Got my car redyno'd with the HL wheel to compare to the L wheel...

[Sin'sVr4]

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Well, dropped her off at TOBZ performance in Denver yesterday. I will be picking her up Sunday So, I told him what I wanted and also that I wanted him to do a dyno run wiht the same psi and everything to compare the L wheel with the HL wheel. He told me that He will get me to 600 whp since last time i was getting spark blow out at 21psi. He is excited and so am I. Hopefully I get close to my goals and then im done.

I will let everyone know how it goes down.

[Sin'sVr4]

ok, so far today he did a baseline same settings and psi as the L wheels and made 515whp 560 trq. He then turned up the boost to 23psi and made 540whp 600trq. but was getting blowout. so going to regap the plugs(gapped at .029) and see what she can do. IDC's were at 70% so still have some room. Probably will get going on it tommorrow and see what she ends up at. im hoping 575whp and that would be great.

But almost 20 whp better just from the L-HL wheel. pretty cool. I will post up the dyno sheets when I get them. BTW it is a mustang dyno if you guys were wondering.

Mike

[Monster Stealth]

In for results

[2fnloud]

In for results

What he said...Also doesn't the elevation effect the performance output?

[Sin'sVr4]

******UPDATE*******

Found some major boost leaks and fixed them and ended up hitting my goals!

551whp 641trq @ 26psi. Torque monster baby!! I have a pic of the graph but its fuzzy from the phone. Once i get the hard copies i will scan them and post them up.

God i love these things

[CoopKill]

<---- Jealous! Nice numbers!

[green-lantern]

Nice numbers man and thanks for the comparison. Makes me feel better about going for the HL wheels with my 19T's.

[J. Fast]

Didi you drop the base fuel pressure back down to 43 or still at 55?

[J. Fast]

Your on stock manifolds and gaskets with no porting still? How come you didn't port, gasket match, and polish the turbo setup or anything else? The stock manifold is bottlenecked way down at the turbo connection.

Anyway, great numbers for a stock top end, stock manifolds, and bolt on turbo's Mike! There's more in there sir, just go to town with some graduated cylinders, a caliper set, and a dremel. You would benefit from some flange and gasket matching.

[KeithMac]

Good going!, so you`re still on 780`s with E85 and twin pumps?, what fuel pressure and AFR`s were you running?.

I want to run 40% methanol but thought the fuel system wasn`t up to the job but you`ve proved me wrong!.

[Sin'sVr4]

I am still using the 780's and only in the 70's IDC's. Car is Ri-DQ-lous. Its mean and crazy now. Ill post vids of the dyno run and graphs tomm also.

FPis still at 57psi. And yes its E85 with twin wallys. AFRS not sure until I see the graphs. Forgot to ask him. Tobz is an amazing tuner. Very impressed. Kept at it until the car was perfect

[Sin'sVr4]

here is the graph of the L-HL on the 19T comparison. My HL wheel is dotted, L is solid. pretty much same boost. about 15whp and 25trq better with the HL.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/mikepeterson/photobucket-24009-1314719009203.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/mikepeterson/photobucket-24422-1314720013477.jpg

[92pearltt]

Pretty cool to see a comparison like that nicely done.

[AdamVR4]

What's the area under each curve from ~4000 RPM's up?

Either way it's pretty obvious that in a drag racing scenario, you upgraded nicely.

[IPD]

nice results. is regapping plugs better than switching to colder ones?

p.s.

last time i saw torque that much higher than HP, it was when matt had his 750's on a 3.5L. i wonder if you're running into something similar here.

[Sin'sVr4]

mine is a 3.1 if that helps.

[enollava]

This thread makes me wish I could finally get my 19T car tuned. I have the HL wheels, and a ton of supporting upgrades somewhat similar to you with a few exceptions. I am 100% jealous.

[MR2]

huuuge respect for going out of your way to do this for us :)

[Sin'sVr4]

Thx, now you can paypal me the $700 it took to get her retuned :)

[MR2]

Just a gental reminder that you are asking for money from the 3000gt community :p

[Sin'sVr4]

haha, i do recall april saying this is the lowball community! lol I just posted a vid of my dyno run.

[TurboSinceBirth]

nice results. is regapping plugs better than switching to colder ones?

p.s.

last time i saw torque that much higher than HP, it was when matt had his 750's on a 3.5L. i wonder if you're running into something similar here.

I doubt it. He's just running ethanol and his tuner is advancing the timing taking advantage of all the torque that can me made with ethanol. It's pretty common results for that type of fuel. Look at Steve's DR-700 dyno run and many others that ran ethanol with piggybacks and no timing control you'll see the torque didn't increase very much over race gas because they weren't able to advance the timing.

[familyMAN]

Interesting to compare 19t HLs to Evo3s, both on ethanol (Evo3 was E95) and AEM EMS.

Evo3 #s from IPO's "EVOIII runs - stock heads/cams - My Corn Eater" thread on the other site...

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ
19t HL 3500rpm 390AWTQ (estimate. tough to tell from Sin's posted graph)

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ
19T HL 4000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ
19t HL 4500rpm 550AWTQ (estimate)

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ
19t HL 5000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)

Not really trying to say anything. Just thought it was fun to compare. Those 19t HLs are doing pretty well!

