14 drag time list's being managed. Each individual list can be viewed by clicking on the subsequent name located in the red ribbon.

[ Top 50 ] [ 1g ] [ 2g ] [ Evo I-IX ] [ Evo X ] [ 14b ] [ 16g ]
[ All Turbo ] [ AWD ] [ FWD ] [ Galant ] [ All Cars ] [ Starion ] [ 3/S ]


DSMTimes.org - Home (http://www.dsmtimes.org/times.php?Header_Type=Top50&Page=1)

[motomaniac06]

Out of that whole list is anybody running a manual trans?

[anyonebutme]

you do realize the dyno run was a 2nd gear roll to start and a stock dsm 5 speed will do about 135mph in 3rd and 208mph in 4th




We are talking about automatics.

[MeTarzan]

For the record, there's 3 DSM's running 6's.

FOR the record, Bob & Tony drive the SAME car


Out of that whole list is anybody running a manual trans?
A lot of the top guys still run manuals....I know Devin Schultz is and he just ran his fastest times yet this past weekend low 8.3s



We are talking about automatics.
I thought he was talking about the vid of the blue car.

[bigger dreamer]

Oh look i has dsmtuners membership... oh look its nelson..... but he doesnt have a dsm.....prob never owned one... *trolls*

does anyone ever know what a dsm truely is?........

[92pearltt]

does anyone ever know what a dsm truely is?........


uhhhh what?

[bigger dreamer]

Not sure why you are quoting me. He ran 9.18 at 18psi. The 1000awhp comes from 25psi. I'm not a Nelson nut swinger just posting the results/facts (based on Nelson's postings so take it with a grain of salt if you wish). The 9.18 was at much less than 1000awhp. He currently has a great setup; hope he sticks with it and openly shares some experience and knowledge.

i was actually going to ask if anyone knew what his 9.18 complete setup was

[RealMcCoy]

does anyone ever know what a dsm truely is?........

Anything built by Diamond Star Motors....

To the dismay of many, that can include Avengers, Sebring coupes, and Neons.... :lol:

[bigger dreamer]

Anything built by Diamond Star Motors....

To the dismay of many, that can include Avengers, Sebring coupes, and Neons.... :lol:

LOL better stop before this thread turns into one of those arguments

[Blackmount]

Nope, not touching that topic again. Lol.

[i3igpete]

Tony Niemczyk's dragster

it's about as "street" as nelson's car is...

[MeTarzan]

it's about as "street" as nelson's car is...

same as brents back halved car as well....funny thing is some of the AWD guys weigh at or less than brents car but must be afraid of running Methenol and 96psi as AWD

[MeTarzan]

Well it's Saturday and nelson is here at the shootout going to try to qualify for Q16...

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[Blackmount]

Est 11.5 at 1200whp in the 1/4

[keo92stealth]

Est 11.5 at 1200whp in the 1/4

Lol I hope not

[MeTarzan]

Nope a 10.2 at 161mph spinning like crazy out of the hole and squirrely all the way down the track

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[VR-4 0wnz j00]

Pretty damn good trap. The power is there, getting it down sounds like an issue.

[HellBringer]

Dayamn..! 161MPH is good enough for 8's if he can get it out of the hole and keep it stuck

[J. Fast]

What was the q16 cutoff Tarzan?

[j2k4]

What was the q16 cutoff Tarzan?

This is Nelson driving, right?

[MeTarzan]

The cut off was 10.81 and everyone was having issues hooking up..fastest was a 8.8....hopefully the track is a lot stickier today....and yes Nelson was driving

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[HellBringer]

According to the other site he went 9.7 @ 170.9MPH this morning. That's the 3S MPH record.

[IPD]

i'll have to see video to believe it. it IS nelson, after all.

[HellBringer]

Nelson isn't the one posting; it's another member who's also there running their own car. Considering it's a MASSIVE event, I'm sure there will be lots of video.

