Help me pick my rims!

[Rakuny]

I'm having a hard time deciding what wheels to get.. I sold my stockers with my winter tires as the car is no longer my DD.. I want to get 9 or 9.5" wide rims so I can fit a wider tire on them.. I've narrowed it down to my top 4 choices..

Work Wheels :: Products :: Emotion 11R (http://www.workwheelsusa.com/product.php?category=27&wheel=124)

Work Wheels :: Products :: Emotion CR-KAI (http://www.workwheelsusa.com/product.php?category=27&wheel=80)

Enkei High Quality Wheels - Racing Series : PF01 (http://ww.enkei.com/pf01.html)

17X9.5 ROTA GRID WHEELS 5X114.3 RIMS 30MM SPORT BRONZE | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/17X9-5-ROTA-GRID-WHEELS-5X114-3-RIMS-30MM-SPORT-BRONZE-/370453076357?hash=item5640b95985&item=370453076357&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr)

color would either be bronze, black, or silver for any of the rims

Edit: here are a couple pics of the car they will be going on

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/923/30390125050630844906100.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/30390125050630844906100.jpg/)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2985/26733724859040182426110.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/151/26733724859040182426110.jpg/)

.. the paint color sure is interesting in different light...

[IPD]

19" black rims. go with deep black tint & blacked out turns/tails. it will look great.

[Rakuny]

I'm sticking with 17's

[IPD]

if you do it for price/performance, i respect that. i will say from personal experience that 18's look blithely small with 285 tires.

[Ange]

why 17? looks tiny in the huge wheelwells of a 3000gt

I would go with Emotion CR-KAI in 18" bronze.

sportcars today has 20"+ generally so even 18 and 19 is considered small. 17 is very small.

[R/T93]

19 inch tires have a pathetic selection, also they are often more expensive than 20" tires....
Staying 17s is fine. If you want to fill up the wheelwell more get a taller tire.

I don't think you should concern yourself with what other people think is a "small rim".

Go out to an autocross or road race event. You will see plenty of cars that came with "big" wheels from the factory running much smaller custom wheels. They do it for a reason and don't really care how it looks.

WELD wheels have come out with forged wheels in the last couple years, they have any combination of width and offset and bolt pattern you can imagine. They look pretty good, too, but are 5-600 a piece. Similar looks to CCW's

[Rakuny]

I'm sticking with 17's because I'm going to be doing a lot of track days with the car. The tires I want go from being $700 a set to $1300 a set.. I could possibly be going through a set every year :dontknow2:. The cost factor is just not worth the looks factor to me.

Edit: I haven't looked into it much, but if the time comes to look at some DOT approved competition tires, or hell even slicks, I'm sure the cost goes up even more.

[R/T93]

I'm sticking with 17's because I'm going to be doing a lot of track days with the car. The tires I want go from being $700 a set to $1300 a set.. I could possibly be going through a set every year :dontknow2:. The cost factor is just not worth the looks factor to me.

Edit: I haven't looked into it much, but if the time comes to look at some DOT approved competition tires, or hell even slicks, I'm sure the cost goes up even more.

A guy named jpjp on bimmerforums.com sells a TON of used racing tires every year, look him up, check his selection, give him a call :)
I will be buying some this spring.

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[CoopKill]

another thing to think about is that if you are going to upgrade to a BBK you will most likely need 18" wheels...

[bluzvr4]

i have dr31's and they look alot like your works up there to see what they look like on our car. out of those choices i would pic the first

[IPD]

another thing to think about is that if you are going to upgrade to a BBK you will most likely need 18" wheels...

QFT

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[JasonY]

332 stoptechs fit under 17" wheels.

Jason

[Rakuny]

yup, the 332 stop techs will fit the PF01's (verified with a rep at Enkei)
I haven't verified fitment on the Works, but they are made to fit BBK's
The Rota's fit evo brakes and should clear the ST40 calipers fine

[JasonY]

Well, i guess i should give my opinion on le wheels. Id got for the grids.

Jason

[B-Man]

Basically any but the first.

I do like the Rota looking wheels on shmoo's car.

[DK77]

Shmoo's are Rota P45Rs basically the same thing except his are 5 spoke.

