FPS Games

[YoshiBishi]

Anyone play online FPS games? I'm playing black ops and bad company 2 right now. Already pre-ordered my BF3 ;).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xSt_tPz5pA

[FeaRpb]

I am just waiting for BF3 to come out.

[DrGonzo]

You dirty Noob Tuber!!!! LMAO......

[ictponder]

I still can't believe how completely fake black ops looks compared to Bad Company 2. It seriously looks like a FPS from 10 years ago.

Anyway, BF3 on pre-order can't wait. It's going to make MW3 look like sims.

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

Still playing a lot of TF2 and MW2

[YoshiBishi]

I still can't believe how completely fake black ops looks compared to Bad Company 2. It seriously looks like a FPS from 10 years ago.

Anyway, BF3 on pre-order can't wait. It's going to make MW3 look like sims.

Agreed. I have tons of hours in BF2 and Bad Company 2. BF3 is going to cause me to postpone marriage.

[Alan92RTTT]

Waiting for Rage.

I never got into Realistic FPS's.

[guido1205us]

Battlezone, Woflenstein 3d, Dungeon Master - plenty of eye candy, easily stress today's over-clocked, high-end gaming computer!!

Been retro gaming for nostalgia.

[IPD]

last console FPS i played was goldeneye wii. i'm perfectly happy playing alien swarm instead of any console fps's. new vegas is sitting unopened, waiting for it's turn--so i've no need for anything else.

[Jeremy C]

Playing Borderlands still (in fact, just hopped out of it), and as far as I'm concerned STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl is the best FPS on the market still. I don't care about any of the CoD or MW games as multiplayer PvP gets boring after about 5 minutes. Co-op is much more fun (Borderlands, L4D2, etc).

[MNRVR4]

Ive been pondering getting Dead Island.

[ictponder]

Ive been pondering getting Dead Island.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlyxI5fgdJo253jSwOYzaEd6WaTF5FT c5_cTCDdOmJJNp-BEhC If you like then buy it :)

[FeaRpb]

I did the exact thing. GLad I didn't waste money on it.

[ictponder]

I really liked "From Dust" on XBL Arcade but it could have lasted longer with more interaction. I'd love to see a console remake of Black & White or even a new Black & White 3 on the XBOX. Yes I know it's not FPS.

[Vince86]

A groups of 7 Friends and I normally get together some nights and play on XBL with bad company 2, formed into 2 squads in party chat and rape everything all night long. Its absolutely amazing. We are all super stoked for B3 and are pretty much Done with the CoD's because they are inferior to the frostbite engine Battlefield runs on. I love the idea of no wall being safe to hide behind. if you can shoot a bitch with a bullet, get good old carl gustav out to meet a badger. As far as dead island, I do like it, but its not worth anything over $25 IMHO. I have a sweet gaming PC rig but all my friends only have consoles so I still play there and pirate Pc versions most of the time.

SC ForgottenOne is my live name, feel free to add me. I play when I have time after class and studying.

[AgentOblivious]

Ugh only halfway through downloading the BF3 beta...

[Vince86]

Ugh only halfway through downloading the BF3 beta...

Would have been playing all day but I never got my email :-( ... I sent them a service ticket and will have it tomorrow for sure.

[AgentOblivious]

Would have been playing all day but I never got my email :-( ... I sent them a service ticket and will have it tomorrow for sure.

Took forever to download...finally got it and now I can't seem to be able to pick a server and the ones it sticks me on are all laggy. Other than that...its one of if not the best FPS this year.....and it has tanks too.

And the sound....over the top, amazing...I don't think I've played another FPS where you get the same feel that bullets are whizzing by.

[Vince86]

I have been on xbox live support for about 30 minutes now, they are trying to figure out why the Beta is not showing up in my live marketplace. Also I had to wait in que for EA chat for 4 hours since the bastards kept disconnecting me before I got my beta key... now its all on xbox live. WTF why can I not just get in this bitch and shoots some badgers

[trix]

Playing quakelive quakworld. Cant stand cod/bf/cs or controllers

[terrets]

How are you downloading the BF3 beta, says available tomorrow UGHHH

[Vince86]

How are you downloading the BF3 beta, says available tomorrow UGHHH

People who had medal of honor liited edition and input the code it came with online got early access. and In my case, anyone who pre-ordered B3 from Origin.com (Ea's online store) got 48 hour early access.

Playing quakelive quakworld. Cant stand cod/bf/cs or controllers
Sounds like you may not have given Bf an honest chance. Also B3 is designed around the PC this time around, no controllers needed for that version :-)

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Been playing mostly BFBC2, MW and BO are a joke compared to it. Used to be big into both, but nothing beats beating able to fly, drive, and blow through walls at your discretion + realistic bullet paths. Looks amazing too. L4D series got old (after about 600 hours).

My fall-back game is TF2. Up to 817 hours on that, and I was playing TF long before they started keeping track of how long you've played. Still doesn't get old.

[FeaRpb]

Just bought all the things for my computer build. Also bought BF3.

I am almost ready!

[Vince86]

Sweet what you putting in your rig?

[FeaRpb]

Asus Crosshair mobo
Twin 6950's
AMD Phenom II x6
8 gigs of ram
60gig ssd
And some other things.



I will post up benchmarks when its all setup.

[Vince86]

Nice build man, gonna be sick.

[Amphiron]

sigh on the phenom x6, the quad i7's are faster and the same price range. Otherwise, nice rig!
Anyone that argues otherwise here's benchmarks on single core performance.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/processor-architecture-benchmark,2974-9.html

[IPD]

wtf ever. amd > intel. beating amd in a value market is a needle in a haystack for intel. amd is totally where its at.