[Beef6]

I didnt see his run this morning but he went 9.89 at 160 a bit ago

[Boomer3000]

Video or it didn't happen :suspect:

[keo92stealth]

Dang 170. Holy cow . I wonder how much boost .

[Blackmount]

And still not the fastest 3/s ever in the universe like he claims

[Bob]

170...Holy Cow! If he can get it out of the hole, he should be well into the 8's. With that set-up he has, the car is certainly capable of it. I think Nelson is probably scared of it. Back when Ray drove it, he said keeping the car straight down the track was hard, and it's had a lot of changes done since then.

[MeTarzan]

I missed his time trial this morning and don't know what it was but he just got eliminated from the Q16....

He's not getting the car up on the converter so it's launching for shit..I'll post what vids I have and get once I get a good signal

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[Blackmount]

I can believe that. Ive been in my share of High Hp AWDs and they can get pretty eild... One in particular really got wild when we had it on 35 Psi + 150 shot in 3rd.

[IPD]

if a viper can put down 7's in the quarter, there's no excuse that a 3/s can't do it as well. it's clearly a function of dialing in the suspension to keep it from getting "squirrely". i see no reason it should be harder to transfer power to the ground on AWD than RWD.

[JasonY]

The issue is when your steering axle is also a traction axle...Makes for a rather sporty drive.

Jason

[stealthee]

This video sums it up. AWD doesn't always eqaul instant traction


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U

[Blackmount]

All of the worlds fastest cars r rwd... Including DSMs. But i believe a 3/s can do 7s and still b awd

[IPD]

All of the worlds fastest cars r rwd...

technically no, they are all 0-wheel drive. they run on thrust. :)

[Blackmount]

....... Touche

[Zaroth]

This video sums it up. AWD doesn't always eqaul instant traction


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSptlw-L_U


Doesn't look like he ever had traction lol. Looks like a scary ride.

[Beef6]

Shep had his car at the shoot out yesterday, its a work of art. I cant even explain how amazing it is.

Also Nelsons car was MOVING! I cant wait to see what his car can do with a good launch and 60' time, I know he was trying yesterday but it just didn't come out of the hole very well.

[j2k4]

Well, he gets shit for not being a good-enough driver, and he gets shit for having others drive for him.

He's in a bit of a box.

If the car's that fast, here's hoping he learns a bit more about driving. :wink:

[AdamVR4]

Crazy trap. Looking forward to the video... Imagine that car on the highway... LOL

[FeaRpb]

That would be one fun highway car lol.

[CoopKill]

That would be one fun highway car lol.
No! That car is a track only car no matter what he says.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

170? Wow! Hopefully he can figure out how to get that thing to launch and stick. Damn, that's movin'...

Jeremy

[stealthee]

Too bad its no longer a 3s.

[MeTarzan]

Saturday eve qualifying run
Nelson's first qualifying pass dsm shootout 2012 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/CPurUV331Ds)

we didnt get to the track early enough to see nelson's first pass which someone said was that 170 run but couldnt find anyone at the track to confirm. Krazee from 3si was there with Nelson and was videoing the races so he should have something if that was the case.

This was first round of eliminations and the last time he actually made it the whole way down the track.
Nelson 9.9 162mph @dsm shootout 2012 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/08lnJtQj4k8)

I talked to Krazee before Nelon's second elimination and was told that they hadn't used the Nitrous to launch and once they started launching with the nitrous the car started breaking up sounded way too rich off the launch.
The car seems like the convertor is way too tight and just not able to get up on it without the nitrous but they need to tune it a lot better to get it to launch after that I think Game On...

[j2k4]

Saturday eve qualifying run
Nelson's first qualifying pass dsm shootout 2012 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/CPurUV331Ds)

we didnt get to the track early enough to see nelson's first pass which someone said was that 170 run but couldnt find anyone at the track to confirm. Krazee from 3si was there with Nelson and was videoing the races so he should have something if that was the case.