[GTOJOE]

Interesting to compare 19t HLs to Evo3s, both on ethanol (Evo3 was E95) and AEM EMS.

Evo3 #s from IPO's "EVOIII runs - stock heads/cams - My Corn Eater" thread on the other site...

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ
19t HL 3500rpm 390AWTQ (estimate. tough to tell from Sin's posted graph)

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ
19T HL 4000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ
19t HL 4500rpm 550AWTQ (estimate)

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ
19t HL 5000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)

Not really trying to say anything. Just thought it was fun to compare. Those 19t HLs are doing pretty well!

Need to add pump gas numbers to this comparison.

[Sin'sVr4]

my power on my little TD04's in in the 3000-4000 range :) By the time those 16g's are at full power ill be gone :)

[familyMAN]

my power on my little TD04's in in the 3000-4000 range :) By the time those 16g's are at full power ill be gone :)

When's the next track visit so we can find out what she's really putting down!?!

Car looks great and hope these turbos hold up for you!

[TT Eric]

Interesting to compare 19t HLs to Evo3s, both on ethanol (Evo3 was E95) and AEM EMS.

Evo3 #s from IPO's "EVOIII runs - stock heads/cams - My Corn Eater" thread on the other site...

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ
19t HL 3500rpm 390AWTQ (estimate. tough to tell from Sin's posted graph)
DR750 3500rpm 540AWTQ

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ
19T HL 4000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)
DR750 4000RPM 610AWTQ

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ
19t HL 4500rpm 550AWTQ (estimate)
DR750 4500rpm 635AWTQ

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ
19t HL 5000rpm 495AWTQ (estimate)
DR750 5000rpm 595AWTQ

Not really trying to say anything. Just thought it was fun to compare. Those 19t HLs are doing pretty well!

Cool, thanks! Added the DR750 result's to the comparison (not E85 though).

Eric

[GTOJOE]

Cool, thanks! Added the DR750 result's to the comparison (not E85 though).

Eric

Meth?

[TT Eric]

Pump + water/meth injection.

Eric

[NOMIEZVR4]

wow..those 750's really lay the smackdown..sheesh..

[familyMAN]

Cool, thanks! Added the DR750 result's to the comparison (not E85 though).

Eric

When are YOU going to take your car to the track??? :)

[Sin'sVr4]

well they should for the price and engineering as compared to the 19Ts. i dont think the 19t's are too shabby for the price tho.

Actually the last track day is tomm and my car isnt going to be ready. (new clutch came in and going to wait till that is installed and broken in with a new output shaft

[TT Eric]

Need to add pump gas numbers to this comparison.

Here you go, I added Oohnoo's Hybrid WRX 19t's HL's results on pump gas & race gas:

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ E85
19t HL 3500rpm 390AWTQ E85
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ pump
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ race
DR750 3500rpm 540AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ E85
19T HL 4000rpm 495AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4000rpm 485AWTQ race
DR750 4000rpm 610AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ E85
19t HL 4500rpm 550AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4500rpm 435AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4500rpm 530AWTQ race
DR750 4500rpm 635AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ E85
19t HL 5000rpm 495AWTQ E85
WRX19t 5000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 5000rpm 540AWTQ race
DR750 5000rpm 595AWTQ pump +meth

[SnakeSkinner]

really good TQ comparison

I dont understand the (estimate) part, seems prity easy to see to me on Sin's and oohnoo's dyno charts whats happening when.

[TT Eric]

True. Edited/fixed!

If I'm wrong by 2-3WHP, it won't make a big difference anyway.

Eric

[GTOJOE]

Is anyone running DR750's on pump? I know pearlyellow on 3si is working on it.

[JasonY]

TD04's on pure pump is for people that like to be slow.

Jason

[GTOJOE]

Not helpful :p I don't really have access to E85 and couldn't be bothered with meth. But I think the only wat to achieve 600AWHP on pump is with TD05's I don;t really want TD05's though so I might just have to be happy with 500AWHP or similar with DR700/DR750 and 98RON pump :sad:

I'll trancfer these torque numbers to another thread so we stock hijacking Sin's thread.

[IPD]

TD04's on pure pump is for people that like to be slow.

Jason

says the guy who never had 750's... :p

[JasonY]

So the DR750 97 that I built, in the garage at the house i live in isnt good enough?

Todd's car is currently running 25psi on pump/meth and can run near 30psi on 93/meth now that its cooled off, but the car is out of pump over 27psi even with 1000ml of meth and 660 injectors.

With a TD04 car i think its hysterical to not run meth. We could get 15psi out of the car w/o it to be 100 clean, zero knock. 27psi with it with, again with ZERO knock.

So if you are happy with low 400's when you can have low 600's, well, have fun with that:rolleyes:

The car went from quick, but you would actually have to run it HARD to beat a Vette(straight pump), to having to ask if the Z06 actually stayed in it its so fucking fast right now. I just dont see a reason not to run it. Cools the intake charge, allows +200hp assuming turbos can support it and its a helluva lot cheaper than race fuel.