[Amphiron]

The i5 quad is faster than the x6 even while utilizing all cores. It's the same price, you're not getting more for less. If you look at any charts you will see quite quickly the core i5 2400 quad is the best valued CPU currently on the market. Number of cores doesn't mean anything when they have inferior architecture.
Charts, benchmarks Desktop CPU Charts 2010, Gaming: Left 4 Dead (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/Gaming-Left-4-Dead,2432.html)

[Jeremy C]

Now, now... don't pick on the AMD fan. They haven't had anything to stand on since Intel woke up from their multi-year inebriation known as the p4. :p

I've been nursing along this old q6600 for ~4 years now. Tax return will be paying for me a shiny new Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge-E setup (or maybe IB-E if it's out then?) and this rig will be broke down into the wife and kids computers. I'm looking forward to see how long the next computer will hold up.

[Vince86]

wtf ever. amd > intel. beating amd in a value market is a needle in a haystack for intel. amd is totally where its at.

This^... I have been running the i7 for a while now. yeah I love it but after lots of research and working with other processors in class, I have quickly learned Intel is great for Servers and the like. However when it comes to gaming AMD has the better market simply because of cost and the fact both brand perform nearly the same. AMD has come a long way since the 90s, because of them Intel doesnt control the PC market anymore.

[Amphiron]

Now, now... don't pick on the AMD fan. They haven't had anything to stand on since Intel woke up from their multi-year inebriation known as the p4. :p

I've been nursing along this old q6600 for ~4 years now. Tax return will be paying for me a shiny new Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge-E setup (or maybe IB-E if it's out then?) and this rig will be broke down into the wife and kids computers. I'm looking forward to see how long the next computer will hold up.



This^... I have been running the i7 for a while now. yeah I love it but after lots of research and working with other processors in class, I have quickly learned Intel is great for Servers and the like. However when it comes to gaming AMD has the better market simply because of cost and the fact both brand perform nearly the same. AMD has come a long way since the 90s, because of them Intel doesnt control the PC market anymore.

I'm not going to leave them alone until they realize they are wrong.
Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: September 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-3.html)
The same results from another source.
AnandTech - Bench - CPU (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2)
AMD/ATi do have it down when it comes to GPU's but their success there does not transfer over to CPU's.

I can't imagine any PC lasting as long as the domination combination of the q6600 and the Nvidia 8800 series. Thats what I'm running since 07 and BF3 is the first game that's crippled my PC.

[IPD]

I'm not going to leave them alone until they realize they are wrong.
Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: September 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-3.html)
The same results from another source.
AnandTech - Bench - CPU (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2)
AMD/ATi do have it down when it comes to GPU's but their success there does not transfer over to CPU's.

I can't imagine any PC lasting as long as the domination combination of the q6600 and the Nvidia 8800 series. Thats what I'm running since 07 and BF3 is the first game that's crippled my PC.

momentary snapshot of a brief period of time. intel taking the value crown from amd is even more fleeting than nvidia taking the performance crown from ati. the trend has been--and continues to be--that amd has the best value for the money. long term trends prove this.

better still, amd's upcoming integrated cpu/gpu solutions will THAT much better for gaming than intel's pathetic "on board" graphics or slapping an nvidia card in an intel motherboard.

amd has been the value king since the k6-2. next thing we know, you'll be telling me that dell pc's are "leet".

[bluefox1081]

Downloaded the Battlefield 3 beta on PS3, and I have to say one thing. If the game is anything like the beta, I'm gonna be seriously pissed off.

[FeaRpb]

Beta is beta

[ictponder]

Beta is beta

This ^ The game will be much better. It does suck that you won't get the online experience that you would from Live but the graphics might looks a little better.

[Alan92RTTT]

amd v intel
mac v pc
nvidia v ATI


You will never convince someone on the other side. Argue only if you enjoy beating your head into a wall :D

At the time I got my x6 it was not the best bang for the buck. It did kill all of the similar priced Intel in media encoding. The media encoding speed with the ease of upgrade from the 5000+ I'd had kept me in the AMD camp.


ON thread topic, I should have Rage tommorow :D

[IPD]

rage looks VERY promising...but i'll wait & see. sad thing is, Id hasn't offered as good FPS's as Epic in the last 10 years, imho. yet epic has apparently sold out to bloodly consoles (gears, etc). it would be nice if rage hasn't dropped the ball. i won't hold my breath; it IS a console release as well.

[Alan92RTTT]

I liked D3 which was their last real project. (at least from the core team) Anything since then has just been teams working with the engine.

[Amphiron]

I'm still waiting for episode 3.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

I'm not going to leave them alone until they realize they are wrong.
Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: September 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-3.html)
The same results from another source.
AnandTech - Bench - CPU (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2)
AMD/ATi do have it down when it comes to GPU's but their success there does not transfer over to CPU's.

I can't imagine any PC lasting as long as the domination combination of the q6600 and the Nvidia 8800 series. Thats what I'm running since 07 and BF3 is the first game that's crippled my PC.

Same here, that was money well spent way back when. BF3 on Ultra is still almost playable with the 8800GT...almost, but definitely not. Plays great on low/medium. Going to upgrade the GPU and that's it, I bet it plays perfect on ultra with just the Q6600. Looks and sounds amazing in the beta phase, definitely will buy.

[Zaroth]

I'm not going to leave them alone until they realize they are wrong.
Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: September 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-3.html)
The same results from another source.
AnandTech - Bench - CPU (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2)
AMD/ATi do have it down when it comes to GPU's but their success there does not transfer over to CPU's.

