Your phone just got smoked by a Windows phone [Archive]

Boost4VR4

02-23-2012, 06:01 PM

I have a windows phone 7 and I have never had ANY problems with navigation ever. The phone isn't buggy and doesn't have any of the issues people talk about typical Windows Operating Systems have. Plus I have Office 360 on mine and I can cloud share my documents on the fly without emailing it to myself and I can natively open all Office documents and integrate with Microsoft Sharepoint directly on my phone. I have 6 email accounts attached to my phone, 1 is using Microsoft ActiveSync through my work and the others are IMAP/POP3 accounts.

And the Windows Phone is on 3G and the other phones competing are on the 4G network. The network isn't what makes the phone faster, it is just a much faster, much smoother operating system that isn't so busy on screen. I don't want to have a bunch of notifications on the top of my screen that I have to pull down. Simply put, it is a much more simplistic, and more powerful phone than any of the phones out there. I wouldn't change to another phone platform for a second. Also you may have an app for everything, but most everything that requires you to get an app to add functionality on the phone, mine comes native in the OS, plus I have 8 GB internal memory and 16 GB MicroSD memory for a whopping 24 GB memory which I have a bunch of music on as well as any documents I need to put out into the cloud and synchronize.

MeTarzan

02-23-2012, 08:04 PM

I perfer my RAZR and I'm sure it would get me that 100$.

onebadmollafolla

02-23-2012, 08:27 PM

Maybe this will trick people into getting Windows Mobile sales out of the toilet. Probably not though.

stealthify

02-23-2012, 08:39 PM

Guy that knows his phone well, versus those that couldn't care less. :p

Edit: did anyone in this video even bother to read the manual that came with their phone?

VR-4 0wnz j00

02-23-2012, 08:47 PM

Hes full of shit. With my HTC Sensation, I can take a picture locked by swiping the icon, take the picture and the upload button is on the bottom, hit facebook and done.

MeTarzan

02-23-2012, 08:57 PM

Edit: did anyone in this video even bother to read the manual that came with their phone?
I was thinking the same thing

Alan92RTTT

02-23-2012, 09:06 PM

UnhealthyHoarder

02-23-2012, 10:25 PM

Or how about put the OS on identical phones. then run the same test with people who are trained on operation of the OS

ictponder

02-23-2012, 11:43 PM

WP7 is great if you have an XBL account or ActiveSync, it's no different than any other phone in all other networking aspects.

If there was one thing that makes WP7 stand out above all other platforms it's the OS. I don't care what anyone says, it's SUPER smooth compared to other mobile platforms and FAR more intuitive than Android. You either love or hate WP7, just like IOS. I was hardcore Android until I got the HTC Trophy way back when. I only hope Verizon offers a new device soon as I have every intention of sticking with Windows Phone.

P.S. In regards to the videos, granted he is hauling ass for the video but it's pretty damn close to the actual time it takes to do those things. Everyone I work with (Premium Wireless Zone Retailer) avoids WP7 like it's the plague due to the home screen layout but has admitted that it's the most integrated phone of all the devices we sell.

NickS VR4

02-24-2012, 12:43 AM

How about a custom rom on the Gnex, overclocked, and with camera shortcuts on the lockscreen like mine. It would kick its butt with the zero shutter lag. The only thing that would take a second is the share to facebook, but honestly, you just need the speed to take a pic, not to upload it to facebook.

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 01:11 AM

I had not watched the video's earlier as I was at work.

No shit he was faster he lays out the scenario and knows exactly what to do to get all the things done. He's got specific apps for some bits and the phone has an external camera button. Its not a fair test of the phone speed.

Want a fair test? Show them the steps in the windows phone, Give them the windows phone time them, then have them repeat the steps with their phone and see which is faster.

Lori used to have a windows 7 phone and it was great at social networking stuff. Was average at anything else.

stop making excuses Alan :) These are "common" tasks... oh he set the guy up with "lets find a 4 star restaurant and directions"... seriously thats a horribly rare task no one would ever do.

Face it this thing smokes your phone, get over it :) Android is trying to copy Windows 7 Phone now with Ice cream sandwich and move away from the grids upon grids of dead apps that have to load and with no interaction...

Take a picture and post it to facebook is a setup? Go to AT&T and try the thing out, I did, its fast as shit. Playing with android is just playing with any android. Iphones seem like outdated junk now...

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 01:15 AM

Or how about put the OS on identical phones. then run the same test with people who are trained on operation of the OS

Alot of these guys knew how to use their phone very well... they explicitly came there to win the 100$ knowing the challenge. He wins like 90% of the time. he did this at CES and
smoked tons of phones... and this isnt about hardware. With win7 you don't have to have battery killing dual core hardware, it gets the job done faster with less plain and simple. You waste
less time waiting on your phone...

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 01:16 AM

I perfer my RAZR and I'm sure it would get me that 100$.

hah he beats the crap out of that junk...

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 01:25 AM

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 01:30 AM

Mike you are such a wintel fanboi

Yes, they are common tasks. Regular people don't practice them. its obvious to anyone with an impartial brain cell i their head that he has. Its not the phones that are loosing its the people that are loosing.

I bet I could beat him in the set of tasks with a bit of prep and some practice.

these guys are showing up having practiced!... you just can't accept it can you, hah you hate ms so much you can't stand to admit they made something better than your precious android :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjGe53zw6w

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 01:43 AM

these guys are showing up having practiced!...
Prove that statement.

I don't think you even realize how much of an advantage that external camera button is in the test they have set up.

Here is what you are missing mike. I've used a windows 7 phone. My wife had one for a year. Its very good at facebook and crap like that.

IF you live your life via facebook, use your phone as your camera and don't car about apps(could have gotten better in the last few months) get the win 7 phone you'll be happy. It was a nice unit but its menu system drove me insane when I tried to use it. I have an android, it has the apps I want. I do not have to fight it to use it.

x2xtreme360

02-24-2012, 02:23 AM

You guys and your phone wars.... ridiculous.

onebadmollafolla

02-24-2012, 02:32 AM

Windows Mobile had 2.7% market share in 3rd quarter of 2010. 3rd quarter of 2011 they dropped down to 1.5% market share.

So Windows Mobile is only 1.5% of market share?

http://i.imgur.com/o0Kg4.jpg

a2j

02-24-2012, 09:47 AM

Mike you are such a wintel fanboi

that is why I don't take this thread seriously.

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 10:09 AM

Oh I don't take any of Mike's thread seriously ;)

Its good humor to get me through the day. Admittedly, its a bit like picking on the retarded kid. But he's not retarded so its ok. :D

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 10:38 AM

well i was trolling... but what apps? there a ton out for wp7.5 now... and don't say Pandora...:rolleyes:

Its okay Wp 7 is the highest selling phones in europe now so the market share will grow.

Once they actually launch wp7 in the us it will grow, so dont worry! Personally that doesn't really make a huge factor on my phone choices.

Alan your just a ms hater so I understand :) the "menu" system was designed to be more efficient and it is. If you study application optimization theories...

Its why Android is trying to copy WP7 with ice cream sandwich? Because it sees the efficiency...

Android Ice Cream Sandwich: A coming of age and homage to Windows Phone 7 | ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/100591-android-4-0-a-coming-of-age-and-homage-to-windows-phone-7)

What Features Google Copied From Windows Phone 7 In Android Ice Cream Sandwich (http://www.techdreams.org/mobiles/what-features-google-copied-from-windows-phone-7-in-android-ice-cream-sandwich/6504-20111019)

http://slumz.boxden.com/f244/androids-ice-cream-sandwich-lifts-several-features-windows-phone-1634947/

anyonebutme

02-24-2012, 11:32 AM

well i was trolling... but what apps? there a ton out for wp7.5 now... and don't say Pandora...:rolleyes:

Its okay Wp 7 is the highest selling phones in europe now so the market share will grow.

Once they actually launch wp7 in the us it will grow, so dont worry! Personally that doesn't really make a huge factor on my phone choices.

Alan your just a ms hater so I understand :) the "menu" system was designed to be more efficient and it is. If you study application optimization theories...

Its why Android is trying to copy WP7 with ice cream sandwich? Because it sees the efficiency...

Android Ice Cream Sandwich: A coming of age and homage to Windows Phone 7 | ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/100591-android-4-0-a-coming-of-age-and-homage-to-windows-phone-7)

What Features Google Copied From Windows Phone 7 In Android Ice Cream Sandwich (http://www.techdreams.org/mobiles/what-features-google-copied-from-windows-phone-7-in-android-ice-cream-sandwich/6504-20111019)

Android's Ice Cream Sandwich Lifts Several Features From Windows Phone (http://slumz.boxden.com/f244/androids-ice-cream-sandwich-lifts-several-features-windows-phone-1634947/)

I don't see any apps I'd use. No G meters with video overlay, no care.

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 12:01 PM

the "menu" system was designed to be more efficient and it is. If you study application optimization theories... In my experience most "design theories" fall flat on their face in real world usage.

I'll says it again.

Lori had a WM7 phone for a year. I never like the way it worked. The lack of control over what showed up where in the UI annoyed me. Having to dig for apps or setting annoyed me and placement seemed random. And their were the dumb things like the RDP app that she used. It cost $15 was the only one we could find and it did not work as well as the free one on my Android.

When it needed to be replaced, she could have gotten a new WM7 phone if she wanted. She got a Galaxy SII and is very happy with it.

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 12:39 PM

In my experience most "design theories" fall flat on their face in real world usage.

I'll says it again.

Lori had a WM7 phone for a year. I never like the way it worked. The lack of control over what showed up where in the UI annoyed me. Having to dig for apps or setting annoyed me and placement seemed random. And their were the dumb things like the RDP app that she used. It cost $15 was the only one we could find and it did not work as well as the free one on my Android.

When it needed to be replaced, she could have gotten a new WM7 phone if she wanted. She got a Galaxy SII and is very happy with it.

She had the non multitasking version... yeah it was a pain and so was the first release of android.

RDP apps are free...

dig for apps? hah now your just full of it. You can easily adjust tiles to show whatever you want and settings.

this is what Android is attempting to copy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik9rk4kqN2M

You also need to do some reading on UI design...

"visual explanations" by this guy is a good start...

Edward Tufte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Tufte)

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 01:24 PM

looking at the video it looks like 7.5 is better. IIRC you could not move the icons once you pinned them in 7.0 if I recall it moved them around based on some metic of use.

Have they made is so that you can sync contacts without having to go via a hotmail/live account or an exchange mail server?

I know more about UI design than you give me credit for.

I've learned it from talking to my users about what works and what does not. 90% of the time I find that what some one that spends their time writing how to design software say is wrong when implemented and given to users.

ictponder

02-24-2012, 02:44 PM

7.5 is absolutely better than the original, which lacked a LOT of things that were on other platforms at that time, multitasking being one of them. Now it's just like webOS, which had IMO, the best multitasking feature.

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 02:51 PM

ictponder

02-24-2012, 03:38 PM

I'm glad they are fixing things. From the screens I've seen the UI is still too big and blocky for me.

Smaller icons please.

Can it do widgests/smart icons yet? Say something to show the latest weather or news in a large format icon? Or voice commands?

It has what's called LiveTiles. My HTC Trophy has a 2 x wide tile that shows live weather in my area or any other city I choose. You can also pin news feeds to your homescreen that will change the icon to reflect latest updates to that feed. It also has voice commands. For instance if I want to send my wife a text I simply hold the windows button and say "Text Jessica" then it asks me to say my message then converts the speech to text and I tap send.

I like (and have used quite often) that I can log into my windows live account (on a computer) and find my phone via GPS and lock it out if need be. There has been on occasion when I'm at home and the GPS says my phone is in my house but I still can't find it. Calling it won't work because I leave the ringer off at home, however, you can send a "Find My Phone" command from the computer and it will turn the phone on full volume and start ringing it in a really annoying tone.

Pic of my homescreen showing the live weather tile. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=903484ccb9bfc425&resid=903484CCB9BFC425!1205&parid=903484CCB9BFC425!310

stealthify

02-24-2012, 03:54 PM

has a 2 x wide tile that shows live weather in my area or any other city I choose
It also has voice commands. For instance if I want to send my wife a text I simply hold the windows button and say "Text Jessica" then it asks me to say my message then converts the speech to text and I tap send.
I can log into my windows live account (on a computer) and find my phone via GPS and lock it out if need be.
you can send a "Find My Phone" command from the computer and it will turn the phone on full volume and start ringing it in a really annoying tone.