This was first round of eliminations and the last time he actually made it the whole way down the track.
Nelson 9.9 162mph @dsm shootout 2012 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/08lnJtQj4k8)

I talked to Krazee before Nelon's second elimination and was told that they hadn't used the Nitrous to launch and once they started launching with the nitrous the car started breaking up sounded way too rich off the launch.
The car seems like the convertor is way too tight and just not able to get up on it without the nitrous but they need to tune it a lot better to get it to launch after that I think Game On...

Great.

Now dial it in. :wink:

[Hans@GZP]

Too bad its no longer a 3s.

How so? It's still a unibody 3/S. Just because he made tubular subframes and cut off the headlight buckets doesn't mean it isn't a 3/S :p

[stealthee]

I thought it was more than just tubular subframes. I was under the impression that it is front halfed and back halfed.

Whatever, I don't pay any attention to his dramafest crap threads anyway.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Wow, yeah, that thing doesn't even spool up til damn near half track.

Jeremy

[CoopKill]

Man if he gets that thing dialed off the line SSShhhhhiiiiiiiiTtttttttttt!

[Hans@GZP]

That is going to be one CRAZY ride if he comes off the line in power LOL. He should put rubber bumpers on the sides of that thing because it looks like it could just go right for a wall.

[Blackmount]

nitrous to spool Turbos for luanch.

[AudibleSilence]

How so? It's still a unibody 3/S. Just because he made tubular subframes and cut off the headlight buckets doesn't mean it isn't a 3/S :p

Doesn't mean it's representative of the rest of the platform either.

[Hans@GZP]

Doesn't mean it's representative of the rest of the platform either.

???? Can nobody respect the car for what it is? I mean... most of the haters are people who have never gone faster than a 14 in the 1/4 :p. Hell, all of the haters have cars that can't top out at 170 mph, let alone run the 1/4 mile at that kind of trap speed :lol:

I wonder if he was still running the full leather interior in the car during the shootout.

[zelstin]

Other than the car hitting 2nd and dissappearing, I like what he did with the front end and paint.

He needs get the converter and ALS dialed in.

[familyMAN]

Wow, yeah, that thing doesn't even spool up til damn near half track.

Jeremy

It goes ballistic at half track! I liked the crowd's reaction on the first vid.

[keo92stealth]

On the vid on YouTube when he ran a 9.1x the car sounded like it launched with the snails spooled and hooked great . Wonder what the issue was.

[Valhallaz]

Nelson is who he is, and that's not gonna change. And haters are gonna hate...

Nothing but respect for what he's done with the car. If he can hook it to the ground, it's a beast. If he can't... It's still a beast :p

[stealthee]

???? Can nobody respect the car for what it is? I mean... most of the haters are people who have never gone faster than a 14 in the 1/4 :p. Hell, all of the haters have cars that can't top out at 170 mph, let alone run the 1/4 mile at that kind of trap speed :lol:

I wonder if he was still running the full leather interior in the car during the shootout.

No matter who owned the car my opinion would be the same. Brent Rau's car is not a DSM. Only the nutswingers claim its the worlds fastest DSM.

[gaylantvr4]

???? Can nobody respect the car for what it is? I mean... most of the haters are people who have never gone faster than a 14 in the 1/4 :p. Hell, all of the haters have cars that can't top out at 170 mph, let alone run the 1/4 mile at that kind of trap speed :lol:

I wonder if he was still running the full leather interior in the car during the shootout.

Im with you on this. People don't seem to relize how fast 170mph is in the 1/4 and what it takes just to do it.

[Hans@GZP]

No matter who owned the car my opinion would be the same. Brent Rau's car is not a DSM. Only the nutswingers claim its the worlds fastest DSM.

Brent Rau's "DSM" can't even be put into the same category as Nelson's vr4. It's more comparable with Shep's talon then anything.

[bigger dreamer]

Im with you on this. People don't seem to relize how fast 170mph is in the 1/4 and what it takes just to do it.

