Tires/Wheels for a 700hp setup

[FeaRpb]

Hey guys, I was talking in chat the other day and thought I would make a thread about it.

What would be a good set of tires for a 17x9.5 wheel. Looking for good traction on the street and also in the rain.

Let me know what you guys think. I don't know much about tires.

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[Valhallaz]

If you're looking for a great all season tire, I'd highly recommend the continental DWS's. They stick to anything, wet, dry or frozen, and with 40k on mine, I'm pretty confident these are the first tires I've owned in 37 years of driving that I'll get 70k+ on...
In 17's they should be pretty reasonable, price wise.

[MR2]

Continental's :)

[Permanent grin]

I had good experiences with these (http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-t1r-ultra-high-performance-summer-tires)in a 255/45/17. I managed to cut a 1.6 60' on an unprepared concrete track with them. They are pretty good in the wet too.

André

[MeTarzan]

Cont. DWS all day every day!!! They are one of the very few UHP 4 season tire and they stick like glue and are all around prefect tires for the street.

[R/T93]

Direzza star spec dunlops will embarrass those contis in every situation except road noise.

[FeaRpb]

Keep it up guys, this is some good info.


Also the wheels I am wanting to get are 17x9.5 Advan RS's

[anyonebutme]

Not sure how well they do in the wet, but Hankook RS3's and Nitto NT01's are decently sticky for "street/cheater slick" tires, but are mostly designed for track work so not sure how well they work in a drag/autoX enviroment. If you're truly trying to stick 700HP down, I wouldn't even be shopping anything in a harder compound than the Star Specs.

[green-lantern]

I've been real happy with the Hankook Ventus V12 evo's. Been really good in the rain and seem pretty damn good when it's cold out also.

Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110 (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ventus+V12+evo+K110)

[MeTarzan]

Direzza star spec dunlops will embarrass those contis in every situation except road noise.

Well of course they might one up them due to the fact that they are a summer tire and the DWS are a 4 season (not All season) Im just going by my own experience and from riding in my buddies 10sec evo and even in the snow the DWS's didnt want to spin very much without a lot of persuasion.

[green-lantern]

Well of course they might one up them due to the fact that they are a summer tire and the DWS are a 4 season (not All season) Im just going by my own experience and from riding in my buddies 10sec evo and even in the snow the DWS's didnt want to spin very much without a lot of persuasion.

In fairness the OP didn't mention all season, just rain, but also the dunlops are quite a bit more $$$ than most tires mentioned here.

[TurboSinceBirth]

Now I just need to find some 18" Volk GT-Cs and I'll have more tire options. I like my 19" Volks just not all too crazy about the price tag on tires or thinner sidewall for high performance.

[Valhallaz]

I'll grant that the Dunlop's perform better on dry, but the Conti's are no slouches. I'd have to see the Dunlops embarrass the Conti's on a moderately wet road to believe it.

And IMHO, the Conti's will outlast 2 of the Dunlops... At a lower price.

It's all in what the op's looking for. Choices are a good thing, and both are certainly tires worth considering.

[anyonebutme]

He asked to stick 700HP.....don't think "what's a better value" is on his mind, or at least shouldn't be.

[R/T93]

A 700 HP car should not have all seasons on it, ever. Put snow tires on in winter if you are concerned, otherwise, yes, the dunlops even whoop ass in heavy heavy rain.

Im just saying, the tire has thousands of wins across the country for street tire class cars for the SCCA, it's been out 4+ years, nothing has knocked it off its pedestal

[Valhallaz]

My mistake. I'd assumed from the op's post that he was looking for a year round street tire. And where I live, a summer tire wouldn't even be an option in winter.

That would be why I'd started my recommendation with "If you're looking for a great all season tire...".

[FeaRpb]

I live on the coast of south Texas.

If it isn't sunny outside its raining. We really don't have winter down here, and if we do it only gets down to the 30's and it MIGHT ice over once a year. Other than that it is warm, like this past week, it has been in the 70-82f range.

[IPD]

5th-ed on the conti xtrme DWS. i love my 285's.


Now I just need to find some 18" Volk GT-Cs and I'll have more tire options. I like my 19" Volks just not all too crazy about the price tag on tires or thinner sidewall for high performance.

what kind of volks? what width? i have 18" gt-c's....

[TurboSinceBirth]

what kind of volks? what width? i have 18" gt-c's....