AFAIK, all of these features are available for most popular smart phones these days (Android and iOS).

Very convenient to have, indeed.

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 03:59 PM

At least they are addressing some of the UI issues.

Still too big and blocky for me.

UnhealthyHoarder

02-24-2012, 03:59 PM

It has what's called LiveTiles. My HTC Trophy has a 2 x wide tile that shows live weather in my area or any other city I choose. You can also pin news feeds to your homescreen that will change the icon to reflect latest updates to that feed. It also has voice commands. For instance if I want to send my wife a text I simply hold the windows button and say "Text Jessica" then it asks me to say my message then converts the speech to text and I tap send.

I like (and have used quite often) that I can log into my windows live account (on a computer) and find my phone via GPS and lock it out if need be. There has been on occasion when I'm at home and the GPS says my phone is in my house but I still can't find it. Calling it won't work because I leave the ringer off at home, however, you can send a "Find My Phone" command from the computer and it will turn the phone on full volume and start ringing it in a really annoying tone.

Pic of my homescreen showing the live weather tile. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=903484ccb9bfc425&resid=903484CCB9BFC425!1205&parid=903484CCB9BFC425!310

I use AVG for my android 2.3.4 custom rom HD2. Nothing against windows 7 (as I haven't tried it) but with AVG it can remote lock (with a screen message saying whatever I want) gps locating even if gps is off (will turn on) , can ring phone at full volume for preset length of time then reset volume to prior levels and can remote wipe phone if needed. perhaps Windows has some great points but I enjoy the custom OS android community

ictponder

02-24-2012, 04:01 PM

AFAIK, all of these features are available for most popular smart phones these days (Android and iOS).

Very convenient to have, indeed.

You are correct, however, some features do not come built in on other platforms. But definitely possible to set up.

I'd like to have a feature that allows me to access my documents at home like Motocast on the Androids ie: music, video, docs... from a remote location such as work. I can do it at home via wifi but at that point I can go sit at the computer.

Alan92RTTT

02-24-2012, 04:13 PM

If you were android you could use google docs.

ictponder

02-24-2012, 04:28 PM

Android can use Zumocast or Motocast that basically acts like a VPN to your home computer. I think it only works with Motorola devices though. There is an app (GDocs) on WP7 that allows you to access & view your Google docs, just not edit them.

stealthify

02-24-2012, 05:02 PM

You are correct, however, some features do not come built in on other platforms. But definitely possible to set up.

I'd like to have a feature that allows me to access my documents at home like Motocast on the Androids ie: music, video, docs... from a remote location such as work. I can do it at home via wifi but at that point I can go sit at the computer.

Oops, meant to clarify. These features are all built into the OS by default. I can speak more for iOS (notification widgets, Siri, iCloud & Find My iPhone), not sure about on Android, but pretty sure they're available.

As far as accessing documents, this is pretty much the direction iCloud is going (unified saved documents that are accessible and editable anywhere on any device), but have you considered Dropbox (http://db.tt/CTyc563k)? The integration is seamless, and possibilities seemingly endless.

Mikes2nd

02-24-2012, 05:04 PM

I use AVG for my android 2.3.4 custom rom HD2. Nothing against windows 7 (as I haven't tried it) but with AVG it can remote lock (with a screen message saying whatever I want) gps locating even if gps is off (will turn on) , can ring phone at full volume for preset length of time then reset volume to prior levels and can remote wipe phone if needed. perhaps Windows has some great points but I enjoy the custom OS android community

thats all built into windows phone, no Avg program hacked in and snooping and lagging my phone to pay for the 'free' version.

its also got a phone tracker function.

most of this is built into all phones now. I assume into iphones, sucks android doesnt have it built in. maybe ics does?

I won't get into the fragmentation and app compatibility on android :)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383264,00.asp

Find My Phone | Find A Lost Cell Phone | Windows Phone 7 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-US/howto/wp7/basics/find-a-lost-phone.aspx)

terrets

02-25-2012, 02:35 AM

Windows Mobile had 2.7% market share in 3rd quarter of 2010. 3rd quarter of 2011 they dropped down to 1.5% market share.

So Windows Mobile is only 1.5% of market share?
LOL not a suprise.

I dont know if you noticed but he knows his phone about 50 times better than those people know their own phones... Doesnt mean the phone is faster.

Microsoft still blows.

And smart phones are evil.. I need to get rid of mine.

Your a terrible troll btw :)

nodoze

02-26-2012, 11:51 AM

lol im prolly the 1% here but im still using a flip phone , motorola quantico

Mikes2nd

02-29-2012, 01:19 PM

and its free!

http://www.viddler.com/v/bfcd5f6c

this is kinda cool too...

I mean if your rich... thats a must

http://www.viddler.com/v/31e909f5

terrets

02-29-2012, 03:14 PM

I mean if your rich... thats a must

"WIndows 8 running on a 82-inch display Gorilla Glass display" - Videos - Viddler (http://www.viddler.com/v/31e909f5)

Will the BSOD be interactive with the touch? :D

nodoze

02-29-2012, 09:02 PM

so need 80 inches my 61 isnt cutting it anymore

Jenkins

02-29-2012, 09:20 PM

People seem to miss the point of the "smoked by a windows phone" campaign. It doesn’t matter that Ben who obviously works for Microsoft knows his phone like the back of his hand. It doesn’t matter because when it comes to the everyday task that they are performing, the windows phone has fewer steps to perform. It’s like the wp7 guy and the challenger have to put a jigsaw puzzle together. The Wp7 guy may only have 2 or 3 pieces to his puzzle where the IOS or android phone has more. The challenge isn’t saying wp7 is better because it’s outright faster (even though it is), it’s faster because there is less to do from point A-Z

Like someone else stated this was started at CES where the challengers were by no means average users. You don't attend CES if you aren’t a tech type right? They were on par with Ben when it came to knowing their phones and you can see it in the video below. Notice how they unlock their phone and have their thumbs hovering over the icon they need to click for the next step...Far from the average user in my opinion and 88% of them lost. Not because their phone wasn’t fast enough they just had more steps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZww_C6Zgg&feature=related

Really WP isn’t here to try and sway everyone away from the smartphone they already have. I think what they were trying to do was show people that this OS is simple, and that's what most people need. New smartphone users are flocking to android devices when WP7 and IOS are what they should be grabbing.

stealthify

02-29-2012, 11:01 PM

You don't attend CES if you aren’t a tech type right?
Just because you're the tech type, doesn't necessarily mean you know your shit, so to speak.

I discover little hidden shortcuts all the time on nearly every OS I use (mobile or not). It's really not particularly uncommon to find people that love all that their computers and smartphones do for them, but don't have the slightest clue on how to use them to their maximum potential.

On another note:

The challenge WP has is not to simplify their OS to the extreme, but rather to make it intuitive to the common user as well (note: simple != intuitive, always). You can eliminate all the steps you want, but if only the marketing pro's working for MS know how to use it, then you have a problem.

Same goes for iOS. The girl in the first video clearly did not know that she could double-tap her home button twice in order to shortcut to her camera. Things like that are what developers need to work on. If that's what WP is accomplishing with that uninspired UI, good for them. I've yet to have much time with one myself, but hopefully they have that goal in mind.

Mikes2nd

03-01-2012, 02:24 PM

And it develops WAY faster...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5mGoKcm80

Alan92RTTT

03-01-2012, 03:13 PM

I love the visual studio development environment. I wish I could do PHP development easily with it.

ictponder

03-01-2012, 04:11 PM

Just because you're the tech type, doesn't necessarily mean you know your shit, so to speak.

I discover little hidden shortcuts all the time on nearly every OS I use (mobile or not). It's really not particularly uncommon to find people that love all that their computers and smartphones do for them, but don't have the slightest clue on how to use them to their maximum potential.

On another note:

The challenge WP has is not to simplify their OS to the extreme, but rather to make it intuitive to the common user as well (note: simple != intuitive, always). You can eliminate all the steps you want, but if only the marketing pro's working for MS know how to use it, then you have a problem.

Same goes for iOS. The girl in the first video clearly did not know that she could double-tap her home button twice in order to shortcut to her camera. Things like that are what developers need to work on. If that's what WP is accomplishing with that uninspired UI, good for them. I've yet to have much time with one myself, but hopefully they have that goal in mind.

If you really loved your phone you would want to know all there is to know about it. Most people are sheep and buy a phone just because they were told it's great or they were brainwashed by corporate ad campaigns.

Against ALL of my fellow co-workers' suggestions, I spent almost a week playing with the iPhone, Incredible 2 (Android), and the Trophy (Windows) before choosing the Trophy. The iPhone is a superior device of course but IOS really does suck some serious ass. After playing with it I felt as though there was something missing (like trying to find something cool on the interwebs and it's just not there). Android is really customizable but it runs like shit on pretty much any device you put it on. The marketplace has a lot of shitty apps that have 3 or 4 more shitty alternatives. WP7 REALLY threw me off for the first few minutes as I did not know I was looking at a homescreen, however, 15 minutes later I was in love with how fluent the interface was. Now that I've had it for a few months I can't wait to get another device as the Trophy is a bit small and does not have a front facing camera.

One thing I hate about all the platforms are the absurd amount of games on the marketplace and the lack of useful productivity oriented apps.

You are an idiot if you buy something just because everyone says it's awesome, the same goes for a Windows device.

Boost4VR4

03-01-2012, 04:30 PM

I have had a windows phone 7 prior to 7.5 update and it has come a long way. I started with an HTC Surround and had issues with the HTC Surround and it was a heavy phone, then I got a Focus and the weight of the phone was perfect. Now I am thinking about getting the Focus 2 because of the screen size being so much bigger and the weight of the phone has only gone up slightly. Now I have added an microSD card in my Focus and I have 24 GB of space on my phone for everything: music, pictures, documents, etc. It is by far a much better choice over most other phones simply because there isn't anything special to buy to get the SD card to read on these phones. I would only suggest the Windows Phone 7 to anyone that is looking to quickly access more than just the typical applications like Corporate email, word documents, excel, powerpoint, etc.

I really wish Cisco would come up with a Windows Phone 7 app for VPN Clients because I would definitely love to use Remote Desktop on my phone and control stuff at work from home without firing up my laptop. Cisco is working on a release of the VPN Client for Windows Phone 7.

stealthify

03-01-2012, 05:30 PM

If you really loved your phone you would want to know all there is to know about it. Most people are sheep and buy a phone just because they were told it's great or they were brainwashed by corporate ad campaigns.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm not anti-Android or Anti-WP7. In fact, I hope they all thrive and help push the limits and standards of the things we do with our smartphones. WP7 is doing something different, which I can appreciate.

ictponder

03-05-2012, 11:10 AM

Nokia PureView WP Confirmed (http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/05/nokia-pureview-windows-phone-confirmed/)

Time for other manufacturers to step up their game.

Alan92RTTT

03-05-2012, 11:31 AM

I like the UI that Samsung uses.
7 screens wide side to move side to side.
Put icons where I want.
Put widgets where I want.
I did download and install a android 3 style lock-screen for some extra functionality there.

Zaroth

03-05-2012, 11:49 AM

Android is really customizable but it runs like shit on pretty much any device you put it on.

Define "runs like shit". I have owned 2 Android phones and had zero problems with either of them.

ictponder

03-05-2012, 01:43 PM

Define "runs like shit". I have owned 2 Android phones and had zero problems with either of them.

Working at a Verizon store I get the advantage of playing with every device we get in the store. Androids are typically less responsive when doing common tasks such as opening apps and using swiping gestures where as IOS and WP 7.5 feel instantaneous.

I'm not saying the OS is built poorly, it just needs way more resources to run smoothly. Look at the new Lumia series phones using a single 1.4Ghz Scorpion CPU, they feel smoother than many of the dual core droid phones. This is my opinion based only on experience with a friends Lumia against several newer Android devices.

I think if Android ran on a quad core device it would compare.

Zaroth

03-05-2012, 02:48 PM

Mikes2nd

03-05-2012, 03:39 PM

You and I apparently have vastly different definitions of "running like shit".

I haven't experienced any of this "less responsive" behavior you have seen when I use IOS and Droid phones back to back so... not really much I can say there.

