Attacked by a dog

[GTO Assassin]

Some of you might remember I got a new job a few weeks back. Well, it was bound to happen at some point or another, but I was attacked by a dog last Monday. I thought it would have happened in someones back yard while I was looking for the meter box, but it actually happened in the middle of the street. The dogs owner left it's gate open accidentally and the next thing I hear is this dog barking and running towards me. I stop still and it comes right up to me and just stands there. I'm looking at it (no idea whether it's a dude or dudette so I'm calling it an it) thinking, "this thing is going to have a go". I also remember reading in the office that if you think a dog is going to bite, stand still. So I do that for a bit but I've got shit to do. Can't stand here all day. So I talk to it real friendly like (not scared) and take one step forward and BANG! This thing bites my right calf and starts barking. I take the meter reader which is in my right hand and smash it over the fuckers head. I lose my grip and it falls to the road while the dog runs back to it's yard barking at me. I pick up the meter reader (which weighs around 3 or 4 pounds) and start looking for the owner. I see him running from behind his house out towards us. He must have heard me abusing his stupid dog. As he gets out the front I tell him he needs to put his stupid dog out the back as it just bit me. Then the fucking dog comes at me again and bites my leg, this time up a little higher - but same right leg. (fuck man, even me up a little please) Then somehow I've ended up on my backside with this thing coming at me. My right foot is in it's mouth, while my left foot is David Beckaming it upside it's head, trying to get the right foot free. It's owner (an old Greek guy) is trying to wrestle his dog away from me, while his wife (who doesn't speak any English) is trying to scare the dog away from me with her flip flop. WITH A FUCKING FLIP FLOP! I remember looking up and thinking, "what the fuck do you think a flip is going to do to a rabbid dog you idiot"? So anyways I get my foot out of it's mouth and the greek guy kind of has the dog, but he looks shakey. I lean forward and grab the dogs head by each ear and a large portion of fur and now it can't move. I slam the ugly things head into the ground and pin it. Now the Greek guy gets up and lays on her to calm her down. I wait inside their house while they lock it up out the back.

During all this, I wasn't ever really scared. The dog was ugly and a bit crazy, but I remember just being annoyed at the hold up. lol Had it been a German Shepherd or some kind of known guard dog, then maybe I would have been. I have no idea what this dog was. Looked like a Bitsa.

So I then picked up all my crap which fell out of my pockets and went on reading meters. You gotta soldier on people. :D

Thanks for reading if you made it this far.

Scotty

[DocWalt]

Geez dude. Wtf? Your luck is horrendous...

Did you get it checked out, or did it not break skin?

[stealthee]

Sorry to hear that Scotty. The last time I had a dog come at me like that I cold cocked it right in the side of the head. I hit it so hard I hurt my hand, but it wimpered off before it could do any damage to me.

A story that might make you laugh. Years ago when I lived in Ohio we had a miniature long haired daucshaund named Mitzi. She loved to bark at people. We had a fenced back yard but it wasn't all that secure and she could get out so when we put her out she was on a leash. Apparently, one day the meter reader was going around reading meters and hopped the back fence and Mitzi started barking and running toward him. She never could have reached him, but he jumped his ass back over the fence and came to the front door to be let through. :P

[CoreyB]

Think it sensed the roo fucker in you ? JK man, glad to hear you are ok. Sounds like a scary situation. I got bit pretty bad on my wrist when I was like 14, still have the scars.

[beepbeep]

Damn...I hated like hell to read this. I'm sorry it happened. Shit like that isn't funny. Scared the piss outta me when Chris got bit (think you guys saw the pics), but it definitely sounds like you had a round or two worse. Please get the wounds checked out and ensure the dog is up to date on his shots. Keep us posted.

[Ninja Performance]

I feel your pain. Literally. Sorry to hear. Hope it didn't do too much damage.

-Chris

[CoreyB]

Chris, are you healing up well?

[TT Eric]

Sorry to hear that man!

Eric

[beepbeep]

Chris, are you healing up well?

