Since Emilie wants to talk about it: her sig. This is a good ol' Drama Thread!

[lawdogg]

Emilie and I are attempting to resolve this in private now. Wish us luck.

Well unfortunately negotiations between the two of us over PM crashed and burned in a hurry.

I will leave this thread up both because I think it's good to bring things out to the open and to discuss them, and also because Emilie has given explicit consent.

Bottom line I really hope they are successful here and everyone here is happy.

//Ryan

[UTRacerX9]

And you posted this... why? Keep your fucking 3SI drama to yourself, we don't give a shit what goes on over there any more.

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[MNRVR4]

Im pretty sure he explained why he posted this...

[Roybatty]

lawdog??? TLDNR

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[CoopKill]

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[sketch]

some of y'all know how to do this, and some of y'all wont


...and while i get a chance here, let me clear my throat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54yIMKjG048

[UTRacerX9]

Im pretty sure he explained why he posted this...

If you look at the date from the message he posted, it's almost a year old. Only reason to post is to stir up shit, not to "set things straight." If he was concerned about that, he'd have done it long ago.

[stealthify]

I understand why Ryan did this. While it's probably not a big deal to most at this point, there's a good chance this could be a big deal to him since this has been an on-going joke on this forum, at his expense, for quite some time.

UT points out that this is a year old topic and should be water under the bridge, however it is still relevant because Em has kept it prominently displayed in her signature. I can't speak for the mod team on the other forum, but I suspect they probably figured this would have blown over naturally by now and then Ryan wouldn't have had to waste his time explaining it - but clearly, it hasn't.

[BigTyla]

Given that this is 3Si is a heap of crap now, I couldn't care less about what goes on over there. Normally I'd say keep that crap over at that dump of a forum and don't bring it here.

That being said, I can understand why lawdogg would want to post this as it effects him personally.

[Gamerse]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee146/gamerse/Troll-kidnapping.jpg

I'm only looking, because I missed all this while I was in Iraq and everyone is so upset I can't get an unbiased response. He said why he was here, and it was to offer the whole post since an excerpt of it is currently in Emilie's signature. This thread is really between those two, and we should not derail their thread and make it a 3si bash, there are plenty of other on-topic threads for that. :)

If anyone has anything to say here, it should be Emilie, and only if she decides to. I really think subjects like this (in general) should be handled through direct PMs or phone calls. Drama and fighting only stands to hurt the community as a whole.

[BaadVR4]

Private PMs are just that: PRIVATE. Except GZP (and therefore, by extension, Emilie is in a positron of trust relative to new members and members who are new to this particular platform. That means she has the ability to influence the most important sector of our forums.

If there have been actions/behaviors of a less than sterling quality in the past to the extent that GZP/Hans/Emilie have been sanctioned by the "board authorities".

There are new issues. Old issues reflect on new behaviors. That makes it prudent to ask what happened in the past and see how it helps us understand/fix the current issues.

To allow to just "giggle off" what happened before is a dis-service to our most vulnerable members. IMHO, A full disclosure, including results/outcomes should be make public. Then let the same public make up its own mind.

Just my 1.5 cents worth.

[IPD]

I really don't like being judged by manipulated information - legally, this is called defamation.



pretty much why todd is a giagantic troll & should be treated as such.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Y U make it so hard for me to read the text?!

Jeremy

[UTRacerX9]

pretty much why todd is a giagantic troll & should be treated as such.


Hey crybaby, I don't mind being called a troll... Name calling from babies and little kids is to be expected. When you grow up, you'll learn that people like you don't matter. :)

[sketch]

something something "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
-Doctor Seuss, mofos

[Boomer3000]

:inout:

[AdamVR4]

Thank you for clarifying this, Ryan. I knew GZP had a shit load of issues in the past and always wondered how the hell they got back in... I just never cared to read the 100,000 page long threads on the subject.

I'd seen Emilie's sig and wondered why she would put that there... Seems like the only attention it brings is negative. I'd considered buying parts from them recently, but fortunately didn't end up needing to. I'll stay away.

[CoreyB]

I have met Ryan a couple times, he is a good Guy. I talk with Hans and Emilies frequently in chat. I don't have an issue with any of you. I did developed the "Giggles" pet name for Emilies from her sign. Ryan I hope you don't think that's a jab at you in anyway.

[J-Groove]

Ryan,

Thank you for putting it all out there.


Thank you for clarifying this, Ryan. I knew GZP had a shit load of issues in the past and always wondered how the hell they got back in... I just never cared to read the 100,000 page long threads on the subject.

I'd seen Emilie's sig and wondered why she would put that there... Seems like the only attention it brings is negative. I'd considered buying parts from them recently, but fortunately didn't end up needing to. I'll stay away.

Adam, I wouldn't stay away from GZP. I've ordered many random parts for my cars over the years, heck just last year I bought an entire car from them.

Now GZP does have a bad past, Hans was in his early 20's trying to start his own shop/company and made some bad decisions. But I will say I trust them now. The GZP past is from 10 years ago, I know I'm a different person than I was 10 years ago.

There is one on going issue that Ryan was talking about, that one customers car. That is crappy, what it seemed like to me from the outside is the guy was a dick, Hans took it personal instead of looking at it as a business. Which is what you NEVER want to do.

-John

[AdamVR4]

Adam, I wouldn't stay away from GZP. I've ordered many random parts for my cars over the years, heck just last year I bought an entire car from them.

Now GZP does have a bad past, Hans was in his early 20's trying to start his own shop/company and made some bad decisions. But I will say I trust them now. The GZP past is from 10 years ago, I know I'm a different person than I was 10 years ago.

There is one on going issue that Ryan was talking about, that one customers car. That is crappy, what it seemed like to me from the outside is the guy was a dick, Hans took it personal instead of looking at it as a business. Which is what you NEVER want to do.

-John


I agree, people can change, but...

10 years ago? Are you telling me the 'unresolved' customer car has been ongoing for 10 years? Did GZP even exist 10 years ago?

GTPro got people to trust them over and over and over again.......... And they never even got permabanned!

[dbest671]

I agree, people can change, but...

10 years ago? Are you telling me the 'unresolved' customer car has been ongoing for 10 years? Did GZP even exist 10 years ago?

GTPro got people to trust them over and over and over again.......... And they never even got permabanned!

Actually Wono car was an eight year old case, and was the ONLY past issue that came up after GZP status was "reinstated" on 3si. With that being said, I have no problems purchasing things from GZP now, even though I know more than most about their tainted past.

[AdamVR4]

Actually Wono car was an eight year old case. With that being said, I have no problems purchasing things from GZP now, even though I know more than most about their tainted past.

Has something about their business changed that can give customers peace of mind? Is it just the amount of time since there's been a dispute? GZP is an incredible resource for used parts, and I'd like to be able to trust them.

[dbest671]

Has something about their business changed that can give customers peace of mind? Is it just the amount of time since there's been a dispute? GZP is an incredible resource for used parts, and I'd like to be able to trust them.

Pretty much what John said above, they had a rocky start in the beginning. Most of the issues were from 2002-2005 ( give or take a year or so). From what I know they took care of Wono's car and handled all their past issues. Why do I think they handled all their past issues, because NOBODY other than Wono came forward. Trust me, I read a lot of shit about GZP when I became a moderator, it was "an assignment" lol, but today I would still give them money for parts.

No business on 3si has 100% positive feedback. GZP has made the most with their second chance on 3sgto. The only "complaint" I have seen was from Thadd.

BTW: lawdogg's post is post #19 from, if memory serves me correct, an 11 page thread (30 post/page).

[AdamVR4]

Well that's good to hear. I'll keep browsing their site from time to time then :)

[UTRacerX9]

From what I know they took care of Wono's car and handled all their past issues. Why do I think they handled all their past issues, because NOBODY other than Wono came forward. Trust me, I read a lot of shit about GZP when I became a moderator, it was "an assignment" lol, but today I would still give them money for parts.

No business on 3si has 100% positive feedback. GZP has made the most with their second chance on 3sgto.


That's a pretty good endorsement... considering it comes from the current/former? classifieds mod.

[dbest671]

^It took some time for me to come to that conclusion... a year ago I would have said the opposite. I had to do a lot of research of GZP past and it was not good. But again a lot of issues were over 5 years old, so I couldn't determine if they were resolved or not. There was a resolution center set up for GZP, PMs sent and phone number passed out. Of all the "past issues" the only one that came back was Wono's.

I understand why lawdogg made this thread. But at the same time, I don't think it should reflect on the current business practices at GZP, because in my eyes they have made a 180 degree turn around.

Also, if GZP was such a "threat" to the community why would Alan allow them on 3SGTO when he knows their past probably better than anybody?

[Alan92RTTT]

My take on GZP history.

GZP was the 1st business/person banned from 3si sales. Their were numerous issues many of them I feel from Hans not really knowing how to run a business.