I can't imagine any PC lasting as long as the domination combination of the q6600 and the Nvidia 8800 series. Thats what I'm running since 07 and BF3 is the first game that's crippled my PC.

As long as you have enough processor not to bottleneck your videocard it's a non issue for most games. Pick your favorite flavor. Everybody puts such a ridiculous focus on processors for gaming rigs when they should be spending their money on a better videocard.

I have built a ton of both Intel and AMD rigs. AMDs software and tweaks have always felt very enthusiast oriented and now even more than ever with the ATI buyout.

I personally have always been an AMD fan and wouldn't buy an Intel processor for one of my gaming rigs if it was cheaper and shit rainbows

[Vince86]

Soo Back on Topic. Rage is pretty sweet. Its huge (3 disks) and reminds me a lot of Borderlands without the cartoony look. graphics are sick. One of my favorite things so far is when you shoot a badger in the leg and he takes enough damage they limp. Only played for about an hour but seems pretty promising, especially with online coop (again like borderlands)

[Alan92RTTT]

I'm not going to leave them alone until they realize they are wrong.
Best Gaming CPU: $100-$200 : Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: September 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-sandy-bridge-cpu,3030-3.html)
The same results from another source.
AnandTech - Bench - CPU (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2)
AMD/ATi do have it down when it comes to GPU's but their success there does not transfer over to CPU's.

I can't imagine any PC lasting as long as the domination combination of the q6600 and the Nvidia 8800 series. Thats what I'm running since 07 and BF3 is the first game that's crippled my PC.
Your "until they realize they are wrong" comment keeps bugging me. Lets look at the X6 1075. Yes based on the price and gaming performance the X6 is not the best bang for the $$. If you look closely at the raw scores on the games you'll see two things. IN most of the games it is one of the top performers and the top performers are only separated by few frames per second. If you stopped here the i5-2300 and the i3-2100 do look like better ways to spend money.

But gaming is not the complete story....

Somethign you need to think about when you tell people that AMD the right choice. Not everyone builds a system for just gaming. Sure the intel has some great low end options but lets look at other scores.

Lets look at media encoding, zipping, photoshop applications that really use multi threading and use it correctly.

Benchmark Results: Applications : Six New Phenom II And Athlon II CPUs From AMD (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-x6-1075t-phenom-ii-x4-970-phenom-ii-x2-560,2749-5.html)

All of the sudden the X6 is hanging with and beating the i5 and i7 chips and a much lower cost point. When you consider applications and gaming the 1075 X6 for $160 is a much better buy than the I7-920 at $260.


You should to keep things like this in mind when you spout off about people being "wrong" just because their buying decisions don't match yours don't mean they are "wrong".

[FeaRpb]

Love the input Alan

[IPD]

thanks, alan. one more thing i'll add. without AMD, there would be a monopoly; and we'd all be paying 3x as much for a cpu. always root for the little guys.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Your "until they realize they are wrong" comment keeps bugging me. Lets look at the X6 1075. Yes based on the price and gaming performance the X6 is not the best bang for the $$. If you look closely at the raw scores on the games you'll see two things. IN most of the games it is one of the top performers and the top performers are only separated by few frames per second. If you stopped here the i5-2300 and the i3-2100 do look like better ways to spend money.

But gaming is not the complete story....

Somethign you need to think about when you tell people that AMD the right choice. Not everyone builds a system for just gaming. Sure the intel has some great low end options but lets look at other scores.

Lets look at media encoding, zipping, photoshop applications that really use multi threading and use it correctly.

Benchmark Results: Applications : Six New Phenom II And Athlon II CPUs From AMD (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-x6-1075t-phenom-ii-x4-970-phenom-ii-x2-560,2749-5.html)

All of the sudden the X6 is hanging with and beating the i5 and i7 chips and a much lower cost point. When you consider applications and gaming the 1075 X6 for $160 is a much better buy than the I7-920 at $260.


You should to keep things like this in mind when you spout off about people being "wrong" just because their buying decisions don't match yours don't mean they are "wrong".

Your link shows the i5 750 beating out the x6 in most of the categories, and it's at the same price point...

AMD fanbois, jeesh.

[Alan92RTTT]

cheapest 750 I found was $200 where do you see it for $160.

Newegg as the 650 for $174

"Your link shows the i5 750 beating out the x6 in most of the categories"
x6 v 750
itunes 750 by 10 seconds
handbrake x6 by 1 minute 46 seconds
TMPGEnic x6 by 20 seconds
mpeg2 to x.264 X6 by 30 seconds
autodesk x6 by 3 seconds
adobe 750 by 3 seconds
avg 750 by 7 seconds
winrar 750 by 23 seconds
7zip x6 by 15 seconds

9 tests
4 to the 750
5 to the X6
seems pretty even to me.

I said "All of the sudden the X6 is hanging with and beating the i5 and i7 chips and a much lower cost point. When you consider applications and gaming the 1075 X6 for $160 is a much better buy than the I7-920 at $260. " Which if you look at the results is a fair statement.

[EaryDayImTrollin]

i play black ops on PS3 (xBlackxSheepx) add me and we can play..

[MR2]

My Laptop has a i7-950 :) can't wait for BF3 :) might even move to a 990x just for it!

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

cheapest 750 I found was $200 where do you see it for $160.