19" staggered GT-Cs flat black courtesy of the previous owner. It has grown on me and the original finish was all scratched up from some idiots I guess. I believe they're 19x9 up front and 19x10 out back. I'd have to double check since I believe they're not 8.5 and 9.5. I don't remember what the offsets were either. I basically want to go wider on the tires and I'm still debating whether I should ditch the smaller sidewalls of a 19" rim. I like the way the size looks on the cars.

I had 265/35/R18 tires on my 18x9 wheels and liked that size. My friend ended up getting that setup for his Mustang. Right now I only have 245 or 255s on the 19s can't remember which. I would go with a 275/30 or 285/30 if it would fit all the way around without hitting the spring perches. I'm getting some new coilovers though. I going from a 30 aspect ratio to a 35 really isn't too much of an improvement. Until I decide what to do performance wise with my Stealth I probably won't make a decision on the wheels. I need to get some rear adjustable control arms first so the car can at least get aligned properly since the previous owners completely neglected that.

[MR2]

New Coilovers aye.

[IPD]

19" staggered GT-Cs flat black courtesy of the previous owner. It has grown on me and the original finish was all scratched up from some idiots I guess. I believe they're 19x9 up front and 19x10 out back. I'd have to double check since I believe they're not 8.5 and 9.5. I don't remember what the offsets were either. I basically want to go wider on the tires and I'm still debating whether I should ditch the smaller sidewalls of a 19" rim. I like the way the size looks on the cars.

I had 265/35/R18 tires on my 18x9 wheels and liked that size. My friend ended up getting that setup for his Mustang. Right now I only have 245 or 255s on the 19s can't remember which. I would go with a 275/30 or 285/30 if it would fit all the way around without hitting the spring perches. I'm getting some new coilovers though. I going from a 30 aspect ratio to a 35 really isn't too much of an improvement. Until I decide what to do performance wise with my Stealth I probably won't make a decision on the wheels. I need to get some rear adjustable control arms first so the car can at least get aligned properly since the previous owners completely neglected that.

well crap. wasn't looking for staggered, and i really want to put 285's on all 4 corners.

[TurboSinceBirth]

New Coilovers aye.

Yes sir. :) I ordered some SCE EVO adapters and Apexi S1 coilovers from Philip so we'll see how those work out. I really don't care for these K-Sports on the car. Megans ride better and TEINs, well... that's debatable since I didn't care for those either. I'm looking for a little better ride than the Megans. Originally I was going to go for the KW V3s but decided to try out the Apexi S1s. I know they'll have a better ride on the street just not as stiff of performance on the track which doesn't bother me. I don't road race my car. I just don't want it to squat when it's launched or roll as bad in the turns like it has in the past even with lowering springs. If this isn't what I'm looking for I will go ahead and try a custom Bilstein setup. I just wasn't looking forward to all the time, customization, money, and energy spent to create such a system considering I'm not driving a purpose built track car.


well crap. wasn't looking for staggered, and i really want to put 285's on all 4 corners.

I can probably fit 265s on all corners maybe even bigger. I really haven't taken any measurements. I guess by the time I got wider tires it would be costing me around $2-300 more per set of tires over the same size in 18" while I'd only be picking up a minute amount in sidewall width. Shipping alone trading a set of wheels would eat up most of that cost so I'll probably just end up keeping them on the car. I have a set of 18x9.5 +35 FN01RCs for track tires I plan to keep and then I should probably sell off the other two sets of wheels I have. Indecisiveness sucks. :(

[arm0red1]

I live on the coast of south Texas.

If it isn't sunny outside its raining. We really don't have winter down here, and if we do it only gets down to the 30's and it MIGHT ice over once a year. Other than that it is warm, like this past week, it has been in the 70-82f range.


Bastard!! Fuck this wisconsin and snow shit! To be fair though, its been a really warm winter up here around the 20s to 30s, pretty unusual for a place that hits below 0 well into march and sometimes april. Few years ago we hit - 40 and my talon wouldnt even crank over the oil was so viscous....