IMO, it looks really good. He's been keeping up with what the surgeon told him. The pain is his biggest issue, stabbing pains that come outta nowhere and he can't take anything for. :( We'll try to get some pics up soon in another thread.

[Streamline3s]

Try thinking of it in a better light...such as...he was just trying to give you kisses...with his teeth! :p Glad you're ok man.

[L_P]

That is aweful! The dog continuing to come after you is not a good sign. Whats worst is you didnt even come into the yard and it came after you. Curious on how much damage was caused. Hope you have a quick recovery!
-John

[Hemi417]

your a lot nicer than i am man.. good luck on the recovery

[green-lantern]

Sorry to hear this buddy.

Staying still is a good idea! the other thing is scare the fuck out of the dog. Why didn't you have mace or a knife or gun or broken bottle?

[GTO Assassin]

Geez dude. Wtf? Your luck is horrendous...

Did you get it checked out, or did it not break skin?
It broke the skin, but only a little. I noticed today there's a big ass bruise where he got me twice so I did alright I think.


he jumped his ass back over the fence and came to the front door to be let through. :P
I'll either go in or knock. I wont go half way.


Damn...I hated like hell to read this. I'm sorry it happened. Shit like that isn't funny. Scared the piss outta me when Chris got bit (think you guys saw the pics), but it definitely sounds like you had a round or two worse. Please get the wounds checked out and ensure the dog is up to date on his shots. Keep us posted.
Maybe I should have mentioned this before, but I really did ok injuries wise. I have a mark or two on my lower leg, and now a bruise but that's it. As far as war injuries go, mine aren't in the same league as Chris'. I was horrified when I saw his face, then more so when I saw the wounds. :p (you know I kid)


Chris, are you healing up well?
I was fine right after the attack. I just went on reading meters. :)


I feel your pain. Literally. Sorry to hear. Hope it didn't do too much damage.

I wish you could have had as little damage as I did mate and could have gotten over it like me. :(


That is aweful! The dog continuing to come after you is not a good sign. Whats worst is you didnt even come into the yard and it came after you. Curious on how much damage was caused. Hope you have a quick recovery!
-John
Not much. A bruise and some ripped trousers - right near the crotch! :eek: (this may however, have been caused by a fence I jumped - I'm really not sure)


your a lot nicer than i am man.. good luck on the recovery
Thanks mate. I'm doing fine. :)


Sorry to hear this buddy.

Staying still is a good idea! the other thing is scare the fuck out of the dog. Why didn't you have mace or a knife or gun or broken bottle?
Paul - you do realise I live in Australia and NOT in America? We are a civilised bunch here, not savages. :p I have been thinking about carrying a small baseball sized bat, just in case. :D

Scotty

[ChargerX3]

Damn Terriers are ruthless!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:AUleR1bElzWf_M:http://wallpapers-diq.com/wallpapers/15/West_Highland_White_Terrier_(Westie).jpg&t=1

[beepbeep]

Damn Terriers are ruthless!

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:AUleR1bElzWf_M:http://wallpapers-diq.com/wallpapers/15/West_Highland_White_Terrier_(Westie).jpg&t=1

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/smilielol.gif

ONLY cos you posted you are ok.

[green-lantern]

Paul - you do realise I live in Australia and NOT in America? We are a sissy bunch here, not savages. :p I have been thinking about carrying a small baseball sized bat, just in case. :D

Scotty

FIFY

:P JK ;0

Still with that job I would carry some kind of spray. They will let you carry mase in that hippy country won't they?

[beepbeep]

Still with that job I would carry some kind of spray.

Yea, I would look into something that you could keep with you cos you never know what else could happen. :(

[Flash Gordon]

Sucks

This is one reason I carry a serenated knife with me at all times

Regards,

O J Simpson

[Igovert500]

Glad to hear you are ok.

It's really a shame, wish they would have tests you had to pass to get a dog. Some people just have zero idea how the hell to train and handle their animals. We have 2 rotts and 4 pitbulls and we foster other bully breeds from time to time for the local SPCA, and they all know their place, because it's not the dog, it's the owner.

[Flash Gordon]

Another thing, if this were to happen again and you find yourself without your blade, grab both of that fuckers jaws and yank.