Newegg as the 650 for $174

"Your link shows the i5 750 beating out the x6 in most of the categories"
x6 v 750
itunes 750 by 10 seconds
handbrake x6 by 1 minute 46 seconds
TMPGEnic x6 by 20 seconds
mpeg2 to x.264 X6 by 30 seconds
autodesk x6 by 3 seconds
adobe 750 by 3 seconds
avg 750 by 7 seconds
winrar 750 by 23 seconds
7zip x6 by 15 seconds

9 tests
4 to the 750
5 to the X6
seems pretty even to me.

I said "All of the sudden the X6 is hanging with and beating the i5 and i7 chips and a much lower cost point. When you consider applications and gaming the 1075 X6 for $160 is a much better buy than the I7-920 at $260. " Which if you look at the results is a fair statement.

Ahh I didn't see the x6 for $160, saw the one for $189. How about the i5 2500k? If you want to be fair, then compare the intel chip that's at the same price point. It beats out the 1100 X6 and is $160. Admittedly I haven't checked into whether the 1075 is better than the 1100, but I would imagine the $190 1100T would be better than the $160 1075T, no?

Benchmark Results: SiSoftware Sandra 2011 : Intel (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-14.html)

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Ahh I didn't see the x6 for $160, saw the one for $189. How about the i5 2500k? If you want to be fair, then compare the intel chip that's at the same price point. It beats out the 1100 X6 and is $160. Admittedly I haven't checked into whether the 1075 is better than the 1100, but I would imagine the $190 1100T would be better than the $160 1075T, no?

Benchmark Results: SiSoftware Sandra 2011 : Intel (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-14.html)

The i5 2500k is a great chip and will dominate the amd chips out right now, especially with an overclock. Mine is running 4.2ghz on stock voltage and just by changing the multiplier. Haven't tried faster, but most hit 4.5 or so with a little extra voltage.

Hell my i3 2100 beats the x6 in some visual studio stuff I use all day.

Some of the comparisons from before are gen 1 I series chips, which were a lot slower. Make sure you get a lga 1155 chip, not 1156. 1155 is series 2.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

[Alan92RTTT]

Ahh I didn't see the x6 for $160, saw the one for $189. How about the i5 2500k? If you want to be fair, then compare the intel chip that's at the same price point. It beats out the 1100 X6 and is $160. Admittedly I haven't checked into whether the 1075 is better than the 1100, but I would imagine the $190 1100T would be better than the $160 1075T, no?

Benchmark Results: SiSoftware Sandra 2011 : Intel (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-14.html)

Newegg has the 2500k for 210 where are you finding it for $160
The 1100k is 190 at Newegg

Looking at a comparison I found on anandtech its as I'd expect the 2500k has a edge over the course of about 30 tests.


But you've missed my point. I'm not trying to get into the AMD v Intel battle. I was trying to show their are reasons that someone might pick AMD that went outside of the small case of tests that Cory was using for his "until they realize they are wrong" comment.

[IPD]

lol. corey is usually wrong....that's what makes this even funnier.

[Alan92RTTT]

Not that corey. :corey:

Amphiron's real name is Cory

[IPD]

i have a cumulatively low impression of people named on variations of "corey". :)

[FeaRpb]

:corey:

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Newegg has the 2500k for 210 where are you finding it for $160
The 1100k is 190 at Newegg

Looking at a comparison I found on anandtech its as I'd expect the 2500k has a edge over the course of about 30 tests.


But you've missed my point. I'm not trying to get into the AMD v Intel battle. I was trying to show their are reasons that someone might pick AMD that went outside of the small case of tests that Cory was using for his "until they realize they are wrong" comment.

Wish I would have linked it this morning, it was on there for $159 but out of stock. No where to be found now, must not have been a legit price judging by what they're at. Oh well, I wasn't trying to do the Intel vs AMD battle either because I don't have a preference (The last AMD chip I had was the 3700+ and that destroyed all.). I just find that AMD fanboi's a lot of times claim superiority purely based on loyalty and reasons having nothing to do with performance (monopoly bs), but you have a good point.

[IPD]

concerns about monopoly are NOT BS. given performance around parity, i will deliberately side with the underdog. without continued competition, my next purchase may be substantially more expensive. no thanks.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

concerns about monopoly are NOT BS. given performance around parity, i will deliberately side with the underdog. without continued competition, my next purchase may be substantially more expensive. no thanks.

That's just customer loyalty, and I'm okay with that. However, I do hope your tune changes if the performance v. price is ever lacking. An inferior product deserves to fail, and that goes for either side.

[IPD]

not customer loyalty. i always naturally flock to underdogs. if intel was an underling, i'd probably be rooting for them. i liked cyrix back in the day too. i hold very few brand allegiances that will remain as thus regardless of market dominance or not.

p.s.
i will remain a loyal nintendo fan till the day someone pries the NES controller from my cold, dead hands.

[FeaRpb]

Just started messing with it, this is where I am at so far

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f52/feardevil/42.jpg?t=

24c idle and normal ish usage, 41c at 100% cpu usage.

[IPD]

Just started messing with it, this is where I am at so far

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f52/feardevil/42.jpg?t=

24c idle and normal ish usage, 41c at 100% cpu usage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8WA-zb0dWo

[Jeremy C]

Newegg has the 2500k for 210 where are you finding it for $160
The 1100k is 190 at Newegg

Looking at a comparison I found on anandtech its as I'd expect the 2500k has a edge over the course of about 30 tests.


But you've missed my point. I'm not trying to get into the AMD v Intel battle. I was trying to show their are reasons that someone might pick AMD that went outside of the small case of tests that Cory was using for his "until they realize they are wrong" comment.