I like the Rotas best, then the CR-KAIs, then the PF01s. The 11Rs just don't do it for me.

[Ange]

Shmoo's are Rota P45Rs basically the same thing except his are 5 spoke.

I like the Rotas best, then the CR-KAIs, then the PF01s. The 11Rs just don't do it for me.

P45's are very nice I have them. only problem is that the offsets are not perfect for our cars. they poke abit. Rears poke 1 or 2 cm. fronts poke even more.

[Rakuny]

I decided to get the Rota version of the CR-KAI's.. I can get those rims with the tires I want for the same price of as the WORKs. The car is going to get driven hard, if I break a rim cheaper replacements would be nice.. they are both cast.

[DK77]

A VR4 around here has those. Rota Torque IIRC. They look pretty good.

[Rakuny]

Yup rota torque's, specifically I'll be getting these..
17X9 ROTA TORQUE 5X114.3 MM 30MM OFFSET SPORT BRONZE | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/17X9-ROTA-TORQUE-5X114-3-MM-30MM-OFFSET-SPORT-BRONZE-/370528009774?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item564530be2e)

[B-Man]

FYI, I've heard both extremes as to Rota quality. Hopefully you get a good set.

[Rakuny]

FYI, I've heard both extremes as to Rota quality. Hopefully you get a good set.

yah, I've seen that too, any rim can break though.. I've heard of advan's bending the first track day. Plenty of road race and time attack guys run rota's I'm not too concerned about it.

[Psychotron]

I have the rota torques, offset is nice, if you lower the car expect to roll the rear fenders. If you want pics I have plenty in my garage thing on here.

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[Rakuny]

I have the rota torques, offset is nice, if you lower the car expect to roll the rear fenders. If you want pics I have plenty in my garage thing on here.

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Car looks really good, I like the orange a lot.
Are you running a staggered set-up? the rear rims look more concave than the front, could just be the pictures though.

[anyonebutme]

Be careful with trying to get a wide wheel inside the well using offset for track use. You are not going to be able to run the proper amount of camber on a 9.5+ wide wheel and coilovers without a wheel that will poke at street camber.

[Psychotron]

Car looks really good, I like the orange a lot.
Are you running a staggered set-up? the rear rims look more concave than the front, could just be the pictures though.

Yeah they are staggered, they were used and I got a good deal on them. I got them cause of the looks and price not really for racing. With my ksports, 1 finger wheel gap and the 275 rear tires it makes the camber off, couldnt tell you by how much but not anything crazy like the "stance" guys do.

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[fullracegt]

im kinda bias,i have a set of enkei rpf1's 17 8.5 +40offset. they sit flush with the body and only weigh 15.89lbs a piece.
i really like the rota design but at that offset the wheel sticks out too much for my taste and i dont know how those are as far as weight.imo its kind of pointless to get 17's if your not concerned about weight minda as well go with an 18". I say go with the enkei's best wheel you have listed as far weight,quality and price.

-matt

[Psychotron]

im kinda bias,i have a set of enkei rpf1's 17 8.5 +40offset. they sit flush with the body and only weigh 15.89lbs a piece.
i really like the rota design but at that offset the wheel sticks out too much for my taste and i dont know how those are as far as weight.imo its kind of pointless to get 17's if your not concerned about weight minda as well go with an 18". I say go with the enkei's best wheel you have listed as far weight,quality and price.

-matt

The rotas fit perfectly flush with the fenders making them a perfect fit. I dont see how that would be sticking out too far. I would agree with you on 18's though, really your only benefit of 17" wheels is that tires are cheaper, maybe slightly lighter.

[wingnut]

you cant go wrong with Rotas, we have been running them under a +700whp car for years now and never had an issue...

http://www.gstmotorsports.com/home/images/stories/Redline/infineon/RTA%20Infineon%20release%20image.jpg

http://www.gstmotorsports.com/home/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=275&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=52beeede829706a603f6c8da3ef542fa

http://www.gstmotorsports.com/home/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1485&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=52beeede829706a603f6c8da3ef542fa

...and these things have been on the track, off the track, in the air, and even thumped a few curbs ;)

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/47676/2530894660031324894S500x500Q85.jpg

and i disagree on the P45 being an issue, im running +30 and they are PERFECT :D

[Ange]

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/47676/2530894660031324894S500x500Q85.jpg

and i disagree on the P45 being an issue, im running +30 and they are PERFECT :D
Perfect if you don't have problem with them sticking out a couple of cm. With ciancis fenders they would sit perfect I think. Too bad the rear ciancis is such a PITA to install.