[bluemax_1]

So Scotty, I have to ask, was the dog that attacked you about the size of the one in ChargerX3's pic? To be bitten twice and have to wrestle the dog off you (kick it in the head while it has a hold of you) the second time and hardly have broken the skin? You're either really lucky, the dog was really a puss, or so old it didn't have many teeth left.

Here in the US, if a dog attacks you like that, you could sue the owners (you weren't even trespassing on private property when you got bitten) and have the dog put down. Working a job like that, I would definitely carry a can of mace, and probably some kind of walking stick that could double as a club. Barehanded, I would punt the pooch into the next county. The trick to reducing your chances of getting bitten while punting a pooch is to use a double kick (like a skip kick), you flick out one leg/foot, animals reactions are fast enough to snap at a fast moving limb coming at them, but the first kick is just a feint, the second kick comes from the other side and slams into it while it's looking the other way. Granted, being able to do that kick easily with speed and power takes a little training but works great for pooches and humans alike. In all honesty though, if you simply use a footie punt as hard as you can (don't miss and fall on your arse) the worst you could get is a light nip before you knock that thing into the next ex-British penal colony.


Max

[green-lantern]

Sucks

This is one reason I carry a serenated knife with me at all times

Regards,

O J Simpson

lolololol

[Igovert500]

Sucks

This is one reason I carry a serenated knife with me at all times

Regards,

O J Simpson

This gave me a good laugh, not trying to be a grammar nazi

serenade: a musical composition, and/or performance, in someone's honor, or to express love

serrated: having a notched edge or sawlike teeth

[Flash Gordon]

This gave me a good laugh, not trying to be a grammar nazi

serenade: a musical composition, and/or performance, in someone's honor, or to express love

serrated: having a notched edge or sawlike teeth

Grammar Guy Sucks...






































J/K =]

Please forgive my shortcomings ;-)

[Flash Gordon]

EDIT..................Wrong thread....Oooops

[GTO Assassin]

Still with that job I would carry some kind of spray. They will let you carry mase in that hippy country won't they?
No sir. We can't carry mase. Not that I'de even know where to get it. It's just not sold over the counter. I was thinking about going to Rebel Sport and buying a smaller sized baseball bat. But laws in our country make it hard to defend yourself. Pretty sure the cops wouldn't be happy with that.


Glad to hear you are ok.

It's really a shame, wish they would have tests you had to pass to get a dog. Some people just have zero idea how the hell to train and handle their animals. We have 2 rotts and 4 pitbulls and we foster other bully breeds from time to time for the local SPCA, and they all know their place, because it's not the dog, it's the owner.
The amount of houses I go around to where the animals have obviously grown out of their cute n cuddly stage, so now they live outside and get no love from their owners. :(


So Scotty, I have to ask, was the dog that attacked you about the size of the one in ChargerX3's pic? To be bitten twice and have to wrestle the dog off you (kick it in the head while it has a hold of you) the second time and hardly have broken the skin? You're either really lucky, the dog was really a puss, or so old it didn't have many teeth left.

Here in the US, if a dog attacks you like that, you could sue the owners (you weren't even trespassing on private property when you got bitten) and have the dog put down. Working a job like that, I would definitely carry a can of mace, and probably some kind of walking stick that could double as a club. Barehanded, I would punt the pooch into the next county. The trick to reducing your chances of getting bitten while punting a pooch is to use a double kick (like a skip kick), you flick out one leg/foot, animals reactions are fast enough to snap at a fast moving limb coming at them, but the first kick is just a feint, the second kick comes from the other side and slams into it while it's looking the other way. Granted, being able to do that kick easily with speed and power takes a little training but works great for pooches and humans alike. In all honesty though, if you simply use a footie punt as hard as you can (don't miss and fall on your arse) the worst you could get is a light nip before you knock that thing into the next ex-British penal colony.