Jason

[IPD]

not your car though, jason. :p

i'm not a fan of meth--that's all. if bigger HP is what you're after, increase the size of the displacement, or the size of the turbos.

[JasonY]

Im doing all 3, bigger engine, big ass turbo and a lot of meth:)

Everything is a trade off, the 750's get you stock like power delivery but can make 600awhp and bolt on and fit w/o bullshit or drama. You can build a car like Todds 97 over the course of two weekends and everything fits exactly as it should.

There is a lot to be said about a bolt on turbo that fits under the stock heat shields, allows fitment of everything as it should and can lay the smack down on a C6 Z06 from a freeway roll.

The only trade off, is if you want real power, you need to run a 500 dollar meth system and monitor knock in real time all the time.

Jason

[IPD]

i don't like monitoring knock. :p

[JasonY]

Well, heres what happens when you dont.
First you do this:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/2011-07-29_19-32-55_8.jpg
Then you find this
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/2011-07-30_17-25-50_909-1.jpg
Then a ton of money later, you're back to this:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/Enginebay1.jpg

That happened at 22-23psi with the same everything that capable of running upper 20's. If you are making any real power, you need to keep tabs on shit all the time. Just because something worked right for 6 pulls its not time to pack up the gear and call it good. We did that and it cost over 6k to fix.

Jason

[IPD]

i'm joking. ;)

i like being on the safe side, so pure pump. tune till you get 1 count of knock, and then back it off a psi or 2. that's where i'll run and i won't have to freak out about parts failures excessively.

[JasonY]

Then you'll need a lot of engine and a lot of turbo to make respectable power.

Not that thats a bad thing to have;)

Jason

[TurboSinceBirth]

Lol. Mike's just going to create a new thread when he retunes his car, adds any part or adjusts one, turns up his boost another psi, etc. :P So I don't feel bad for hijacking the thread.

You guys should get one of Black Stealth's LCD boost controllers to monitor knock. I don't have it installed but I'm looking forward to it and hopefully it'll allow me to ditch the Blitz SBC-iD although it'll be hard to compete with its nice features.

I don't see why anyone shouldn't run meth on a TD04 setup either. Just get a bigger tank if you're worried about running out and don't want to check it as often. Setup a failsafe. I may or may not run meth depending on how much of the time I decide to run E-85. Long trips where I have to run 91 would be nice to have additional meth on top of pump when ethanol isn't available although if I keep my foot out of it i won't need it. :D

I'm getting rid of my 93, buying a Stealth, hopefully getting some DR-750s if I don't miss out on the current price before they go up, and I'll run them for all they're worth. At that point if I decide I want more power I'll swap my stroker and 5857 turbos in. I want to try out the broad torque band of the DR-750s and right now I just don't have time for a big project. Soon I want to jump into a flashed ECU.

[Sin'sVr4]

wow, no shit hijacked! lol OK, so really, this was a comparison thread not a thread abou thow awesome the 750's are. "we know they are good" but this isnt the place. I wanted to let people who have been asking about the difference between the two wheels and ten gets made into how awesome the DR 750's are. I dont disagree, just dont talk about them in this thread. Start a "DR-750's" are amazing and i want to fuck the inlet snouts cause they will spool faster" thread. k thx

[JasonY]

I was only commenting on thinking its crazy not to run water/meth on a td04 car and used the 750 car I built as an example why...

Jason

[familyMAN]

E85 ftw

[mb3000]

E85 ftw

SC N. eastern seaboard + E-anything = nonexistent. :(

[J. Fast]

Here you go, I added Oohnoo's Hybrid WRX 19t's HL's results on pump gas & race gas:

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ E85
19t HL 3500rpm 450AWTQ E85
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ pump
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ race
DR750 3500rpm 540AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ E85
19T HL 4000rpm 605AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4000rpm 485AWTQ race
DR750 4000rpm 610AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ E85
19t HL 4500rpm 635AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4500rpm 435AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4500rpm 530AWTQ race
DR750 4500rpm 635AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ E85
19t HL 5000rpm 585AWTQ E85
WRX19t 5000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 5000rpm 540AWTQ race
DR750 5000rpm 595AWTQ pump +meth

Numbers fixed :). Anyway, if you want a good comparison... don't forget to note on the DR turbo setup car the header flange to turbo flange is ported and everything was gasket matched and the wastegates are billet. Second, for the sake of comparison, the bolded numbers are current numbers on 19T-HL with E-85 without doing any port work and the wastegates are also collapsing. The log clearly shows boost plummeting as soon as it breaks 25 psi. They bleed off 6 psi of boost from 4800-7000rpm because the wastegates are unable to hold. We'll see what happens with a set of forge wastegates and some porting. I don't expect these numbers to be the ceiling for long, BUT... These numbers will go up :D. Currently the TQ area under the curve AVG is 467.

BTW, when is someone going to run a DR-750 on E-85? I'd really love to see that.

[TT Eric]

BTW the 'DR' set-up had blowing open wastegates too, this set-up was able to run 7psi to the redline. Where did you got those 'bold' number ?