Em at one point starting selling parts on 3si. I knew the parts were coming from GZP and she refused to be honest with me about their source. She was very young at that point and I thing she felt she'd get bump if she told me the truth. (I'd have let he stay had she owned up to it.)

Over the following years their were several behind the scenes things as GZP tried to access 3si as a sales resource. Even a period where EM was allowed to sell for a while.

Over the years I watched them as they conducted business and it seamed to me that they were learning the correct way to run a business. Not perfect yet but getting much better.

On 7/8/10 Hans sent me this PM on another forum we both use.


Just so you don't think I'm going behind your back, I have contacted Autoforums about sponsoring 3SI. I don't want this to turn into a Shaun type of issue so I'm letting you know now and would like your opinion on the matter since it doesn't seem like the classified mods want to do anything for me.
I did not see this PM until the next day when I also got


Well, I waited a day for a response until I sent payment. Hopefully you aren't upset about it. It's the last thing I would want. I guess I'll see ya on 3SI :)

Here is a huge point that many people seem to have gotten wrong. I was pissed at AF for not talking to us about GZP as a sponsor before signing a deal with them. Letting GZP back onto 3si should not have been AF's call. It should have been the mod staff's call.

As evidenced by their status here I felt a second chance was deserved. I still watch them. They are not perfect, but at this point I do not regret letting them sponsor 3sgto.

Based on what I have been told, I feel that the way GZP was treated on 3si after their return was shitty. Their past mistakes were head over their heads and some of the mods were actively looking for reasons to boot them. If my understanding of the events that occurred after my departure is accurate they should be taking AF to court for breach of contract.

IMO Ryan should delete this thread and EM should remove that image from her sig. Then they both need to just move on. Whats done it done. Its the past learn from it don't rehash it to death.

[lawdogg]

Thanks Alan. I'll gladly delete this thread once Emilie removes her defamatory sig pic and refrains from any and all other references to me.

I really didn't want this thread to be about GZP's business practices at all. As I alluded to in my post, I really do think Hans is infinitely capable of great things. So, if GZP is doing well here I think that's awesome, and my commentary shouldn't be read to reflect poorly upon them now.

All I wanted to do was give everyone the context of Emilie's slander towards me, to show how she edited it down and allow you to draw inferences according to the thing as a whole.

[OBXBoost]

Thanks Alan. I'll gladly delete this thread once Emilie removes her defamatory sig pic and refrains from any and all other references to me.

Why does it have to be an "if, then" issue? I've learned a long time ago just to walk away from things that bother me and stop with the "mountain, molehill" idealogy and be the "better" person.

know-what-I-mean?

[IPD]

Why does it have to be an "if, then" issue? I've learned a long time ago just to walk away from things that bother me and stop with the "mountain, molehill" idealogy and be the "better" person.

know-what-I-mean?

the defamation doesn't cease just because you ignore it. we've got several members on this forum that are a living testament to that. one of whom has already posted in this thread.

[OBXBoost]

the defamation doesn't cease just because you ignore it. we've got several members on this forum that are a living testament to that. one of whom has already posted in this thread.

*sigh* not worth explaining if you're not open-minded.

[AdamVR4]

Why does it have to be an "if, then" issue? I've learned a long time ago just to walk away from things that bother me and stop with the "mountain, molehill" idealogy and be the "better" person.

know-what-I-mean?


I think she's been pimping that sig since this forum was created.

This thread has hardly been a "mountain" ... I think it was good for GZP, if anything. I'm surprised Ryan is taking such flack over it.

[eljefefx]

He's taking flak because he's a member of 3si's Moderation Team. Any one of us who posted up something like this would have received the same amount of grief.

[AdamVR4]

He's taking flak because he's a member of 3si's Moderation Team. Any one of us who posted up something like this would have received the same amount of grief.


I guess I'll never understand.

[UTRacerX9]

He's taking flak because he's a member of 3si's Moderation Team. Any one of us who posted up something like this would have received the same amount of grief.

He's taking flack because he's importing 3SI drama over here, for something that happened a long time ago. As far as Emilie's sig goes,


I think she's been pimping that sig since this forum was created.

She's had that sig a long time, that's for sure. And I think it was more amusing than anything else. Definitely not worthy of creating a thread to try to explain the reason behind another person's sig. I don't have a problem with Ryan. I have a problem with people posting BS threads that seem to be screaming for attention.


the defamation doesn't cease just because you ignore it. we've got several members on this forum that are a living testament to that. one of whom has already posted in this thread.

Thadd, do you not have the balls to just say my name? I mean, you already did once in THIS thread, for no reason whatsoever. The difference between you and me is, you live for opportunities to badmouth me on the forum, unprovoked. Me on the other hand, you could die tomorrow and never post again and I'd hardly notice, except the amount of whining threads would decrease significantly. If you don't like your reputation as a crybaby, stop acting like one.

[Alex3000gt]

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[Emilie@GZP]

I haven't read ryans post, because I can't see the text, and I just came across this thread now.

But I would like to point out, that most of the information pertaining to us and our removal from 3si, is false. fabricated by David (dpfsharkbait). That is called LIBEL.

My sig was edited because of length, and did not edit out information that was pertinent to the basic point you were making... that Hans was using my username to circumvent his ban on 3si... because he wasn't banned. he still had 100% posting privileges, just chose not to post. My posts, are mine, not anyone else, nor influenced by anyone else. The advice and tech help I give, is MINE, not Hans'. Contrary to what most people think, I DO know what I am talking about, and give advice where and when I can, on topics that I am comfortable speaking on.

We got back on to 3si, because Cianci told us how Shaun, (midnighthaze), got back on 3si. He paid to be a vendor, and was given his posting privileges back. So, we did the same thing. There was no shady business. We paid off all past debts that we could find PRIOR to paying sponsorship, gave Alan warning that we were going to be sending payment in the next 24 hours, and if he had a problem with it, let us know, and we would refrain from sponsoring.

We received no concerned reply from Alan, so we went ahead with sponsoring on 3si. The entire process took place over the course of a few days/week or so. It was not an overnight blitz attack, like people made it out to be.

Alan contacted us after this, and informed us we would be watched closely, and the first sign of trouble, and we were gone. We informed him there would be no trouble.

And there wasn't. We had been working with the customer Carlos long before we were back on 3si, in contact with him, and working to fix his car. The day we finished it, we were banned from 3si. We never received an explanation, a phone call, a refund, nothing.

We filed against Vertical Scop/Autoforums with the BBB, and considered filing against them, and David, for Libel, in court. Hans did not want to spend the time, money, and frustration on it, so we just let it go, even though we had a slam-dunk case.

My signature... well, I was sent a package with the entire administrative discussion on our removal. And to my surprise... our removal was based on absolutely NOTHING. No fact, No problems... they had absolutely NO reason to remove us.... they just did.

[dbest671]

He's taking flack because he's importing 3SI drama over here, for something that happened a long time ago. As far as Emilie's sig goes,

She's had that sig a long time, that's for sure. And I think it was more amusing than anything else. Definitely not worthy of creating a thread to try to explain the reason behind another person's sig. I don't have a problem with Ryan. I have a problem with people posting BS threads that seem to be screaming for attention.


Actually Lawdogg didn't "import" the drama. And well Emilie is the one who posted shit from 3si first. I don't think he should be slammed for giving an explanation. I really wasn't going to post in this thread until I saw it turning into bash GZP business practices thread.

I would have done the same exact thing in Lawdogg's shoes, because trust me when I say there are comments made be me in that particular thread that are far worse than what Lawdogg posted above.

[Emilie@GZP]

I am not going to sit here and say GZP has been the poster-child for a great business throughout it's entire existence. Neither Hans or I have ever denied he had issues in the past. But he rectified every single individual who came forward with a problem from the past... whether it was 5, 6, 8 years ago.

I have been on board full time with GZP in a managerial position for nearly 3-4 years now, and a figure at the shop for over 6 years. In that time, I have worked with Hans to reorganize, restructure, and rebuild the shop from the ground up.

I take care with the day-to-day runnings, the paperwork, the shipments, the phone calls and tech support, scheduling, customer service.... the BUSINESS side. He runs the mechanical end.

GZP is a FAR cry from what it was just 3 years ago, let alone 7-8+ years ago when these issues took place.

So, to hold this over our head... is just ridiculous. How long do we have to pay for mistakes he made 10 years ago? You come to the shop, and spend ONE DAY here, and tell me we are low-life scam artists, just out to rip people off.

Get off your high horse. I don't see IPS banned... how many people are still waiting for their black-friday purchases? those new transmissions that were ordered how long ago?? How many people needed to be screwed over by SSM for them to be put on suspension? I really could go on and on.... but this is a one-way street I guess...

[Emilie@GZP]

Actually Lawdogg didn't "import" the drama. And well Emilie is the one who posted shit from 3si first. I don't think he should be slammed for giving an explanation. I really wasn't going to post in this thread until I saw it turning into bash GZP business practices thread.