[Rakuny]

im kinda bias,i have a set of enkei rpf1's 17 8.5 +40offset. they sit flush with the body and only weigh 15.89lbs a piece.
i really like the rota design but at that offset the wheel sticks out too much for my taste and i dont know how those are as far as weight.imo its kind of pointless to get 17's if your not concerned about weight minda as well go with an 18". I say go with the enkei's best wheel you have listed as far weight,quality and price.

-matt

the 17x9" wide RPF1's don't fit the 332mm stoptech's. the PF01's do and are 18lbs a piece.. the rota torques are 20lbs.


The reason for 17's is tire cost. I can get a set of hankook RS3's for $550. I could get direzza star specs for $680 or NT05's for $700. If I went 18's the cost goes up quite a bit. Direzza's are then $1200, RS3's and NT05's are just over $1k. I can think of better things to spend the money on instead of being concerned that 17's look too small in our wheel wells, especially on a recurring cost item like tires.

[wingnut]

Perfect if you don't have problem with them sticking out a couple of cm.

2cm= .78 inch
3cm= 1.18 inch

i would ask what offset you think you have, and what tire size you are running...

...cause if you have an inch of poke i would venture to guess you either have +20mm or a fat tire ;)

[CoopKill]

I am guessing he meant MM, which if is the case it's nothing a little camber couldn't correct.

[vr4tune]

Perfect if you don't have problem with them sticking out a couple of cm. With ciancis fenders they would sit perfect I think. Too bad the rear ciancis is such a PITA to install.


2cm= .78 inch
3cm= 1.18 inch

i would ask what offset you think you have, and what tire size you are running...

...cause if you have an inch of poke i would venture to guess you either have +20mm or a fat tire ;)


I am guessing he meant MM, which if is the case it's nothing a little camber couldn't correct.


Stock 18x8.5 with a 46mm offset
Rota 17x9.5 with a 30mm offset

1/2 inch=12.7mm + the added 16mm offset

Equals= 18.7mm (0.736 inches) more poke than stock.

Conclusion: Yes I think he is right about a couple cm of poke. Bill as you know I poke a slight bit with a +45 on a 9 inch wide rim with 245 tires. That is according to your plumb bob.

[wingnut]

aw crap, now you went and threw MM into the mix :p

now im gonna have to go measure mine, since i KNOW i dont have a inch of poke...

..but either way, i guess its a moot point since the OP already bought em?!?

[CoopKill]

eh, either way I am getting some 18x9 et40's or 18x10 et30's...

[wingnut]

eh, either way I am getting some 18x9 et40's or 18x10 et30's...

I've got a set of Motegi 18x10 forged for sale, light as shit, never driven on...

...but they are only +10, so you would definitely want a widebody :D

[Rakuny]

aw crap, now you went and threw MM into the mix :p

now im gonna have to go measure mine, since i KNOW i dont have a inch of poke...

..but either way, i guess its a moot point since the OP already bought em?!?

My build is coming down to the last few weeks and I just bought the rims yesterday.
Ended up going with the rota grids 17x9 +25, when it was time to buy I waited a day and knew what I really wanted, the vote helped me to feel confident with my choice and pull the trigger. They will probably poke an inch or so, nothing a little fender rolling can't fix!

[keo92stealth]

My build is coming down to the last few weeks and I just bought the rims yesterday.
Ended up going with the rota grids 17x9 +25, when it was time to buy I waited a day and knew what I really wanted, the vote helped me to feel confident with my choice and pull the trigger. They will probably poke an inch or so, nothing a little fender rolling can't fix!

18's to big o what?