Mine is also typically Iphone4 vs Gingerbread so maybe your doing some comparison I'm not.

lagging android is laggy... Widgets basically make android laggy, its what happens when you try to "copy" Windows Phone. its a hack

rofl... clear your cache... I see TONS of androids running like crap, actually all of them. My friends is practically unusable after he upgraded... I rofl'ed. :) I just tell him "you better root that"... there are millions of "slow android" posts now... tons of issues... and Ice Cream Sandwich is being replaced already :) Which you probably don't even have yet... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEjWLdOLGrY

Zaroth

03-05-2012, 03:59 PM

FeaRpb

03-05-2012, 04:07 PM

My Android phone works better than any other phone I have had or currently see.

I does not stutter at anything. It is also running at 1.7ghz

Alan92RTTT

03-05-2012, 04:12 PM

Do I want to root my droid? Yes.

Why? To remove the crapware that ATT has loaded on it. ATT has loaded crap like hotspots and media hub that I never use and suck up memory/processor. I'm had times when my phone gets slow and laggy. If I look at what's running its a bunch of ATT crap that I don't want anyway. If they'd let me turn it off I'd be happy.

In short the laggyness you are dealing with is probably not the phone but the crap the provider loaded on it.

Zaroth

03-05-2012, 04:20 PM

On the flipside though, It is kind of nice that Microsoft actually made a decent OS this time around. Up until windows 7 mobile it was a hellish nightmare and that's coming from somebody who is a huge fan of Microsoft.

i3igpete

03-05-2012, 05:08 PM

I just put 6 widgets that are constantly doing things (2 separate news/Weather/Youtube/Facebook/Clock) and the same active wallpaper he is using and its still very fast. Absolutely no change in responsiveness. I was also listening to music on my phone while I was messing with it.

I have had problems with lagginess due to running out of memory (despite what google claims). I noticed the same thing, even live wallpapers with very little movement caused my scrolling to become choppy. I actually rooted my phone and uninstalled until I got to near-barebones because i wanted the smoothness of iOS. I still need to kill all tasks if my phone gets choppy when watching movies, or if swype becomes unresponsive. I honestly think LG didn't install enough RAM with my phone, because it's smooth as an iPhone after I kill tasks.

LG G2x with tegra2 dual core.

But I think with the quad-cores coming out and mfr's installing more and more RAM, the choppiness will soon become a thing of the past. Earlier versions of android were simply before their time. We're just in the transition period.

Zaroth

03-05-2012, 05:24 PM

When I ran all those apps my cpu usage jumped up quite a bit, but I was only at 150 of 760ish available ram, so I would lean more towards you not having a powerful enough processor.

onebadmollafolla

03-05-2012, 05:58 PM

Alan92RTTT

03-05-2012, 07:12 PM

Yea, still have the Galaxy S1

I'll get around to rooting it.

i3igpete

03-06-2012, 10:22 AM

When I ran all those apps my cpu usage jumped up quite a bit, but I was only at 150 of 760ish available ram, so I would lean more towards you not having a powerful enough processor.

But tegra 2 is still the most powerful CPU available at the moment for phones (I think only tablets have the quad core right now?).

Boost4VR4

03-06-2012, 10:57 AM

The one thing I have noticed is that the Windows Phones from ATT have been coming with the additional ATT apps, but are not constantly running like in an Android OS which I like. So essentially you need to launch all of these apps. The only gripe I have with the Windows Phone 7 is some of the apps are not built to run in the background so when going back to the main screen, the app gets killed, which can be a good and a bad thing.

Zaroth

03-06-2012, 11:29 AM

But tegra 2 is still the most powerful CPU available at the moment for phones (I think only tablets have the quad core right now?).

Try running an app that monitors cpu and memory usage and see whats happening. It looks like you have 512 ram and I'm running 700 something so I guess it might be that you don't have enough ram, because you literally have 2x the processor that I do lol. I tryed to replicate the laggyness from that video and only finally did it after going way beyond practical phone use lol.

i3igpete

03-06-2012, 11:55 AM

yeah, thats what i'm thinking. during idle i'm sitting around 100-150 MB RAM if I have all tasks killed. pretty stupid to cheap out on memory, IMO.

Zaroth

03-06-2012, 12:24 PM

Agreed. Expecially since RAM is cheap.

Mikes2nd

03-08-2012, 01:34 AM

Hmm can preorder the White Lumia 900...

https://negrielectronics.com/nokia-lumia-900-unlocked-white.html

ictponder

03-08-2012, 10:11 AM

That is one sexy piece of hardware.

Mikes2nd

03-08-2012, 11:38 AM

That is one sexy piece of hardware.

11 more days and you can pick them up at at&t I heard... ?

Stormtrooper nokias are pretty cool.

Jenkins

03-14-2012, 02:22 AM

I was hanging out with a couple friends when we decided on ordering pizza. At that moment there were three of us, two with android phones, and my windows phone. Soon after we decided on Papa John’s and all three of us started looking for the nearest location. The first android device pissed off the owner shortly after the search began, I found the nearest location, and the second android user assured me that there was a closer location.

He finds the location and gives them a call, only to find out that they no longer exist. So we are back to my search results and the frustrated android user number one starts telling me what to ask for when I call. I figure he should ask and I toss him my phone. He wakes the phone up compliments my lock screen and begins playing with the phone.

The frustrated android user tells me that he really likes my phone. I thought he was joking but he assured me that he was being very serious. He said "I was getting ready to call and I clicked on one result and it gave me so much information about this one place". He played with the phone for a second and kept saying "I really like your phone...it's so....so...intuitive". At that point I couldn't help but laugh. He then asked about the OS and where he could get a Windows Phone.

He was using a rooted epic 4g.

stealthify

03-14-2012, 02:46 AM

Meanwhile, next door, the guy with the iOS device ordered his pizza in a few clicks using an app :p

App Store - Papa John's Pizza (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/papa-johns/id407517450?mt=8)
App Store - Domino's Pizza USA (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dominos-pizza-usa/id436491861?mt=8)
App Store - Pizza Hut (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pizza-hut/id321560858?mt=8)

Couldn't resist.

terrets

03-14-2012, 03:00 AM

Jenkins

03-14-2012, 03:05 AM

Mikes2nd

03-15-2012, 12:07 AM

Ha good one. Anyone with a WP think they could order pizza using the features in the OS faster than an IOS or Android device using an app?

anyone who eats that pizza obviously is an idiot...

here is pizza huts

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e5b074f3-3aa1-e011-986b-78e7d1fa76f8

there is the typical crap... starbucks locator.. blah blah blah... who cares, who actually uses that crap.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/categories/foodanddining

so sorry not much of a burn... :) seriously have you tasted that crap? Its horrible... ph, pj, dominos? i dont even call it pizza... blech but don't worry WP7 is about to come out finally and the commercials are about to start.

here is pizza

http://www.zeppes.com/

terrets

03-15-2012, 12:50 AM

Your right it sucks, yet people still buy the pizza. Just like Microsoft products. :)

And that shit you posted looks like pie! lol

Jenkins

03-15-2012, 01:47 AM

anyone who eats that pizza obviously is an idiot...

here is pizza huts

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e5b074f3-3aa1-e011-986b-78e7d1fa76f8

there is the typical crap... starbucks locator.. blah blah blah... who cares, who actually uses that crap.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/categories/foodanddining

so sorry not much of a burn... :) seriously have you tasted that crap? Its horrible... ph, pj, dominos? i dont even call it pizza... blech but don't worry WP7 is about to come out finally and the commercials are about to start.

here is pizza

Zeppe's Pizzeria (http://www.zeppes.com/)

Wow pizza hut is all grease compared to Papa Johns...you can’t even compare private places with chain stores they are in two different leagues.

Mikes2nd

03-15-2012, 11:22 AM

And that shit you posted looks like pie! lol

that pizza is awesome.

Others in the area also
Farinacci Pizza - Pizza Restaurant - Hudson, OH | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Farinacci-Pizza/117849926139)

Pizza Roma of Mayfield, Angelos, Luigis :)

ictponder

03-16-2012, 02:26 AM

Ha good one. Anyone with a WP think they could order pizza using the features in the OS faster than an IOS or Android device using an app?

Using a stopwatch it took me 14 second to 1. Click start on the stopwatch 2. Pick up my phone and unlock it 3. Use voice commands to pull up local pizza place and click their phone number 4. Hear the phone ring

Not sure if that's a long time or not, probably less if you have the number memorized

stealthify

03-16-2012, 04:27 AM

Just tried it on iOS for Papa Johns. No app required. 12 seconds.

pick up phone -> ask Siri from lockscreen: "find and call the nearest Papa Johns" -> Siri returns 4 results -> tapped first one -> phone ringing

Not saying iOS is superior or anything, just saying that anyone that knows their phone well can make just about any mainstream OS work for them.

ictponder

03-16-2012, 09:24 AM

Well played sir, well played!

Mikes2nd

03-16-2012, 01:32 PM

Siri only works half the time and you better ask for something VERY simple... its a piece of crap... I laugh when it always fails when my friends try it.

this guy is suing because he got punked by the ads... suckers

Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Siri - Mobility - Smartphones - Informationweek (http://informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232602473)

Thousands of these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZFLBuEYrX4&feature=player_embedded#!

stealthify

03-16-2012, 04:25 PM

Mike, different results for different people, I guess.

Siri works for me about 95% of the time. It helps that I actually enunciate.

Plus, if you did some research, you'd find that Siri learns how to understand you better the more you use it. As exemplified in the video you posted, the 11 year old kid with an accent talking into a public-use iPhone at an Apple Store will not be as effective as someone that purchased an iPhone and trained it to recognize their voice, like I did. Know your software, man - especially if you're going to make a career of bashing it.

Jenkins

03-16-2012, 07:05 PM

Siri is a really cool feature! I honestly like how fluid it is when using it. On WP I find the voice feature to be a little less natural. I find the voice idea cool but I was able to find and call Papa Johns in 9.3 seconds using the search button. Windows phone is speeeeeeedy.

When ever someone ask me what phone they want I point them toards a windows phone or an iphone.

ictponder

03-16-2012, 07:13 PM

terrets

03-16-2012, 08:26 PM

Using a stopwatch it took me 14 second to 1. Click start on the stopwatch 2. Pick up my phone and unlock it 3. Use voice commands to pull up local pizza place and click their phone number 4. Hear the phone ring

Not sure if that's a long time or not, probably less if you have the number memorized

Why in the hell would you need to call a place within 14 seconds... No patience? Plus you would think you would have it in your contacts..

stealthify

03-16-2012, 08:41 PM

Why in the hell would you need to call a place within 14 seconds... No patience? Plus you would think you would have it in your contacts..

Impulse pizza shopping.

Never had that problem? :p

Mikes2nd

03-17-2012, 01:50 AM

onebadmollafolla

03-17-2012, 04:17 AM

yeah well the iphone got smoked doing plenty of things... those guys tried using siri and got smoked :)

android and windows phone both have Siri also... i personally think its pretty goofy talking to your phone but eventually the tech will be there.

Microsoft put these videos on their facebook pages... holy views, most are over a million now

Didnt the iphone copy this now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHlCCyS1hI&feature=plcp&context=C43b9ef5VDvjVQa1PpcFOHZVaZePLTLg5ZmfR5v482 VuRTuqH2_W8=

With all this Windows fanboi w!n, how is Windows going to capitalize on this? I'd imagine a start would be grabbing more than 2% of the market...no? Or will Win Mobile guys continue to talk about how great their devices are while they tank? Serious question. Let's talk market.

Mikes2nd

03-17-2012, 08:40 AM

onebadmollafolla

03-17-2012, 12:23 PM

well it appears in Europe they are getting more than 2% now, but they only just released the phone and production is ramping up

They haven't started marketing yet here, I don't know why you would be worried about marketshare unless you are a MS exec/manager or maybe a phone company manager/exec... but hey worry all you want, its a free country :)

Matters not to me. I'll keep buying what I like. Others are free to do what they wish. And anybody that is worried about WM taking majority market share is probably worried that Nader will pull an upset in the elections.

Jenkins

03-17-2012, 02:45 PM

With all this Windows fanboi w!n, how is Windows going to capitalize on this? I'd imagine a start would be grabbing more than 2% of the market...no? Or will Win Mobile guys continue to talk about how great their devices are while they tank? Serious question. Let's talk market.