Microcenter: i5 2500k - $149.99 Instant - [H]ard|Forum (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1639937)

Right down the street from you too Alan. :p

Going back to the thread topic: Had a major bummer of a news piece come up. I've been a huge fan of the STALKER series games for years now. It seems that GSC has decided that they want to screw over their main fanbase by making STALKER 2 for consoles and giving PC users a big finger by giving it always-on DRM. It's a shame, really. All three of the games out really shine once the community breaks into it and starts modding them. With this Ubisoft style of DRM they are insuring that I will not be purchasing their game unless I see it for about $5. You would think that companies would see the loss of sales and increase in piracy when they do this shit? RAGE has been considered a flop on PC, Crysis 2 was a phenomenal flop compared to the original, and with this announcement I see the next STALKER being a failure. There's hardly any name recognition outside of the PC community, so I don't see it selling on consoles all that well and the pc community is going to shun it because they feel like they've been sold out by the developer.

DRM does not stop piracy. It only stops legit sales.

[MR2]

just install steam...makes live easier than dealing with each individual companies rubbish.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Microcenter: i5 2500k - $149.99 Instant - [H]ard|Forum (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1639937)

Right down the street from you too Alan. :p

Going back to the thread topic: Had a major bummer of a news piece come up. I've been a huge fan of the STALKER series games for years now. It seems that GSC has decided that they want to screw over their main fanbase by making STALKER 2 for consoles and giving PC users a big finger by giving it always-on DRM. It's a shame, really. All three of the games out really shine once the community breaks into it and starts modding them. With this Ubisoft style of DRM they are insuring that I will not be purchasing their game unless I see it for about $5. You would think that companies would see the loss of sales and increase in piracy when they do this shit? RAGE has been considered a flop on PC, Crysis 2 was a phenomenal flop compared to the original, and with this announcement I see the next STALKER being a failure. There's hardly any name recognition outside of the PC community, so I don't see it selling on consoles all that well and the pc community is going to shun it because they feel like they've been sold out by the developer.

DRM does not stop piracy. It only stops legit sales.

Hrmmmmm, back to my original statements then :D

[Zaroth]

Microcenter: i5 2500k - $149.99 Instant - [H]ard|Forum (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1639937)

Right down the street from you too Alan. :p


That is an in store deal. Not really applicable to the conversation lol.

[Alan92RTTT]

That a sale price. You can't compare a sale to a regular price :p


OH yea, don't buy Rage. (unless you want to be really pissed off owning a buggy pos game.) The multiplayer is fun and looks awesome.

Here is a fun quote{quote=John Carmack]“We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," he explained. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it."[/quote]

Yea, not buying ID games till they hit bargain pricing from how on.

I don't give a shit if your primary focus was consoles making a crap ass buggy PC port is inexcusable. Rocksteady proved with Batman:Arkhanm Asylum that a good PC port can be done.

[IPD]

That a sale price. You can't compare a sale to a regular price :p


OH yea, don't buy Rage. (unless you want to be really pissed off owning a buggy pos game.) The multiplayer is fun and looks awesome.

Here is a fun quote
“We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games," he explained. "That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version. A high end PC is nearly 10 times as powerful as a console, and we could unquestionably provide a better experience if we chose that as our design point and we were able to expend the same amount of resources on it."

Yea, not buying ID games till they hit bargain pricing from how on.

I don't give a shit if your primary focus was consoles making a crap ass buggy PC port is inexcusable. Rocksteady proved with Batman:Arkhanm Asylum that a good PC port can be done.

100% agree. however, i still insist that FPS's should be designed first and foremost for PC. i don't give a flip what kind of consumer-base is on consoles. if you do not design for PC, the quality will be shit across the board. besides, with the last 3 generations of consoles becoming increasingly more "PC like", it should be an elementary proposition to port PC-based games these days. just downscale them & remove all the graphic polish.

oh wait...THAT'S why they don't want to make pc games. it has nothing to do with consumer base; it has everything to do with being lazy & wanting to cash in while doing a minimal amount of work. i hope the rest of you are with me in voting with your wallets.

p.s.
i STILL refuse to own an xbox/ps3 because of the systemic destruction of FPS gaming on PC's.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

100% agree. however, i still insist that FPS's should be designed first and foremost for PC. i don't give a flip what kind of consumer-base is on consoles. if you do not design for PC, the quality will be shit across the board. besides, with the last 3 generations of consoles becoming increasingly more "PC like", it should be an elementary proposition to port PC-based games these days. just downscale them & remove all the graphic polish.

oh wait...THAT'S why they don't want to make pc games. it has nothing to do with consumer base; it has everything to do with being lazy & wanting to cash in while doing a minimal amount of work. i hope the rest of you are with me in voting with your wallets.

p.s.
i STILL refuse to own an xbox/ps3 because of the systemic destruction of FPS gaming on PC's.

Agreed, console ports suck for the most part. Everyone seems to do a half-ass job. xbox is good for Forza and MMA, but FPS games are meant to be playing with a mouse and a keyboard.

[Jeremy C]

That price for the 2500K pops up pretty often. You said you couldn't find it for that price, I proved you wrong. You can't go adding stipulations after the fact. :p The entire thing can come down to this: If you want a cheap, bang for the buck cpu, go AMD. If you want the best, go Intel. There's no arguing that any which way.