[vr4tune]

My build is coming down to the last few weeks and I just bought the rims yesterday.
Ended up going with the rota grids 17x9 +25, when it was time to buy I waited a day and knew what I really wanted, the vote helped me to feel confident with my choice and pull the trigger. They will probably poke an inch or so, nothing a little fender rolling can't fix!

Your going to need some of these.

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/vr4tune/offset/8342cca3.jpg

To cover this

http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/vr4tune/offset/d62dcd01.jpg

[TurboSinceBirth]

Yeah they'll definitely stick out a little. I ran a +38 offset on a 9" wheel to sit flush with the fenders. Too bad you didn't want a set of Enkei RPF01s since I have some 17s.

[Rakuny]

I will be running a decent amount of negative camber and have access to a fender roller, I won't be worried about hitting.
I didn't want to go 18's because of the added tire cost.. most tires are $100 more in 18" than 17's

[IPD]

I will be running a decent amount of negative camber and have access to a fender roller, I won't be worried about hitting.
I didn't want to go 18's because of the added tire cost.. most tires are $100 more in 18" than 17's

depends on the width, i guess. when i paid $226 per tire for 285/35r18's...i was happy with that price.

[keo92stealth]

depends on the width, i guess. when i paid $226 per tire for 285/35r18's...i was happy with that price.

ive seen some drag radials at the price as well. 226 per tire of course.

[Rakuny]

I am gonna try a set of Hankook RS3's.. they are $144 per tire in 255/40R17 They are $25x per tire in 255/35R18
It was a similiar story when I was looking through any of the other tires I was interested in.
I'm sure it's a bigger difference because I'm looking at basically low grade competition tires.. not quite R comps but not quite DD material either (treadwear rating 100-200)

[R/T93]

I am gonna try a set of Hankook RS3's.. they are $144 per tire in 255/40R17 They are $25x per tire in 255/35R18
It was a similiar story when I was looking through any of the other tires I was interested in.
I'm sure it's a bigger difference because I'm looking at basically low grade competition tires.. not quite R comps but not quite DD material either (treadwear rating 100-200)

Good luck with the hankooks, they are all backordered.
Could get nt01's on eBay, maybe around 800 for that size.

[Rakuny]

hmm, Tire rack shows them as going to be available at warehouse May 5th

[B-Man]

Mark, FYI, if you're planning on running in Street tire class autocrosses:



From the May SCCA Fastrack:
The SEB is seeking member input on the possibility of changing the minimum treadwear rating for the Road Tire (RT) Supplemental classes to 200.

and

The SEB is seeking member input on the possibility of changing the minimum tire treadwear rating for ST to 200.


If they change it, they're gonna be screwing a lot of people. It's kinda holding me off from buying my Kuhmos

Also, if I understand right (so much confusion) swapping to a different dia wheel may bump you a class.

[Rakuny]

hmm.. so what do you guys think about the Nitto NT05's? I can get a set of 275/40 R17 for $800 mounted from discount..

[TurboSinceBirth]

Let me know if you want a set of 245/45R17 BFG g-force T/A tires. I sold the wheels and won't have a use for 17" tires since I'm getting rid of the 17" Enkei RPF01 wheels too. One tire has some camber wear on the outer edge but this is what the tread wear on the tires looks like: http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk184/Schuppenherz/Car%20parts/P1010530.jpg


I can get you some more pics. Make me an offer since they're just sitting in the corner.

[anyonebutme]

Hopefully APEX will be making us some 17" wheels to clear my awesome big brakes soon...

[Rakuny]

Got these on Friday
sorry turbosincebirth, I'm gonna pick up a set of NT05's

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2733/1003113n.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/1003113n.jpg/)

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7114/1003115g.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/1003115g.jpg/)

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4165/1003116d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/207/1003116d.jpg/)

[DK77]

OOOOOHHHH... I like it!

[DK77]

Hey man you need to post some pics with those bad boys on the car.

Also, any idea if the 17X9 +30 would fit over 2G brakes? I'm debating about going with 17s just to save a little cost but I want to make sure I won't have any problems with fitment first... buying wheels always scares me unless I know for sure they will fit.

[IPD]

Hey man you need to post some pics with those bad boys on the car.

