3si is really pissing me off!

[dpartinvr4]

First I made this thread "which breaks no rules" hows an Indy meet june 21st sound? - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f1/hows-indy-meet-june-21st-sound-514133/) so they closed it without due cause. so then I made this thread, "which also breaks no rules" http://www.3si.org/forum/f32/indy-meet-july-21-a-514268/ and they shortly there after deleted it. I've Pm'd a "supermod" and they haven't contacted me back yet......just thought you guys should know the crap their pulling, not that most of you already don't know.

[eljefefx]

I'm sure whoever you contact will respond when time allows. Remember, I don't get paid to be a mod, I get paid to fix airplanes so if someone sends me a message I personally will only respond when it is convenient to me.

But this is just me.

[green-lantern]

God forbid 3 s i support your little meet. :suspect:

[mb7050]

whoa 3si does it again

[dbest671]

If you haven't noticed, it's like 3si suffers from PMS, it happens about once a month.

[ChargerX3]

Check your personal email.

[Intropy]

3Swho?

[Granny]

3Swho?

:Bow:

BTW..You ready to party at NG!

[IPD]

If you haven't noticed, it's like 3si suffers from PMS, it happens about once a month.

yes, i noticed, april. i also know SPECIFICALLY who it is. and as much of a raging, insensitive, egomanical, ingratiating, polarizing fuckwad as i am; i'm practically a choir boy next to him.

[dpartinvr4]

so I got suspended for trying get my post reopened, and starting a new one when that didn't happen :)....hell will be payed.

[Alan92RTTT]

You are wasting your time. Its a fight you can not win.

[IPD]

You are wasting your time. Its a fight you can not win.

hence why a lot of people are over here now. put too much power in the hands of one retard, and it fucks everything up. bernie ecclestone, case in point.

[J_Parker]

Hence why I'm here.

[eljefefx]

so I got suspended for trying get my post reopened, and starting a new one when that didn't happen :)....hell will be payed.

You felt like pushing buttons, it appears.

[onebadmollafolla]

lol3Sdie

[green-lantern]

You are wasting your time. Its a fight you can not win.

Yep!

If you don't like the way it's being ran there then don't post there. It's a shame some new people might not find out about NG but pretty much everybody that goes knows about it and knows where to find the info. I've been the last three years and I'm confident this will be the biggest and best that I've seen.

[Emilie@GZP]

Don't get me started....

[Emilie@GZP]

Yep!

If you don't like the way it's being ran there then don't post there. It's a shame some new people might not find out about NG but pretty much everybody that goes knows about it and knows where to find the info. I've been the last three years and I'm confident this will be the biggest and best that I've seen.

I'm inclined to agree :)

[Rocket]

pssst Alan I clicked the red lettering in your sig and get this "Invalid Forum specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator (http://www.3sgto.org/sendmessage.php)" :P
(ducks)

[a2j]

how is this a "political" discussion?

[dpartinvr4]

their politics are the reason I am pissed off

[93STLTH]

3Si mod......

http://oneguyrambling.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/humongous.png

"The time for reasoning is over.... now we do it my way!"

[dpartinvr4]

lol...true that...I'm done with them

[J_Parker]

Anyone notice how bloody well slow that site is too? I've been on three different computers with Firefox and internet explorer with no speed increase.

[dpartinvr4]

I notice it makes sure that all the boarder adds and crap load before the pertinent information does, that is probably the reason.

[CoopKill]

Try loading a page on a cell phone.


















Still waiting....

[dpartinvr4]

Try loading a page on a cell phone.
I know what you mean.

[onebadmollafolla]

I know what you mean.

Are you talking to yourself? :confused:

[dpartinvr4]

no, I meant to quote Coopkill

[J_Parker]

Try loading a page on a cell phone.


















Still waiting....

Man, when I was in Saskatchewan using my iPod... I wanted to punch myself in the face for a pass time while the pages loaded :suspect:

[Lori]

Found this when I attempted to log into 3si tonight... Great reason!!


You have been banned for the following reason:
..............

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

[onebadmollafolla]

Found this when I attempted to log into 3si tonight... Great reason!!


You have been banned for the following reason:
..............