As for the Steam comment - Steam does not remove a companies in-place DRM. A good example would be Batman: AA. Though I installed it through Steam, I still have to use it's retarded DRM that makes me activate each install and then deactivate it before uninstalling plus it and DoW II had to go through GFWL even though I activated it through Steam. My steam library (most of it): SteamCalculator.com - How much is your Steam Account worth? (http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/jc81) - I am not new to this wonderful little program. ;)

I stand by most of you when I say that these companies are starting to shoot themselves with their turning to consoles for their games. Console gamers are loyal to 2 things: Their parents so they don't get kicked out and CoD/BF (whichever one is their flavor). Most console players I know don't even buy the games anymore. They rent from Gamefly or Blockbuster or wherever. PC gamers on the other hand seem to build relationships with companies. Just look at the Intel vs AMD thing going on here, and I won't get into the love affair most gamers have with Gabe Newell. Most PC Gamers feel that they are being betrayed by the companies that they built up with their money (Crytek is the poster child for this). I can see GSC failing as well with STALKER 2 this way since it's going both console port and have draconian DRM on top of it. If id thinks they can make their living off consoles, I can see them failing as well with their slow churn rate on new games on their lack of recognition with console players.

TL;DR - game developers are biting the hand that feeds them, and will get themselves hurt in the process.

[IPD]

That price for the 2500K pops up pretty often. You said you couldn't find it for that price, I proved you wrong. You can't go adding stipulations after the fact. :p The entire thing can come down to this: If you want a cheap, bang for the buck cpu, go AMD. If you want the best, go Intel. There's no arguing that any which way.

As for the Steam comment - Steam does not remove a companies in-place DRM. A good example would be Batman: AA. Though I installed it through Steam, I still have to use it's retarded DRM that makes me activate each install and then deactivate it before uninstalling plus it and DoW II had to go through GFWL even though I activated it through Steam. My steam library (most of it): SteamCalculator.com - How much is your Steam Account worth? (http://www.steamcalculator.com/id/jc81) - I am not new to this wonderful little program. ;)

I stand by most of you when I say that these companies are starting to shoot themselves with their turning to consoles for their games. Console gamers are loyal to 2 things: Their parents so they don't get kicked out and CoD/BF (whichever one is their flavor). Most console players I know don't even buy the games anymore. They rent from Gamefly or Blockbuster or wherever. PC gamers on the other hand seem to build relationships with companies. Just look at the Intel vs AMD thing going on here, and I won't get into the love affair most gamers have with Gabe Newell. Most PC Gamers feel that they are being betrayed by the companies that they built up with their money (Crytek is the poster child for this). I can see GSC failing as well with STALKER 2 this way since it's going both console port and have draconian DRM on top of it. If id thinks they can make their living off consoles, I can see them failing as well with their slow churn rate on new games on their lack of recognition with console players.

TL;DR - game developers are biting the hand that feeds them, and will get themselves hurt in the process.

user created content has always been dominant on PC. while this content does not directly add to the coffers of the game developers, it is this content which creates enduring appeal which can--in turn--generate additional game sales. odd that developers are so blind to this.

[Alan92RTTT]

You said you couldn't find it for that price, I proved you wrong. Technically I said I could not find it on newegg :p

[Jeremy C]

user created content has always been dominant on PC. while this content does not directly add to the coffers of the game developers, it is this content which creates enduring appeal which can--in turn--generate additional game sales. odd that developers are so blind to this.

Yep. I know I keep going back to STALKER, but once again this is a game that fits your description there. The game out of thew box is ok, but really buggy. Thankfully, it is extremely easy to modify, and the Complete 2009 modification for it really brings out the best in the game and makes it a truly awesome experience to play. I guess developers are too blind to realize that the community is just as important as the developers. If the community doesn't like your product, it's going to fail no matter how good you think it is,

[Valhallaz]

I am very disappointed in Rage. The texture popping pretty much makes it unplayable.

[FeaRpb]

So far @4214 it has been stable all weekend. Today I get my video cards and will start overclocking them.

Then its off to benchmark.

[Alan92RTTT]

I am very disappointed in Rage. The texture popping pretty much makes it unplayable.
I'm going to let it sit for a few weeks till its gets sorted out. If can get single player fixed and its looks as good as the multiuplayer does it should be fun.

[Amphiron]

9 tests
4 to the 750
5 to the X6
seems pretty even to me.

The fact that it takes 2 extra cores for AMD's inferior architecture to keep up with Intel's quads is sad. I'm sorry but I can't say it's impressive that AMD's 6 core CPU can hardly keep up with and in some situations surpass Intels 4 core CPU's in a single type of test. I do know that the Thubans strong point is encoding etc, please do consider we are in the topic FPS games.
Also do keep in mind that you are comparing the 1075T with the i5 750. I'm talking about the 2400 and the 2500 vs the 1100t. As you see below the 2400 is superior in every area. There is really no reason to not spend the extra $30 for a 1100T or 2400. You can also find the 2500k on sale for the price of a 1075t if you're lucky.
Compare Intel Core i5-2500 (Sandy Bridge 4c),
Intel Core i5-2400 (Sandy Bridge 4c), Phenom II X6 1100T Hexa Core Processor, Intel Core i5-750s (Lynnfield 4c ) (http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2010/compare,2431.html?prod%5B4789%5D=on&prod%5B4792%5D=on&prod%5B4757%5D=on&prod%5B4484%5D=on)
It's $189 (Same as the 1100t) on Newegg, I'm sure you can find it consistently that price and cheaper in other places.
Alan please just admit that you're mad that you are stuck with an AMD system. :P

[IPD]

it's doubtful that the extra cores make a lot of difference; most software still isn't optimized for more than 2 cores. i remember seeing benchmarks for dual vs. quad--and the results being much the same.

[Alan92RTTT]

In the media encoding tests is was the extra cores that did it. The tests show the number of threads spawned during the test.