Also, any idea if the 17X9 +30 would fit over 2G brakes? I'm debating about going with 17s just to save a little cost but I want to make sure I won't have any problems with fitment first... buying wheels always scares me unless I know for sure they will fit.

that would be about the first time i've heard of 17" fitting over 2g brakes. not saying it's impossible...but you're going to kick yourself trying.

[R/T93]

that would be about the first time i've heard of 17" fitting over 2g brakes. not saying it's impossible...but you're going to kick yourself trying.

There are lots of 17s that fit over them....
A wheel will be released soonish that will clear 355 stoptechs, 17.

94's came with 17s...

From the phone.

[anyonebutme]

Don't forget the Spyder wheels were 17 over 2G brakes as well.

[Rakuny]

Evo brembo's fit under certain 17's as well

I will post pics after I get the rear bumper back on.. need to make a rear crash bar first, should be by this weekend

[IPD]

There are lots of 17s that fit over them....
A wheel will be released soonish that will clear 355 stoptechs, 17.

94's came with 17s...

From the phone.

that's got to be one thin-ass caliper to fit under 17" with 355's. i'm aware of spyder wheels. what i don't ever recall seeing is aftermarket 17's that fit.

[anyonebutme]

that's got to be one thin-ass caliper to fit under 17" with 355's. i'm aware of spyder wheels. what i don't ever recall seeing is aftermarket 17's that fit.

I thought I already explained this to you in another thread.......forget already?

[DK77]

I know you can make the 1G Stealth wheels fit over 2G brakes if you grind down the calipers... but that is kinda dumb IMO. But looking at the design of the Rotas, I would think they would fit over 2G brakes even in 17

[IPD]

fine. whatever. i'm just saying that the general rule of thumb is that 17" for 1g; 18" for 2g. exceptions by the peril of the person attempting them. and 18" look small to me these days. 19" look better. i can't believe i'm saying that.

[DK77]

Yeah that is why I was trying to find out if anyone has done them or could at least test fit them to see. Strangely though, I have 19s currently and I want to go down to at least 18s

[Rakuny]

Took me a little bit longer to get pics than I thought, been rushing to make sure everything is good before NG.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1700/1003186km.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/1003186km.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9176/1003185wb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/1003185wb.jpg/)

[anyonebutme]

Now it'll be easy for me to meet you now I see a car to look for, lol.

[Rakuny]

lol, it really has come right down to it.. still taking care of all the last minute things. I'll be arriving Tuesday.

[anyonebutme]

my car is still hovering a foot off the ground......

[Rakuny]

didn't you auto-x recently? what's going on with it now?
Mine is going back and forth, drove it quite a bit today though

[anyonebutme]

didn't you auto-x recently? what's going on with it now?
Mine is going back and forth, drove it quite a bit today though

had a suspension bolt failure during the autoX with a blown rear shock, borrowed ecs struts for NG, and new brakes among a huge list of small stuff. Problem with just swapping suspension is my car wasn't setup for stock anything, so changing one part means changing 5 other things with it. Just reconfiguring the front sway bar for the new ride height (super 4x4 mode) alone burnt a day and it still smashes the axle at full droop. It's probably preloaded also, won't know until car is mobile so I can scale it again.

[Rakuny]

I had to cut the link length to clear my axles on the front (non OE axles are bigger DIA)

[DK77]

So did you need a spacer for these? and how much do they poke? Any chance I could get you to try and fit them on a car with 2G brakes LOL?

[Rakuny]

No spacer needed. These are the evo fitment +25 offset, they are made to clear the evo brembo's.. it looks close on the 1g calipers but the rotor diamater on the 2g is greater moving the caliper into an area with even more spoke clearance. I see no reason why they wouldn't clear.. I can take an angled picture if you like to show the room between the spokes and caliper. I haven't templated it, but I am quite confident these would clear the 332 stoptech's as well.

[DK77]

Thanks for the reply. I figured they would fit over the 2G calipers but it's nice to know for sure. And they should poke 1mm less than the 18X9.5 +30. If there is enough clearance I may have to look into doing the 17X9 +30 up front and the 17X9 +25 in back to help make them more equal with the fenders.