On topic though, dunlops. Dunlops dunlops dunlops. End. Im on my nexen3000's, and i hafta say theyre not bad for a track oriented all season on a 600+hp car, but if i had money to burn currently, and i felt like spoiling my car with the cadillac of car footwear, i would spring for the dunlops........................................... ......ooooon the factory chromies of course! Nothings more OG than the factory chromies :D

[terrets]

^What snow? :lol:

[MR2]

Yes sir. :) I ordered some SCE EVO adapters and Apexi S1 coilovers from Philip so we'll see how those work out. I really don't care for these K-Sports on the car. Megans ride better and TEINs, well... that's debatable since I didn't care for those either. I'm looking for a little better ride than the Megans. Originally I was going to go for the KW V3s but decided to try out the Apexi S1s. I know they'll have a better ride on the street just not as stiff of performance on the track which doesn't bother me. I don't road race my car. I just don't want it to squat when it's launched or roll as bad in the turns like it has in the past even with lowering springs. If this isn't what I'm looking for I will go ahead and try a custom Bilstein setup. I just wasn't looking forward to all the time, customization, money, and energy spent to create such a system considering I'm not driving a purpose built track car.



I can probably fit 265s on all corners maybe even bigger. I really haven't taken any measurements. I guess by the time I got wider tires it would be costing me around $2-300 more per set of tires over the same size in 18" while I'd only be picking up a minute amount in sidewall width. Shipping alone trading a set of wheels would eat up most of that cost so I'll probably just end up keeping them on the car. I have a set of 18x9.5 +35 FN01RCs for track tires I plan to keep and then I should probably sell off the other two sets of wheels I have. Indecisiveness sucks. :(

keep the FN01C's...they are purrrrrfect, just roll your guard lip so it has less to make contact with :) hell, I'd just throw some good all season tires on those :D

with the suspension, hehe long journey that one! :|

[TurboSinceBirth]

keep the FN01C's...they are purrrrrfect, just roll your guard lip so it has less to make contact with :) hell, I'd just throw some good all season tires on those :D

with the suspension, hehe long journey that one! :|

I plan to keep them. I know wide tires will fit on them if not the Volks. I'll probably powdercoat them gunmetal or something like that since the finish is barely starting to flake off. I still have a new set of 265/35/R18 Hankook RS2 tires in my garage I bought on closeout awhile ago I may just throw on the fnorks considering in the last 9k miles on the new tires it has worn some off the inner edge on the 19s because nobody knew how to setup camber properly with a lowered car. My friend wanted to work out a trade for me on the new tires since I gave him my 18x9 Pro N1s with 265 tires for his Mustang in exchange for some work, but if I need tires I'd rather use the new set I have than spend another $1-1.2k right away. I'm bound to have traction issues eventually and will have to decide whether I want to go down to 18s with drag radials. Had I not been upgrading to a 332mm Stoptech kit on the front I'd probably use some 17s with drag radials. The 17x9 fnorks and 17x8.5 Enkei RPF01s just don't quite have enough room for clearance with wheel weights to be comfortable. It either rubs or is too close to rubbing so I'll stick to 18s at least.

As for the suspension yeah it could still be an even longer journey but I'll get what I want eventually. Before I was going for big power now I'm settling for something less focusing more on drivetrain and suspension mods. I can have more fun going slower with traction. :)

[mcshooter]

Bridgestone EUROPE (http://www.bridgestone.eu/tyres/tyre-advice/eu-tyre-labeling) a lot better tire info ,, new law in europe

[Turbo Beast]

Bridgestone EUROPE (http://www.bridgestone.eu/tyres/tyre-advice/eu-tyre-labeling) a lot better tire info ,, new law in europe

Noting new about all the laws in Europe Shooter :) Tires in Europe are lots more expensive (still changes per country though)

[mcshooter]

still a lot easier for folks to understand , better than traction a or b and temp and a tread wear number which is 80%of the advertized mileage..

[mcshooter]

Continental Tires -What does the EU Tire Label tell you? (http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/automobile/themes/tirelabel/eu_label_movie_en.html)

[FeaRpb]

So far I am leaning towards the dunlops. Keep feeding me info lol.

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[mcshooter]

dont know about the dunlop tires but one time we had about 30 dunlop molds brougth in for inspection to be used and all of them were so far out of spec they would of been scrapped in our plants.. this was about 10 years ago ..the vendor at the time that was manufacturing there molds was discredited from making any of our molds

[R/T93]

Fear if you want a TRUE street tire get the dunlop, if you want something that is going to be even on the next level, as ABM said, the Nitto NT01 or Toyo RA-1 are it. These tires could be driven even in heavy rain if they are relatively new (full tread depth) and even half worn I would RACE them on a WET road but not through standing water.