Cory, like any intel fanboi you missed my point totally. All I tried to show was that their are reasons other than game performance that figure into CPU selection. People are not "wrong" for picking AMD. While at this specific moment Intel is in the sweet spot and is winning the price/performance race. That can change at any moment. When I build my system AMD was the winner at the price point I was at. Two months from now AMD could be in the lead again.

I have 4 desktops and 2 laptops in the house between them its an even split AMD/Intel.

[ictponder]

All this talk about gaming PC's and I still have my old P4 w/HT. I can't afford a new PC. XBOX FTW

Anyone have any experience with this?
http://hothardware.com/News/XIM3-Adapter-Enables-Keyboard--Mouse-Control-On-Xbox-360


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N828AUeUp5s

[Amphiron]

In the media encoding tests is was the extra cores that did it. The tests show the number of threads spawned during the test.

Cory, like any intel fanboi you missed my point totally. All I tried to show was that their are reasons other than game performance that figure into CPU selection. People are not "wrong" for picking AMD. While at this specific moment Intel is in the sweet spot and is winning the price/performance race. That can change at any moment. When I build my system AMD was the winner at the price point I was at. Two months from now AMD could be in the lead again.

I have 4 desktops and 2 laptops in the house between them its an even split AMD/Intel.

When you built your system the best bang for the buck for media encoding was the AMD X6 1100T as it is quicker at that then the 750 I agree. If AMD is in the lead when I am building my next system I will gladly go for them. I'm not a fanboy however if someone buys a 1100T over a 2400, they are wrong. =D
BTW this is rather on topic, hardware is a crucial part of FPS gaming on PC.
This is interesting. vvv
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/12/amd-fx-processor-brings-eight-cores-to-battle-we-go-eyes-on-vi/

[Jeremy C]

well, it looks like in two months Intel will still be the best out there. Bulldozer hit with power of a Core2 cpu. Now I sit back and wait patiently for Ivy Bridge and the nVidia 600 series to come about.

[Alan92RTTT]

Early reviews on Bulldozer are disappointing to say the least. Even programs that multithreaded properly are not getting the speed they should. The X61100 even beat it in a few.

I did hear that someone did OC one up to 8ghz and got some serious performance from it(and it took the place of a space heater)

[Jeremy C]

I did hear that someone did OC one up to 8ghz and got some serious performance from it(and it took the place of a space heater)

LNC cooling and 2.0+V isn't really going to be beneficial for everyday use, but being able to hit 8GHz is impressive any which way you put it (the video in the link shows the 8GHz OC). I also wonder how stable that chip was since all they did was clock it up in windows but not stress it.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/10/11/amd_bulldozer_fx8150_desktop_performance_review

[onebadmollafolla]

Can't wait for MW3 to come out. Even watching this, a game I play every day makes a bit giddy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFDo_DTDCSM&feature=related

[Vince86]

bf3>Mw3. Haha let the fighting begin.


I myself Was a huge mw fan. I was introduced to bad company 2 by a friend last year and ever since I can't get over how much more fun battlefield has been. The destruction, the vehicles, the class's. You really nave to work together to Make a balanced team. There isn't such a thing as a 1 man team to ruin the whole match when they play 24 hours a day.

Sent from my HP Touchpad

[onebadmollafolla]

bf3>Mw3. Haha let the fighting begin.


No need to fight about it. Everyone likes what they like. I am playing BF2 right now and am being reminded why I quit this game some time ago. :)

[Gamerse]

Jees, I'm still playing Joint Operations. I think the tourney teams are up to campaign 12 or 13 now.... Just put a new laser in the 360, so I might hop on for some COD of one flavor or another.

[IPD]

lol. i haven't played a "war FPS" since one of those "total conversions" for team fortress classic. (i can't even remember what it was called). they're the equivalent of madden NFL games; annual excuse to bilk you out of more $$$ while offering nothing of substantial increase in value.

[Vince86]

I am playing BF2 right now and am being reminded why I quit this game some time ago. :)

That is?

Also side note about Bad company 2, You absolutely cannot play on normal, Hardcore is the only way to play and not rip your hair out. Yeah you get no radar and map or any of that other gay crap but people die when you shoot them (most of the time).

[Zaroth]

That is?

Also side note about Bad company 2, You absolutely cannot play on normal, Hardcore is the only way to play and not rip your hair out. Yeah you get no radar and map or any of that other gay crap but people die when you shoot them (most of the time).

Agreed.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

That is?

Also side note about Bad company 2, You absolutely cannot play on normal, Hardcore is the only way to play and not rip your hair out. Yeah you get no radar and map or any of that other gay crap but people die when you shoot them (most of the time).

Yes, hardcore is the only way to play. 870 combat shotgun is also the way to go. :)

[Jeremy C]

lol. i haven't played a "war FPS" since one of those "total conversions" for team fortress classic. (i can't even remember what it was called). they're the equivalent of madden NFL games; annual excuse to bilk you out of more $$$ while offering nothing of substantial increase in value.

Pretty much. TFC was (and still is) the only game like that I play(ed). The BF and CoD series does nothing for me. I've played MW and thought the single player campaign was alright, but multiplayer was a joke. It rewards you not for skill, but for how long you slog through it. Simply no fun in it for me.

[Zaroth]

Pretty much. TFC was (and still is) the only game like that I play(ed). The BF and CoD series does nothing for me. I've played MW and thought the single player campaign was alright, but multiplayer was a joke. It rewards you not for skill, but for how long you slog through it. Simply no fun in it for me.