Max

Oh Maxxy. I think you forget:
a) I'm not Bruce Lee &
b) I only got my hip replaced 6 months ago. :p

There's a good chance me going the Chuck Norris on a dog would end up in hip disslocation, me in pain, then me dinner. :(

The dog was probably about the size of a full grown Labrador. I think you guys have them. But it was fatter and a little out of shape - and slow, which is why I did ok against it. It took me by surprise when it bit me the first time, and pretty much the second and third as when it came an attacked me again, that caught me off guard. - and on my ass. I also wear some pretty thick workers trousers which protect against rose bushes and pointy teeth. ;)


Just yesterday tho I thought I was going to be attacked again. (different dog) This thing ran to it's fence barking like crazy when it heard me. Then it stopped barking and jumped the fence. Now this fence wasn't a see thru one and was over 6 feet tall. The dog jumped to the top, balanced, then jumped down and came after me. I was pissed off by this stage so I just charged the fucker yelling at it to sit down! It barked, ran around me then ran back home. I really need to get some sort of protection tho.

Scotty

[bluemax_1]

Hmmm.... yeah, I guess going Bruce Lee on a dog is out for you. Like I said though, get something to use as a walking stick. Ask local law enforcement about it first if you want to make sure it's OK. Over here, the laws are a little better in regards to being able to defend yourself, but it's still better to not carry something whose sole purpose is a weapon. Tools on the other hand, that in a pinch could be used 'defensively', are a different story.

For example, carrying a baseball bat or tire iron wedged next to you in your car and actually using it in some sort of confrontation risks serious legal ramifications because Johnny Law will argue that the object was positioned there specifically to be used as a weapon in altercations. Now wedging my 6 D-cell MagLite next to the driver's seat and using THAT if I needed to though, it's a tool you see. It's there in case the unreliable 3/S happens to break down in the middle of the night when I'd need light to fix it. If I should happen to need to defend myself and happened to grab it, it's primary purpose is not as a weapon. It makes a dfference (even though physically, the MagLite as big or bigger than a baton/billy club).

In your case, a nice strong walking stick works out great when taken in context with your job AND the hip replacement. It's not there to beat someone or something about the head, it's there to ease the miles of walking yu endure on your job, and if some stupid canine should happen to attack you, well it was literally at hand.


Max

[GTO Assassin]

I shall look into it mate. Thanks for that. :)

Scotty

[beepbeep]

Now wedging my 6 D-cell MagLite next to the driver's seat and using THAT if I needed to though, it's a tool you see.
Max

HEY!! That's a popular spot for that specific light. :suspect:

[blindmist]

It has to be something about my stance, but every dog that has run after me stops about 3ft away and never does anything. I have had 2 pits together come after me and they both stopped.

I could also just stink really bad or be really ugly. Who knows?

[stealthee]

I could also just stink really bad or be really ugly. Who knows?

Thats probably it right there. :lol:

[lawdogg]

Here in the US, if a dog attacks you like that, you could sue the owners (you weren't even trespassing on private property when you got bitten) and have the dog put down.

Max

What are the laws in Australia, Scotty?

Here in Illinois the dog-bite statute requires 4 elements for a cause of action:

"njury caused by a dog owned or harbored by the defendant; lack of provocation; peaceable conduct of the person injured; and the presence of the person injured in a place where he has a legal right to be." ([I]Nelson v. Lewis, 344 N.E.2d at 270).

In Scotty's case, it sounds like the 'provocation' was his normal movement in a place he had the right to be. Although such an unintentional act of provocation has been ruled in the past to sufficiently defeat the lack of provocation element, in more similar cases such as Messa v. Sullivan, 61 Ill.App.2d 386, where a girl's act of walking across a hallway where she had the right to be provoked an attack by a watch dog, the court found no provocation on her part. The court reasoned that establishing provocation in this case would deny the intent of the statute; the court stated that "it did not believe "provocation" within the meaning of the statute was intended to apply to a situation where a vicious dog interpreted a visitor's non-threatening movements as hostile actions calling for attack." Nelson, 344 N.E.2d at 271.

