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JohnnyTurbo
07-30-2011, 03:08 PM
Posting on here for those who don't "go over there". ;)

What I am dealing with:
My temps are always at 90°C MINIMUM during the day if cruising at speed down the highway. Go into city traffic and it will start running at 100°C to 105°C and if I get caught at a long light it will go to 110 to 115°C. If I stay in the city, it will go down around 100°C if I keep moving and then back down to 90°C when back on the freeway. At night when the temps are cooler, it is not as bad and will actually run around 85°C on the freeway. With the hot ambient temps of the last few weeks, I have been caught in traffic where I was at 115°C for extended periods of time until I could get out to the open road.

What I have:
99 front bumper, 3.1L, ported heads, yada, yada. TD04 15Gs, no heat wrapping anywhere. GTPro FMIC w/polished hard piping, 3SX dual pass radiator w/dual flex-a-lite pullers, A/C condenser w/dual Flex-a-lite pushers. AEM EMS controls the engine. Radiator to fans is totally sealed and foam seal is between the radiator and the core support. A/C condenser is sealed at edges also so incoming air cannot blow out the sides, it must go through the condenser and through the radiator to the puller fans. I have a big FMIC and it's footprint totally covers the radiator opening, but there is a gap between it and the A/C condenser. I also sealed off the opening around the hood latch with heavy, flexible plastic to prevent air from blowing out that opening before going through the Radiator.

I have a few Q's about things I've read in my search results.

Burping the system to get rid of a big air bubble.- I've heard of this before, but never had to actually do it. What I've done is pour in the antifreeze solution until it hits the neck, pinch the upper hose a few times, refill and repeat until the fluid will not suck down anymore. It this correct?

Engine was new around '05 and there is not a ton of miles on the water pump and the coolant looks good. I pulled the T-stat which was marked at 68°C (155°F) and put in a Stant 180°F, which Advanced Auto had listed as an optional choice. Temps would still climb up, but it seems to cool down faster than before at speed. If I leaned on the throttle and did some high speed bursts, the temp would climb instantly to around 105°C and go back down to 90°C when I resumed cruising. Last night's drive was from 10 to 11 pm and it was around 70°F with med-high humidity.

The cooling system was as is when I bought the car so I can only assume that the dual pushers were needed on the A/C condenser. A fact I came to by turning on the A/C during a highway trip running 90°C and watched the temp climb as soon as the A/C started working and shut of the Air when the temp hit 110°C. It then went back down to 90°C with the A/C off.

Given the shrouding on the A/C pushers, could that be enough of a blockage to cause the rad temps to run so high given what the system is and what all I have done to promote airflow going through, not blowing out and around the cores?

DuTTch
07-30-2011, 09:40 PM
have you ran a ton of boost on the car? any crazy boost spikes?

CoopKill
07-30-2011, 10:07 PM
This may sound stupid, but I have seen mistakes happen before. This being one of them. Check to see which way your fans are supposed to turn. Then check which way they actually turn. A friend just had this issue two weeks ago on a cruse, fans wired in reverse.

Alex3000gt
07-31-2011, 12:48 AM
This may sound stupid, but I have seen mistakes happen before. This being one of them. Check to see which way your fans are supposed to turn. Then check which way they actually turn. A friend just had this issue two weeks ago on a cruse, fans wired in reverse.

Or use a piece of paper and see if the fan blows it away or sucks it in. Had a friend whose Stealth did the same thing, turned out fans were wired backwards.

UTRacerX9
07-31-2011, 01:33 AM
Or... ditch the aftermarket radiator and go back to stock. I've yet to be convinced that any aftermarket one actually performs better than the stock one does, based on numerous accounts of overheating with aftermarket radiators.

Blackmount
07-31-2011, 01:35 AM
burp system, or do a flush then burp the system, are you running a high water mix? this can cause an issue, the less water, the higher the boiling point. check your fans, look for small leaks, some of them are so small you wont see a drip.

I had a similar issue and did not find the leak in my radiator until i pulled it and noticed a spot in them middle of the radiator was wet with coolant. i know aftermarket radiators for our cars have a clearence issue with the a\c condensor lines that can puncture the radiator. is this a TRUE dual passage or is it actually a single like mine?

JohnnyTurbo
07-31-2011, 05:32 PM
burp system, or do a flush then burp the system, are you running a high water mix? this can cause an issue, the less water, the higher the boiling point. check your fans, look for small leaks, some of them are so small you wont see a drip.