Eric

[J. Fast]

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/dyno2011-08-23_10-48-13_38.jpg


http://www.dynamicracing.com/mw/images/a/a6/DSC00028.JPG

Here is a much much better comparison.

19T-HL car is on E-85 boosting 25 psi on stock wastegates.
DR-750 car is on 25% C16 / 75% 91 pump w/stage 2 snow meth @ 25psi on Forge wastegates.

Torque Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 450 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 390 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 605 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 550 ft/lb

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 625 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 585 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 525 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 575 ft/lb

Horsepower Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 300 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 250 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 485 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 400 hp

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 520 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 575 hp

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 600 hp

[Sin'sVr4]

Thx J, these seem alot more accurate. And yes my rear wastegate wasnt holding and boost. it was basically blowing air straight thru it.

[J. Fast]

I think what we are going to see is the TIAL can take the heat and the billet compressor will give a little more air up top so the peak numbers will be higher and the boost threshold will be sustainable for longer. The area under the curves are going to be nearly identical or within like 5% of eachother unless you extend rpms out past 7000rpms.

Pick your flavor, when you want torque and power to come in, and when you want to shift.

[TT Eric]

From what car did you take that dynosheet ? Yours ? Why didn't you took my numbers if you want to compare ? Even if I had forged wastegate, they were blowing open.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/Eric21/Album%20Stealth/IMG_2455.jpg

19T E85, DR750 pump +meth.

Torque Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 450 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 490 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 605 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 610 ft/lb

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 625 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 635 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 585 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 590 ft/lb

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 525 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 560 ft/lb

Horsepower Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 300 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 350 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 485 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 470 hp

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 540 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 570 hp

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 595 hp

[J. Fast]

I never compared because I never saw them posted here on this site. Thats another good comparo though. What PSI were you pushing?

[TT Eric]

I was at 25-26psi, only because the wastegate were blowing open, what ever I was trying, the boost was falling down. This is summer I was able to set the wastegates to 7psi, I made a pull and the boost stayed to 7psi to the redline.

Eric

[Sin'sVr4]

Not to shabby comparison considering the price difference. Yes, the 750's will putmore trq and power...they should, they are better comp wheels and lighter and also about 2k more. considering the price and amount of power ill stay with my 19THL's for now. They still do they job and kick ass. oh, Dan again thx MTC

[Sin'sVr4]

jeez, these cars are serious torque monsters. I lOVE IT!

[TurboSinceBirth]

I'm buying a Stealth, getting some DR-750s as soon as I can sell enough parts for them, and I plan on running E-85 since I have a couple stations within a few miles of my house. There's an AWD dyno about 1.5 hrs away too so I will definitely be getting some numbers it just may be a few months or longer.

[familyMAN]

Damn, I will really have to push my 16G setup with E85 to keep up with these "little" tdo4s! Good numbers from each option. Looking forward to see what your car traps now, Sin!

[2fnloud]

Damn, I will really have to push my 16G setup with E85 to keep up with these "little" tdo4s! Good numbers from each option. Looking forward to see what your car traps now, Sin!


I too am looking forward to what his numbers are after installing the billet waste gates, it is looking that T19-HL's might hit the goals that I am looking for.

[Sin'sVr4]

ya the billet WG should definitly make these babies sing even more. the rear one just was literally blowing air straight thru, Dont know what happened to the rear wg. We shall see

[NOMIEZVR4]

Not bad at all...those 19T's are definitely pushing some air! That's a much better comparison..

[TT Eric]

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/dyno2011-08-23_10-48-13_38.jpg


http://www.dynamicracing.com/mw/images/a/a6/DSC00028.JPG

Here is a much much better comparison.

19T-HL car is on E-85 boosting 25 psi on stock wastegates.
DR-750 car is on 25% C16 / 75% 91 pump w/stage 2 snow meth @ 25psi on Forge wastegates.

Torque Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 450 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 390 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 605 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 550 ft/lb

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 625 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 585 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 525 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 575 ft/lb

Horsepower Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 300 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 250 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 485 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 400 hp

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 520 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 575 hp

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 600 hp

Just a clarification, Matt was on stock wastegates blowing open too, he did not had the Forge's on his car at this time.

Eric

[SnakeSkinner]

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/dyno2011-08-23_10-48-13_38.jpg


http://www.dynamicracing.com/mw/images/a/a6/DSC00028.JPG

Here is a much much better comparison.

19T-HL car is on E-85 boosting 25 psi on stock wastegates.
DR-750 car is on 25% C16 / 75% 91 pump w/stage 2 snow meth @ 25psi on Forge wastegates.

Torque Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 450 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 390 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 605 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 550 ft/lb

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 625 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 585 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 600 ft/lb

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 525 ft/lb
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 575 ft/lb

Horsepower Numbers:

19T-HL 17psi @ 3500rpm = 300 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 3500rpm = 250 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 4000rpm = 485 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4000rpm = 400 hp

19T-HL 25psi @ 4500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 4500rpm = 520 hp

19T-HL 24psi @ 5000rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5000rpm = 575 hp

19T-HL 23psi @ 5500rpm = 540 hp
DR-750 25psi @ 5500rpm = 600 hp

Good comparison? a car on gas VS a car on E85. A good comparison is My car on gas (pump/race mix) VS oohnoo's car on gas (pump/race mix) if you want a strait up 19T vs DR750 comparison. Both with even stock WG's. the DR750 car trounced the 19T car everywhere. TQ, HP, at every RPM at the same boost.

