Midwest Turbo Connection is looking for a pilot TD05 car that wants Billet Wheels [Archive]

92RT-TT

09-16-2011, 11:54 AM

Hello everybody!

What we are looking for is someone that already had a TD05 setup car with all supporting mods capable of handling 600-900+???awhp. We dont really know how much hp these will make in a TT application on a 3s but on a Evo VIII test car it made over 650 awhp.

We would need you to send your TD05's in and we would upgrade them/rebuild them with our new Billet MTC TD05 wheels. The compressor wheels are slightly smaller then 20G wheels however in an Evo they actually have made more power then a 20G wheel. They are a Twin 5 blade design. We also would have 3 options for the turbine shaft, one is a 12 blade, one is an 11 blade, and the other is a lighter 9 blade what would make your TD05 Billet Spool ridiculously fast for a TD05 car.

Price:
We would charge you for the parts only. Our only stipulation is we would require you to get the car dyno'd within 3-4 weeks of receiving the turbos back. We would initially charge you for labor but once you sent us your dyno charts, pictures, video's whatever you have you would get all of the labor costs refunded to you (think of it as an incentive to actually get the car dyno'd and send us the results).

We are looking for a car that has all the supporting mods and has a healthy engine. If you are interested, please list all your current mods and any dyno information you may have right now.

Thanks for looking!

Update as of 9-29-11:

Familyman has stepped up to be one of our test vehicles. He will be getting what are basically our stage 1+ turbos (official name will come at time of release to public). The stage 1+ will feature a Twin Five Blade Billet Compressor wheel along with an 11 Blade upgraded turbine shaft.
The stage 2 & 3 feature a Twin 7 blade compressor wheel (76mm and 83mm exducers respectively, until we release them for sale publicly we are keeping most of the specs private hehe) and either a 9 blade or a 12 Blade (12 blade for those that want ridiculous power).

Just as a teaser, a crappy cell phone picture of our 83 mm Billet Compressor wheel. ;)

thor'svr4

09-16-2011, 06:08 PM

i wish i was TD05. good luck finding someone whos ready to hit the dyno, hopefully you guys get some great numbers.

TurboSinceBirth

09-16-2011, 10:39 PM

I used to have a good TD05 kit. I wish I still did. I'm curious about the results on the turbos particularly how soon they spool.

mb3000

09-16-2011, 11:38 PM

Subscribed!

J. Fast

09-16-2011, 11:44 PM

How about piloting a billet borg warner K-04 wheel into a TD-04 too, Dan!

92RT-TT

09-17-2011, 12:53 AM

TD04 Billet wheel will be next and K04 after that. We actually are going to take the design from the TD05 and use it for the TD04's because it gave such good results in the TD05 form. Dimensionally it will be about the same size as a 19T. But it will be utilizing a fresh blade design which greatly improves performance. The TD04 and K04 wont be coming around until the beginning of the new year though.

BaadVR4

09-17-2011, 10:48 AM

PM sent.

green-lantern

09-17-2011, 12:50 PM

Intropy would be a good one (if he has time). He's a hell of a guy with a hell of a car. Baad VR4 is a great guy too.

http://www.3sgto.org/members/intropy/

pic of his car in this thread
http://www.3sgto.org/f2/streets-la-6323.html

Intropy

09-17-2011, 01:22 PM

I'm going to dyno at FSR next week. Depending on how that goes I might be interested.

Sin'sVr4

09-17-2011, 07:11 PM

Dan you know im in for the billet 19t! ;)

familyMAN

09-17-2011, 11:56 PM

... :)

92RT-TT

09-18-2011, 03:05 AM

Dan you know im in for the billet 19t! ;)

Haha I know you will be Ben! Also they wont look anything like a 19T though, inducer size and exducer size they will, but the blade configuration and number of blades is completely different. These wheels are designed from scratch.

Also as an update, the TD05 wheel made 480 whp on a SRT4 and achieved 20 lbs of boost before 3800 rpm for those wondering how these will spool. Its pretty quick!

Jesters Deadd

09-19-2011, 04:23 PM

interesting.

92RT-TT

09-19-2011, 05:56 PM

So far it looks like we've got one person who will be testing out the Stage 1 wheel and turbine shaft 700+- awhp range. If there is someone else interested that has the supporting mods we will probably let one more person be a test car so we can have results from two separate cars.

mb7050

09-20-2011, 07:57 AM

very interesting

j2k4

09-20-2011, 09:21 AM

/all over this one.

GTOJOE

09-20-2011, 07:17 PM

IPD

09-20-2011, 09:13 PM

wouldn't a billet 13t spool at idle? ;)

...seriously though. f**king subscribed. wish my car was built so i could hop on this. i want to see #'s; especially if they're for strokers.