I would have done the same exact thing in Lawdogg's shoes, because trust me when I say there are comments made be me in that particular thread that are far worse than what Lawdogg posted above.

I really could have taken much worse quotes from that thread. I found lawdogg's post quite humorous since it is so far-fetched.... then again, most of the posts in that thread were pure conjecture, fabrication, and just flat out ridiculous.

If I wanted to bring drama, I would have posted the entire thread up for public viewing. It was PM'd to the admins and a few individuals when I first put my sig up.

[AdamVR4]

...But I would like to point out, that most of the information pertaining to us and our removal from 3si, is false. fabricated by David (dpfsharkbait). That is called LIBEL..

... our removal was based on absolutely NOTHING. No fact, No problems... they had absolutely NO reason to remove us.... they just did.


:scratch:

Oh, here's that mountain.

What would David's motivation be to make stuff up to ban you?

[Emilie@GZP]

I agree, people can change, but...

10 years ago? Are you telling me the 'unresolved' customer car has been ongoing for 10 years? Did GZP even exist 10 years ago?

GTPro got people to trust them over and over and over again.......... And they never even got permabanned!

GZP has been around almost 11 or so years now.... since 2000 I think. The customer isn't from 10 years ago. 8 years ago. The customer was COMPLETELY fine with our resolution. He had stopped by MANY times over the years, taken parts off the car he had here, chatted with Hans, discussed what to do with the car, wanted to add different stuff, remove stuff, etc. It's not like we held his car hostage for 8 years, telling him to go fuck himself.

The customer you are referring to, carlos, we had been working on putting his car together for him before we got back on 3si. We had bought a COMPLETE stealth twin turbo, to strip to assemble his car with, since EVERYTHING in his car was trashed from being flooded. it was gutted down to a BARE FRAME. ever single wire, electronic component, computer, seat, carpet trim, etc. was swapped out. We built the car from a 100% gutted shell. We would have given him the other car, but he wanted HIS reassembled. We even upgraded him to additional forged internals for his engine, at no extra cost. He was happy with this.

We did not finish the car fast enough for David, who incessantly called, and harassed us about it. Between the harassment from David, and the bashing that was allowed to go on, on 3si, Hans flipped shit on everyone, because we knew, no matter WHAT the resolution, we were going to get fucked over. And we did. The customer got his car, was happy with it, drove it home, and we were banned.

[Emilie@GZP]

:scratch:

Oh, here's that mountain.

What would David's motivation be to make stuff up to ban you?

fuck if I know. He was also PM'ing members, spreading lies about us. I have the proof of that too. David is a pathological lying psychopath. He will NEVER PM/email you, only call... no paper trail with a phone call.

[Emilie@GZP]

I have about 600 filed papers documenting everything. Printouts, PM's, emails, recorded phone calls, shipping and payment receipts from EVERY SINGLE transaction we had on 3si.... if they want proof, I'll be happy to provide it. We fucked NO ONE over. But got the shit end of that deal anyway.

[Emilie@GZP]

Well that's good to hear. I'll keep browsing their site from time to time then :)

only about 1/100th of our inventory is listed on my site. I can not keep up with it, in all honesty. We just built some storage space, and just picked up about 10+ storage racks so I may be able to organize more, but if you need something, it's best to just PM/call. because 9.999 times out of 10, we have it.

[AdamVR4]

We did not finish the car fast enough for David, who incessantly called, and harassed us about it. Between the harassment from David, and the bashing that was allowed to go on, on 3si, Hans flipped shit on everyone, because we knew, no matter WHAT the resolution, we were going to get fucked over. And we did. The customer got his car, was happy with it, drove it home, and we were banned.


fuck if I know. He was also PM'ing members, spreading lies about us. I have the proof of that too. David is a pathological lying psychopath. He will NEVER PM/email you, only call... no paper trail with a phone call.


This is what I'm picturing, haha...

http://image.com.com/tv/images/content_headers/episode_new/890302.jpg

Regardless... Why not just put the past behind you and put a 3S in your sig? :)

[Emilie@GZP]

Thanks Alan. I'll gladly delete this thread once Emilie removes her defamatory sig pic and refrains from any and all other references to me.

I really didn't want this thread to be about GZP's business practices at all. As I alluded to in my post, I really do think Hans is infinitely capable of great things. So, if GZP is doing well here I think that's awesome, and my commentary shouldn't be read to reflect poorly upon them now.

All I wanted to do was give everyone the context of Emilie's slander towards me, to show how she edited it down and allow you to draw inferences according to the thing as a whole.

it's not slander, it's libel. And it's not considered libelous unless it causes you personal/emotional/and or financial harm. I have done none of the above. It also has to be proven to be false.... nothing I posted is false, it is your OWN words.

And if you would like me to pull up all the libelous crap that was spewed about Hans and I, I would be happy to. Then I will be THRILLED to take you all to court over it. :)

[eljefefx]

Jesus fucking Christ...

[AdamVR4]

google: The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity.

haha

[Emilie@GZP]

This is what I'm picturing, haha...

http://image.com.com/tv/images/content_headers/episode_new/890302.jpg

Regardless... Why not just put the past behind you and put a 3S in your sig? :)

that is a 100% accurate pictorial of me... except I have slightly less facial hair.

I find the sig comical. And I will remove it when the mood strikes. And need I point out Ryan sported the SAME signature as me for quite a while. So, he obviously did not find it that hurtful to his feelings. He even seemed proud of it, because when I edited it on my photobucket account (since he linked directly from me), he even re-edited it, and put it back up, hosting it hinself, so I could not perform any more shens with his sig pic.

[Emilie@GZP]

google: The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity.

haha

I have done extensive homework on the topic, and can probably school most lawyers on it. :)

[AdamVR4]

that is a 100% accurate pictorial of me... except I have slightly less facial hair.

ha! I should've been more clear. That's what I was picturing reading your descriptions of David. Cartman power-tripped like crazy when he became hall monitor, pretty much like you're accusing David of doing (assuming I've understood any of what I've read, haha).

[Emilie@GZP]

the defamation doesn't cease just because you ignore it. we've got several members on this forum that are a living testament to that. one of whom has already posted in this thread.

it's not defamation... if it's his own words. If he thinks it speaks that badly to his character... he should not have posted it up on the internet in the first place.

[dbest671]

Jesus fucking Christ...

Dave (not david) will whine about that Jeff... ;)

[Emilie@GZP]

ha! I should've been more clear. That's what I was picturing reading your descriptions of David. Cartman power-tripped like crazy when he became hall monitor, pretty much like you're accusing David of doing (assuming I've understood any of what I've read, haha).

most days I feel like a hall monitor.... :lol:

and yes, that is an accurate assumption.

[Hans@GZP]

Put a cat in his hands.... or a dead turkey

[Emilie@GZP]

Put a cat in his hands.... or a dead turkey

icwutudidther...

[lawdogg]

Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call.

The degree to which you have maintained documentation and undertaken independent legal research about those issues is very impressive I am sure. I'm not "sua sponte," so to say, bringing any of that up, none of it.

If you'd like to discuss your impressive documentation and independent legal research in this thread, that's fine. Like you said, things have changed at GZP. If business is good and customers are happy, that is fantastic and I am incredibly happy about it.

I'd be more than happy to retract any statements I made (e.g. delete this thread - it's the only "public" disclosure of anything I've ever said about the issue) if it turns out they were based on false information. In fact I'd prefer that, since I hate to think that anybody was cheated out of any money and I hate even more to think that I have been basing my impression of everything on false information.

I only ask that you please don't post any more "libel" about me personally. (I'll spare you the results of my own extensive legal research since it really isn't the issue.)

The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation, and hopefully (2) try to find a way to play nice with you. You and anybody else can call me a douche to your heart's content so long as it's based upon a complete understanding of the situation - in this case, the fact that I was simply using the facts as I understood them at the time in the best way possible to protect the members of the forum I signed on to moderate.

I have never publicly posted or otherwise "published" anything at all, especially not anything nearly as defamatory, personally, about you. I've been very careful about that. We don't have to get along, but I'd certainly prefer to avoid the personal drama, and I don't appreciate any manufactured attack on my character.

If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan

[Hans@GZP]

I'm the one that called you a douche.

[stealthify]

We got back on to 3si, because Cianci told us how Shaun, (midnighthaze), got back on 3si. He paid to be a vendor, and was given his posting privileges back. So, we did the same thing.

Sounds like there is/was a lot of misinformation and miscommunications going on. I don't want to make this thread about me, but I didn't pay a single cent to get back on 3si. When Cianci hired me, he contacted AF, on his own, to have them add me to his sponsor account. I thought it was a bad idea, so I messaged Alan just like you and Hans did, before going public with it.

I really wish AF would get on the same page as the mods over there, it would have saved everyone a lot of grief. But if it weren't for that, I guess 3SGTO might not have existed.

[CoopKill]

I needz a piss break...

Play nice and resolve it so I have nothing to come back to please?