That's because MW is horrible and generally ravaged by angry children. Give the new BF3 a try. Based on the beta it's going to be waayy better than bad company was and I loved the hell out of bad company.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

That's because MW is horrible and generally ravaged by angry children. Give the new BF3 a try. Based on the beta it's going to be waayy better than bad company was and I loved the hell out of bad company.


If it's as good as BF2 was, I'll be happy. They took the planes out for bad company, pissed me off.

[YoshiBishi]

amd v intel
mac v pc
nvidia v ATI


You will never convince someone on the other side. Argue only if you enjoy beating your head into a wall :D

At the time I got my x6 it was not the best bang for the buck. It did kill all of the similar priced Intel in media encoding. The media encoding speed with the ease of upgrade from the 5000+ I'd had kept me in the AMD camp.


ON thread topic, I should have Rage tommorow :D

stealth vs 3000gt


In the media encoding tests is was the extra cores that did it. The tests show the number of threads spawned during the test.

Cory, like any intel fanboi you missed my point totally. All I tried to show was that their are reasons other than game performance that figure into CPU selection. People are not "wrong" for picking AMD. While at this specific moment Intel is in the sweet spot and is winning the price/performance race. That can change at any moment. When I build my system AMD was the winner at the price point I was at. Two months from now AMD could be in the lead again.

I have 4 desktops and 2 laptops in the house between them its an even split AMD/Intel.

Which is why I upgraded to a Phenom x6 1090t when COD:BO came out and my wife upgraded to an i7 2600k for BF3. I love AMD, but the current price and benchmarks for now put the i7 2600k as a great CPU.

[Zaroth]

If it's as good as BF2 was, I'll be happy. They took the planes out for bad company, pissed me off.

I feels like BF2 reworked and upgraded. All of the jets are back which is amazing. I was really pissed off that they removed them for bad company. One of the maps they released for the beta was HUGE to accommodate for some epic jet fights.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

I feels like BF2 reworked and upgraded. All of the jets are back which is amazing. I was really pissed off that they removed them for bad company. One of the maps they released for the beta was HUGE to accommodate for some epic jet fights.

I used to love blasting jets out of the air with a rocket launcher when they came in for a landing :)

[onebadmollafolla]

Well worth the watch.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_17Uvfwes

[Boost4VR4]

COD MW3 has consumed my spare time now... and Netflix. I went from level 24 to 40 in one day... wtf...

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Since this is still active, I'll suggest Batman Arkham City. Game is awesome.

[Alan92RTTT]

I'll second that.

Their are some DX11 issues and a few other bugs but its very playable. A patch should be out soon.

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

I'll second that.

Their are some DX11 issues and a few other bugs but its very playable. A patch should be out soon.

Yep, I just turned off the dx11 features and no more issues. Barely noticed the difference in the graphics.

[onebadmollafolla]

Gave BF3 a shot in a game of conquest. I did okay. Guess which one is me. :D

[terrets]

^Same as yo PSN ID lol.. Im so addict to Skyrim its not funny.

Oh wait, you play on PS3, if seen it.. /facepalm

[onebadmollafolla]

^Same as yo PSN ID lol.. Im so addict to Skyrim its not funny.

Oh wait, you play on PS3, if seen it.. /facepalm

Wat...

[terrets]

Isnt your PSN KILLER_3SVR4?

[onebadmollafolla]

Isnt your PSN KILLER_3SVR4?

Ah, yes. Yes it is.

[MR2]

I really don't want to install another freaking program just to get BF3..

is it really that good?

does origin let you install any other games through origin?

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

I really don't want to install another freaking program just to get BF3..

is it really that good?

does origin let you install any other games through origin?

Yes, and yes. It's just like Steam. I got Crysis 2 for $7 through Origin when they had a deal (I wouldn't recommend the game, the first one is FAR superior). Plus they've worked out most of the bugs already. I still think the whole setup is stupid, but it works I guess.

[MR2]

ahhh interesting..

I have like $1k packed into my Steam :|

[onebadmollafolla]

God, I love this guy's videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLHvHBIuG3E

[Jeremy C]

derailing from FPS's - anyone else playing Space Marine on PC? My wife bought it for me as an early Christmas gift, and I've been loving it so far. :D Something fun about being a 9ft tall genetically altered badass slaughtering hordes of orks. Dunno if it will get old or not.

[whitedragon]

derailing from FPS's - anyone else playing Space Marine on PC? My wife bought it for me as an early Christmas gift, and I've been loving it so far. :D Something fun about being a 9ft tall genetically altered badass slaughtering hordes of orks. Dunno if it will get old or not.

I've got it on Xbox!

[Alan92RTTT]

I've thought about getting it.

[Jeremy C]

It's pretty linear, but the combat is very satisfying. The executions to recharge your health are some of the best things I've seen in gaming. Hitting an orks had grand-slam style with a force hammer - brings a tear to your eye. :D

Just played Exterminatus for the first time last night. It's like Last Stand mode from DoW II, but in 3rd person shooter style.

[whitedragon]

It's pretty linear, but the combat is very satisfying. The executions to recharge your health are some of the best things I've seen in gaming. Hitting an orks had grand-slam style with a force hammer - brings a tear to your eye. :D

Just played Exterminatus for the first time last night. It's like Last Stand mode from DoW II, but in 3rd person shooter style.

This man speaks the truth.....

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[Shadow]

:33: My wife and I are gamers too.

We started a clan about 2 years ago and it has done very well
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[YoshiBishi]

I'm a part of BanZore (http://www.banzore.com) and I'm also their web admin.