92RT-TT

09-20-2011, 09:51 PM

Can you guys get a billet 13T wheel? I'm in the process of aquiring some cheap 13T's from a local member here and thought maybe 13T billet with a HL wheel will keep me happy for a while. I'm guessing the cost of the 13T wheel wouldn't be much different to the cost of a 19T wheel?

Currently we are finishing up TD05 and we will be channeling our wheel design and what we learned about wheel design from TD05 to the TD04 platform. We initially started with just copying TD05 existing wheels but then scratched it and started making our own designs and ended up creating a wheel which makes so much more power then the existing wheels. Initially we will only be making a wheel that is similar in size to a 19T. However if there were enough demand we could make a 13T sized wheel. I would guess a Billet 13T and our 9 blade turbine shaft would make for a ridiculously fast spooling turbo.

wouldn't a billet 13t spool at idle? ;)

...seriously though. f**king subscribed. wish my car was built so i could hop on this. i want to see #'s; especially if they're for strokers.

We've got one test car sending their TD05's in so we need one more... you could always build your car while we build your turbos haha ;)

IPD

09-21-2011, 01:21 AM

i'll be lucky if my car is finished by january, so you're better off getting someone who actually has theirs together. that, and mine won't be a 3.0L...

vr4tune

09-21-2011, 02:33 AM

I'm interested in the faster spooling 9 blade exhaust turbine. P.M me the details.

IPD

09-21-2011, 02:44 AM

i thought he was just talking about compressor, not exhaust? :confused:

GTOJOE

09-21-2011, 02:47 AM

They have designed their own billet compressor wheel and are using a 9 blade exhaust wheel [most likely the Kinugawa one].

IPD

09-21-2011, 02:53 AM

can i send you my brand new chinabay 16g's and get them modified? :suspect:

vr4tune

09-21-2011, 02:58 AM

i thought he was just talking about compressor, not exhaust? :confused:

Hello everybody!

What we are looking for is someone that already had a TD05 setup car with all supporting mods capable of handling 600-900+???awhp. We dont really know how much hp these will make in a TT application on a 3s but on a Evo VIII test car it made over 650 awhp.

We would need you to send your TD05's in and we would upgrade them/rebuild them with our new Billet MTC TD05 wheels. The compressor wheels are slightly smaller then 20G wheels however in an Evo they actually have made more power then a 20G wheel. They are a Twin 5 blade design. We also would have 2 options for the turbine shaft, one is a 12 blade and the other is a lighter 9 blade what would make your TD05 Billet Spool ridiculously fast for a TD05 car.

Price:
We would charge you for the parts only. Our only stipulation is we would require you to get the car dyno'd within 3-4 weeks of recieving the turbos back. We would initially charge you for labor but once you sent us your dyno charts, pictures, video's whatever you have you would get all of the labor costs refunded to you (think of it as an incentive to actually get the car dyno'd and send us the results).

We are looking for a car that has all the supporting mods and has a healthy engine. If you are interested, please list all your current mods and any dyno information you may have right now.

Thanks for looking!

a lot of info compressed in that paragraph.

IPD

09-21-2011, 04:59 AM

missed the term "turbine" i was looking for exducer/exhaust wheel. *facepalm

p.s.
if you're making 530hp on pump gas with 16g's on a stock displacement motor; holyshitballs what a billet compressor & lighter turbine will do on a 3.5L.

92RT-TT

09-21-2011, 10:02 AM

We havent released the turbine shafts for sale to the public yet but once we've gotten all the testing for TD05's done we will be releasing everything for sale. But yes there is a 9 blade and a 12 blade turbine shaft/wheel that we had designed. These aren't an existing turbine wheel so these are not kinagawa. We had these designed and are having them manufactured privately. Sorry for being so vague but we are trying not to leak everything out before we even are ready to release these turbos/parts to the public. Stay tuned though! TD05 Billet stage 1,2,&3 are going to be released very soon to the public and TD04 Billet soon after that!

IDP: The plan for these turbos are to use new MHI cores and upgrade them and then sell them outright. We are planning to also offer this as an where people send in their own cores too but we need to finish testing and publicly release them before any of that happens.

My one concern with an ebay turbo would be if it lasts. We'd need to take it apart and inspect it to make sure the clearances in the bearing housing etc were all within spec.

familyMAN

09-21-2011, 02:28 PM

Wouldn't a 9 blade turbine act more like a clipped wheel, spooling later with more top end because of the decrease in total blade area? or is there the same amount of surface area just few blades?