[HellBringer]

FWIW, GZP is cool with me. Hans and Emilie both were great to work with on a trade deal we did about a year ago. After the fact, they truly bent over backwards and went above and beyond, which is where it really counts, IMO. I think anyone that knows me on/offline knows that I am very vocal and direct (to say the least) with my opinions and experiences, so.....

[Hans@GZP]

and he makes a bangin calzone!!!!!

[stealthee]

I've bought and sold to Hans for years. Well before they were back on 3si even. Not one deal has went awry.

When I rocketed my second diff and had no back up parts and really no money to get the car back on the road, Hans bailed me out. I gave him some parts I had and he gave me a diff, a bellhousing, and put a trans together for me so I could get back on the road.

When Hans got stranded on the PA turnpike with a messed up transmission I had no issues gathering tool and parts and driving the 2 hours to where he was to try to get him back on the road. When things were found to be worse than we thought I had no problems taking them back to my house for the night and arranging a way to go back and pick the car up and tow it home. Hans paid me far me than what I deserved for my time and help and tried to pay me more.

Never once have I had an issue with GZP and don't ever anticipate one. I know if I ever get stuck on something Hans is just a phone call away and is always more than willing to help.

Whats my point with this post? Its that Hans has character and even a little bit of integrity, just a little :p. Thats not something that can be said about everyone. Their reputation has been so skewed by old info and devious mods that things like this come about. Its time for people to wake up and realize GZP, while not perfect, is a good business and is here to stay.

[UTRacerX9]

Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call...

If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan

And that is the point of my original post, a drama thread did not need to be created. That said, that was a stand up post on your part. I hope you guys can work things out.

[sketch]

Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call.
Other people brought it there. It was clearly not the intention of the thread, but it should have been clear that it was going to happen at one point or another.

The degree to which you have maintained documentation and undertaken independent legal research about those issues is very impressive I am sure. I'm not "sua sponte," so to say, bringing any of that up, none of it.

If you'd like to discuss your impressive documentation and independent legal research in this thread, that's fine. Like you said, things have changed at GZP. If business is good and customers are happy, that is fantastic and I am incredibly happy about it.

I'd be more than happy to retract any statements I made (e.g. delete this thread - it's the only "public" disclosure of anything I've ever said about the issue) if it turns out they were based on false information. In fact I'd prefer that, since I hate to think that anybody was cheated out of any money and I hate even more to think that I have been basing my impression of everything on false information.

I only ask that you please don't post any more "libel" about me personally. (I'll spare you the results of my own extensive legal research since it really isn't the issue.)
Truth is an absolute defense against libel. Not taking any sides on this, just stating an absolute fact. Best way to avoid libel? Have a paper trail of conversations. No phone calls, no recording phone calls. That opens up even more sketchy legal doors.

The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation, and hopefully (2) try to find a way to play nice with you. You and anybody else can call me a douche to your heart's content so long as it's based upon a complete understanding of the situation - in this case, the fact that I was simply using the facts as I understood them at the time in the best way possible to protect the members of the forum I signed on to moderate.

I have never publicly posted or otherwise "published" anything at all, especially not anything nearly as defamatory, personally, about you. I've been very careful about that. We don't have to get along, but I'd certainly prefer to avoid the personal drama, and I don't appreciate any manufactured attack on my character.

If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan
Then why even post, if you would have preferred to resolve the issue in private? Seems like a more logical solution would have been to discretely email Emilie and/or Hans in order to resolve the issue or find an outside and impartial moderator rather than start an unnecessarily public debate as this clearly devolved into (allowing lurkers like myself to get involved)

[AdamVR4]

And that is the point of my original post, a drama thread did not need to be created.

Well, I guarantee you that I wasn't the only one to unfairly judge, label and set aside GZP... It's not like we don't have plenty of drama in the political threads, might as well have a little out here :p

[AdamVR4]

Then why even post, if you would have preferred to resolve the issue in private?

I think I can answer that...


The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation...

[DuTTch]

google: The difference between slander and libel is that libel is the written or otherwise published, public defamation of a person or entity such as an organization or company, while slander is the spoken false defamation of a person or entity.

haha

Shoot im in trouble lol

[EaryDayImTrollin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx0Shn5Hvpc

[Emilie@GZP]

If you'd like to discuss your impressive documentation and independent legal research in this thread, that's fine. Like you said, things have changed at GZP. If business is good and customers are happy, that is fantastic and I am incredibly happy about it.


It's the research you should have done, prior to making your baseless accusations against me, and Hans, and FIGHTING tooth and nail to have us removed, and straight out attacking my character and integrity as a business owner.



I'd be more than happy to retract any statements I made (e.g. delete this thread - it's the only "public" disclosure of anything I've ever said about the issue) if it turns out they were based on false information. In fact I'd prefer that, since I hate to think that anybody was cheated out of any money and I hate even more to think that I have been basing my impression of everything on false information.

too little, too late. Leave this thread up. You should have done your research on the topic BEFORE slinging accusations and picketing for us to be removed from 3si. Your actions caused us $50,000 a year loss in profits, damage to our reputation, and a lot of major anxiety and frustration. Unless you plan on reopening our issue on 3si for reinstatement, I owe you no explanation, no "clarity", and no apology.

How about, you do your research before causing so much harm to a business, and people who took you in when you needed someone... how easily we forget these things.... and how easily that mob-mentality takes over.


I only ask that you please don't post any more "libel" about me personally. (I'll spare you the results of my own extensive legal research since it really isn't the issue.)

libel is FALSE information. What I have in my signature, is your own words. spin it how you want... you are not the victim here. You sported the same signature for quite a while... that alone absolves me from any liability to the content. If you don't like seeing content taken out of context, maybe you should have read into our situation in it's entirety... not pulling the snippets that fit your agenda.


The only thing I want here is to (1) share the full text of my post with those people to whom you have harmed my reputation, and hopefully (2) try to find a way to play nice with you. You and anybody else can call me a douche to your heart's content so long as it's based upon a complete understanding of the situation - in this case, the fact that I was simply using the facts as I understood them at the time in the best way possible to protect the members of the forum I signed on to moderate.

You were not using "facts". You were relying on one sole individual, who had nothing to do with the situation, or ANYTHING remotely involving us. You never ONCE contacted either Hans or myself to fact-find. You never ONCE even requested or looked into the "facts". If you had, you would have seen the glaringly obvious BULLSHIT. YOU FAILED to do your due diligence as a moderator, to make an INFORMED DECISION to remove a vendor, hell, take the vendor status out of the equation... to remove an INDIVIDUAL that did absolutely NOTHING wrong.

Where are the flocks of people that we screwed over years ago? Where are the un-delivered sales that we made while reinstated back on the forum? Where is our "circumventing our ban" proof? There isn't any.... BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST! David yelled jump, you didn't even bother to ask how high, you just leapt to your hearts content.


I have never publicly posted or otherwise "published" anything at all, especially not anything nearly as defamatory, personally, about you. I've been very careful about that. We don't have to get along, but I'd certainly prefer to avoid the personal drama, and I don't appreciate any manufactured attack on my character.

I can't manufacture your own words, I merely edited the length of the content. Those are 100% your words. Go tell the channel 9 news crew that they can't crop your interview.... because it may paint a "not accurate" depiction of your rantings.... it doesn't work like that kiddo.


If you'd like to try to resolve this in private, please let me know, and I'd be happy to come into it with an open mind. I would have preferred to do so in the first place.

//Ryan


There is nothing to resolve, unless you have intentions of reopening the issue with us on 3si for reinstatement. Otherwise, I have nothing left to say to you on the matter. You've done enough damage to our business, and personal reputation due to the lack of competence, and diligence in your decision making regarding our standing on 3si.

[Emilie@GZP]

Oh, I'm sorry... I apologize for cropping out (wait... editing and fabricating) your original quote to me, so, to avoid being held accountable for "defaming" you, here is the rest of your post to me... you know... so as not to skew your personal image, and tailor it to fit my agenda against you :rolleyes:


Emilie, like I said, I did not intend this thread to be about GZP's business practices nor about GZP's ban from 3Si. If you want to bring it there, you can bring it there, that is your call.

The degree to which you have maintained documentation and undertaken independent legal research about those issues is very impressive I am sure. I'm not "sua sponte," so to say, bringing any of that up, none of it.