I love how you just plug in all the boost #'s for my car at 25psi across the Board there, 25psi at 3500rpm, and at 5500rpm at my altitude and with stock 6psi wg's? are you joking?. My car had REAL stock 6psi waist gates on it Sin's car has WG's with WRX springs that are as far as I know at least 9psi (50% more holding power) My waist gates were blowing open bad when I did that dyno pull up top.

and BTW I know who you are Dremblr (or how ever you spelt it) find any more Dyno's of Twin turbo V8's to post as your 19T 3/s car like you did on 3si? Shocking that you would show your face anywhere in the 3/s world.

[Sin'sVr4]

wow. just wow.

[familyMAN]

shit just go real

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/in%20before%20the%20lock/grand/star_trek_-_in_before_the_lock_gif.gif

[J. Fast]

Good comparison? a car on gas VS a car on E85. A good comparison is My car on gas (pump/race mix) VS oohnoo's car on gas (pump/race mix) if you want a strait up 19T vs DR750 comparison. Both with even stock WG's. the DR750 car trounced the 19T car everywhere. TQ, HP, at every RPM at the same boost.

I love how you just plug in all the boost #'s for my car at 25psi across the Board there, 25psi at 3500rpm, and at 5500rpm at my altitude and with stock 6psi wg's? are you joking?. My car had REAL stock 6psi waist gates on it Sin's car has WG's with WRX springs that are as far as I know at least 9psi (50% more holding power) My waist gates were blowing open bad when I did that dyno pull up top.

Speaking of blowing wastegates... hrmmm, I do recall someone flapping their wastgate and saying bla bla... I'm seeing 23psi on pump gas and at 3500rpm I have 500ft/lbs on these bla bla. You'd think with a higher octane rating and this 3rd gear JDM geared dyno pull one would assume you should be hitting 25psi. Only saying that because I too own a JDM geared car, and I too have seen the very results of 20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27 psi on the dyno on pump gas, on E-85, on C-16 and yaya.


Shocking that you would show your face anywhere in the 3/s world.

:Clap: Classy Matt!

I don't help people for some self serving interest so why would I be ashamed to show my face? I don't see you driving your little happy ass out here and helping any of my chapter members with anything so stick a sock in it! Better yet, do something charitable for someone just for the sake of kindness and don't try to throw a plug in it. There's always been some plug or publicity motivator to bring you to the table so it's noce to see you grace this forum with your presence.

I have learned quite a bit in the past few years Mr. Monet. Say what you want, I'm persistant so sticking my head in a hole (which is quite a cowardly) is definitely not my style.

Anyway, lets not bitch too much about you running an avg octane rating of 102 on that pull and this being 104 oct comparable :).

Put some E-85 in there.

[green-lantern]

shit just go real

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Thankfully this isn't 3si

[Sin'sVr4]

Ya, lets keep it that way. PLug free and on topic. So umm...ya.

Back on topic. Oh, J my new OS phillip said he mailed it today so may thurs fri it'll be here! wooo. Hopefully my nuts arent too swollen so we can do the clutch :)

[J. Fast]

shit just go real

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Not going to happen... vendor or not, you must follow the rules, read the thread title, and stay on topic. Stay on topic please, thankx :)


Good comparison? a car on gas VS a car on E85. A good comparison is My car on gas (pump/race mix) VS oohnoo's car on gas (pump/race mix) if you want a strait up 19T vs DR750 comparison. Both with even stock WG's. the DR750 car trounced the 19T car everywhere. TQ, HP, at every RPM at the same boost.


Well, how about we use the sheet I posted because it has the boost log stamped right on it :rolleyes:. Does oohnoo's sheet make your ego feel better or something? This dyne is a hearbreaker, most importantly it's absolutely repeateable and quite accurate! Sounds to me like your vagina flappin because every dyno chart Mike has posted has come from this dyne starting @ 18-25psi on pump gas migrating all the way to where it stands now on E-85. We've done hundreds of pulls and up till now nothing was ever disputed so exactly what are you eluding to? You don't like my side by side comparison with 102 octane race mix vs 104 octane E-85? Octane number is closeenough for me. If not for you, get out from behind that desk, off your butt dyno, and go do some pulls.

BTW, you also don't have to acknowledge the fact that the fastest TD-04 timeslip recorded on boost only is on a 19T car I believed owned by D. Birmingham. I believe it was 10.6 @ 125 in a car weighing 4100lbs. Last I heard that beast of a car was just south of 700 at the wheel on another dyno you disputed located at FSR. However the pass time was legit and proved the setup. That 19T dyno tuned car also had fake real numbers right... Guess that one got swept under the national rug too!