However, they are going to be very loud and pick up rocks and throw them all around your wheel wells and sideskirts like mad. If thats what you are looking for, NT01's are on EBAY and arent even that expensive considering you are getting a race tire (60 treadwear rating) that will last 5-7k on the street.

If you have never drove a vehicle with R compound tires you will smile a big smile the first time you enter a turn at speed. On ramps you could do 50 mph on the street tire now can do at 55-57 mph. It doesnt sound like much but its about 50% more grip to go that much faster through a turn. I have lots of fun when I drive my Hoosiers home after an autocross :)

Gotta be careful though, these tires wont scream and squeal like a street tire will. If you are headed off the road in a straight line with a handful of lock the tires arent going to let you know you are going to crash, lol. Their limit is just that, a limit, then your lifeline breaks and you fly off the course :)

[FeaRpb]

So many choices lol.

[MeTarzan]

I dont have any personal experience with these but ran into a friend that has them on his z06 and really likes them...Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 they only have a 180 A A rating so they gotta be really sticky

[Jenkins]

I think we need a little more info on what you plan on doing with the car. Do you plan on going to the drag races? Maybe a little auto x? Maybe some road course? Or maybe none of the above. More info could help us find a tore that will closer match the use of your car.

[FeaRpb]

I stated this.


Looking for good traction on the street and also in the rain.

[J. Fast]

I run Dunlop Sport MAXX. I have 15K on them and so far they've worked great for me. They come standard on an Audi S8 BTW.

[Jenkins]

I stated this.

Ok I can vouch for Continental Contact DW (not the DWS), and Goodyear Eagle F1s. The eagles are scary good in the rain but the Continentals aren't too far behind. They both tested pretty good on tirerack for overall performance.

[IPD]

Ok I can vouch for Continental Contact DW (not the DWS), and Goodyear Eagle F1s. The eagles are scary good in the rain but the Continentals aren't too far behind. They both tested pretty good on tirerack for overall performance.

i don't think i could break my 285 dws's loose if it was pouring rain and i slammed on the brakes at 60 mph. seriously.

[R/T93]

i don't think i could break my 285 dws's loose if it was pouring rain and i slammed on the brakes at 60 mph. seriously.

Your brakes are in poor condition then. My stock brakes could lock up 335 hoosiers.

[FeaRpb]

I want something that wont spin like a bastard when I punch it in 2nd/3rd/4th on the highway.

[MR2]

lol, 285's on my car ended up giving me I'd say 20% more traction all round over my old cheap 245's

[MR2]

I want something that wont spin like a bastard when I punch it in 2nd/3rd/4th on the highway.

well, let me know if you find such a think exists... car's like yours around here end up on Semi slicks (888/A048 etc) local guys just don't do much driving in the wet :p

[IPD]

Your brakes are in poor condition then. My stock brakes could lock up 335 hoosiers.

rebuilt 2g tt calipers with new ceramic pads and drilled/slotted rotors, new braided lines, and fresh motul. capable of putting your forehead into the windshield--or of giving my wife a heart attack. i really don't think it's a brake problem.

[R/T93]

rebuilt 2g tt calipers with new ceramic pads and drilled/slotted rotors, new braided lines, and fresh motul. capable of putting your forehead into the windshield--or of giving my wife a heart attack. i really don't think it's a brake problem.

Your pads suck. Get some ax6's and you won't believe the difference.


OP, get the dunlops and be done with it. They are superb in the wet and the best in class in the dry. /thread

[anyonebutme]

I've locked up 265 michelin Pilot Sport CUPS with my 2G brakes at over 100MPH. Your pads suck. If you've not broken a set of rotors....you're not trying hard enough.

[Jenkins]

i don't think i could break my 285 dws's loose if it was pouring rain and i slammed on the brakes at 60 mph. seriously.

There is no doubt that the DWS are great tires and the DW are even better in my type of weather (LA). From my own experience driving through a large body of water on the freeway the Eagle F1 DS G3 have better hydroplaning resistance. I was on the freeway going faster then I should have been going and I came upon a large standing body of water. I didn't know what to do so I let off the gas and went through it. Water shot up everywhere but THE CAR DID NOT HYDRO PLANE, I was amazed. The DW feel very secure in the water but they don't give me the same feeling of adhesion to the road like the F1 GS D3 did.