[futurevr4man]

LOL at Duttch

well, i have no issues with either of the parties in this fight. i met ryan, thought he was a really nice guy, and him and i have chatted multiple times over the years about all kinds of stuff. he always seemed very respectful towards me.

i met hans at ng11 i believe and anytime i talk to him on here in the chat box he seems nice enough, emilie as well.

it seems to me ryan made a joke, libel or not, and it has become blown out of proportion. certain individuals in the chat box have kept the joke alive, and thats all i have ever seen it as. my point being, ryan, i dont think it is nearly as sladerous, or libel, or negatively veiwed as you may percieve it to be.


but to be completely honest, i think emilie should change the sig and move on. everyone says GZP has become bigger and better (i dont know about your past personally, heard some things, but i dont really listen to all that i hear) then you all need to enact that same action in this situation. let the past go, move on, kiss and make up, whatever you want to say. there is no point for antagonizing somone about a comment they made. if they dont like it, be nice and take it down. the vast majority of people on here do not view GZP negatively, so why not just let by-gones be by-gones?

hugs and kisses! ;) hahaha

[Hans@GZP]

And this is why I love the girl :)

[Hans@GZP]

LOL at Duttch

well, i have no issues with either of the parties in this fight. i met ryan, thought he was a really nice guy, and him and i have chatted multiple times over the years about all kinds of stuff. he always seemed very respectful towards me.

i met hans at ng11 i believe and anytime i talk to him on here in the chat box he seems nice enough, emilie as well.

it seems to me ryan made a joke, libel or not, and it has become blown out of proportion. certain individuals in the chat box have kept the joke alive, and thats all i have ever seen it as. my point being, ryan, i dont think it is nearly as sladerous, or libel, or negatively veiwed as you may percieve it to be.


but to be completely honest, i think emilie should change the sig and move on. everyone says GZP has become bigger and better (i dont know about your past personally, heard some things, but i dont really listen to all that i hear) then you all need to enact that same action in this situation. let the past go, move on, kiss and make up, whatever you want to say. there is no point for antagonizing somone about a comment they made. if they dont like it, be nice and take it down. the vast majority of people on here do not view GZP negatively, so why not just let by-gones be by-gones?

hugs and kisses! ;) hahaha

Nate, this issue goes WAAYYYYYY deeper than anyone here can really imagine, hence our standing on it. The mods on that other site made their bed and now they have to lay in their own shit.

[Hans@GZP]

Shoot im in trouble lol

I talked to Jan and she agreed to have you deported so she would not be held liable for your internet actions. So, where do you want to go?

[futurevr4man]

Nate, this issue goes WAAYYYYYY deeper than anyone here can really imagine, hence our standing on it. The mods on that other site made their bed and now they have to lay in their own shit.

fair enough. it just seems "easier" for lack of a better word, maybe even more "professional" if i can go so far, to just change the sig and be done with it. but what do i know, im a ginger?

[Emilie@GZP]

LOL at Duttch

well, i have no issues with either of the parties in this fight. i met ryan, thought he was a really nice guy, and him and i have chatted multiple times over the years about all kinds of stuff. he always seemed very respectful towards me.

i met hans at ng11 i believe and anytime i talk to him on here in the chat box he seems nice enough, emilie as well.

it seems to me ryan made a joke, libel or not, and it has become blown out of proportion. certain individuals in the chat box have kept the joke alive, and thats all i have ever seen it as. my point being, ryan, i dont think it is nearly as sladerous, or libel, or negatively veiwed as you may percieve it to be.


but to be completely honest, i think emilie should change the sig and move on. everyone says GZP has become bigger and better (i dont know about your past personally, heard some things, but i dont really listen to all that i hear) then you all need to enact that same action in this situation. let the past go, move on, kiss and make up, whatever you want to say. there is no point for antagonizing somone about a comment they made. if they dont like it, be nice and take it down. the vast majority of people on here do not view GZP negatively, so why not just let by-gones be by-gones?

hugs and kisses! ;) hahaha

His statement about me was NOT a joke. He accused Hans of using my screen name, posing as me, to make informative posts about members to circumvent his ban. A) he was not banned, he chose to stop posting helpful information because why help the community that is trying to burn you at the stake? and B) every SINGLE post I have made on 3si, was typed with my own two hands.

He belittled me as a businesswoman, and as a manager of this shop, and discredited me to my customer base. The last time Ryan hung out with us... when he lived on our couch for over a month... rent free I might add... I was not the most knowledgeable about these cars. He seems to have failed to realize that nearly 5 years has passed since then... and that I may have just learned a few things over that time.

Anyone who as EVER spent more than 5 minutes with me at the shop, can tell you that I do not just sit around, giggling and smiling to customers, to sell them bullshit parts. Do I actually giggle and smile to customers? Absolutely. Because I LOVE what I do, and I am happy to help them, and smile when they are pleased with the results, and I giggle when we joke around. HEAVEN FORBID!!! :runaway:

I'm not one of those bimbo's at SEMA, in the booty shorts and tank-tops, smiling just to sell a set of wheels. I find that appalling... but apparently Ryan seems under the impression that that is my position at the shop.

And THAT is why the snippet is in my signature. Because it is so absolutely asinine, that I found it humorous enough to tout around in my signature.

[Emilie@GZP]

And this is why I love the girl :)

I'm just gonna quote this for the sake of posterity...

[Emilie@GZP]

fair enough. it just seems "easier" for lack of a better word, maybe even more "professional" if i can go so far, to just change the sig and be done with it. but what do i know, im a ginger?

There is nothing professional about how they handled us and our business. I will not extend that courtesy to them.

[lawdogg]

Emilie, I understand this is emotional for you. I am truly sorry that you are so angry. I wish you had communicated all this to me before making it public by putting up your signature.

I will not turn this into a finger-pointing accusation ordeal. I am not here to argue any substantive issue regarding the decision-making process on 3Si. I have posted my intentions for making this thread and those are not them.

However, again, if you do want to talk about all that, like I said, I'm sure your documentation is impressive and I'd love to look at it. If you'd like to talk in private about it, I am all ears.

Your accusation of legal conclusions and purported supporting evidence certainly have a ring to them. But I refuse to discuss legal theory - at this point, I'm bound not to.

I'm not sure what the point of them are other than to turn "the mob" against me. It appears that you are using this thread as a megaphone for your accusations. That's too bad.

If you stand in the middle of a crowded room and start screaming and pointing, people will believe you. I refuse to do the same to you. Like I said, if you want to discuss this in private please tell me. I can wait until you are ready to.

Actually, I won't wait. I will be the first to send you a PM in an attempt to resolve it. Did you ever try even a whisper of a communication to me? No.

//Ryan

[AdamVR4]

Ryan,

In your opinion and the opinion of the 3Si mod staff, is GZP a threat to 3Si members today?

[j2k4]

Ryan,

In your opinion and the opinion of the 3Si mod staff, is GZP a threat to 3Si members today?

Good question.

[Emilie@GZP]

Emilie, I understand this is emotional for you. I am truly sorry that you are so angry. I wish you had communicated all this to me before making it public by putting up your signature.

I will not turn this into a finger-pointing accusation ordeal. I am not here to argue any substantive issue regarding the decision-making process on 3Si. I have posted my intentions for making this thread and those are not them.

However, again, if you do want to talk about all that, like I said, I'm sure your documentation is impressive and I'd love to look at it. If you'd like to talk in private about it, I am all ears.

Your accusation of legal conclusions and purported supporting evidence certainly have a ring to them. But I refuse to discuss legal theory - at this point, I'm bound not to.

I'm not sure what the point of them are other than to turn "the mob" against me. It appears that you are using this thread as a megaphone for your accusations. That's too bad.

If you stand in the middle of a crowded room and start screaming and pointing, people will believe you. I refuse to do the same to you. Like I said, if you want to discuss this in private please tell me. I can wait until you are ready to.

Actually, I won't wait. I will be the first to send you a PM in an attempt to resolve it. Did you ever try even a whisper of a communication to me? No.

//Ryan

You do not understand the emotional impact of this, so please, do not even pretend to.

I am quite sure you would like to see the documentation I have. And if/when the occasion rises that it is beneficial to us to bring it all to light, I will be happy to do so. But at this point in time, you only want to see it to feed your own curiosity. If you want to bring our standing on 3si back to the table for a serious discussion, I will be HAPPY to lay EVERYTHING I have out for you to see, review, question, etc, and you all can base your judgement and decision on FACTS this time. But until that point, it stays in my filing cabinet.

Ryan, you did not extend the same courtesy before you took action against us that was detrimental to our reputation, and financials. You seemed to find the humor in my signature when I first posted it, by also sporting the exact same quotation in your signature for weeks. If you wanted to clear the air about my signature and the issues you had with it, you would have done so MONTHS ago. This has been in my signature for nearly 6 months or so months now. If it was that hurtful to you, you would have PM'd a mod, or asked me personally to remove it back when I first posted it up, not now. You only post this now, to try and incite drama, nothing more.

If you wanted a private discussion, or to voice your concern to me about it, then you should have done so when you were first made aware of my signature.

[lawdogg]

Adam, I'm sorry, but this is not the right place for that question. I've been repeating over and over that this isn't the right place for that question and it's not what I'm here to discuss.

Emilie, maybe you didn't see my PM?

And I did find humor in your signature, until I realized that it wasn't a joke - your intentions were and are 100% to cause harm to my reputation. I gave you time to pull it down or move on without contacting anybody because I didn't want drama. But after 6 or so months, I realized you had no intention to move on, only to cause drama, and impact my reputation. Thus, this thread. At that point, it couldn't be resolved privately because even if you took it down, without a complete understanding of that whole post, the harm to me was already done.