I'm not expecting WP to overtake IOS or android any time soon. When the Iphone came out it was something new so people flocked to it. When Android came out it didn't do so well but, after a little development it was an alternative to the Iphone. Now Microsoft launches a new OS in an already saturated market that is dominated by two OS and people are talking about its measly 2% market? Did anyone honestly think WP would explode on the market so early in the game? I didn't...The scene that Microsoft is coming into is very different than the scene that the Iphone and Android phones developed in.

People hear Windows Phone and think Windows Mobile, that's Microsoft's fault. They should have done some hard advertising like Verizon did for the droid. If anyone calls WP WM then that's like calling a 3000gt an Evo. Both are made by the same company but they are two different beast.

I think we will have to wait and see what happens with WP. I just want ill informed people to take a look at the OS and see how great it really is. I hope it does well because...Well i am a fan of WP :D.

Zaroth

03-17-2012, 03:23 PM

I think we will have to wait and see what happens with WP. I just want ill informed people to take a look at the OS and see how great it really is. I hope it does well because...Well i am a fan of WP :D.

People like Mike are the ones that are going to make that hard to see how great it actually is. Posting threads attacking other phones instead of just talking about the device itself. I'm a die hard Microsoft fan and was looking forward to checking out WP and now just thinking about it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me want to stick with my tried and trusty Android.

All I have learned from this thread is that Microsoft is using an advertising campaign designed to target the little kiddies and that Mikes2nd has no idea what he is talking about.

Jenkins

03-17-2012, 03:38 PM

Aww don't let the smoked by a windows phone challenge turn you away! When you think about it the masses act like kids when it comes to electronics. I would give WP a try if you were at all interested. It could bring a whole new meaning to the saying "tried and trusty"...or you could hate it, but you will never know unless you take it for a spin.

Mikes2nd

03-20-2012, 03:54 PM

terrets

03-20-2012, 04:00 PM

Alan92RTTT

03-20-2012, 05:39 PM

included turn by turn gps... no data usage, only on Nokia Phones(coming to AT&T on the 9th).

Sell your Garmin/TomTom stock

Nokia Drive version 2.0 with offline navigation now available | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews (http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-drive-version-20-offline-navigation-now-available)
I've had turn by turn available on my Galaxy S since I got it. (without using the ATT crapware) The only special thing is the "no data usage" which could be offset if its done using ATT Navigator. On every ATT phone I've had navigator had a charge associated to it.

Mikes2nd

03-20-2012, 08:35 PM

thats the twist. You don't need a data plan. Offline is the reason this is so desirable...

Really nice for travelling also.

eljefefx

03-22-2012, 03:20 AM

thats the twist. You don't need a data plan. Offline is the reason this is so desirable...

Really nice for travelling also.

An offline, non-linked GPS system? Tell me more, Mike.

Mikes2nd

03-22-2012, 02:50 PM

An offline, non-linked GPS system? Tell me more, Mike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0miXUYG1eCg

Mikes2nd

03-22-2012, 02:52 PM

more smokings...

38 wins, 3 ties, 3 losses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GD_B0u9Heo

stealthify

03-22-2012, 04:42 PM

Kind of a bummer that it doesn't have multitasking. No running the navigator in the background while you check your messages?

Mikes2nd

03-22-2012, 07:02 PM

Kind of a bummer that it doesn't have multitasking. No running the navigator in the background while you check your messages?

Texting and emailing while driving? Your not one of those aholes?

Its like your iphone, it pauses "certain" apps and Nokia Drive is going through alot of updates, all free, free map updates also. They are polishing it, this is just the first update.

This is going to be the true travel phone... no data needed as you travel from country to country, no more getting gouged by rouge data plans.

Maps, public transport and Drive are the 3 navigation apps included.

you also get other Nokia apps... Nokia Music is an offline music mixer, havent played with that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXk8Nd7jM4

stealthify

03-22-2012, 07:16 PM

Texting and emailing while driving? Your not one of those aholes?
Not quite, but having the ability to multitask is convenient and should pretty much be the standard at this point. Especially if your passenger wants to play with your phone while you drive. ;)

Its like your iphone, it pauses "certain" apps and Nokia Drive is going through alot of updates, all free, free map updates also.
I'm not putting Nokia Drive down at all. Don't get me wrong, the ability to download maps is great. A lot of apps (across all platforms) have toyed with this idea in the past, some by downloading them advanced (as in Nokia Drive's case), others just calling it map caching with settings to adjust how large of an area to cache.

I do agree that the free-ness should be praised. I've always hated the idea of yearly subscriptions charges to services like Garmin/etc, or having to pay singularly for updates. Those days are quickly coming to an end.

Mikes2nd

03-23-2012, 01:07 AM

I think this is going to make Nokia a good stock buy :)

Nokia gives all these apps away with their phones Nokia drive, Nokia Transport(bus schedules and foot travel), Nokia Maps, Nokia Music

this is value for the cheap Nokia phones, free phones in China(the 710)

Nokia Lumia - Nokia - UK (http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/products/lumia/?intc=na-fw-ilc-na-lumia-na-apps-gb-en-734440)

Mikes2nd

03-25-2012, 12:46 AM

April 9th is the release date for the new Nokia Lumia 900 on AT&T only...

Might have to pick one up finally, operation "rolling thunder" is to commence soon.

HilbillyHomeboy

03-26-2012, 12:50 PM

I Won The Windows Phone Challenge, But Lost “Just Because” | Skatter Tech (http://skattertech.com/2012/03/i-won-the-windows-phone-challenge-but-lost-just-because/)

Mikes2nd

03-26-2012, 01:44 PM

yeah they were setup by a blogger, who got his phone ready for any challenges.

he got his stuff, and MS got a ton of advertising... and the rules im sure are being revisited :)

now everyone can argue rules like d&d nerds before the competition.

NickS VR4

03-26-2012, 02:07 PM

ictponder

03-26-2012, 02:08 PM

Whoever thinks disabling their lock screen is a cool feature is an idiot. The Android devs even recommend not doing it. However, they should have just given him the prize, THEN revised their rules as to avoid bad publicity. This contestant does seem like a troll though.

onebadmollafolla

03-26-2012, 03:17 PM

I Won The Windows Phone Challenge, But Lost “Just Because” | Skatter Tech (http://skattertech.com/2012/03/i-won-the-windows-phone-challenge-but-lost-just-because/)

:lol:

Microsoft apologizes over 'Smoked by Windows Phone' controversy, offers winner laptop and phone | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/26/2903250/microsoft-smoked-by-windows-phone-apology-sasha-katta)

Who didn't see this coming? The whole thing has been a joke from the get go as I've pointed out on numerous occasions. Turns out Microsoft has now given him a free phone. Wow, my superior product beat your inferior product so I am awarded with your inferior product...for FREE. Thanks, MS.

Mikes2nd

03-26-2012, 04:20 PM

About time there was a fair competition. Can't advertise being the fastest in tasks that are already pre loaded. In this case they beat Microsoft at their own game.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

if microsoft didn't want to play fair, they wouldn't have their lock screen enabled... stop being a fanboi

This will stop soon im sure. I would just use the record as a commercial and call it done. Apple and Android can't win unless it comes in specifically loaded for those challenges which are now public. Fun to watch you guys whine though.

Apple and Android are copying wp7 as fast as they can, so relax you will have WP 7 soon. :)

Alan92RTTT

03-26-2012, 05:20 PM

Apple and Android can't win unless it comes in specifically loaded for those challenges which are now public. Fun to watch you guys whine though.

LOL @ Mike. Did you not read the post? YOu MS fanboi side is showing again.

I read it its a very interesting read. It proves what I thought all along about that challenge.

The challenge

The Microsoft Store employee I was up against then explained the selected challenge. Her exact words were the following: “bring up the weather of two different cities.” The one who could do that first would win.

Why most people would fail regardless of the home screen thing.

My opponent finished a split-second later. She had two live tiles on her home screen displaying the weather of two different cities as well.

From the description on that page. He was not given time to "setup" his phone. He happened to have the lock screen off and he happened to have two cities up to display. Any other challenger would have to setup the second widget to get the second cities weather up. Because the win7 phone was already set to display 2 city's anyone else would fail. The content is set to favor MS.

The MS phone always won because it was preset for the challenge. It was never about fastest. It was all marketing BS.

NickS VR4

03-26-2012, 05:26 PM

What can it do faster ? Android has widgets. I can also launch camera directly from lock screen and I have 0 shutter lag. The only reason they appear faster is because they came prepared for their challenge.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Alan92RTTT

03-26-2012, 05:29 PM

ictponder

03-26-2012, 06:08 PM

IMO The only thing WP does better is run smoothly on slower hardware. As far as everything else goes it's all about what you prefer. The marketplace on each platform is what levels the playing field, not by quantity but useability of the apps that fill them. In that respect, each platform is just as capable of being great.

On a side note, I still prefer the interface on WP.

Mikes2nd

03-26-2012, 10:52 PM

Exactly. Its nice to have proof tho :D

your still losing tons of other challenges, face it, the interface is nice... the two city weather thing is a bust and I assume they added "you have to have a lock screen" enabled to the rules.

There is a reason why Android is trying to copy Windows Phone 7... because google itself and iphone see's wp7 is a better interface. Now Blackberry 10 is getting in on the copying.

Face it live tiles are better than grids of dead app buttons, better integration etc... You are such blind fanbois that you don't even realize you will eventually be using windows phone 7 livetiles on your "android" phone... Iphone is another story, its going to have a harder time copying live tiles.

Competition is good, your android phones which you dorks think are so great are getting enhanced with MS ideas... making them better. Now is you could only get ICS :) hah wait till next year

Android's Ice Cream Sandwich Lifts Several Features From Windows Phone (http://slumz.boxden.com/f244/androids-ice-cream-sandwich-lifts-several-features-windows-phone-1634947/)

Android Ice Cream Sandwich: A coming of age and homage to Windows Phone 7 | ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/100591-android-4-0-a-coming-of-age-and-homage-to-windows-phone-7)

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 12:09 AM

your still losing tons of other challenges, face it, the interface is nice... the two city weather thing is a bust and I assume they added "you have to have a lock screen" enabled to the rules.

There is a reason why Android is trying to copy Windows Phone 7... because google itself and iphone see's wp7 is a better interface. Now Blackberry 10 is getting in on the copying.

Face it live tiles are better than grids of dead app buttons, better integration etc... You are such blind fanbois that you don't even realize you will eventually be using windows phone 7 livetiles on your "android" phone... Iphone is another story, its going to have a harder time copying live tiles.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just forwarded to a few coworkers of mine. You can't make this shit up. LMAO

TurboSinceBirth

03-27-2012, 12:50 AM

Sounds about as bad as a Nelson nut-swinger. :lol:

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 04:49 AM

The guy that Microsoft finally offered to hand over a PC and W7 phone to after this public embarrassment is auctioning both items off; 100% of it goes to charity. Can't blame the guy for selling them. It may be free, but there's no reason to downgrade. With that said, that's a stand up guy.

I Got My Laptop & A Windows Phone. Both Are Up For Auction. 100% Of Proceeds Go To Charity. | Skatter Tech (http://skattertech.com/2012/03/i-got-my-laptop-a-windows-phone-both-are-up-for-auction-100-of-proceeds-go-to-charity/)

Mikes2nd

03-27-2012, 09:34 AM

yes because he is a tech blogger loving his 15 seconds of fame, congrats, create a youtube rant so all the fanbois can cheer you on against the great satan!!

hah... because google does no evil and apple is angelic! praise steve!

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 09:47 AM

ictponder

03-27-2012, 10:10 AM

Alan92RTTT

03-27-2012, 10:23 AM

This just makes him look bad honestly. And, I don't understand how it would be a downgrade? It's just a different platform.

At least he is giving the proceeds to charity.
Because he owns a better one.

I walked out with a $1,049 Hunger Games Special Edition HP Folio 13 and a $899 Nokia Lumia 800 Bundle.

I recently just purchased a new HP Envy 15 and I am rather happy with my smart phone, so I decided to put both of these up for auction on eBay. That is of course assuming the HP envy 15 is better than the HP folio 13. TO me the model numbering would indicate that.

Not sure how you can say it makes him look bad? He entered a challenge to win a laptop. He won and got shafted. He did not need it but I've entered lots of contents for things I did not need just for the fun of it. When MS made the situation right he got 2 things he did not need. If it was me I'd probably have sold it and kept the profit.

ictponder

03-27-2012, 11:13 AM

I was referring to the mobile phone platform, not necessarily the laptop. That bundle looks pretty tits.