LOL, these numbers are legit. Wether or not the driver can put the power down in this street beast is another story.


Ya, lets keep it that way. PLug free and on topic. So umm...ya.

Back on topic. Oh, J my new OS phillip said he mailed it today so may thurs fri it'll be here! wooo. Hopefully my nuts arent too swollen so we can do the clutch :)

Speaking of Mike, don't think you're going to get a free day to supervise just cause your gettin your eggs clipped! You're helpin me do all this crap fool!

...changing the clutch, rebuilding the trans, swapping the O/S, porting the turbo flanges, putting on the new wastegates, and doing some more tuning, you better bring beer and band-aids old man!

Keep your fingers crossed on the custom clutch bro, I don't know if it will hold because it's not an RPS and it doesn't have a patent, but we'll give it a try since it has an SFI stamp of approval :p.

Can't wait to post up some more numbers as we develop this setup further :biggrin:.

Cheers Guys!

[SnakeSkinner]

Speaking of blowing wastegates... hrmmm, I do recall someone flapping their wastgate and saying bla bla... I'm seeing 23psi on pump gas and at 3500rpm I have 500ft/lbs on these bla bla. You'd think with a higher octane rating and this 3rd gear JDM geared dyno pull one would assume you should be hitting 25psi. Only saying that because I too own a JDM geared car, and I too have seen the very results of 20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27 psi on the dyno on pump gas, on E-85, on C-16 and yaya.


aaaaa what? anybody understand this guy?




:Clap: Classy Matt!

I don't help people for some self serving interest so why would I be ashamed to show my face? I don't see you driving your little happy ass out here and helping any of my chapter members with anything so stick a sock in it! Better yet, do something charitable for someone just for the sake of kindness and don't try to throw a plug in it. There's always been some plug or publicity motivator to bring you to the table so it's noce to see you grace this forum with your presence.

Your a PROVEN pathological liar, who would want help from you? Who is going to really "help" the people after you "help" them and there stuff is all jacked up? Only thing you have ever done in the 3/s world is Lie, and mislead people down the wrong track. Want us to pull up all those BS threads of yours off 3si, that were page after page of Lies, and Bull crap? You STILL have yet to build a car that has done anything. On 3si when you were called out on that FACT when you were telling everybody what to do and that the experts like me, Ray, Chris ect were wrong your answer was to post a Dyno chart of a twin turbo 928 Porsche and say it was YOUR 3/s car with 19T's and say "look what I did, I know what I'm talking about" lol. And people believed you and you kept misleading them, till somebody found the chart you posted on a Porsche form and the guy it belonged to. Then finally your line of bull crap was stopped. Few people have caused more damage to the 3s world then you have.



Anyway, lets not bitch too much about you running an avg octane rating of 102 on that pull and this being 104 oct comparable :).

Put some E-85 in there.

Octane has very little to do with why E-85 makes more power, In most cases it makes way more power on FI cars then even 117 octain GAS does, it has to do with all the oxygen in the fuel it's self. It's like the difference between a car that runs on gas, and alcohol, and a car that runs on alcohol and a car that runs on nitro-methane. Gas dragsters are slower then Top alcohol dragsters, and Nitro dragsters are faster then them all. Why? because the FUEL has lore oxygen IN IT. Anybody with a brain would not compare a Gas dragster to a Nitro one, it's a stupid comparison.

There is not a E85 gas station within 70 miles of me.


O ya and by the way my stock motor/piggy back DR750 car on GAS STILL made over 50 more HP then Sin's built motor/ stand alone 19T car on E85 that is the car your are currently swinging from the nuts of.

[UTRacerX9]

Guys, can we cool it with the personal attacks? Seriously, it's just making you both look stupid.

[SnakeSkinner]

Well, how about we use the sheet I posted because it has the boost log stamped right on it :rolleyes:. Does oohnoo's sheet make your ego feel better or something?

No because oohnoo's car is the highest Dynoing Stock motor 19T car EVER after like what 8+ years of 19T's being put on 3/s cars.



This dyne is a hearbreaker, most importantly it's absolutely repeateable and quite accurate!

And if not you will just pull one off the internet and call it yours.



We've done hundreds of pulls and up till now nothing was ever disputed so exactly what are you eluding to?

you have? and still found the need to pull somebody elses Dyno chart off the Net from a Twin turbo V8 and call it yours?




I have learned quite a bit in the past few years Mr. Monet.

Apparently not how to build a fast 3/s car, because for all your talk you SILL have not. All these yrs, we are still waiting for you, the self proclaimed smartest person in the 3/s world and guru of everything to build anything worthy of note...... still nothing.....



You don't like my side by side comparison with 102 octane race mix vs 104 octane E-85? Octane number is closeenough for me.

Once again proving you have no idea what you are talking about, it's the difference in the FUEL not the octane.



If not for you, get out from behind that desk, off your butt dyno, and go do some pulls.

me? lol I have real dyno charts, and the world record fastest 3/s car. YOUR the one that "makes" dyno charts for your cars with out ever leaving your desk.