+1 if it was someone's like ray or chris the CAR would be nominated for a trophy made of gold and people would be going crazy over asking what they did and try to recreate everything they did

[MeTarzan]

Only thing leather in the interior was the dash... lol not sure why he kept that in there

The car is still a full unibody up past the front shock towers back wasn't touched except to add the cage

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[keo92stealth]

+1 if it was someone's like ray or chris the CAR would be nominated for a trophy made of gold and people would be going crazy over asking what they did and try to recreate everything they did

Nelsons setup is too expensive to duplicate . There will never be another car like his for sure . I have to agree with you on rays old car. That setup could be done again and again but not nelsons . To much cash in suspension and shit like that. He probably could have built a bad ass car just off the money in his chassis .

[bigger dreamer]

yea I can see people not affording it but come on if we could who wouldn't go for any car that has shown 160+ in the 1/4

[gaylantvr4]

Nelsons setup is too expensive to duplicate . There will never be another car like his for sure . I have to agree with you on rays old car. That setup could be done again and again but not nelsons . To much cash in suspension and shit like that. He probably could have built a bad ass car just off the money in his chassis .

You have to pay to play. This plateform wil get their someday, it just seems to move slower than others.

[MeTarzan]

Nelsons setup is too expensive to duplicate . There will never be another car like his for sure . I have to agree with you on rays old car. That setup could be done again and again but not nelsons . To much cash in suspension and shit like that. He probably could have built a bad ass car just off the money in his chassis .


The only reason his car cost so much is because he just threw money at it...there are a lot of cars out there like that....and his setup or better could be done for much less than he's put into his car


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[IPD]

street car? with that bumper? lol!

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

only platform I know of that tries to come up with excuses why their fastest cars SHOULDN'T count. I know Nelson is an odd fellow, but I try to separate that from what his car accomplishes.

Do you really think people should be going 170 in the 1/4 in a showroom stock chassis?

[j2k4]

only platform I know of that tries to come up with excuses why their fastest cars SHOULDN'T count. I know Nelson is an odd fellow, but I try to separate that from what his car accomplishes.

Do you really think people should be going 170 in the 1/4 in a showroom stock chassis?

Well, Nelson has made enough of a pariah of himself, perhaps he's overlooked the idea of updating us on the street/strip status of his chassis.

Frankly, I couldn't care less; I'd just like to see the damn thing sorted so we can put some hard numbers with the potential.

I've never met him, I only know him as an platform enthusiast with a big frigging wallet.

[IPD]

only platform I know of that tries to come up with excuses why their fastest cars SHOULDN'T count. I know Nelson is an odd fellow, but I try to separate that from what his car accomplishes.

Do you really think people should be going 170 in the 1/4 in a showroom stock chassis?

No. I also don't think Nelson should keep telling us that "it's a street car".

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

who cares, you don't have to believe him. At least he is racing. Hardly anyone else is racing at all for a while now.

[MeTarzan]

No. I also don't think Nelson should keep telling us that "it's a street car".

It's not a street car..... if there was only one thing that separates it from being one is that it doesn't have headlights

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[B-Man]

only platform I know of that tries to come up with excuses why their fastest cars SHOULDN'T count. I know Nelson is an odd fellow, but I try to separate that from what his car accomplishes.

Do you really think people should be going 170 in the 1/4 in a showroom stock chassis?

Since when?

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/fastnelson/010-1.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/fastnelson/tube-frames/154.jpg

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

wow you completely missed the point. The point was I think the chassis SHOULD be prepped to go that fast. Everyone was bitching about how its not a 3/s anymore, wah wah wah. It isn't like this is a full tube chassis with panels riveted on.

So, to those of you in the "not a 3/s anymore" group, what makes it not a 3/s? The bolt in subframes? The 6G74 block? The front tube section that you guys were all nut riding on Austin from STM about?

I can agree it isn't much of a streetcar, but it is certainly a 3/s. You don't hear guys with domestics swapping in big blocks taking shit that all of a sudden there car isn't a Camaro anymore. I think you guys just need to hang out at drag strips more and see what people do to run at this level.