Please reply to my PM - let's take this there.

[UTRacerX9]

Adam, I'm sorry, but this is not the right place for that question. I've been repeating over and over that this isn't the right place for that question and it's not what I'm here to discuss.


You may not have intended this to be the place for that question, but it certainly is now. Answering the question helps the supporters of this platform make a decision where to go for parts/service. By refusing to answer, you're no better than autoforums, who don't care about the platform, only about profit. It also puts you in the same camp as certain moderators who are there for the power trip only, not because they give a damn about these cars.

[AdamVR4]

Adam, I'm sorry, but this is not the right place for that question. I've been repeating over and over that this isn't the right place for that question and it's not what I'm here to discuss.


Wow. Your fear of even voicing an opinion gives Emilie's claim of legal strength a lot of credibility.

If this isn't the right place, then where?

[lawdogg]

You may not have intended this to be the place for that question, but it certainly is now. Answering the question helps the supporters of this platform make a decision where to go for parts/service. By refusing to answer, you're no better than autoforums, who don't care about the platform, only about profit. It also puts you in the same camp as certain moderators who are there for the power trip only, not because they give a damn about these cars.

In that case, since we are on 3SGTO, I would rely with good faith on Alan's choice of businesses.

The interesting thing is, I don't have a horse in this race. I am not profiting from anything. This is 100% about the platform, the cars, and the owners. That is my horse. I want that horse to win.

[UTRacerX9]

Wow. Your fear of even voicing an opinion gives Emilie's claim of legal strength a lot of credibility.

If this isn't the right place, then where?

Currently, there are 8 members in this thread, and 4 of them are hiding. I'm sure he fears saying anything that would paint David in an unfavorable light and get back to him.

[lawdogg]

Wow. Your fear of even voicing an opinion gives Emilie's claim of legal strength a lot of credibility.

If this isn't the right place, then where?

I have no "fear" of voicing an opinion, none at all. See above. And no I'm not giving Emilie's claims any credibility.

I want the owners on the platform to be able to spend money in good faith and be able to purchase suitable parts and service in the course of fair dealings. If GZP offers that, then yes! If they don't offer that, then no! It's as simple as that.

[Emilie@GZP]

are we, or are we not, viewed as a threat to members on 3si. And if so, what is the reason behind it. This is the perfect time, and place for that answer. I think if there is a legitimate threat to the community, Alan would want to know, so he can take the proper precautions.

[Emilie@GZP]

Adam, I'm sorry, but this is not the right place for that question. I've been repeating over and over that this isn't the right place for that question and it's not what I'm here to discuss.

Emilie, maybe you didn't see my PM?

And I did find humor in your signature, until I realized that it wasn't a joke - your intentions were and are 100% to cause harm to my reputation. I gave you time to pull it down or move on without contacting anybody because I didn't want drama. But after 6 or so months, I realized you had no intention to move on, only to cause drama, and impact my reputation. Thus, this thread. At that point, it couldn't be resolved privately because even if you took it down, without a complete understanding of that whole post, the harm to me was already done.

Please reply to my PM - let's take this there.

That quote, causes more harm to MY credibility. You typed those words, not me.

[Hans@GZP]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/Hans91GT/18dba846.jpg

Those are our files. Now you have seen them.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/Hans91GT/18dba846.jpg

Those are our files. Now you have seen them.

Wash your hands, you filthy mongrel! You look like you've been working on cars or something...

Jeremy

[lawdogg]

are we, or are we not, viewed as a threat to members on 3si. And if so, what is the reason behind it. This is the perfect time, and place for that answer. I think if there is a legitimate threat to the community, Alan would want to know, so he can take the proper precautions.

You want me to be a dick? Ok. No, you're not a threat to 3Si. You're banned. You have no access, therefore not a threat.

Are you a legitimate threat to the community? Have you had any complaints lately about cars being late / parts not showing up / work not getting done / getting done improperly, or anything else? If no, then no you are not a threat at all. If yes, then I'm sure Alan would want to know.

How far in the past are similar complaints still relevant? One year? Two? Ten? I don't know! That's a line in the sand. David and 3Si drew it in one place, Alan drew it in another.


That quote, causes more harm to MY credibility. You typed those words, not me.

It caused no harm to your credibility until you pasted it all over this website. Taking it out of context, out of privacy, and into the public, used ironically as you use it, it cases more harm to my credibility than it does to yours.

[Hans@GZP]

It caused no harm to your credibility until you pasted it all over this website. Taking it out of context, out of privacy, and into the public, used ironically as you use it, it cases more harm to my credibility than it does to yours.

Then maybe you should have kept your mouth shut. Even in context it is against your credibility. So, in the end... I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

[eljefefx]

I'm glad the adults are all here.

[Hans@GZP]

I'm glad the adults are all here.

Just remember. I'm the rubber.... you can't be the rubber.

[EaryDayImTrollin]

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g411/Earydayimtrollin/funny-dog-pictures-head-stuck-in-tissue-box.jpg

[Emilie@GZP]

You want me to be a dick? Ok. No, you're not a threat to 3Si. You're banned. You have no access, therefore not a threat.


what was our ban based on then? What was the reasoning behind it? What action of ours caused us to be considered an on-going threat?


Are you a legitimate threat to the community? Have you had any complaints lately about cars being late / parts not showing up / work not getting done / getting done improperly, or anything else? If no, then no you are not a threat at all. If yes, then I'm sure Alan would want to know.

How far in the past are similar complaints still relevant? One year? Two? Ten? I don't know! That's a line in the sand. David and 3Si drew it in one place, Alan drew it in another.


Where did 3si draw their line? We have no outstanding claims, we never did. Anyone that came forward with a problem, was handled. We were given a resolution forum for ANYONE to step forward with a claim.... NO ONE DID. So... if no one has a claim, or a dispute against us... what was our ban based off of? What was the basis? What was the tipping point....



It caused no harm to your credibility until you pasted it all over this website. Taking it out of context, out of privacy, and into the public, used ironically as you use it, it cases more harm to my credibility than it does to yours.

The context was not changed enough to warrant a "clarification thread".

[HilbillyHomeboy]

As I understand it, once Nadeem was promoted, and the Duane guy stepped in for him, he is the one who banned y'all on site. The exact reasoning I do not know, other than it stemmed from the wono thread over there.

Jeremy

EDIT - Emilie, I saw you say you couldn't read Ryan's first post(the quote). He has the text in white, so if you use the light 3SGTO background you need to highlight it to see it. ;)

[Hans@GZP]

Yea, and when trying to talk to Duane, he completely blew us off. Then started to just flat out ignore and not return any of our phone calls. Very professional business over there.

Those are FACTS Ryan, in case you wanted to try to twist that statement.

[Emilie@GZP]

I know Duane laid down the ban-hammer. I called multiple times trying to speak with him in regards to WHY. When I got him on the phone the one time, he never gave me a reason, "just because". I tried calling a number of times after that to try speaking with him if there was anything we needed to rectify, something outstanding we were not aware of, etc. I left voicemails, tried speaking with a few other people, even the guy above Duane, he gave me the run around as well. No one ever returned my phone calls. I have recordings of all of those calls/messages that I left (Ontario law says I do not need to notify them that I am recording the conversations).

We were never given a reason WHY we were banned. In the admin thread I was sent, a reason was never posted in there either, Duane just up and banned us one day, no explanation even to the moderation staff.

*edit* Jeremy, I read the entire thread, I know the jist of it all, I don't need to re-read it completely again. :) Thanks though.

[Emilie@GZP]

Originally Posted by lawdogg on 11/08/10
(A few more posts were made since I started composing this. Please forgive my lack of a response to them. I will check back in tomorrow.)


Originally Posted by Dave57
Searched her posts.

Emilie has been helping people by answering questions.

3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/search.php?searchid=5375779)
Alright, I read all of her posts going back about a week. They are very helpful, but ...

It's (partially) Hans. There is no way many of those posts are her.

Hans knows a lot. He has the potential to be incredibly helpful, and he's a great guy on a personal level. But, 3Si has evaluated the GZP issue several times, in detail, giving them second, third, and more chances. If he (not Emilie) was allowed back on, no PM's, restricted to the tech section, he'd be a great asset.

Furthermore, we cannot ban the business, restrict Hans to their resolution section, and give Emilie access to everything else. That completely undermines many things we are trying to accomplish with Hans' restrictions.


Originally Posted by dbest671
Hate to say it, but I believe they are here to stay unless they mess up again.
Why? It is our job to protect the honest members of this forum, who rely on our 'verification' of sellers and assume they are making transactions here in good faith at all times, with no exceptions. How can we impose such a duty on the average member who wants to sell, then as a forum assume the duty of protecting those members from dishonest online commerce, and then endorse a shop with (1) a proven track record of deceit, lies, and theft and (2) current, unresolved, outstanding debts to our members?