BTW, you also don't have to acknowledge the fact that the fastest TD-04 timeslip recorded on boost only is on a 19T car I believed owned by D. Birmingham. I believe it was 10.6 @ 125 in a car weighing 4100lbs.


LOL that car just keeps getting heavier, Lets see, 19T's with sutch a huge clip on the turbine wheels that the people that build the car said and I quote "they have worse lag then TD-05's", built motor, Cams, AEM, No Exhaust, and a Intercooler being frozen with C02. And the set up was so grate that after those runs the car was totally tore down to change to something els. Ya thats the kind of TD-04 car people want.... If your going to do a built motor, cams, stand alone and run a car with out Exhaust WHY-O-WHY would you stick with TD-04's? People with TD-04's want simple bolt on a stock motor and go with no lag. And the only TD-04 turbos that will get you over 600 whp with that are My Billets and thats a fact because they are the only ones that have done it. That's the facts JLie...

[J. Fast]

aaaaa what? anybody understand this guy?
Here, I'll help you out... You said you were generating 500ft/lbs of torque & 23psi @ 3500rpm on your snails? You don't remember? I do, I perused your Dyno of DR-750 thread to refresh my memory.


Your a PROVEN pathological liar, who would want help from you? Who is going to really "help" the people after you "help" them and there stuff is all jacked up? Only thing you have ever done in the 3/s world is Lie, and mislead people down the wrong track. Want us to pull up all those BS threads of yours off 3si, that were page after page of Lies, and Bull crap?


^^^All this babble babble is just opinion and super old news^^^

Pathological, LOL, I think not. I'm just some dipshit from the burbs that has righted every wrong that I’ve ever made. You, you could be a mensur, but unfortunately you’re still the same guy doing the same shit, talking down to others as usual, and broadcasting opinions. You haven't changed a bit... making your typical classless stabs, sticking your little prick in the same hole, and flapping that silver tongue just the same way you did three years ago. As for me, a lot has changed since then old man.

For clarification, you didn't know me personally then and don't know me personally now and don't even try to claim to! While you may get a chuckle I would urge you to watch your posts and key-strokes and stay on topic. I'm not some broke ass kid, so you might want to go back to your other forum and troll for some other fish that don't understand public defamation of character and can't throw money at problems. However, you're certainly entitled to prove yourself further as a snob and air your own arrogant bullshit opinions.

To the point, if you want to quit taking stabs and want to talk cars, talk cars. If you're filling up this thread just to talk shit... go somewhere else and be an asshole there. Something amazingly sweet on this site, the population of teenagers and people that will listen to trash talking babble and bullshit is on the decline. How you choose to speak and treat respected members of this board is on you. What sort of image and publicity you’ll get out of behaving as such, that's on you too.



Octane has very little to do with why E-85 makes more power, In most cases it makes way more power on FI cars then even 117 octain GAS does, it has to do with all the oxygen in the fuel it's self. It's like the difference between a car that runs on gas, and alcohol, and a car that runs on alcohol and a car that runs on nitro-methane. Gas dragsters are slower then Top alcohol dragsters, and Nitro dragsters are faster then them all. Why? because the FUEL has lore oxygen IN IT. Anybody with a brain would not compare a Gas dragster to a Nitro one, it's a stupid comparison.

You don’t have to explain the fundamentals of EFI to anyone here either Matt.



O ya and by the way my stock motor/piggy back DR750 car on GAS STILL made over 50 more HP then Sin's built motor/ stand alone 19T car that is the car your are currently swinging from the nuts of.

Everyone, pay attention, god has entered the thread... And just gave us his plug, AGAIN!

In case you didn't get it, no one gives a shit that your snails made more power. As a matter of fact it was acknowledged. Again, because there some low watt light bulbs in the room… the DR-750 will develop and hold more peak power at extended RPM.

Lastly, I don't swing on my friends nuts. Something you will never conceptually understand, the word friend. You confuse the word customer with friend, those are way different. You don't give a ratz ass about Mike nor his ride and he ain't your friend. How much bigger of an ass could you be for talking shit like that too?

Furthermore, I don't need to boast my own shit on the internet or come off as a braggart or arrogant prick by posting some slip or chart to boost my own ego. That's just not who I am anymore :).

LOL, you’re living 3 years in the past Skinner, everyone’s attitude is different and yours is still the same. Get over it, or move out. Interestingly enough, I'm surprised this forum and it's members are worth your "all high and mighty time".

Your turbo's are better Matt! ...is that what you needed to hear?

[J. Fast]

:GTFO:
no because oohnoo's car is the highest dynoing stock motor 19t car ever after like what 8+ years of 19t's being put on 3/s cars.



And if not you will just pull one off the internet and call it yours.




You have? And still found the need to pull somebody elses dyno chart off the net from a twin turbo v8 and call it yours?



Apparently not how to build a fast 3/s car, because for all your talk you sill have not. All these yrs, we are still waiting for you, the self proclaimed smartest person in the 3/s world and guru of everything to build anything worthy of note...... Still nothing.....



Once again proving you have no idea what you are talking about, it's the difference in the fuel not the octane.




Me? Lol i have real dyno charts, and the world record fastest 3/s car. Your the one that "makes" dyno charts for your cars with out ever leaving your desk.