[gaylantvr4]

The car is as close to a street car as you could get at the level he is at. The car isn't even back halfed yet. It is becoming more and more popular to do the tubular front end now because it frees up space that wasnt usable and you can mount things anywhere on it.

[IPD]

who cares, you don't have to believe him. At least he is racing. Hardly anyone else is racing at all for a while now.

give me 100g's and i'll go racing.

[stealthee]

only platform I know of that tries to come up with excuses why their fastest cars SHOULDN'T count. I know Nelson is an odd fellow, but I try to separate that from what his car accomplishes.

Do you really think people should be going 170 in the 1/4 in a showroom stock chassis?

Matt trapped over 160 without going tubular.

And It doesn't matter who it is, the car lost its 3s status when he essentially front halfed the car. Its now in its own class.

There is no denying the car is fast, but its not a 3s anymore and should not lay claim to a 3s record.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Matt trapped over 160 without going tubular.

And It doesn't matter who it is, the car lost its 3s status when he essentially front halfed the car. Its now in its own class.

There is no denying the car is fast, but its not a 3s anymore and should not lay claim to a 3s record.

pretty much no one that seriously drag races would agree with you, but OK.

[MeTarzan]

Matt trapped over 160 without going tubular.

And It doesn't matter who it is, the car lost its 3s status when he essentially front halfed the car. Its now in its own class.

There is no denying the car is fast, but its not a 3s anymore and should not lay claim to a 3s record.
So no car that has an kind of upgrade on it is the same as the stock car??? Hell if u put a SS DP on the car or solid subframe bushings it's no longer a 3s???



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[j2k4]

So no car that has an kind of upgrade on it is the same as the stock car??? Hell if u put a SS DP on the car or solid subframe bushings it's no longer a 3s???



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Insofar as he started with a 3S, the argument could go either way, I think.

It would be absolutely untenable to say "stock" if it was just s skin-job, like a...stock-car.

What would a NASCAR fan say?

[stealthee]

So no car that has an kind of upgrade on it is the same as the stock car??? Hell if u put a SS DP on the car or solid subframe bushings it's no longer a 3s???



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I didn't say that. When you start cutting a section of the body out and replacing it with tubes, is when you get into the area of becoming a completely different class of car.

[MeTarzan]

I didn't say that. When you start cutting a section of the body out and replacing it with tubes, is when you get into the area of becoming a completely different class of car.

Its an argument that will never have everyone agreeing on...Its your opinion that its not a 3S anymore. If cutting stuff to make the car lighter or faster is the claim then the white car of Matts isnt a 3S anymore cause he had to cut holes in the rear bumper....Nelson's car is gutted and lightened up to make it faster because its a RACECAR its purpouse built for that. Theres not many street cars out there that will do 160+ in the 1/4 and have all the interior unless your paying $80K for it and slapping another $100K+ down to build it.

[stealthee]

Lightening is one thing. Tubing is another.

[mcshooter]

look at how nascar calls them chevy,dodge,ford,toyoto, toyoto does not even have a v8 engine, the good ole boys down south still think they are stock cars. national assoc of stock cars racing, nascar no longer . should be assocation of modified race cars..aomrc racing, even dodge is dropping out, probably pick up honda. just like the womens golf listed as lpga should now be lapga,, ladies asian pro golf assoc. nascar used to be race what you build , not front wheeled cars ,, but money has taken over

[j2k4]

money has taken over

And NASCAR fields rolling skins and iffy motors.

Nelson isn't at that remove, yet.

Certain ideologies allow the use of questionable terminology. :biggrin:

[gaylantvr4]

[QUOTE=mcshooter;188184]look at how nascar calls them chevy,dodge,ford,toyoto, toyoto does not even have a v8 engine, the good ole boys down south still think they are stock cars. national assoc of stock cars racing, nascar no longer . should be assocation of modified race cars..aomrc racing, even

dodge is dropping out, probably pick up honda. just like the womens golf listed as lpga should now be lapga,, ladies asian pro golf assoc. nascar used to be race what you build , not front wheeled cars ,, but money has

Last time i checked toyota has been using v8 here since 1991.