Alan92RTTT

03-27-2012, 11:14 AM

His nexus did beat the win phone so moving from the winning phone to the loosing phone would be a downgrade ;)

Mikes2nd

03-27-2012, 11:23 AM

The reality is for me I have no interest in any closed phone. That includes majority of Android phones as well. An MS phone or an Apple phone are not at all interesting to me. This is why I owned a Droid and now a GNex. Android has a great developer community and plenty of ways to make your phone faster, more power efficient and more customized to your liking. Unless other phones offer that, I will always stay with developer phones on Android.

hah open platform...

Your one of these guys who goes around screaming "open source!, Open platform"... when you are far from open... As you keep waiting for your Ice Cream Sandwich update... delusional...maybe youll get your update next month if they can fix all the bugs...

Oh wait since its open its all fixed already? You loaded your own ICS? Oh wait, you didn't because it will hose your phone. See what "closed" systems do for you? You get updates :)

Keep your fingers crossed though. I believe it is "second quarter" now instead of april

If you want to jailbreak a phone, you can do it on Windows phone quite easily and its supported by MS.
It costs 9$: ChevronWP7 (http://www.chevronwp7.com/)

Here, is the hell that is an android owners life... (Will I get an update?) I don't want to be on this list praying for an update... OH wait, its open so go ahead and load your own update!!! I didn't think so :) This is reality.

Ultimate Android 4.0 Update List: Which Phones Will Get Ice Cream Sandwich? (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10/21/ultimate-android-4-0-update-list-which-phones-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/)

Alan92RTTT

03-27-2012, 11:29 AM

Mike you are such a raging wintel fanboi.

Any comparison I could make that would illustrate how far you have your head stuck up MS's ass would be an insult to handicapped people.

ictponder

03-27-2012, 11:30 AM

His nexus did beat the win phone so moving from the winning phone to the loosing phone would be a downgrade ;)

See, this is where it gets tricky. When WP does these challenges they are specifically set up to do exceptionally well at the specific challenge. This time, the competitors phone was "by chance" configured in a way that it was able to beat the WP. I am bias towards WP, however, these challenges are a marketing scheme designed to make WP look good and overall it works very well. Most of the challenges absolutely embarrass the competitors, rarely resulting in a close match or even a loss.

You can't say that his phone is better based on a single challenge. Likewise, you can't accept that WP is better just because it wins all these skewed challenges. He obviously prefers Android, which is perfectly acceptable. Each side is going to have fans, and those fans will root for their platform. However, each platform is just as capable as the next save maybe RIM atm.

Choice is a good thing!

Alan92RTTT

03-27-2012, 11:41 AM

For me a WP phone would be a downgrade. I am assuming he'd feel the same way.

My only complaint about the 2 years old Galaxy 1 I have is the crap ware that ATT put on it(rooting is coming to fix that). I don't even care that Samsung will not provide a ICS update for it. It wont support ICS and Samsung's overlay and thats ok with me. If some day some future version of the android OS has a feature I want I'll just switch to native android and load it.

Hey Mike, talking about upgrades. YOU keep commenting on who is getting ICS. Lets call it what it is Android 4.0. Most of the phones on the list are running 2.x. Were not talking a small version bump its two full versions different....

I'm sure all the WP 6.5 owners are just waiting with baited breath for their upgrades to wp7. I mean its only a half a version jump right?

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 12:20 PM

hah open platform...

Your one of these guys who goes around screaming "open source!, Open platform"... when you are far from open... As you keep waiting for your Ice Cream Sandwich update... delusional...maybe youll get your update next month if they can fix all the bugs...

Oh wait since its open its all fixed already? You loaded your own ICS? Oh wait, you didn't because it will hose your phone. See what "closed" systems do for you? You get updates :)

Keep your fingers crossed though. I believe it is "second quarter" now instead of april

If you want to jailbreak a phone, you can do it on Windows phone quite easily and its supported by MS.
It costs 9$: ChevronWP7 (http://www.chevronwp7.com/)

Here, is the hell that is an android owners life... (Will I get an update?) I don't want to be on this list praying for an update... OH wait, its open so go ahead and load your own update!!! I didn't think so :) This is reality.

Ultimate Android 4.0 Update List: Which Phones Will Get Ice Cream Sandwich? (http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/10/21/ultimate-android-4-0-update-list-which-phones-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/)

My phone came with ICS. It also has a free boot loader unlock tool and root tool built into the android SDK. Freely allows me to do whatever I'd like. Been on roms built from AOSP since the first week I've owned the phone. Do not know what you are talking about.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

The reality is for me I have no interest in any closed phone. That includes majority of Android phones as well. An MS phone or an Apple phone are not at all interesting to me. This is why I owned a Droid and now a GNex. Android has a great developer community and plenty of ways to make your phone faster, more power efficient and more customized to your liking. Unless other phones offer that, I will always stay with developer phones on Android.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

And to quote myself.... incase you missed that part.

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 02:47 PM

LMAO, Mikey is struggling once again. Every now and then this forum needs a good train wreck to watch. This thread is the epitome of such. Couldn't have played out more perfect.

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 04:46 PM

This just makes him look bad honestly. And, I don't understand how it would be a downgrade? It's just a different platform.

At least he is giving the proceeds to charity.

I'm not understanding how someone giving 100% of the proceeds of his winnings to charity "makes him look bad". Otherwise, I thought Alan did a good job covering the rest.

Jenkins

03-27-2012, 04:52 PM

I'm sure all the WP 6.5 owners are just waiting with baited breath for their upgrades to wp7. I mean its only a half a version jump right?

As I stated before WM6.x and WP7 are two completely different OS. It is not an add on! WP7 is a start from a clean sheet of paper(so to speak). So no, no one from Wm expects their device to be upgraded to WP7.x

Congrats to this gentlemen for configuring his device in an efficient manner. As a result he beat a WP7 device at what it does best. Lets not forget how many GN the challenge has already beat in the same task and others.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p155/boy_genius94/515f8341407e5d04361cc7355b53c7e2bd666e10_m.gif

Mikes2nd

03-27-2012, 05:04 PM

As I stated before WM6.x and WP7 are two completely different OS. It is not an add on! WP7 is a start from a clean sheet of paper(so to speak). So no, no one from Wm expects their device to be upgraded to WP7.x

Alan is all butt hurt he knows im correct that Android is a fragmented nightmare so he has to grasp in desperation :)

congrats on buying one of the only androids with ICS Nick... but it is pretty new. Maybe you will get an upgrade to 5 that turns your phone buggy like most android upgrades :)

with WP7 you get the best of both worlds, unlock it if you want, yet your eco system isn't so screwed up, you can actually get updates.

All this fragmentation means... Your phone is buggy and stuff doesnt work... developers are leaving android...

Your being such fanbois you can't admit Apple and MS are right on this.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401813,00.asp
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/03/android-fragmentation-also-a-challenge-for-web-developers.ars
http://www.infoworld.com/t/application-development/survey-ice-cream-sandwich-cant-stop-android-fragmentation-189210
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/20/android_interest_slipping/
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/app-builder/android-fragmentation-is-real/863
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401823,00.asp?obref=obinsite

It Doesn't Look Promising
Four months after the first Ice Cream Sandwich-powered phone, the Samsung Galaxy Nexus on Verizon, it's still the only one running that OS. On all of the top seven major wireless carriers in the U.S.

Until Google steps in, the situation will deteriorate.

Googles Schmidt's solution—that "if you don't like it, you can buy the phone from someone else"—doesn't work when you're locked in a two-year contract, when there are over 300,000 apps in Android Market to test, and when a phone vendor goes back on its promise to provide an OS upgrade. How could you possibly know beforehand what's going to happen?

Androids a cluster F...

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 05:17 PM

Alan is all butt hurt he knows im correct that Android is a fragmented nightmare so he has to grasp in desperation :)

1.5% market share and decreasing.

http://i.imgur.com/06hE1.gif

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 05:21 PM

As I stated before WM6.x and WP7 are two completely different OS. It is not an add on! WP7 is a start from a clean sheet of paper(so to speak). So no, no one from Wm expects their device to be upgraded to WP7.x

Congrats to this gentlemen for configuring his device in an efficient manner. As a result he beat a WP7 device at what it does best. Lets not forget how many GN the challenge has already beat in the same task and others.

You are missing the point. It's a rigged contest. There is nothing about WM that is actually faster than Android. WM has tiles, Android has widgets. That person just beat them at their own game by putting the odds in his favor.

Alan is all butt hurt he knows im correct that Android is a fragmented nightmare so he has to grasp in desperation :)

congrats on buying one of the only androids with ICS Nick... but it is pretty new. Maybe you will get an upgrade to 5 that turns your phone buggy like most android upgrades :)

with WP7 you get the best of both worlds, unlock it if you want, yet your eco system isn't so screwed up, you can actually get updates.

All this fragmentation means... Your phone is buggy and stuff doesnt work...

The beauty of an open phone like mine is that updates get pushed out as soon as Google releases source, by the community. Google is constantly releasing the latest source code, and I am constantly getting updates. So far I've upgraded my ROM about 8-10 times, updated my kernel about 40 times (new linux kernels released practically daily), updated my radios twice now, and expect plenty more in the future.

With the community, I have a phone that used to get 8hours battery with moderate use, now getting 16 hours, a ton of features added onto my ROM, color corrections on the screen, and a stable system.... among other things.

I don't think you can appreciate the developer support that Nexus devices have... iOS and WM do not have anything like this.

Google does release the source code, and it is up to the service providers to push out an update. The providers are the ones that screw it up, not Google. With an unlocked phone, I do not need to wait for phone companies to give me updates, I get them almost immediately via the developer community.

Oh, and a cheap jab... like I said, I didn't have to pay to unlock my phone, like you have to pay $9 to unlock yours. :p

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 05:25 PM

Like I said in my above post... Google released the source code for ICS... I guarantee that if the phone manufactures unlocked their phones and released the source for their radios, ICS would be on their phones. Look at HTC Rezound, it has an unlock tool, and they released the radio source. Also the Nexus S had ICS before the GNex was even released, due to the open software.

Jenkins

03-27-2012, 05:59 PM

You are missing the point. It's a rigged contest. There is nothing about WM that is actually faster than Android. WM has tiles, Android has widgets. That person just beat them at their own game by putting the odds in his favor.

I didn't miss anything. I already understand the point of the contest, Ben the PC guy has publicly stated that its "rigged". They gathered a bunch of Android and IOS devices to make sure WP was faster at doing these daily task before they started this contest. WP (not WM :p) IS faster/quicker when you compare it to an IOS or Android device without any tweaks. Hence the birth of this contest. An Android device can be quick too after you set it up to be quick. From what I understand Microsoft is saying our devices are faster out the box. From the results at CES someone could even argue that in some cases its also faster then a device with a 3rd party ROM or tweaks..

Kudos to him, he beat them at their own game. WP requires little to no configuration to be quick at simple task. This guy got his widgets together disabled his lock screen and was faster when it came to looking up the weather. :bigthumb:

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 07:38 PM

I didn't miss anything. I already understand the point of the contest, Ben the PC guy has publicly stated that its "rigged". They gathered a bunch of Android and IOS devices to make sure WP was faster at doing these daily task before they started this contest. WP (not WM :p) IS faster/quicker when you compare it to an IOS or Android device without any tweaks. Hence the birth of this contest. An Android device can be quick too after you set it up to be quick. From what I understand Microsoft is saying our devices are faster out the box. From the results at CES someone could even argue that in some cases its also faster then a device with a 3rd party ROM or tweaks..

Kudos to him, he beat them at their own game. WP requires little to no configuration to be quick at simple task. This guy got his widgets together disabled his lock screen and was faster when it came to looking up the weather. :bigthumb:

It's all just marketing. One would argue that iOS is faster than all phones at setting a new alarm for tomorrow. Just say "Siri, wake me up at 6am". I bet WP can't win that contest. Honestly this whole contest thing is stupid anyway. It doesn't prove that its faster at all.

Also, I believe that iOS is very fast an polished, but I do not want that for me. I want the ability to customize and have modified ROMs. Windows Phone just has no appeal to me.