Additionally, if the defendant raises some argument that Scotty's beating and kicking of the dog did constitute provocation, they will fail to defeat his cause of action. In Steichman v. Hurst, 2 Ill.App.3d 415, 275 N.E.2d 679 (1971), where a postal worker's spraying of the defendant's dog with repellant was ruled to not constitute provocation, the court characterized the defendant's conduct as "reasonable measures for self protection evoked by the dog's actions and deterring him only momentarily." (Id.) Although the plaintiff's acts were intentional, they did not constitute provocation of the dog's attack as meant by the statute.

Scotty may additionally have a sufficient cause of action against the dog's owner based on tortious negligence. One factor that may help Scotty's cause of action for negligence would be the dog's history of violence. "A dog owner's liability rested upon negligence, and he could be liable only if he harbored a "viscious" dog." (Nelson, 344 N.E.2d at 271.) However, Scotty would bear the burden of proof establishing the previously known 'visciousness' of the animal. Scotty, anyone have issues with this dog before?

I won't go into the cause of action for (tortious) negligence, because first Scotty would need proof that the dog was predisposed to be viscious towards humans.

Although the defendant may claim contributory negligence, since Scotty was somewhere he was allowed to be, and did not otherwise unintentionally provoke the dog in any way, this claim would not hold up to the facts as plead.

My two cents.. :p

//Ryan

[bluemax_1]

LOL! lawdogg posting about laws regarding dogs!


Max

[lawdogg]

LOL! lawdogg posting about laws regarding dogs!


Max

http://hiphopwired.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/xzibit-wtf.jpg

[Atrosity]

Lol Ryan dude that deserved a thanks!

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/45/burnsbestpost.jpg

[blindmist]

LOL! lawdogg posting about laws regarding dogs!


Max

Ever read it... on WEED? Bahaha, you made me laugh pretty good.

[terrets]

Haha thanks for the good laugh. Sounds fun.

[GTOJOE]

fuck dude... when you told us you got a new job as a meter reader I joked about you getting eaten by a dog..... that's not good. Time to carry a big arse stick wiht barbed wire wrapped around it hahahaha

[GTO Assassin]

What are the laws in Australia, Scotty?

Ryan - I could have had the owners sued and possibly the dog put down. But I lost no blood and at no point was my life in danger. I spoke to the local ranger after reporting it to my work, and they told me I could do the above, but also let me know that sometimes gates are accidentally left open and pets do get out. I was happy with that and just asked him to go have a chat with the owners to make sure it doesn't happen again. It's now on record and if it ever happens again, I'm sure the course of action will be harsher. :)


fuck dude... when you told us you got a new job as a meter reader I joked about you getting eaten by a dog..... that's not good. Time to carry a big arse stick wiht barbed wire wrapped around it hahahaha
I've thought about the maglight idea, but honestly, they are quite heavy and I'm not sure if I want that weight on me as I walk 15 to 20 kays a day! If I get a few more dogs wanting an early dinner tho, I may have to reconsider that.

Scotty

[bluemax_1]

Scotty, I wouldn't go with the MagLite for your job. Like I said, a walking stick or cane. That way, it's not dead weight you have to lug around, you can use it while walking. Just get something that's pretty strong (canes made from rattan are very durable and light), not one of those slender little things.


Max

[FastOldGuy]

Ouch Scotty glad you are OK I bounced a full Ginger Ale can on the head of a German Shepard that tried to attack me once, it worked well. Anyway is Pepper Spray legal in OZ

[GTO Assassin]

I dont think it is Doc. I dont even know where I'de get it from. You guys in the US can get it from where? The pharmacy? Shit, I bought throwing stars from Hawaii once. lol

Scotty

[Telionis]

It's owner (an old Greek guy) is trying to wrestle his dog away from me, while his wife (who doesn't speak any English) is trying to scare the dog away from me with her flip flop.

Stupid greasy wogs... $50 says he owns a diner staffed by his 20 hairy cousins...















:D (I'm Greek myself, looked up the slur on wikipedia, did I use it properly?) WTF is a bitsa? What kind of pansy dog can't break the skin? LMFAO. I never saw any point to those toy dogs myself.

What if it had been this?

http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/maddog_1.jpg

[GTO Assassin]

Fuck me! You guys have werewolfs in the US? That thing is crazy! :eek:

This dog that got me was a little slower and fatter and I was wearing my King Gee trousers which are an industrial strength trouser.