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

No, Lori. We just don't understand the way of 3SI. They are good people, we just don't know their culture. ;) I'll continue my (somewhat regrettable) respect for the very few that moderate on there. However, with that said, that site is an abomination to the community. Any reason to say, "I'm here because it is where it all started" is total bullshit. I rarely go out in upset rants but that site is a joke and a thorn in this platform's ass. It's ownership isn't far off from the Mubarak and Gadhafi. A total disgrace that I'd be embarrassed to take any part in. It would be as if our government was taken down and put down by a similarity to Soviet Russia and one stood by and said, "but it's the land that made us great". No. It's the people that made us great. Autoforums is nothing short of a naive piggy bank that runs on the intelligence of a 1st grader.

I find it surreal that the seemingly few moderators still hold stake there. Maybe it's for a sense of power, but it certainly isn't for love of the community, or platform. I will fully disclose any reasoning or thoughts gathered behind this if anyone chooses to embark on that endeavor, as obvious as it may seem. The only merit held over there, is the knowledge that caring members have posted, only to find a plethora of incapable staff trashing their community. With that said, I won't wish anything on anybody here. However, I have a strong sense that tells me autoforums and the incompetent owners that run it will find themselves in a state of vacancy in due time.

[Danube_3KGT]

and 3SI's membership is pointless as hell! I bought one recently to find that the member section had 4 posts and the green room had 1.. defiantly worth the cash.. :sigh:

[Ninja Performance]

You should see what they now ask for sponsorship/advertising. The prices are laughable. Yet they continue to subtract not add to what advertising on their site is worth by continuing to show their butt. Continuing to show they DO NOT support the platform/culture AT ALL (all the while stating they do care). It's a buck for them and nothing else. And business is business and I get that. But there is a BIG difference in a business in it for a buck, and one that happens to make a buck but are in it for the passion of what the business is/supporting. I have been there done that, so yes, I know first hand. I have always be in it for the love/passion of it. Making a living off it just comes with it.

When you can't and they won't even make simple threads for NATIONAL once a year gatherings, they have shown their cards. They can dance around the subject and spew whatever reasoning they want you to believe. But at the end of the day we all know the truth.

Now I will probably be banned over there also LOL.

Thank you again alan for making 3sgto.

-Chris

[93STLTH]

Are any 3Si mods even 3S owners? I think I only know of one who owns a running 3S.

[eljefefx]

Are any 3Si mods even 3S owners? I think I only know of one who owns a running 3S.

Mine is not currently running. Life has found wonderful ways of preventing me from fixing the electrical issue I have right now with my 96 base 3000.

[CoopKill]

Dbest does as well, more than one I think?

[Alan92RTTT]

Are any 3Si mods even 3S owners? I think I only know of one who owns a running 3S.

IIRC

Most if not all do. They may not have driven them in a while but I believe they all own one.

[ChargerX3]

I have 3 TT's that are running and constantly being worked on. The passion is still there.

[dbest671]

Yes I have a 3kgt, remember some of us (if not all of us) were members before becoming moderators. We have a Spyder VR4 and had a 94 VR4 but sold once we got the Spyder. And it RUNS, drove it from TX to TN without a problem. With only 28K miles it doesn't get driven that often though.

[IPD]

i'd say you have my condolences, lori; but at this point...i think congratulations are in order. :)

[J_Parker]

Congrats on being booted! I wish I could, then I'd have an excuse not to meander over there from time to time :p

[IPD]

oh you can. it's actually damn easy. publically tell dpfsharkbait that he's a hormonal teenager with the maturity of a 1st grader. problem solved!

[J_Parker]

I'll try it out lol :p

[Lori]

And you can do that absolutely anywhere that he'll see it and still get banned! You don't even need to do it on 3si! It's amazing how this works, really.

[J_Parker]

I'll be a test dummy and see how long I last ;)

"dpfsharkbait" is a careless hormonal teenager with the mentality of a 1st grader, not to mention borderline meatstick!

Any bets on membership longevity?

I'll log on hourly to see how long it takes.

[IPD]

And you can do that absolutely anywhere that he'll see it and still get banned! You don't even need to do it on 3si! It's amazing how this works, really.

touche!

[J_Parker]

1:46Pm still a member.

[dpartinvr4]

1:46Pm still a member.

Now that he knows were on to him, he won't do it

[J_Parker]

Now that he knows were on to him, he won't do it

That was exactly my thought, I should go over there and spam the shit out of the threads with that comment and see if even then he'll ban me lol.

[IPD]

Now that he knows were on to him, he won't do it

this.

[J_Parker]

2:53Pm Still there lol. Every four hours I'll check :p

[dpartinvr4]

2:53Pm Still there lol. Every four hours I'll check :p
I'm telling you, dpfdipshit, aka 'King Troll" won't do it now, because we're on to him.

[J_Parker]

dpfdipshit

Lol! The guy is such a noob.