I had a similar issue and did not find the leak in my radiator until i pulled it and noticed a spot in them middle of the radiator was wet with coolant. i know aftermarket radiators for our cars have a clearence issue with the a\c condensor lines that can puncture the radiator. is this a TRUE dual passage or is it actually a single like mine?whether it is a true dual pass or not depends on how honest 3SX is in their marketing, it was sold as a dual pass. Fans are going the correct way, everything was checked out when I had the front bumper off doing the ducting. The pullers pull so hard they make the condenser pushers look like they are powered on. I finally got a laptop to use to access the AEM EMS,that is IF the USB to SERIAL port adapter I got works. I'll go in and see where the fan on and off limits are set at.

green-lantern
07-31-2011, 11:19 PM
Or... ditch the aftermarket radiator and go back to stock. I've yet to be convinced that any aftermarket one actually performs better than the stock one does, based on numerous accounts of overheating with aftermarket radiators.

Agreed

Edit: No disagree lol, I thought you were talking fans. ha ha

JohnnyTurbo
08-01-2011, 12:39 AM
Update on a couple of fronts. A topic on the AEM form is newer laptops that are lacking serial ports and the series 1 EMS. I have such a laptop even though it is from around 2005 and went out to best buy and bought a Belkin USB to Serial port adapter for $35. It works like a charm, so just a heads up for those with the older series 1 AEM EMS.

Now that I have a way to access my EMS, I can see where everything is set at, understanding what I am looking at is another story.:( I did manage to find out how to get my fans to turn on a whole lot earlier (150 as opposed to 180°F), but it did not make much of a difference. Two things happened after I returned home this evening from a check out run. I put the car away in the garage and it was real hot, so I hooked up the laptop and turned on the A/C (car not running) to get those fans running to cool down the radiator and engine bay (hood open). I heard the fans kick in, but when I went to check them out, the A/C fans were still and the RAD fans were running. I double checked a few times and that is what is happening. I need to know where to go in the EMS to set the A/C fans and what to change. THe second thing I noticed is I have only one working RAD fan!!! I installed this dual set the day before leaving for Indy and everything was OK. Right now it looks like the driverside fan has had the blade fall off of the motor shaft!!! THe original Flex-a-lites were toast due to turbo heat bake, so I put this running set off of my Stealth project car in their place and they worked just fine. Sometime between Indy and today the blade came off. So half a radiator being cooled off is part of my problem and I think it is exacerbated by running on the lean side. My AF gauge is right at 14.4 to 14.8 while cruising along. If I step on it a little, the AF will drop down around 12 to 13 something. If I lighten up the pedal, the AF will hang in the 16 to 17 range. I imagine this is great for fuel economy, but I think the lean condition is generating heat that I don't need. More fuel cools, lean makes heat is what we used to say while campaigning the match race alky funny car and it should be no different with gasoline. TO save me a ton of reading, anyone know a quick lesson in bumping up the fuel in my tune while cruising?

BTW, I've read the negative feelings about the flex-a-lite fans and I'm jumping on the bandwagon and I'll be getting a pair of the Derale fans to replace the POS flex-a-lites.

a2j
08-01-2011, 01:43 AM
would it still overheat without the thermostat?

mb3000
08-01-2011, 02:02 AM
would it still overheat without the thermostat?

The overheating would get worse without a thermostat.

a2j
08-01-2011, 02:09 AM
when mine was overheating, I took that thermostat out and temps didn't even get to half of the stock gauge. stayed at 1/4 of the gauge. I just don't have the exact temps.

mb3000
08-01-2011, 02:20 AM
http://www.stealth316.com/images/stim/tim_07-02.gif

Blackmount
08-01-2011, 02:21 PM
I am running thermostat-less, and my car does not over heat. it gets up to temp. If it were winter it would probably take longer tho.

mb3000
08-01-2011, 02:27 PM
Is anyone else having a problem seeing the picture I posted?

It was working fine last night, but now isn't.

a2j
08-01-2011, 04:36 PM
yep, I don't see that pic, but there is a way....

mb3000
08-01-2011, 04:42 PM
http://www.stealth316.com/images/stim/tim_07-02.gif
http://www.stealth316.com/images/stim/tim_07-03.gif

Blackmount
08-01-2011, 06:03 PM
I clicked open image in new tab, worked just fine