As for the racial slur, it was spot on. :bigthumb:

Scotty

[gltasn]

id be carrying a tennis racket for defense. saw it on dog whisperer and confuseed the hell out of the dog and was a great blocking tool. i love dogs but, id beat one if i had too.

[GTO Assassin]

As I mentioned before, carrying large type objects like a maglite, samurai swords or even a tennis racket are out of the question. I just can't carry stuff. I will speak to the police and see what they say about my legal rights and whether I can maybe carry a small baseball bat or wooden pole that I could strap to myself - which wouldn't be in the road or be too heavy.

Scotty

[green-lantern]

WOW Scotty! Your country sucks! What the hell can you carry to protect yourself? You can buy pepper spray pretty much anywhere in the states. Women are encouraged to carry it or a stungun/tazer here.







BTW I found your new avatar while searching for “dog attacks kangaroo”. :)





































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[bluemax_1]

Hmm... you guys don't seem to get it. Carrying a tennis racket or small baseball bat etc. constitutes carrying a WEAPON. If you hit something with it and someone complains, you going to tell them you were on your way to a tennis match or baseball game after work and just brought the racket/bat along while working?

Like I've already mentioned, if you happen to have a 6 D-cell Maglite in the car with you and used it in self defense, it is considered a tool. You have valid reasons for carrying it in the passenger cabin and having it close at hand and accessible. If on the other hand, you keep a tire iron, baseball bat or machete within reach in your car and use it on someone, even if it was used in self defense, you are still liable for certain charges because those items are considered accessible weapons, I.e. you kept them within reach for the express purpose of using them as a weapon.

Scotty, you definitely should check your with your local PD, but Aussie law is based off of Brit laws and a WALKING STICK OR CANE is your best bet in your situation, ESPECIALLY taking into account all the walking you do AND the recent hip surgery.


Max

Something like THIS would be ideal:
http://www.costumebox.com.au/Rattan-Cane-p-17247.html
and coincidentally, that link is an Aussie company

or
http://photos.tradeholding.com/attach/hash73/122953/hoja_rattan_with_root1_copia.jpg
or
http://www.black-bear-haversack.com/product_info.php/products_id/3565

While you can look for a hardwood (like Hickory), or even something made of aluminum, the advantages of rattan are that it is light, flexible and very strong. When looking for a cane or walking stick for both walking/hiking support AND self defense, I would advise going with RATTAN, at least 1.25" thick. Hardened rattan between 1.25 to 1.5 inches thick is VERY strong. We use it for various martial arts training and they can take repeated impacts that would break or splinter most hardwoods.

BTW, the sticks commonly used for training (and fighting) in Filipino stick fighting arts like Arnis, Kali and Escrima are made from rattan, but generally thinner, usually about 3/4" to 1" and even those can take a LOT of hits before the ends begin to crack/splinter (and unlike hardwood, even when it DOES splinter, the splinters don't fly off as dangerous shards like hardwoods, because rattan is a fibrous vine).

Hardened rattan 1.5" thick is even strong enough to withstand a full blown chop from a sharp machete. While the live vines in the wild CAN be cut with a single swing with a very sharp machete, once the rattan has been treated and dried, it becomes VERY hard and resistant to cuts.

[GTO Assassin]

Max - I understand what you said BOTH times. ;) I'm still going to ask the police if due to the dangers of my job, what I can carry. I wont be like six months from now after killing/maming someones pet, turning round and saying, "well I didn't know tomahawks were illegal"!

I can't believe civillians in the US can carry tazers. That's insane.

Scotty

[stealthee]

Its called personal protection and personal freedom.

[Telionis]

I can't believe civillians in the US can carry tazers. That's insane.


What? Why? What sense does it make for it to be legal to carry a lethal weapon, but ban the use of non-lethal weapons. Sh-t, the government should try to encourage people to carry tasers instead of firearms.