92RT-TT

09-21-2011, 03:58 PM

Wouldn't a 9 blade turbine act more like a clipped wheel, spooling later with more top end because of the decrease in total blade area? or is there the same amount of surface area just few blades?

It’s kind of hard to explain without showing it but the part that “technically” affects boost response is not only how big of a surface area a turbine wheel has but also the angle of those blades. For instance if you have a turbine blade with almost no curve to the blade, the air flowing past will barely turn it, whereas if you have a turbine wheel with a steep curve to it, it will catch the air and spin the wheel with little to no air required. I've attached a horrible diagram to try and explain this being I feel like I’m not able to put into words what I mean.

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Our 9 Blade features completely redesigned blades so we took into account that there were fewer blades and because of that the angle/size at which we made our blades is different than our 12 blade turbine wheel. After it was all said and done our 9 blade is about 20% lighter then our 12 blade. Our 9 blade Stage 1 made 205 whp over a stock 16G turbo on an Evo so it definitely performs well.

Haha hopefully my babbling made sense :biggrin:

familyMAN

09-21-2011, 05:13 PM

Makes sense. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough, when a dyno is posted from a 3S;) For all of us that are curious, could you post the dyno's of the Evo with stock 16G, stage 1 and stage 3?

IPD

09-21-2011, 06:33 PM

makes sense to me. i was going to guess that you'd adjust the pitch of the blades to compensate.

NOMIEZVR4

09-22-2011, 09:18 PM

This is getting me excited. Once my car is running again, I can't wait to be the test dummy for the TDO4 Billet wheels...don't forget about me Dan! :p

92RT-TT

09-23-2011, 12:02 AM

This is getting me excited. Once my car is running again, I can't wait to be the test dummy for the TDO4 Billet wheels...don't forget about me Dan! :p

Haha I'll keep ya posted! ;)

92RT-TT

09-30-2011, 12:20 AM

Updated the first post with a little teaser pic and some info ;)

niterydr

09-30-2011, 12:34 AM

92RT-TT

09-30-2011, 12:55 AM

Good work on the TD05 stuff. I would also be interested in the TD04 turbo upgrades this spring and I am local, well versed in tuning, and my car is healthy/getting setup for E85 and has strong 9b's on it now.

Thanks! Sounds good man, you've always been really good with tuning 3S's. Having a local person test them would be nice too so we could actually be there and see them in action. I'll let you know when we get closer to starting them! :)

mehrshadvr4

09-30-2011, 01:01 AM

pretty cool, but i'm kind of concern with the amount of back pressure these turbos will have with higher boost/power. it's amazing that one of them made 650whp on a evo, so in theory they should make 1000whp on a 3s with 2 right? but would the amount of back pressure chock up the engine specially on a 3.5L engine?i think Jrod was having the same problem with his car. i have 16gs on my car but the engine is stock.

IPD

09-30-2011, 02:19 AM

IPD

09-30-2011, 10:50 AM

can you PM me with a price for the billet compressor & upgraded turbine for a SET of 16g's? (compressor price separate from turbine price, if possible)

i've got to decide whether or not to buy OEM mhi & send to you, or try for another type of upgrade.

thanks!

mehrshadvr4

09-30-2011, 10:54 AM

92RT-TT

09-30-2011, 11:20 AM

One thing to remember is on the Evo VIII, it uses a 9cm2 aka 65 AR roughly turbine housing and the Evo III is a 7cm2 .49 AR roughly. The larger the AR the slower exhaust gas travels through the turbine and the slower boost response you will have at lower rpms. One thing that obviously affects spool and exhaust gas velocity is the turbine wheel which is something we took into account when we made our new turbine shafts. Another thing which will help eliminate any potential bottle necking with the Evo III turbine housing is we will be porting all of the exhaust housings so that should eliminate most of the difference between the higher AR Evo VIII turbine housing. Given that the compressor side will be the same (the stage 2 & 3 we do have to weld a sleeve in like our TD04 19Ts) the only difference is the turbine housing and even that is not a huge difference after we finish porting them and after getting our new turbine wheels.

Its all about the engines VE (volumetric efficiency). At any given RPM an engines CFM flow is based off of several factors. From our estimations and from what we've seen with the Evo's with a 1.5L and the 7cm2 housing ported bigger with a different trim turbine wheel, we should be right on for maximizing the engines VE with the turbos. Things to keep in mind also are that we aren't using a 20 year old compressor wheel or turbine wheel design. Everything is new and has been tested, changed and tested again to maximize efficiency.

Familymans TD05 stage 1 Billet turbos should be done within the next 1 1/2 weeks so hopefully he'll be able to get them on the dyno shortly after that so we can get some results up! :).

mehrshadvr4

09-30-2011, 01:27 PM

if you want to test these turbos on stock engine i'm willing to offer my turbos also. my turbos are almost bran new :D .