The only way GZP will be allowed back on this forum in good faith is when every single customer they have ever cheated / manipulated / unjustly profited from has been made whole.

Allowing them to stay, "unless they mess up", is a good way to treat vendors. It is the appropriate way to treat vendors who have not violated our trust and the integrity of our members. (Read: The vendors in GOOD STANDINGS. The ones who have not deceived, stolen, or lied; who do not have any outstanding and unresolved issues with our members.)

"Unless they mess up" is exactly the condition which we impose upon the vendors we trust to be an asset to this formu and its members. This is not how we treat people who still owe our members a significant debt, until they repay that debt, and then only on a limited bases.

We seem to have skipped the step where GZP makes right every wrong they have ever committed. To my knowledge, that has not yet happened. That is why we have a GZP resolution center. Saying they are here until they mess up again is again inconsistent with our intentions of promoting the interests of our members. Such an attitude completely undermines our ability to protect our members.


Originally Posted by DCIV
Pretty sure if she can post outside the resolution center she can PM which is what, I believe, ryan was getting at.
This is certainly a major facet. For those who don't know how GZP works: Hans buys, fixes, and orders parts for cars. Emilie smiles, giggles, and sells them. I needn't point out the significance of Emilie having an ability to PM.


Originally Posted by Lord Warlock
Haven't seen hans post outside of the resolution center, but have seen emilie doing so often, she has managed to stay outside of any controversy on 3si and has not attacked the mods or AF so she's been playing nice, and she has answered technical or newbs inquiries, so has given me no cause to act against her posting here. They have posted against us elsewhere, but that isn't my concern.

What is the status of the resolution thread? I haven't noticed any recent updates in a month, sure is taking a long time to get the new motor in and get it to the longest outstanding dispute in 3s history. Last update i saw was the interior got put in, it was an interior, but didn't look like a new one. But that is up to the owner to worry about. Has there been an update that i missed?
No updates. The Emilie issue has slipped throught he cracks for too long, for reasons I've pointed out above.


Originally Posted by Dave57
That makes more sense.. So she can solicit sales if she can pm. I'd let that slide. I would think if she has an issue she'll get banned and I don't think she would risk any issues.

I would certainly not let that slide. I'd rather not let a convicted rapist walk amongst my children on good faith, removing him only when he commits his next crime.

I will postpone my removal of Emilie's posting & PMing rights based on our discussion here, for a short while. As I said above, Hans is very capable of a great deal of technical assisstance, and if I died and went to heaven, he would be on my forum helping everyone out like the nice, sincere friend I know him to be. However, that is not the case, and the issue of GZP posing a significant risk to the members of 3Si is very much current with very harmful implications based on Emilie's account status and our inability to moderate PMs.

I need to be convinced that Emilie's ability to use this forum poses absolutely no threat to the members of this forum. I have yet to be convinced of that.

Keep in mind, she had been completely banned for this very reason for years, until Autoforums ignorantly reinstated her. I have seen absolutely no evidence pointing to there being any significant change whatsoever between when she was perma-banned based on the threat she posed to our members and today, other than that accidental and inappropriate reinstatement. In other words, accidental reinstatement notwithstanding, I see absolutely no reason to treat her any differently than this forum treated her before.

Thank you everyone for the civilized discourse.

//Ryan

To avoid anything being taken out of context, we edited out the XXXX to ensure the proper people are given credit for their posts.

[CoreyB]

Wow. Surprised to see who was actually trying to help you guys.

[Hans@GZP]

Wow. Surprised to see who was actually trying to help you guys.

Don't let it fool you at that point. The thread has 98 posts in it.

[j2k4]

Left-field question:

Anyone care to venture a guess - I sure couldn't, I wasn't here (or there) for any of this, and I only know what I've read - the percentage of members on THIS board who have definitive knowledge or sufficient tenure to speak with authority on this bit of history?

Here it is, though, a monolithic obstacle to progress...not unlike steve68 (saw that).

When he was disappeared, the problem was, too.

This one won't work that way.

I don't know how lawdogg would/will respond to this question, but I'm asking, anyway:

Do you have specific knowledge of any/all circumstances leading to GZP's ban from 3SI, and/or were you any part of the determination?

Because if you do/were, you should come across with that information, and do it in this thread, because no sense of play, fair or foul, allows you to do otherwise.

Alternatively, you can tell me to fuck off, because I 'wasn't here'. :)

[green-lantern]

I find the sig pic funny more than anything. Never thought any less of you Ryan. I've hung out with all you guys quite a bit (maybe Hans and Em a bit more because they attend BRG) and think highly of all of you. Seems like AF is really to blame for pretty much all of it. I know that may seem cliche to blame them but if they would have consulted with the people running the board then this could have been avoided.

[AdamVR4]

I find the sig pic funny more than anything. Never thought any less of you Ryan.

Agreed. Let's face it, at one point, what Ryan said was accurate.

I do, however, think less of you since you're so afraid to potentially disagree with a moderator on those mind numbing forums. GOOD FUCKING GOD DOES NELSON POST IN EVERY THREAD?!

[IPD]

nelson. lol. he's like the biggest troll that ever was...only he doesn't even realize he's a troll.

[green-lantern]

nelson. lol. he's like the biggest troll that ever was...only he doesn't even realize he's a troll.

Other than making farting noises with his armpit, I don't think he realizes much at all.

[eljefefx]

Maybe I'm sayin too much, but I'd had my way, his ass would still be banned

[IPD]

at least i'm not the only one who remembers him calling big-mike the "n-word"

[FeaRpb]

at least i'm not the only one who remembers him calling big-mike the "n-word"

Nazi?

[UTRacerX9]

Nazi?

I believe it was Nilla wafer, after Mike called him a cracker.

[FeaRpb]

I believe it was Nilla wafer, after Mike called him a cracker.


Those are some big words....

[green-lantern]

at least i'm not the only one who remembers him calling big-mike the "n-word"

I thought you had to spell it right to be offensive?



like a friend of mine said "Funny how ignorance and racism go hand and hand".

[J. Fast]

Ryan, if you want this to end you have to answer GZP's questions so they can have closure. I guarantee if you keep tap-dancing around their questions it will never end. They're asking; Do you know why their contract was terminated or have any knowledge regarding their ban at 3SI? Do you personally trust them as a vendor or feel they're currently a threat to this community? Reasoning?

Regardless of the outcome, you just have to spit it out. GZP may feel betrayed, let down, angry, but if it's an honest heartfelt answer it doesn't matter. Figuratively speaking, you have to stop side stepping questions and shoot straight to kill the issue. At this point we're all drawing our own conclusions and just waiting to hear a straight answer from you.

From where I stand, I don't think anyone is picking sides here either. I think the group as a whole wants you both to work it out and lay it to rest.

[niterydr]

Maybe I'm sayin too much, but I'd had my way, his ass would still be banned

I concur and will buy you a beer to that statement. As far as I remember, Nelson is the only person I've EVER went "off on" on 3si.

[IPD]

you're right. it was "niger". nelson called mike an african nation. how stupid of me to forget.

[Danube_3KGT]

don't know why im even typin in here but can't we just be grown ups? Emilie, drop the sig, Lawdogg drop the thread and everyone just chill. Obviously Hans and Emilie are doing something right, cause they're still getting orders.. I know I've talked to Emilie and she seems nice from what I can tell.. Lets just drop it, the 3/S platforms already took a big hit with the 2 sites splitting and fighting, can we not continue to drown it here as well? This is the only post I'll be putting here.. Emilie, I apologize on behalf of the 3/S community that has hurt you, and like wise to you lawdogg, now can this be private from here on out? I feel like stuff like this is killing our platform..

[Gamerse]

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee146/gamerse/epic-fail-traincopy.jpg
I shouldn't be here, but it's like the above picture.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT49_QBsUiq5A0lPy0eMCXxKPuxcEXLz xwTEYCZQ4cI1fVpU9ar

[dbest671]

The derailment of this thread was inevitable given the content/context.

[green-lantern]

The derailment of this thread was inevitable given the content/context.

;) on topic is highly overrated sweetheart :)

[IPD]

i like turtles

[Hans@GZP]

No response to this little tid bit too.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/Hans91GT/8f2ad9b7.jpg

[green-lantern]

On record, I feel (again) AF is to blame. I don't see anything in that complaint that seems unreasonable.

[beepbeep]

Emilie and I are attempting to resolve this in private now. Wish us luck.

Good luck. Wish it had all happened a long time ago, on both sides.

[Hans@GZP]

On record, I feel (again) AF is to blame. I don't see anything in that complaint that seems unreasonable.

If you could read the stuff in the admin section on 3si, you would realize it's not just AF.... but a lot falls on David's shoulders.

[Hans@GZP]

They were even banning members that somehow had the same IP address as us at some time. They even claimed that when we bought people's 3/s cars, that we demanded that their username and password come with the car :lol:

[eljefefx]

Here's a wonderful idea: since it is now being handled via PM's, why don't we keep it that way?