Ironically, the non-lethal ranged weapons (beanbag guns, FN-303, etc.), are illegal. So I can defend my home with a fully automatic weapon with armor-piercing steel-core rounds (expensive), I can even buy a 20mm cannon (very expensive), but I cannot use a beanbag gun... :rolleyes: Logic fail!

[bluemax_1]

Actually tasers (they're spelled with an 'S' not a 'Z') and stun guns aren't legal everywhere in the US, and there's also different definitions of tasers. Most folks consider anything that is designed to deliver an electric shock a 'taser', but that is incorrect. All tasers are stun guns, but not all stun guns are tasers (like all nickels are coins but not all coins are nickels).

The term 'taser' is properly reserved for the type that can fire the barbs from a distance. The term 'stun gun' is used for any device meant to deliver an electric shock to incapacitate. Tasers also use a higher wattage than stun guns. There are civilian version of tasers that can fire from a distance, but they have shorter ranges and lower wattages.

In Michigan for instance, it is not only illegal to use, but to even OWN any device designed to deliver an electric shock to another person. That definition means you can't legally own any type of stun gun or taser. Granted, there ARE some folks trying to change the legislation on this, but at this time, the law still stands.

So no, it is not legal to own or carry a taser or stun gun everywhere in the US. Even in some areas where you ARE allowed to carry a stun gun, tasers (the ones that can fire barbs from a distance) may not be legal. Check your local legislation.

Similarly, although Pepper spray IS legal in MI, it is only legal for civilians to carry civilian doses of it, i.e.
Not more than 35 grams of any combination of orthochlorobenzalmalononitrile and inert ingredients (CS gas); or
A solution containing not more than 2% oleoresin capsicum (pepper spray) and is used in the protection of your person or property which would justify the use of physical force. It cannot be sold to a minor.


Max

[terrets]

Max - I understand what you said BOTH times. ;) I'm still going to ask the police if due to the dangers of my job, what I can carry. I wont be like six months from now after killing/maming someones pet, turning round and saying, "well I didn't know tomahawks were illegal"!

I can't believe civillians in the US can carry tazers. That's insane.

Scotty

We can carry loaded guns in most states :) As long as its not concealed (In WI). I know other states allow concealed weapons :D. Carry a 9mm for that dog :)

[GTO Assassin]

Its called personal protection and personal freedom.
When's the last time you had to pull a gun for your personel protection or freedom?


What? Why? What sense does it make for it to be legal to carry a lethal weapon, but ban the use of non-lethal weapons. Sh-t, the government should try to encourage people to carry tasers instead of firearms.

Here's the thing: People are stupid by nature. Not all, but alot. I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't allow crazy assed humans to own guns.


We can carry loaded guns in most states :) As long as its not concealed (In WI). I know other states allow concealed weapons :D. Carry a 9mm for that dog :)
While I'd love to own a gun for the cool factor, (you know, at night time I'de dress up with the gun belt and nothing else and be baddass in the mirror. Don't laugh, I know you bitches do that) I just dont need a gun in my country.

Scotty

[stealthee]

Luckily I never have had to. But my dad pulled his gun on some crazy bastard who was beating on our door at 2 am several years ago. I'd rather have the gun, and not have to use it, then not have it, and need it.

EDIT: I find it laughable you say that "I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't allow crazy assed humans to own guns."

I'd venture a guess that its the crazies and the criminals that have guns, while law abiding citizens do not. In cities in the US where there are "gun bans" crime rates are higher than in areas where there are no such ban. Why is that? Thats because its the crazies and the criminals that still have guns, while the average citizen can't protect themselves.

[GTO Assassin]

EDIT: I find it laughable you say that "I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't allow crazy assed humans to own guns."

I'd venture a guess that its the crazies and the criminals that have guns, while law abiding citizens do not. In cities in the US where there are "gun bans" crime rates are higher than in areas where there are no such ban. Why is that? Thats because its the crazies and the criminals that still have guns, while the average citizen can't protect themselves.

Why do you find that laughable? That's how I feel Brian. Next you'll tell me my opinions are incorrect. lol

While we can't compare crime rates between the US and Australia due to the amount of people who live in America v ours, and while I really dont want to start an argument on guns vs no guns, the simple fact is that if the justice system actually worked the way it should, you wouldn't need guns. People know they can get away with breaking the law because some hot shot lawyer will get you off, or you can blame playing video games when you were a kid. Nobody seems to take responsibility for their actions anymore.