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 07:48 PM

Mikes2nd

03-27-2012, 08:58 PM

One would argue that iOS is faster than all phones at setting a new alarm for tomorrow. Just say "Siri, wake me up at 6am". I bet WP can't win that contest.

1. android and windows phone both have SIRI, they had it before SIRI...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsUix1DO97w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=uF5IVKj8QDk

Quick, you get your windows phone, and i'll take my android, first person to get GPS directions and navigation to the nearest walmart wins? I bet

see the above video to find a walmart. Nokia comes with offline turn by turn. The other phones don't but the only real wp7 phones are nokia made. HTC Titan 2 is a nice one also.

Here you can see turn by turn on a location.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBLLTy3YjC0

more comparisons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHSrD6TdeQA

NickS VR4

03-27-2012, 09:11 PM

I stand corrected, I can set an alarm with a voice command on my android. The GPS requires aftermarket software that comes with some phones and not others. My point being is that anyone can come up with challenges to make their phone look better.

I have my reasons for liking my phone. I you had a WP, and I had my Android phone, and we were both told do prepare for any one of those challenges... I'm sure we would both be able to complete them fast, given the time to set the phone up for it....

And don't tell me that the WP comes stock with 2 cities weather on tiles (what a stupid challenge anyway).

stealthify

03-27-2012, 09:28 PM

1. android and windows phone both have SIRI, they had it before SIRI...

You clearly have no idea what sets Siri apart from the "competition."

If you want to get technical, and by your definition, even iOS had Siri before Siri. It was under a different name, though: Voice Control.

Mikes2nd

03-27-2012, 09:41 PM

And don't tell me that the WP comes stock with 2 cities weather on tiles (what a stupid challenge anyway).

I agree it was a stupid challenge. MS needs to get nasty with these challenges, we all know its a bit of a setup, but it also shows WP7 can easily challenge android and apple, which most fanbois will say its simply a pile of crap and can't do anything. The ad gets people thinking and it take integration to another level(like ICS is trying to do).

onebadmollafolla

03-27-2012, 09:45 PM

I agree it was a stupid challenge. MS needs to get nasty with these challenges, we all know its a bit of a setup, but it also shows WP7 can easily challenge android and apple, which most fanbois will say its simply a pile of crap and can't do anything. The ad gets people thinking and it take integration to another level(like ICS is trying to do).

W7 isn't a piece of crap by any means. Windows 6.X was crap was to put it VERY nicely. W7 phones are world smoother and completely revamped from W6.

Jenkins

03-27-2012, 11:39 PM

I got one... Quick, you get your windows phone, and i'll take my android, first person to get GPS directions and navigation to the nearest walmart wins? I bet Android wins that one too... since there is no built in turn by turn navigation on WP.

WP is NOT for everyone, but it does fit the masses. IOS fits the masses, but in my own personal opinion Android does not fit the masses. So for the real power user Android is the clear choice. For the other 98% of the US it is not.

FYI WP7 does have turn by turn GPS but because of licensing or patents you have to tap the screen for the next step. I know it sounds horrible but it works pretty good. As for the speed of getting those directions look a couple pages back in this thread. When I searched for Papa johns I went from screen off to ringing in 9.3 seconds. Keep in mind when I searched for papa johns I got a list of 10 of the nearest locations with
address
distance
and star rating
When I click on one it gives me the
address
directions
phone number
the neighborhood (I live in LA if I wasn't familiar with the street name but it's in Compton...well I may not want to go)
the website
the category of food
full reviews
and possible apps for the location

Jenkins

03-27-2012, 11:44 PM

And don't tell me that the WP comes stock with 2 cities weather on tiles (what a stupid challenge anyway).

I am honestly not trying to be a dick, but depending on where you are the HTC hub will display your home locations weather and your current locations weather without adding additional tiles to the home screen.

As you can imagine the HTC hub comes on all HTC WP.

Although I think the Microsoft store was wrong here is an article on smoked by a WP.
http://techland.time.com/2012/03/27/more-on-smoked-by-windows-phone/

Mikes2nd

03-30-2012, 06:06 PM

Lumia is free with "new" at&t customers... online only, they are preordering the 900. I guess I can use some of that to buy a case and extra charger at the store.

Guess I can order online pick up a case in the store...

Cell Phone Offer - Save up to $100 - Wireless from AT&T (http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/deals/100savings.jsp)

Mikes2nd

04-01-2012, 01:10 AM

uh oh looks like the 900 is sold out...

Mikes2nd

04-01-2012, 08:43 PM

this is going to tick off the fanbois...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quoelNJxR-o

I dunno, making fun of antenna gate, iphone sun glare, and iPhones fragility is pretty funny :)

stuff that comes out on April 1st though... who knows.

Mikes2nd

04-04-2012, 01:43 PM

iphone 4s vs Lumia 900..

Offline turn by turn gps... time to sell the gps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNiXANtFMC0

stealthify

04-04-2012, 04:34 PM

Pretty fair review, nice find.

ictponder

04-04-2012, 05:26 PM

Pretty fair review, nice find.

Indeed! He's spot on in the end when he said it's all about what experience you want from a phone because in the end, everyone is different.

Mikes2nd

04-07-2012, 02:24 AM

The ad is actually kind of funny. Oh the fanbois are gonna hate.

I would have jabbed at the the apple owners and the "rockgod" and the fact that if your a guy and you own a iphone you have to wear girl jeans :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wK0DC7oJSJY

Mikes2nd

04-09-2012, 01:09 AM

another head to head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkifKnNmeVg

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 09:14 AM

another head to head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkifKnNmeVg

Just did those tests on my GNex using Chrome and had way better results. Also have better color correction with my leantweaks kernel. Was pulling 50fps doing that fish tank test. That test btw is hosted by Microsoft so it may be skewed/optimized for a Microsoft device.

If I had a Ms phone I could show you plenty of things done better on my GNex. Obviously the person doing these has a bias in ms's favor.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Alan92RTTT

04-09-2012, 09:27 AM

I personally loved the angry birds test. The nexus is faster but he goes on about how the buttons are smaller. He's so knowledgeable that he totally missed that the win phone is running an older version. The buttons are smaller because it a new version(You can tell the version difference because of the loading screen).

Mikes2nd

04-09-2012, 11:07 AM

actually it didn't seem faster but hey if you say a ton of wait on the one vs the other... :)

Instant win on this webpage.

Windows Phone Free-Time Machine Sweepstakes and Instant Win (http://www.freetimemachine.com/)

Mikes2nd

04-09-2012, 12:11 PM

Just did those tests on my GNex using Chrome and had way better results.

You have tweaks loaded that probably helps, he is using out of the box phones.

I think the test has been updated? My friend just did his Nexus and got 30, my lumia got about 30 also.

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/FishIETank

whoops wrong Link

I got 50
http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Mobile/Default.html

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 12:44 PM

I just have gummynex with lean kernel running at 1.2ghz, aka not overclocked.

Tell your friend with the gnex to run the test on chrome.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Alan92RTTT

04-09-2012, 01:07 PM

Something about the fish test seems off. The video says the nexus got 20 fps. MY galaxy 1 gets 21 fps on the fish test.

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 01:45 PM

Just did test on stock browser. 34-35fps. Which is why I use chrome. A browser designed for CSS3 and html5.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Mikes2nd

04-09-2012, 02:40 PM

is Chrome Mobile out of beta? :) Guy just used out of the box, cool to see this phone as fast as your dual core.

Now you guys get to fixing those android bugs... :)

Issues - android - Android - An Open Handset Alliance Project - Google Project Hosting (http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list)

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 02:50 PM

Just about everything google holds a beta tag long. Google navigation still says beta. Both are very polished and bug free. And my dual core, with slower gpu is still faster using chrome, as it doesn't have much to do with the hardware as you can see. If the same phone can run at 35fps with one browser and nearly 50% faster on another... tells me hardware isn't why I was getting 35fps.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

terrets

04-09-2012, 04:06 PM

Keeping things in beta longer means that they are testing longer, means they care more about how their programs run, means they care about the consumers, means the "final" product will be better, also means less updates. I dont see any disadvantage to keeping things in beta beside maybe the timeline, but even then you can run the beta before the final release...Sooo...

ps.. Mike, you will never win. :)

Alan92RTTT

04-09-2012, 04:28 PM

Guy just used out of the boxHe could have used chrome. You can see the chrome icon in the video

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 04:53 PM

Since you brought up HTML5, and how great your phone is, lets try a test from another website, that is not microsoft....

The HTML5 test - How well does your browser support HTML5? (http://www.html5test.com)

Chrome 18, Firefox 11, IE9, GNex Chrome (beta)

http://www.nscelica.net/html5.png

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 05:11 PM

As for "Speed Reading" I got 50 fps on my GNex on Chrome.

Mikes2nd

04-09-2012, 07:34 PM

As for "Speed Reading" I got 50 fps on my GNex on Chrome.

I pulled 50 on my single core Lumia phone :) He isn't tweaking or loading other apps, he just loaded the stock browsers. Nothing wrong with that.

NickS VR4

04-09-2012, 07:43 PM

Pissing contest, but just pulled a 60fps with tweaks.

http://www.nscelica.net/reading.png

Alan92RTTT

04-11-2012, 12:37 PM

Nokia to give Lumia 900 users $100 credit, software patch due to data glitch (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2012/04/nokia-to-give-lumia-900-users-100-credit-software-patch-due-to-data-glitch.ars)

terrets

04-11-2012, 02:22 PM

Wait, so they are giving everyone a dollar to take their phone? They must really be suffering in sales :)

Mikes2nd

04-11-2012, 05:08 PM

Its selling very well

yeah woot, its a very small amount of users affected and the patch is going out on the 16th. I don't think I get the 100$ off? Since I didn't pay anything for the phone. Amazon was undercutting the AT&T stores also at 20$ and 50$

I think they were ticking the guys who spent 100$ on day 2... where the day 1 guys got it free. I mean that would tick me off, I show up and go? What it was free on preorder? HEY! So they said lets just make it free until the 21st.

And it screwed the salespeople in the stores by offering free online, yet 100$ in store? I thought that was whack.

And many are sold out, check out the store first since you can walk in and get it free, but if its sold out get it online. Great phone so far, zero issues for me.

by making it free at AT&T they undercut Amazon(who now has it for 50$)... It was the top 2 devices at amazon(blue, black for nearly the entire time)... Until AT&T undercut yesterday, now people go to the stores.

Russian stuff is pretty funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nbcJa1vaA4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovh0mdAHsyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EJfe41uRA

ictponder

04-12-2012, 09:29 PM

I like companies who will spend money on stuff like that. I thought the Angry Birds was the coolest.

Mikes2nd

04-13-2012, 10:13 AM

I like companies who will spend money on stuff like that. I thought the Angry Birds was the coolest.

I kinda like the dancing chicks... but its a little over the top for a shopping mall maybe? :)

Mikes2nd

04-14-2012, 12:28 PM

dang! I hope this is fake :) But it doesnt appear to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2UZBQZCLXg

terrets

04-14-2012, 01:13 PM

"I told you your phone is a worthless piece of sheet." Bahahaha

Yet, this is a pointless race. Really, who needs to get their photos to Facebook in t-minus 20 seconds? Maybe I just don't understand with not having an active account.

Mikes2nd

04-14-2012, 10:17 PM

The time adds up.

but the phone moves fast... Its really nice when someone says "call that store" and I am dialing in under 10 seconds and have a map up... I was like wtf.

The Nokia Drive is fricking fast also. like 30 seconds later I have GPS up and running to my destination(15 seconds of it was typing in the address). Its really nice because I
just put in the road name, city and go, it finds it.

Mikes2nd

04-27-2012, 10:52 PM

NSFW!!! Heh this guy is on coke or something... NSFW!!!!

Here is his initial review.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=_QJaj4kFEFY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yNMzeUgThtU

Jenkins

04-28-2012, 02:54 PM

HilbillyHomeboy

04-28-2012, 04:08 PM

Zaroth

04-28-2012, 04:24 PM

R/T93

04-28-2012, 04:35 PM

My Droid has done that for 2 years :/

Mikes2nd

04-28-2012, 06:05 PM

do I have to show you the score against your android? WP7 is fast... out the box. Faster than your androids in general tasks. If not MS would have hand out 40,000 laptops...