92RT-TT

09-30-2011, 01:38 PM

We may do one more test with the stage 1 turbos after we get the results from Familyman, otherwise we'll just be looking for a tester for the Stage 2 or 3.

familyMAN

10-10-2011, 01:21 AM

How are the turbos coming along? :) Can you post the evo's and srt4 dyno?

92RT-TT

10-10-2011, 01:44 PM

We finished the fixture to hold the turbine housing in our lathe today so we are going to be starting on machining the compressor housing and the turbine housing. Should be done with everything by wed/thursday. We'll upload some pictures towards the end of the week too.

Here's one of the dyno graphs of our smallest Billet wheel on an Evo VIII.
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/hemidartguy/a2366f63.jpg

familyMAN

10-10-2011, 07:19 PM

Not bad. Is that with the same compressor and turbine wheels I am getting?

familyMAN

10-10-2011, 09:09 PM

in theory yes, but somehow Jrod only made ~730whp on 5857 turbos with td05 hot side at 33 psi. SAF68 made 740awhp @ 22 psi with same turbo but with T3 hot side .SAF68 did have stroker, but i'm not sure how much difference that would make.

On Jrod's 730awhp dyno, I believe he had the 5557's on at the time and only .48 AR (positive it was .48), thus holding up the top end. Since Saf went from .63 dr1000s to 5857, I'm sure he didn't downsize, so he was likely running .63 on the 5857. Unfortunately, not really a good comparison of td05 vs t3. Well, maybe it is a good comparison...a 5557 (or 5857) .48 would need more psi to achieve same peak power as 5857 .63. I am not aware of anyone posting results of a 5857 .63 td05 on either a td05 or otherwise.

if this turbo makes close to 1000whp or more i will definitely send my turbos to them.

As I understand it, so far they are only releasing the "stage 1" which will not make 1000awhp on a 3S.

92RT-TT

10-10-2011, 10:21 PM

Not bad. Is that with the same compressor and turbine wheels I am getting?

Yes that is the same combo that you are getting.

As I understand it, so far they are only releasing the "stage 1" which will not make 1000awhp on a 3S.

As soon as we release the "stage one" we are planning to release stage 2 and 3 soon afterwards. Depending on the results from the stage 1 we may change the combo of turbine shafts and compressor wheels in the stage 2 and 3 to try to optimize them for the 3.0L engine.

niterydr

10-11-2011, 01:02 PM

Interesting Evo graph, any supporting mods list available?
AFR looks like an E85 tune.

92RT-TT

10-11-2011, 03:33 PM

Yep that was E85, good eye Josh :). It had MBC, Aftermarket catback exhaust, 1150 cc injectors, and stage 1 cams

DaveSlow

10-11-2011, 04:46 PM

How is the mitsubishi turbo pricing increase going to affect the overall price of these?

niterydr

10-11-2011, 06:00 PM

Yep that was E85, good eye Josh :). It had MBC, Aftermarket catback exhaust, 1150 cc injectors, and stage 1 cams

Stout! I am assuming Open ECU tuning then? Boost comes on a little "lazy" for what I would expect with an MBC, but it may not be set that hard, also looks like the dyno operator just hit "go" at 2k, I bet it spools harder on the street.

More specs on the wheel when available :) I am assuming stock comp and turbine housings?

92RT-TT

10-11-2011, 07:27 PM

How is the mitsubishi turbo pricing increase going to affect the overall price of these?

We are going to try and price these reasonably but of course if our cost goes up because mitsu raises the cost of the Evo III's then that will make the price of our turbos go up too :/

Stout! I am assuming Open ECU tuning then? Boost comes on a little "lazy" for what I would expect with an MBC, but it may not be set that hard, also looks like the dyno operator just hit "go" at 2k, I bet it spools harder on the street.

More specs on the wheel when available :) I am assuming stock comp and turbine housings?

Right again Josh lol. Yeah when they dyno'd it they pretty much put the hammer down at 2500.

Yep, externally these will look like stock Evo III's, its what's inside that makes the magic happen :D

niterydr

10-11-2011, 09:55 PM

We are going to try and price these reasonably but of course if our cost goes up because mitsu raises the cost of the Evo III's then that will make the price of our turbos go up too :/

Right again Josh lol. Yeah when they dyno'd it they pretty much put the hammer down at 2500.

Yep, externally these will look like stock Evo III's, its what's inside that makes the magic happen :D

LOL, just naming off the obvious. Let me know when you get that new shop car Dan and I may have to come on over to check it out/check the place out.