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Here's a wonderful idea: since it is now being handled via PM's, why don't we keep it that way?

are you a mod here now too?

[Hans@GZP]

Here's a wonderful idea: since it is now being handled via PM's, why don't we keep it that way?

I'm not handling anything by PM. Why must it be? People can't hear the truth about the moderators on 3si? I'll never let this die, so stop trying.

[eljefefx]

Everyone is quite testy today.....

[Emilie@GZP]

I'll spread lies about you, steal $50,000 a year from you, then tell you to stfu and stop quoting what I say because it hurts my feelings, and you should quit bitching so much about it.

[green-lantern]

If you could read the stuff in the admin section on 3si, you would realize it's not just AF.... but a lot falls on David's shoulders.

The main reason I don't post there is because of the mods but I happen to be friends with a lot of them. Certain ones like Lordwarlock I find unacceptable to run a board. He holds a grudge and even though I side with him politically a lot of the time he is a blatant dumbass.

The reason I post here? It's like for the people, by the people and for the people.

Good job Alan

[KPZVR4]

I am not convinced Emily is not a threat. She should post some hi-rez pics of her in some booty shorts and a tank top (maybe a bikini to be sure), just so we know she isn't a threat. ;)

We all have something in common which is rare being from so many different realms. These cars brought us together to further our own cars and spread that knowlede to each other. Ryan has been to my house and I would gladly have him back any time. He is not a bad guy so all/any who think he is, you are mistaken. I have also interacted with Emily and I don't think she is a bad person either. I don't know Hanz, but he is a dick. J/K :) We are all adults and we all have the same goal (varying degress of course). Let's see if if all parties can do their little parts to move on and get back to the reason why you are on these forums. The cars.

[green-lantern]

I am not convinced Emily is not a threat. She should post some hi-rez pics of her in some booty shorts and a tank top (maybe a bikini to be sure), just so we know she isn't a threat. ;)
.

:brilliant:

[ChargerX3]

I feel...

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080821184137/uncyclopedia/images/2/2f/Ice-monkey-silly-eyes.gif

[Boomer3000]

Poppy!!

[Boomer3000]

Potato!!

[Boomer3000]

Junk in the stealth ... wait drunk!!!

[IPD]

Everyone is quite testy today.....

all three of them are a bit swollen after that marathon session 2 nights ago...

[mb7050]

They(GZP) have every god damn right to be angry !

edit:And I'm not trying to fuel the fire here.I was just in a mood to express my opinion.

I find the sig pick is rather amusing then offensive in any way

[CoopKill]

Angry is not good, must resolve to be happy, and go on with life...

[mb7050]

I sure hope they can work it out ! but treading them in such a way they did,man I would be pissed too.. but as I see it they should be allowed get back to 3si as a vendor + an apology +++ other things but I cannot see how they could repair the harm they have caused... They were basically robbed and not only because of the AF. Its time for some mods to take a loooong good look at the mirror IMO

[GTO Assassin]

Ryan - I always thought Em's sig was just a laugh and nothing serious. I can't really see your side of it being harmful to you.

Em - what is this, forum number 12 involving you and drama? lol

Scotty

[IPD]

Ryan - I always thought Em's sig was just a laugh and nothing serious. I can't really see your side of it being harmful to you.

Em - what is this, forum number 12 involving you and drama? lol

Scotty

are you insinuating that it's not 3si, not 3sgto, and not the 3/s in general....but EM that all the drama revolves around? :awesome:

[OBXBoost]

I will never buy anything from Hans again. His scruff tickles too much.

Now Emilie on the other hand, her scruff tickles me in the right places.

[Hans@GZP]

Ryan - I always thought Em's sig was just a laugh and nothing serious. I can't really see your side of it being harmful to you.

Em - what is this, forum number 12 involving you and drama? lol

Scotty

We have no drama here. 3SI is just butt hurt and needs to bring their trash here.

[Emilie@GZP]

Ryan - I always thought Em's sig was just a laugh and nothing serious. I can't really see your side of it being harmful to you.

Em - what is this, forum number 12 involving you and drama? lol

Scotty

only ever had drama on 3si years back, we all do dumb shit at some point. RBK/BAWC.... I can't help it if bitches' be hatin' :lol:

[92RT-TT]

God I havent been on BAWC in at least a year. I kinda forgot about it haha

[IPD]

we have 3sgto chat. who needs bawc?

[Emilie@GZP]

God I havent been on BAWC in at least a year. I kinda forgot about it haha

I haven't been on BAWC in years, a lot of us migrated over to REBAWC (or RBK).

[green-lantern]

God I havent been on BAWC in at least a year. I kinda forgot about it haha

Same or different user name?

[KPZVR4]

Goddammmit, my vote still goes for booty shorts!

[stealthee]

I left BAWC before the mass exodus. I don't even miss it at all.

[92RT-TT]

Same or different user name?

I believe I had the same username as here. Its been awhile though so I cant be sure lol

[green-lantern]

I still post there a lot but I guess it's because of a small club feel these days, some good people too. Also between a few of the members there is a huge knowledge about these cars, especially the ECU flash stuff.

[J-Groove]

I still post there a lot but I guess it's because of a small club feel these days, some good people too. Also between a few of the members there is a huge knowledge about these cars, especially the ECU flash stuff.

Shhhhhh, we want to keep the small club feel. ;)

-John

[GTO Assassin]

What ever happened to people being able to hit the pub, have a beer and just work shit out? You Americans and your suing.

Scotty

[green-lantern]

Shhhhhh, we want to keep the small club feel. ;)

-John

;)


What ever happened to people being able to hit the pub, have a beer and just work shit out? You Americans and your suing.

Scotty

Silly Aussie (1)

[Hans@GZP]

What ever happened to people being able to hit the pub, have a beer and just work shit out? You Americans and your suing.

Scotty

AF is Canadian.... enough said. I bet they are French Canadian too!!!! Sorry Eric :)

[TT Eric]

Haha I don't think AF is French Canadian.

Eric

[OBXBoost]

Haha I don't think AF is French Canadian.

Eric

They sure do act like it.

[IPD]

They sure do act like it.

HAUGH HAUGH HAUGH

/french laugh

[TT Eric]

They sure do act like it.

I'm french Canadian, how do I act like AF?

Eric

[FeaRpb]

My last name is french canadian. How does my last name act like AF?

[j2k4]

What ever happened to people being able to hit the pub, have a beer and just work shit out?

Yeah, a drink inside - maybe a fight outside, first...:D

[AdamVR4]

I'm more French than anything else, FUCK AF.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I frenched your mom, but I don't work for af.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

[green-lantern]

I'm french Canadian, how do I act like AF?

Eric

Well since I met you at NG I can vouch you're an cheap greedy bastard.




















































jk bud :D

[IPD]

Well since I met you at NG I can vouch you're an cheap greedy bastard.

wouldn't that make him jewish, not french? :awesome:

[green-lantern]

wouldn't that make him jewish, not french? :awesome:

Nope that would make him AF :awesome:

[93STLTH]

If there are French Canadians in Canada, are there also Canadian French in France?? :coo3l:

[FeaRpb]

http://operatorchan.org/n/arch/src/n25846_can%20of%20worms.jpg

[green-lantern]

Yum............................................... ..........

[Hans@GZP]

Wow, not the derailment I expected LOL

[OBXBoost]

Hans' cock is more French-Canadian than AF is, even with its Hitler-stache.

[GTO Assassin]

Mike - that's just wrong.

In keeping with this thread tho, I dated a Canadian frog. Not at all bad.

Scotty

[KPZVR4]

I am married to a French Canadian. She can be a real PITA, but I still love her. She can't be that bad, she doesn't mind me spending stupid amounts of money on my car. ;)

[dbest671]

Hans' cock is more French-Canadian than AF is, even with its Hitler-stache.

And you know this how.... :inout:

[OBXBoost]

He's not just scruffy on his face....have you not been following along?

[Gamerse]

http://emotibot.net/pix/459.gif

[green-lantern]

:lol:


......

[Boomer3000]

I'm confused *scratches head*

[AgentOblivious]

Speaking of which...I should take a trip to AF headquarters some day with a box full of 3SGTO stuff...



...and no, they're definitely not french Canadian. I'm pretty sure they're imported...or Quebecois (I kid Eric, although no right turns on a red light? What's up with that?)

[green-lantern]

Speaking of which...I should take a trip to AF headquarters some day with a box full of 3SGTO stuff...



...and no, they're definitely not french Canadian. I'm pretty sure they're imported...or Quebecois (I kid Eric, although no right turns on a red light? What's up with that?)

Just spray paint it in big letters on the side of the building.

[dbest671]

Speaking of which...I should take a trip to AF headquarters some day with a box full of 3SGTO stuff...



...and no, they're definitely not french Canadian. I'm pretty sure they're imported...or Quebecois (I kid Eric, although no right turns on a red light? What's up with that?)

The sad part is they would probably think it is one of their forums...