Im sorry facts hurt... no spending hours fiddling with widgets, no tweaking the phone, no loading up speedup programs... it works out the box. go to Att and check it out

Ive used androids and played with plenty of iphones... Androids are buggy and laggy period... you know it. The angry guy above isnt kidding. You pray for your ICS updates and then spend a year dealing with bugs. I have 3 friends with androids... one barely makes calls after patching, other lags out wazoo, other crashes on browsing... They are all waiting for their contracts to be up to move to wp7/8... apple and wp7 are very stable(ill give them that).

Although the Smoked by Windows Phone Challenge will remain forever controversial, there is little doubt it made waves and got the OS noticed (hey, any publicity is good publicity). Guess we didn't figure Microsoft were tallying up every single win (and loss) though perhaps it shouldn't be a surprise. Here are the results:
•Won - 40,522
•Lost - 462

We're assuming that these numbers are just for the US at the various Microsoft Stores and don't include the expanded contest in places like Italy, Malaysia and Brazil (to name a few). Even Nokia picked up and ran with it in London.

If our math is correct, Windows Phone has won 98.87% of the challenges which is, umm, really high. Of course, we all know that the challenge favors Windows Phone as the tasks are predefined, but Microsoft has made some changes to make it more fair to challengers.

Zaroth

04-28-2012, 06:17 PM

do I have to show you the score against your android? WP7 is fast... out the box.

Do I need to pull a quote out of your quote to show you how the cute little "smoked by a windows phone" doesn't mean anything?

we all know that the challenge favors Windows Phone as the tasks are predefined

Everybody except you seems to understand it.:rolleyes:

Mikes2nd

04-28-2012, 06:37 PM

Do I need to pull a quote out of your quote to show you how the cute little "smoked by a windows phone" doesn't mean anything?

Everybody except you seems to understand it.:rolleyes:

oh so you admit it is faster in 'some' things... I rest my case...

R/T93

04-28-2012, 06:42 PM

Who cares, they all do the same things within seconds of each other IF you know how to use them.

3000gt's and Stealths are pretty shitty "out of the box" thats why we mod them to make them better and suit our tastes.

I rest my case......

Zaroth

04-28-2012, 06:42 PM

oh so you admit it is faster in 'some' things... I rest my case...

What exactly is your case?

sublime_whatigo

04-28-2012, 08:44 PM

Who cares how fast you can do those tasks, my old Nextel Blackberry could take/upload a photo faster than that windows phone, and in case you didn't know Nextel doesn't have 3g or even 4g. But with that said I have a droid bionic, not a fan and I miss my blackberry and Nextel. If this windows phone works as good as they say that would be great, the last thing I ever wanted was a computer for a phone because lets face it they all have some bugs.

Mikes2nd

05-10-2012, 10:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmlLIKET4D0

NickS VR4

05-10-2012, 11:14 AM

Its selling very well

Apparently not

Windows Phone has 2% or less U.S. market share, say two reports - Computerworld Blogs (http://blogs.computerworld.com/20132/windows_phone_has_2_or_less_u_s_market_share_say_t wo_reports)

onebadmollafolla

05-10-2012, 11:48 AM

Apparently not

Windows Phone has 2% or less U.S. market share, say two reports - Computerworld Blogs (http://blogs.computerworld.com/20132/windows_phone_has_2_or_less_u_s_market_share_say_t wo_reports)

Numbers don't matter. It' selling well for a Windows phone. ;)

Mikes2nd

05-10-2012, 02:11 PM

Numbers don't matter. It' selling well for a Windows phone. ;)

he needs to stop quoting 2011 and prelaunch...

Lumia launched in april(the real Wp7 phone). Commercials started at launch.

Sold out on amazon, demand outstripping supply. its a good phone.

NickS VR4

05-10-2012, 02:50 PM

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9227056/Mozilla_accuses_Microsoft_of_anticompetitive_behav ior_with_Windows_RT

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

HilbillyHomeboy

05-10-2012, 03:05 PM

he needs to stop quoting 2011 and prelaunch...

Lumia launched in april(the real Wp7 phone). Commercials started at launch.

Sold out on amazon, demand outstripping supply. its a good phone.

Yes, but where's the actual number of units sold? Seems to be a secret. Coupled with the rumored WP8 os on the very near horizon, and the PureView808 with 41mp camera coming...why would anyone buy a Lumia now? That's exactly why they won't be gaining any appreciable segment of the market anytime soon.

Jeremy

onebadmollafolla

05-10-2012, 03:29 PM

Yes, but where's the actual number of units sold? Seems to be a secret. Coupled with the rumored WP8 os on the very near horizon, and the PureView808 with 41mp camera coming...why would anyone buy a Lumia now? That's exactly why they won't be gaining any appreciable segment of the market anytime soon.

Jeremy

http://i.imgur.com/Z7a5H.jpg

HilbillyHomeboy

05-10-2012, 03:41 PM

LOL, I know it sounds absurd, but it is true. It's not available in the U.S. but they're (Nokia execs) talking that they're working on getting it unlocked and selling at AT&T.

Jeremy

ictponder

05-10-2012, 05:06 PM

Mozilla accuses Microsoft of anticompetitive behavior with Windows RT - Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9227056/Mozilla_accuses_Microsoft_of_anticompetitive_behav ior_with_Windows_RT)

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Apple has been doing this for years with Safari, why such a big deal now?

Mikes2nd

05-11-2012, 10:35 AM

Apple has been doing this for years with Safari, why such a big deal now?

because its wonderful apple... google does the same stuff... force you into their ecosystem... when they do its great, ms does it... look out :)

Hey even Apple knows what the best smartphone out is now... cmon thats plain funny

I'm sure someones scrambling to remove this now and just set it to the Iphone :)\

Apple's Siri says the best smartphone is Nokia's Lumia: report - The Tell - MarketWatch (http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2012/05/11/apples-siri-says-the-best-smartphone-is-nokias-lumia-report/)

ictponder

05-11-2012, 02:52 PM

Mikes2nd

05-11-2012, 05:50 PM

It's not something they can just "set" The only reason siri is saying that is because of all the recent hype about the Lumia. The algorithms used most likely result in most current information, which the Lumia probably falls into.

I think they are smart enough not to play with it and get it over with, if you "tweak" your results it looks worse. Obviously they can "adjust" what Siri returns... Im sure google doesnt like this either :) Apple just decided to ditch google maps...

I didn't know siri was this slow either... I guess im used to a fast phone now(my Lumia 900).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NR5AxOuyI&feature=player_embedded

Boost4VR4

05-11-2012, 05:51 PM

The Nokia Lumia is a phone that I am currently looking at getting next actually. It looks really nice... maybe I will see about getting one tonight... or at least check one out...

NickS VR4

05-11-2012, 05:53 PM

Apple has been doing this for years with Safari, why such a big deal now?

Never said I was a fan of Apple, and the way they have everything about their system locked down is why I am against them. (Yes, a lot of android phones are locked down to, but Google wants their system unlocked, its the carriers locking them down).

because its wonderful apple... google does the same stuff... force you into their ecosystem... when they do its great, ms does it... look out :)

Again, not a fan of Apple, so not going to dispute negative things about them. Google on the other hand doesn't really do the same thing. They release the source code to Android all the time. In some ways you are encouraged to use their ecosystem, but in no way to they stop you from downloading APKs from unknown sources and installing them. They allow you to download Amazon market and get apps there.

Microsoft should just do what they do best in the smartphone market, let Android sell and collect their royalties. There is a reason they make more from Android than their own system.

Mikes2nd

05-12-2012, 09:06 AM

Microsoft should just do what they do best in the smartphone market, let Android sell and collect their royalties. There is a reason they make more from Android than their own system.

google does it... why do you think you have to have a google+ account to post on youtube now... you also have to have a google account to own an android phone don't you? Now your just fanboi'ing.

Also welcome to 2012... The lumia was released last month. So yes while the android phone makers had to licence their phone hardware. MS is selling WP7.

I think a 3rd ecosystem is great, it just means everyone gets better and google and apple are not just left alone to simply do as they please.

Why do you think google got widgets/me tiles out so fast? Because it said "holy crap, Microsoft did some cool stuff, we better copy it fast!"...

Apple on the other hand is stuck in the endless grid of dead icons mode forever...

NickS VR4

05-12-2012, 12:33 PM

google does it... why do you think you have to have a google+ account to post on youtube now... you also have to have a google account to own an android phone don't you? Now your just fanboi'ing.

Also welcome to 2012... The lumia was released last month. So yes while the android phone makers had to licence their phone hardware. MS is selling WP7.

I think a 3rd ecosystem is great, it just means everyone gets better and google and apple are not just left alone to simply do as they please.

Why do you think google got widgets/me tiles out so fast? Because it said "holy crap, Microsoft did some cool stuff, we better copy it fast!"...

Apple on the other hand is stuck in the endless grid of dead icons mode forever...

When are you saying google copied MS Widgets?

As for google making you create an account, really a big deal. Just about every sites makes you register before using. Google is no different. Just because that account comes with an email and google+ account doesn't mean you have to use it. Hell, if I didn't want a google account linked to my phone I don't need one.

By having one my contacts and market get linked which is nice, but I could get rid of the entire google ecosystem if I choose to. I could be strictly amazon or whatever.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Mikes2nd

05-14-2012, 12:37 PM

I mean at least google could have changed the fricking font! :)

widgets? everyone had widgets since 1995... Im talking about live tiles. Things like the local tile, and the me tile.

Google saw that Wp7 is the way to go and quickly copied it. All the android guys scream for you ICS update... And I already have it with WP7...

I also agree with this statement below. But I also find it amusing the Android fans love to slam Wp7 as utter garbage, while they are pining away for it, not to mention Wp7 was rewritten from the ground up and isn't a hack like ICS and its about to be compatible with Windows 8. And it takes half the hardware android does.

And any programmer can see the advatage with being able to run on windows 8 and windows phone 8.

Is Ice Cream Sandwich’s similarity to WP7 a coincidence? We’ll probably never know, but ICS’s development definitely begun around the same time as WP7′s release in late 2010. To be honest, it doesn’t even matter — operating systems trade ideas and features all the time. More importantly, this complete interface overhaul is indicative of a much more significant shift: Android is ready and eager to drop its mantle as the nerd and power user OS.

We all know that Android is the geeky option. We all know that it’s built from the ground up to be the antithesis of Apple’s walled, iOS garden. The problem is, neither of these factors make Android phones particularly loveable or usable. Through sheer marketing dollars and low prices, Android is making serious inroads — but has your mom ever told you that she adores her Android phone?

Android Ice Cream Sandwich: A coming of age and homage to Windows Phone 7 | ExtremeTech (http://www.extremetech.com/computing/100591-android-4-0-a-coming-of-age-and-homage-to-windows-phone-7)

Boost4VR4

05-14-2012, 12:50 PM

Just bought the Nokia Lumia 900, what a phone... I love it runs way better than my Samsung Focus!

Zaroth

05-14-2012, 12:53 PM

Obviously your not a very tech oriented person Mike, but in the tech world, that is how things work. Other companys take other peoples ideas and use and improve them. That's how it has been forever. Microsoft does it all the time. They modeled DOS after Unix and Windows after MAC.

If your going to come troll about Windows phone being better, that's fine. You're lashing out at people as if somebody is insinuating that it's not. Nobody is talking down about Windows Phone and certainly nobody has "slammed" it.

Being a Windows Fanboi, I'm glad Microsoft finally made a product that is working as well as this one seems to be. It doesn't happen very often.

ictponder

05-14-2012, 01:01 PM

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlefPYCJ8BB-Nt3hXAB7zN-ezk_bneky9gSDsgFyTN-btjC_hef0pmZmW3PQ

Mikes2nd

05-18-2012, 12:55 AM

Windows Phone opens a can of whoopass in China, takes 7% of the market - Neowin (http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-opens-a-can-of-whoopass-in-china-takes-7-of-the-market)

Mikes2nd

05-19-2012, 12:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf1fRu9YgfE&feature=player_embedded

n2nsanity

05-19-2012, 12:38 AM

Don't own a hammer? There's an app for that!

terrets

05-19-2012, 01:10 PM

Are you serious? I just took a screw driver to my droid 2 global with an ALREADY cracked screen and hit it as hard as I can with both the pointy end and the handle. It didnt do shit.. I hit it way harder than him too lol.

Mike, you wont win. Do me a favor and take your Nokia and put it in between your fender and hood near the grill and drop the hood from all the way up and tell me what happens.