Lol that car just keeps getting heavier, lets see, 19t's with sutch a huge clip on the turbine wheels that the people that build the car said and i quote "they have worse lag then td-05's", built motor, cams, aem, no exhaust, and a intercooler being frozen with c02. And the set up was so grate that after those runs the car was totally tore down to change to something els. Ya thats the kind of td-04 car people want.... If your going to do a built motor, cams, stand alone and run a car with out exhaust why-o-why would you stick with td-04's? People with td-04's want simple bolt on a stock motor and go with no lag. And the only td-04 turbos that will get you over 600 whp with that are my billets and thats a fact because they are the only ones that have done it. That's the facts jlie...

^^^This guy is funny^^^

[CoreyB]

J.Fast, what exactly is your problem with Matt? He never did anything wrong and just came in to clarify some of the information in this thread. I would advice you to maybe try to learn something from Matt instead of trying to pick a fight with him. I remember the old threads from the old site quite clearly, you are lucky to be allowed on this forum. I have had no issues with you here but the disrespectful bullshit needs to stop.

[familyMAN]

Not going to happen... vendor or not, you must follow the rules, read the thread title, and stay on topic. Stay on topic please, thankx :)

Then heed your own advice. I believe this thread is about HL vs L wheel (read the thread title) on Sin's car. Not you vs DR vs the rest of the td04 world. Hopefully you can get back to your usual informative posts.

Trying to bring this back OT...
Sin - when are the billet wastegates going on? Would love to see some AEM logs to see what/if any difference you'll see holding boost.

[J. Fast]

I dont have any beef with that guy and normally I wouldn't give a rip. What I don't like is smearing, that's pretty low. Aside from that I'm good to go. CoreyB, FM, and Mike, I appreciate you guys reality checkin me and bringing me back to my level. Every once in a while you need somebody to give you a smack so thanks :). Back to cars.

familyMAN, to answer your question, thy wastegates are going on this weekend when we drop the driveline. If and when we finish gasket matching and porting the housings those bad boys are going on and its back to the rollers.

[Sin'sVr4]

ya, hopefully my nuts are ok. last time i tried to do stuff to quickly and ripped my stitches. ugh...

So, we will see. Probably wont take it back to the dyno for awhile. Have to slow my roll on spending

[Sin'sVr4]

And my numbers i just plotted on teh graph and they are pretty close to these numbers. Honestly, I dont care who's numbers are what, except that this car is a kick ass fun riot to drive and smokes about everything around. The DR's are great, but i dont think its fair to compare them to the 19T's on teh type of wheel, clip and $$ not to mention. The 19t's are a great bang for your buck sick AWHP/TRQ monster with out breaking the bank. Honestly, if you want to run low 11's high 10's....the 19T's are more than enough. Now if you want to run low 10's high 9's...then definitly get the DR750's. Its all a matter of taste and wants. I wanted a 550 whp car and I got it. My turbos cost half of a dr750 set, but if I could own the DR750's i would in a heart beat. This bickering shit needs to stop. We all just need to relax, drink some beers and enjoy our passions for this platform and help each other not smear each other. . But all in all, great comparison in every range!

EVOIII 3500rpm 350AWTQ E85
19t HL 3500rpm 450AWTQ E85
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ pump
WRX19t 3500rpm 400AWTQ race
DR750 3500rpm 540AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4000rpm 475AWTQ E85
19T HL 4000rpm 605AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4000rpm 485AWTQ race
DR750 4000rpm 610AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 4500rpm 615AWTQ E85
19t HL 4500rpm 635AWTQ E85
WRX19t 4500rpm 435AWTQ pump
WRX19t 4500rpm 530AWTQ race
DR750 4500rpm 635AWTQ pump +meth

EVOIII 5000rpm 695AWTQ E85
19t HL 5000rpm 585AWTQ E85
WRX19t 5000rpm 425AWTQ pump
WRX19t 5000rpm 540AWTQ race
DR750 5000rpm 595AWTQ pump +meth

[familyMAN]

And my numbers i just plotted on teh graph and they are pretty close to these numbers. Honestly, I dont care who's numbers are what, except that this car is a kick ass fun riot to drive and smokes about everything around. The DR's are great, but i dont think its fair to compare them to the 19T's on teh type of wheel, clip and $$ not to mention. The 19t's are a great bang for your buck sick AWHP/TRQ monster with out breaking the bank. Honestly, if you want to run low 11's high 10's....the 19T's are more than enough. Now if you want to run low 10's high 9's...then definitly get the DR750's. Its all a matter of taste and wants. I wanted a 550 whp car and I got it. My turbos cost half of a dr750 set, but if I could own the DR750's i would in a heart beat. This bickering shit needs to stop. We all just need to relax, drink some beers and enjoy our passions for this platform and help each other not smear each other. . But all in all, great comparison in every range!


DR750's won't run high 9's. Well...maybe on the lightweight STM car.

The 19t HL's do look like a great, reasonable option as long as they are built right the first time.

Congrats! Now enjoy the car and don't break anything else!