Anyways, we are straying OT here. Back to weapons, I mean walking sticks. :)

Scotty

[bluemax_1]

EDIT: I find it laughable you say that "I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't allow crazy assed humans to own guns."

I'd venture a guess that its the crazies and the criminals that have guns, while law abiding citizens do not. In cities in the US where there are "gun bans" crime rates are higher than in areas where there are no such ban. Why is that? Thats because its the crazies and the criminals that still have guns, while the average citizen can't protect themselves.
While it may be true that some hardened, serious criminals over there may be able to get their hands on firearms, in general they're pretty darned difficult to come by. All you have to do is look at statistics of crimes involving firearms per capita as well as the number of people killed by firearms per year per 100,000 people for example.

You don't have to worry about the average nutjob going off the deep end and pulling out a gun to kill all the other mailmen, or some crazy Korean kid blowing away a bunch of classmates and professors. If you embarrass some idiot in front of his GF at the bar you don't have to worry about the dumbass going to his car, grabbing his gun and coming back to pop a cap in your ass.

In some major cities like Chicago's Cook County Hospital or LA's LA County Hospital, they get more gunshot wounds per month than the entire country of Australia sees in a year.

Yeah, I think I'd prefer to live somewhere where you 'might' have to use your fists sometime, but the chance of some stupid cowardly punk blowing you away because they don't have the balls to face you toe to toe is remote because they likely don't have a gun or easy access to one.

Unfortunately, as has been mentioned and discussed before, it won't work in the US because there are already SO many guns out there. If anyone tried to ban guns and told folks they had to turn them in to the local PD, it's highly unlikely they would get even 1/4 of them off the street and the small % of people who would voluntarily turn their guns in are not the ones we need to worry about.


Max

[green-lantern]

Here's the thing: People are stupid by nature. Not all, but alot. I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't allow crazy assed humans to own guns.




We don't allow people that are insane or have a violent criminal record to carry guns. To carry a gun you need to pass a background check before having a carry permit. Law biding citizens should be allowed to carry. If we outlawed guns do you think that would keep them out of the hands of criminals? No it wouldn't, it would only keep guns out of the good guys hands. I'm not going to try and fend off crazed crackheads with a tennis racket that want to gang rape my wife and daughter. I've had to defend my home with a gun before. Luckily nobody had to die but I'm sure as hell glad I had it. Also my wife had to defend herself when somebody was breaking into our home one time. I was at work and this POS pried our front door. I'm so glad I taught my wife to use a shotgun, 3 inch magnum slug FTW. I would hate to think what would of happened to her if she didn't have it.

Edit: My 1st sentence should read "We don't allow people that are insane or have a violent criminal record to get carry permits. Any criminal can get a weapon.

[MR2]

next time take some poisoned meat. problem solved.

[CoreyB]

Makes me think of Monster Hunter.

[terrets]

next time take some poisoned meat. problem solved.

Ya do this.

[FastOldGuy]

Scotty I know/knew 3 different people that have been murdered. My step Grandfather and two friends. they were all murdered with knives. Knives are legal in Oz aren't they? What I'm saying if any of those 3 people had a gun they might have never been murdered.

[FastOldGuy]

" One example of where pepper spray may be carried for personal defenses is in Western Australia. However, the spray may only be carried if the individual has reasonable grounds to believe it is necessary. Those living in Western Australia may not travel to other areas of Australia [illegal in the Northern district] with pepper spray because it is illegal"

[terrets]

" One example of where pepper spray may be carried for personal defenses is in Western Australia. However, the spray may only be carried if the individual has reasonable grounds to believe it is necessary. Those living in Western Australia may not travel to other areas of Australia [illegal in the Northern district] with pepper spray because it is illegal"

Pepper spray is illegal??? What?? Do you have people in Australia attacking each other with it for fun? Or is there just zero crime(specifically rape/harassment/kidnapping)?