Mikes2nd

05-22-2012, 11:07 AM

ictponder

05-22-2012, 11:21 AM

Verizon and Samsung are out there buying the Lumia search words :) thats funny

Verizon and Samsung buying Nokia Lumia search keywords on Twitter | WMPoweruser (http://wmpoweruser.com/verizon-and-samsung-buying-nokia-lumia-search-keywords-on-twitter/)

That really sucks because I was hoping Verizon would start carrying Nokia again when they push Windows Phone 8 later this year.

Mikes2nd

05-27-2012, 05:36 PM

Sunday times Windows 7 best OS...

Nokia Lumia 900 rated as “Best for Operating System” by Sunday Times UK | WMPoweruser (http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-900-rated-as-best-for-operating-system-by-sunday-times-uk/)

And yes a dark knight edition lumia I would actually buy... :(
Nokia Lumia 900 Dark Knight Rises special edition coming to UK | News | TechRadar (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-lumia-900-dark-knight-rises-special-edition-coming-to-uk-1082182)

Mikes2nd

05-29-2012, 01:09 PM

More smokings... they actually record each one now? smoking iphones and galaxys like they are nothing...

The facebooks challenges are like shooting ducks in a barrell... the integration kills them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jbGsomEaL5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-0Viki2UDU

eljefefx

05-29-2012, 01:31 PM

Mike, do you like your phone?

Alan92RTTT

05-29-2012, 02:03 PM

The fact that MS has to come up with staged challenges that are setup in such a way that their phone will "look better/faster" tells me all I need to know about it.

And its a slow day so I am hoping our resident MS fanboi will respond with something funny for me to read.

NickS VR4

05-29-2012, 02:16 PM

Agreed. I bet I can set up my phone to beat any of those MS phones if I was told the task ahead of time, that way it would be a fair race. Certain things I just don't care to have setup on my day to day layout. I don't even have the Facebook app installed which would allow me quick uploads because I don't care about that.

Boost4VR4

05-29-2012, 03:13 PM

I just got the Nokia Lumia 900 I like the phone quite a bit more than my Samsung Focus. The Nokia Lumia 900 is quite fast... I haven't crashed it yet...Although it does have a GPS glitch, if I run the Nokia Drive software and then close it like normal and open up the Maps application the GPS signal gets turned off forcing me to reboot the phone to get it back.

Mikes2nd

05-29-2012, 03:21 PM

Mike, do you like your phone?

Its pretty good, no problems at all so far, and I pocketed 100$ for owning it.

I did realize, wait I am in michigan with GPS and I didnt download the Michigan maps... But it can't read my mind. I just used the online version.

Staged or not, it shows the phone is faster in many everyday tasks. You can't deny that, and no you can't just setup your phone to do these tasks faster unless you want to spend days programming better integration into Android, you going to hack a dedicated camera button on your android? :) Apple doesn't even come into the equation. You simply wait for the app to load... It just shows Windows Phone is fast, no spending hours trying to mimick its speed, it just goes, day one out the box. He isn't using a tweaked phone, running a stock phone.

NickS VR4

05-29-2012, 03:28 PM

My original Droid had Camera button, and I can turn one of my volume buttons into a camera launcher and shutter button if I so choose. No matter how you look at it no phone can beat an open source phone that has the developer community that the GNex does. Even if it has a feature that is better, it will eventually be programmed into the GNex. That is the beauty of the open development the GNex has available to it.

eljefefx

05-29-2012, 03:32 PM

Its pretty good, no problems at all so far, and I pocketed 100$ for owning it.

Good. Then stop talking about it like you just hooked up with a fucking supermodel. It's a goddamned phone.

Alan92RTTT

05-29-2012, 04:37 PM

You can't deny that, and no you can't just setup your phone to do these tasks faster unless you want to spend days programming better integration into Android, you going to hack a dedicated camera button on your android? :)
I've watched this silly test videos and know that I'd fail because I don't even have the apps on my home screen. I'd have to go digging for anything that my camera. My camera that is one button push and a swipe away. I prefer the dual action so that accidental contact in my pocket does not end up taking picks or doing other things.

Good. Then stop talking about it like you just hooked up with a fucking supermodel. It's a goddamned phone.You've know Mikey for how many years? He's been a MS nutswinger for all the years I've know him. He'll come back with a poorly reasoned response not matter what anyone says. It will end in some variation of "MS is better/Intel is better/OSU is better" no matter what the truth his. I like to poke him from time to time just to see the response.

Boost_it

05-29-2012, 04:55 PM

Lol.. I have a few friends win laptops at the Windows store from beating the Windows Phone Test.. I can't wait to do this challenge once the windows store opens here in Austin, TX. My vivid can smoke them. Used to work with AT&T so I've got experience on all the MS line up.

Mikes2nd

05-29-2012, 05:04 PM

Hes full of shit. With my HTC Sensation, I can take a picture locked by swiping the icon, take the picture and the upload button is on the bottom, hit facebook and done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEGnCcTMLfs&feature=relmfu

HTC Lock Screen functionality is nice...

except it wont register what you want to do on the sensation and all the other bugs that you get when you buy a HTC...

How many videos of HTC issues should I post?

HTC phones are giant pos's... ive owned them I know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1BlXZQDrU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_H0VhszfRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVhWSPntDGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgpjmQyqYXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkT8aJpMxT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IE0y4MgEzU

Mikes2nd

05-29-2012, 05:07 PM

blah blah blah... angry.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vI6LGR352yE/TKdkHZwFB1I/AAAAAAAAAD4/WfSXVzw3Btw/s1600/1283636575276.jpg

NickS VR4

05-29-2012, 05:08 PM

Mikes2nd

05-29-2012, 05:28 PM

Like everyone said, you cannot win in Mike's mind.

Mike, I have a question for you. Do you agree or disagree that being how open the GNex is, any speed or functionality that the MS phone has can be programmed into the GNex if it was wanted?

My answer is yes, which would make it just as fast, or faster (better hardware). So until we get past that point, we are going in circles.

Android fanboi's responses are hilarious.

Get to programming. I would suggest you go work for Google though, you would get good pay and great perks... :)

p.s... this is too easy...

NickS VR4

05-29-2012, 05:37 PM

You claim troll, bit I know you actually believe what you say unlike a troll.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Mikes2nd

06-05-2012, 03:19 PM

Windows Phone hits 100,000 apps.

According to data published by AllAboutWindowsPhone, using their in-house Marketplace tracking system, the Windows Phone Marketplace now boasts a healthy catalogue of apps / games. 100,000 to be almost precise. It has taken just 20 months to accumulate the total, which is four months quicker than Android, but slightly behind iOS at 16 months. Data shows that approximately 300 apps are being added to the Marketplace on a daily basis.

NickS VR4

06-05-2012, 03:33 PM

Android 4.0 for Droid Razr delayed, Verizon says June 12 | Crave - CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57447129-1/android-4.0-for-droid-razr-delayed-verizon-says-june-12/?tag=mncol;7n)

onebadmollafolla

06-05-2012, 03:36 PM

Android 4.0 for Droid Razr delayed, Verizon says June 12 | Crave - CNET (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57447129-1/android-4.0-for-droid-razr-delayed-verizon-says-june-12/?tag=mncol;7n)

I'm waiting for the Galaxy S III on 4.0 to come out here shortly. 32GB with SD storage and 1.5 GHz dual core with 2 GB of RAM. They are already taking preorders for them at VZW. Get em' while you can!

NickS VR4

06-05-2012, 03:38 PM

Yea, the SIII looks like a nice phone. I don't personally like the RAZR because of the locked down bootloader. I assume the SIII will be an unlocked phone like the GNex?

onebadmollafolla

06-05-2012, 03:44 PM

Yea, the SIII looks like a nice phone. I don't personally like the RAZR because of the locked down bootloader. I assume the SIII will be an unlocked phone like the GNex?

I think it will still have Samsung's Touch Wiz interface. Personally, I don't mind it at all.

NickS VR4

06-05-2012, 03:46 PM

iPhone vs. Android vs. Windows Phone: Which Smartphone Is Best For You? (Windows Phone Edition) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/iphone-android-windows-phone_n_1504661.html)

SO, WHO SHOULD BUY A WINDOWS PHONE?
First: Windows Phone is the best operating system for a smartphone newbie, someone who wants a simple smartphone that is easy to use and that can make calls, check email and surf the Internet. This person doesn't download a lot of apps or need to customize his or her phone or unlock it or anything: He or she just wants the basics of the smartphone in a beautiful, simple package. That's the meat-and-potatoes Windows Phone market, the shoppers who should most seriously be looking at Windows Phones.
Others who should be looking at Windows Phone include those with Hotmail accounts and those who do lots of work with Microsoft software. Those who value strong, clean design and hipness in their gadgets might also consider Windows Phone.
It's still difficult, however, for me to recommend Windows Phone over Android or iOS. This might change in a year, but right now the iPhone and especially Android just offer a far more robust, complete set of features and applications for buyers. Windows Phone -- despite its splendid aesthetics and smooth operation -- feels about a year away from being truly on level with Android and iPhone for a heavy smartphone user.

NickS VR4

06-08-2012, 10:11 AM

Want to just throw this out there. Just installed Slim ICS 4.0 on my GNex w/ apex launcher. Changed from Gummy. All I can say is wow. Didn't think it could get much better. So far battery life is amazing, it is very fast and feels like it has everything I need with nothing extra.

Have tried Gummy, CM9, AOKP, and Codename Android. So far Slim ICS is my favorite, followed by Gummy w/ lean kernel.

Having these options to tweak and modify a device better than any manufacturer can, that's why I love my device.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

ictponder

06-08-2012, 10:46 AM

NickS VR4

06-08-2012, 10:53 AM

Have you tried LiquidSmooth? Slim is definitely a sweet looking UI

Have not, but heard good things about it when it was on the OG Droid.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

ictponder

06-20-2012, 02:51 PM

Windows Phone 8 Officially Announced

New Windows Phone Start Screen (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8-introduces-new-start-screen/)

Windows Phone 8 Enterprise Features (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8-enterprise-features/)

Microsoft bring NFC payment and loyalty cards to Windows Phone (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-brings-nfc-payments-and-loyalty-cards-to-windows-phone/)

Internet Explorer 10 for Windows Phone (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-internet-explorer-10-for-windows-phone-very-s/)

Live Microsoft Windows Phone Event (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/live-microsoft-windows-phone-event/)

Legacy Windows Phone Devices will not get Windows Phone 8, get 7.8 update (Windows Phone 8 minus 3 features)instead (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/microsoft-unveils-windows-phone-7-8-for-legacy-devices/)

Jenkins

06-20-2012, 03:27 PM

I was watching the live blogcast on the verge. I am pretty excited about the update and wp8.

HilbillyHomeboy

06-20-2012, 03:40 PM

And this is exactly why I said the Lumia 900 would not do that well. There's NO point in buying it when WP8 is right around the corner. rofl.

Jeremy

Zaroth

06-20-2012, 04:02 PM

onebadmollafolla

06-20-2012, 04:05 PM

No Windows Phone 8 upgrade for current devices | Mobile - CNET News (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57456655-94/no-windows-phone-8-upgrade-for-current-devices/?tag=mncol;txt)

Lolz to anybody that recently bought one of the Lumia's. Brand new and already out of date.

That's Windows Mobile for you. No Windows 6 devices were able to upgrade to Win 7. This is no surprise. If you want devices that can upgrade with current platforms go Android.

ictponder

06-20-2012, 04:31 PM

That's Windows Mobile for you. No Windows 6 devices were able to upgrade to Win 7. This is no surprise. If you want devices that can upgrade with current platforms go Android.

Android is the most fragmented OS out there. You cannot upgrade any Gingerbread device to ICS for example. Current Windows Phone users will get an update to 7.8, which will make legacy devices look identical to Windows Phone 8 but will not utilize multi-core or additional screen resolution support. The only thing that legacy users are really going to miss out on is backwards compatibility for apps designed for Windows Phone 8, which really sucks.

All in all, I agree with what Microsoft is doing here. They are giving a pretty good incentive for people to upgrade to a Windows Phone 8 device, which is always the goal of manufacturers. I remember when I bought my 50" plasma, 3 months later Samsung released a new TV that put mine to shame for the same price. Anyone who was smart enough, did not jump on the Lumia 900 and decided to wait for Windows Phone 8.

I don't see how Microsoft is behaving any different than any other competitor in this regard atm.