[IPD]

to be fair, it's not entirely in a class by itself. i'm pretty sure vr440's car is front-halved.

[Intropy]

All the things done to that car and it's not a 3S because... he cut off his headlight buckets? You guys are crazy.

[J. Fast]

All I'm reading is wah wah... 170+ quarter and... "this not a 3/S", is ridiculious! You guys discrediting the car do realize Matt M cut the front end off of his racecar too right? No one ever mentioned or complained about him doing that tho did they? Never built or owned a real racecar haters.

[Blackmount]

I replaced my stock steering wheel with a aftermarket one. Mine is no longer a 3/s

[Alan92RTTT]

I love that he's taken a 3S to 170. (IMO matt could have done it 2-3 years ago with half the $$ in it had he wanted to)

IMO the car does not get the respect it deserves because Nelson is an egotistical asshat.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

I love that he's taken a 3S to 170. (IMO matt could have done it 2-3 years ago with half the $$ in it had he wanted to)

IMO the car does not get the respect it deserves because Nelson is an egotistical asshat.

That's pretty much it. But lately, not so. How long should you hold a grudge that only hurts yourself?

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 7 sec run out of this car. Just needs to hook and spool off the line and I think it'll be very close.

[wraith]

Wow, but at least he is out there doing it now himself. His car is a monster but I would think if he went smaller with the turbos, his short track time would be easier to control and ultimately his car would be quicker......170mph is moving no doubt

[HilbillyHomeboy]

That's pretty much it. But lately, not so. How long should you hold a grudge that only hurts yourself?

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 7 sec run out of this car. Just needs to hook and spool off the line and I think it'll be very close.

It's not a grudge, and nothing has changed either. I've read the threads on 3Si, it's still the same Nelson we've always seen. And those threads are still being constantly cleaned up by the mods over there, because people still get into it with him.

Personally, I don't care how he presents himself. I'm interested in the car, not Nelson.

Jeremy

[Alan92RTTT]

It's not a grudge, and nothing has changed either. I've read the threads on 3Si, it's still the same Nelson we've always seen. And those threads are still being constantly cleaned up by the mods over there, because people still get into it with him.
Oh you've got to be kidding me.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

No dissenting opinions allowed on 3Si. Didn't you get the memo? :D

Jeremy

[Alan92RTTT]

But why the F would they protect him....

[CoreyB]

Because they like him. They want the fastest car to be a guy from there and not from here.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

No, they destroy entire threads. Anything that starts into a small argument they smash every comment associated with it. 10 page threads become 2 pages very quickly.

Jeremy

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

No, they destroy entire threads. Anything that starts into a small argument they smash every comment associated with it. 10 page threads become 2 pages very quickly.

Jeremy

That would explain the surprisingly non-douchey responses from him...

In any event, it's just nice to watch the car break records.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Yep, my skin is thick enough to cut through the bullshit and look for the posts relating to what the car did. Nelson is just an internet warrior. He's a lot different in real life. His wife is very nice, also.

Jeremy

[AdamVR4]

I've been rather successful in playing nice with Nelson lately. He's semi-useful if you ask very pointed questions.

[Alan92RTTT]

Yep, my skin is thick enough to cut through the bullshit and look for the posts relating to what the car did. Nelson is just an internet warrior. He's a lot different in real life. His wife is very nice, also.

Jeremy
He's a different kind of ass in person.

Can you name the one person who bitched about not getting an award at the NG in a category that the NG has never given out awards for?

[HilbillyHomeboy]

He's a different kind of ass in person.

Can you name the one person who bitched about not getting an award at the NG in a category that the NG has never given out awards for?