[Emilie@GZP]

I'll be a test dummy and see how long I last ;)

"dpfsharkbait" is a careless hormonal teenager with the mentality of a 1st grader, not to mention borderline meatstick!

Any bets on membership longevity?

I'll log on hourly to see how long it takes.

DPF Daivd is in his 50's... fyi.

[J. Fast]

David idolizes power, he can have all the power and stuff in "his world" but will always be lonely and poor in terms of living a rich life. That kid has much to learn.

[n2nsanity]

What bothers me the most is censoring your pm's. As if censoring or deleting posts isn't enough, really, pm's too??? That is total bs.

I'm surprised my signature wasn't censored for having the letters "NG" in it.

Modified my signature again. Now I'm asking for it, lol

[Lori]

DPF Daivd is in his 50's... fyi.

Em, this quote speaks volumes to me... Just the fact that you have to point this out or no one would've realized it... Says it all.

[J_Parker]

Okay, I'm rreeeaaallly going to push it, although I unfortunately can't make NG :( I'm posting the link for details on in my sig over there :)

[CoopKill]

If your 3S and GTO had an ORGy you would know where to go! :lmao:

[J_Parker]

If your 3S and GTO had an ORGy you would know where to go! :lmao:

Really? Lol :p

P.S. anything to do with 3SGTO has been censored from being posted over there, just a heads up incase no one knew.

[n2nsanity]

That's what I was talking about...

Shortly after this site came out, I was sending 3sgto links to some friends over there. They were like "what are you talking about??"

Then I looked at my sent messages and saw that "3sgto.org/forum" was automatically replaced with "3si.org/forum". I think the same will happen if you typed in "3sforums.com"

I think that's actually illegal in some way. If people are being sued for comments they made on their own personal facebook page, I don't see how people can be allowed to change someone's words on a public forum. I'm no expert, but isn't that some form of slander or something?

[TT Eric]

DPF Daivd is in his 50's... fyi.


Oh wow! That really surprised me!! Dang.

Eric

[J_Parker]

That's what I was talking about...

Shortly after this site came out, I was sending 3sgto links to some friends over there. They were like "what are you talking about??"

Then I looked at my sent messages and saw that "3sgto.org/forum" was automatically replaced with "3si.org/forum". I think the same will happen if you typed in "3sforums.com"

I think that's actually illegal in some way. If people are being sued for comments they made on their own personal facebook page, I don't see how people can be allowed to change someone's words on a public forum. I'm no expert, but isn't that some form of slander or something?

I believe it is slander, I'll look it up when I have some more time and let you know if someone doesn't first.

I tried to post Alans NG link in my sig over there and where 3SGTO.org was all that showed was ********* I had to use Lori's instead.

[Lori]

If your 3S and GTO had an ORGy you would know where to go! :lmao:

I love this one!

[n2nsanity]

You'll have to use a url that redirects. Either a page on one of your own sites or something like this.

http://tinyurl.com/484fz5u

[IPD]

the fact that david is in his 50's makes it that much more sad.

...i would only hope that if i started to become impartial, that i would have the sense to step down. this community deserves better.

[J_Parker]

HA! What a bunch of fucktards, they removed the link from my sig... Surely enough though, I replaced it :suspect:

[dpartinvr4]

HA! What a bunch of fucktards, they removed the link from my sig... Surely enough though, I replaced it :suspect:
anything you tell us you did over there, dpfdipshit Trolls over here and finds so he can change it.....JSYK

[J_Parker]

I know, I'm trying to instigate my own banning from that site.

[CoreyB]

Shouldnt take long, surprised your not banned yet.

[IPD]

dpfdipshit paid for membership on 3sgto, just so he could get into the members area to see the shit people were talking about him. i wish i were making that up.

[CoreyB]

Yeah I saw that in another thread.

Hey Jparker just dont go doing anything that makes 3SGTO look bad, the people left on that end might already have negative views toward this forum as it is. We want to get more members not push any away.

[dbest671]

I know, I'm trying to instigate my own banning from that site.

You know what bothers me about that statement... is if you are banned, I'm sure you will bitch about it. After you just sat there and said you wanted to be banned... so what you can come over here and bash 3si mods?

Comments like the one you just made makes me feel like I could care less if you get banned because well you asked for it.

I can't say I agree with every banning that has happened... but when you blatantly ask for it.

I really try to stay neutral over here, but sometimes people stay stuff that kind of makes me mad.

As yes, I am a paid member over here as well, but it is not to "spy" on anybody.