Yeah, I forgot about that. Outside of that, I talked to him a good bit that year and he was 'decent'. You could ask him questions and he would respond the best he could. Vs. online asking a question and it gets answered with, "lol you don't have enough money don't worry about it lol."

He did stand his ground against maTT, in person. That was hilarious. :lol:

Jeremy

[j2k4]

He's a different kind of ass in person.

Can you name the one person who bitched about not getting an award at the NG in a category that the NG has never given out awards for?

I think I've known a couple of Nelsons in my time.

I reckon I'd get along with him in person, but then I'm not black/Jewish/what-have-you for him to aim at, so I guess he might think I'm like, uh...sandpaper.

Anyway, in it for a couple of properly-sorted quarter-miles, even if someone signs-in later to say he got lucky to run an 8, y'know?

[j2k4]

He did stand his ground against maTT, in person. That was hilarious. :lol:

Jeremy

In for a thumbnail account of that...:)

[gaylantvr4]

I love that he's taken a 3S to 170. (IMO matt could have done it 2-3 years ago with half the $$ in it had he wanted to)

IMO the car does not get the respect it deserves because Nelson is an egotistical asshat.

you are forgetting this is a auto as well. your traps will be slower but with a better et.

[AdamVR4]

you are forgetting this is a auto as well. your traps will be slower but with a better et.

Ha. Nelson's been disproving that for a few years now :p

[HilbillyHomeboy]

lol, not to mention Matt drove that car into the low 9's, at a track outing, like a damn bracket car. Ridiculous consistency.

Jeremy

[stealthee]

All I'm reading is wah wah... 170+ quarter and... "this not a 3/S", is ridiculious! You guys discrediting the car do realize Matt M cut the front end off of his racecar too right? No one ever mentioned or complained about him doing that tho did they? Never built or owned a real racecar haters.

Since when? Every picture or video I have seen of that car is has the factory inner fenders and headlight buckets.

[FeaRpb]

Pretty sure Matt didn't cut the front end off.

[J. Fast]

Since when? Every picture or video I have seen of that car is has the factory inner fenders and headlight buckets.

Still has the buckets but the front is clipped at the front crossbar frame rail... what else... There's no dash, no cluster, the rear is panned, there's only 7 engine fuses, all the other wiring is stripped out. Only has one working light (the drivers rear), he deleted the OEM abs and vac assist and is running a straight master system. Steering wheel is tied with a 1" bar release. yada yada... his car is a stripped beer can too!

Nelson and Matt are equivalent. One has more $ and the other is more resourceful

[stealthee]

Again, there is a difference between lightening and front halfing.

[Mikes2nd]

supra's do it all the time... they are still called supras... back half, frame tubing, chevy transmission.... still a poopra! zomg so fast

[GTO Assassin]

Still has the buckets but the front is clipped at the front crossbar frame rail... what else... There's no dash, no cluster, the rear is panned, there's only 7 engine fuses, all the other wiring is stripped out. Only has one working light (the drivers rear), he deleted the OEM abs and vac assist and is running a straight master system. Steering wheel is tied with a 1" bar release. yada yada... his car is a stripped beer can too!

Nelson and Matt are equivalent. One has more $ and the other is more resourceful

lol... Matt has also never claimed his stealth to be a street car. And please, don't compare the two. Two completely different people.

Scotty

[J. Fast]

lol... Matt has also never claimed his stealth to be a street car. And please, don't compare the two. Two completely different people.

Scotty

I never compared drivers, I compared what original parts are left on their racecars... Can't be called a 3/S anymore beacuse you cut the buckets off? Bullshit! Both cars are cut up. Pic and choose your sides non racecar builders and slow car owners.

[J. Fast]

Those who can... DO. Those who don't... HATE.

[markoverclock]

as kat williams says everyone needs haters, lol. IF you dont have some go get some.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7z_ztMxBgk

[RealMcCoy]

Streetcar.....


http://www.themullettfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/street-car.jpg