[Alan92RTTT]

I agree with several of April's points.

If you want to be banned just ask them to do it.

If you have a goal other than getting banned try to explore other options of getting your message across.

[J_Parker]

You know what bothers me about that statement... is if you are banned, I'm sure you will bitch about it. After you just sat there and said you wanted to be banned... so what you can come over here and bash 3si mods?

Comments like the one you just made makes me feel like I could care less if you get banned because well you asked for it.

I can't say I agree with every banning that has happened... but when you blatantly ask for it.

I really try to stay neutral over here, but sometimes people stay stuff that kind of makes me mad.

As yes, I am a paid member over here as well, but it is not to "spy" on anybody.

I'm not doing anything wrong by doing this, I'm simply posting a link to NG in my sig.

Since before this all started I hand't logged onto 3SI in over five months, my account there will not be missed in the least.

I'm also not trying to piss anyone off, but it's really getting under my skin that he refuses to have anything of the national gathering on that site... Come on, we're all passionate about these cars, why the hell can't we just get along about it and share common interest information and events? If dipshit didn't ruin the atmosphere over there then chances are high that I would still value the account.

I'm also not bashing any other mods than Dave, specifically because of his attitude and method of handling the power he has on the site. I've never had a problem with you, nor am I asking for one.

I haven't acutally posted anything on the site since... Hell I can't even remeber :p So nothing is there to make 3SGTO.org look bad in the least of ways, just a simple link to spread the word of NG :)

[CoreyB]

Totally agree that the refusal of any mention of NG is BS but theres nothing we can do about it.

[ChargerX3]

J_parker,

I'm glad you find this to be amusing. Why not act like and adult and ask to be removed if you dislike it so much? Shoot me a PM and let me know.

[dpartinvr4]

had I known the crap that was being pulled there, I would have left LONG ago....like I said before, its like saying I can't post about Enkei rims because Enkei doesn't pay the forum and Dave doesn't like them....it's just asinine.

[mb7050]

yep autoforums ruined 3si hard and the mods suck there too, except few. I would really like to abandon that ship. I still frequently visit 3si but i try my best to steer people here .

[IPD]

J_parker,

I'm glad you find this to be amusing. Why not act like and adult and ask to be removed if you dislike it so much? Shoot me a PM and let me know.

because it doesn't prove anything. goading david into the ban hammer not only underscores our collective convictions of him; it's also damn funny.

[eljefefx]

No Thadd, it's retarded.

And Dillon, for someone who likes to rage about assinine activities, you sure do threaten them like a person who is quite comfortable with engaging in them yourself.

[Broch]

I find it amusing that the mods from 3si come over here and act as if they are about the fray when it comes to how 3si has "evolved". I don't really mean you Jeff, you've always been a do as you say kind of guy. As far as 3si, I still can't believe what a sh#thole it became... 3si got so bad so quick even I could stay and troll around for a bit and that says a lot about 3si.

[dpartinvr4]

And Dillon, for someone who likes to rage about assinine activities, you sure do threaten them like a person who is quite comfortable with engaging in them yourself.
posting about NG is not asinine when It's a 3000gt/stealth site.....thats what "the plan was" to post a link to NG in every section...and since you told me how you found the account, it wouldn't be hard to mask the IP and use less "obvious" personal credentials, but Alan is right, the place is not worth the time anymore.

[IPD]

No Thadd, it's retarded.

And Dillon, for someone who likes to rage about assinine activities, you sure do threaten them like a person who is quite comfortable with engaging in them yourself.

lol. well, it's not the most eloquent method. i'll give you that. still...as much as i like and respect you, jeff, your presence as a mod over there is about as close to complicity as you can get--imho.

[J_Parker]

I will full well admit that, yes I most certainly could have gone a different route of doing this, however... That changes nothing in the fact that Dave's decisions are bullshit, and outright asinine themselves.

The point wasn't entirely to have my membership deactivated, however to make an example of how something as ridiculous as posting information on a platform gathering on another platform specific site isn't tolerated because it came from this site... To me, it's like a slap in the face, although I am not the owner of this site, I avidly use it and would like to see it expand. Not be shunned because someone doesn't like something about it.

[eljefefx]

I'm very good at finding people, Dillon. Ask Alan.

[dpartinvr4]

I do not know you, therefore I have nothing against you, but if you have nothing better to do with your time as a mod for a 3S site than to search for people trying to inform others about a meet specific to that platform, it makes it pretty clear to me where your allegiance lies.

[i3igpete]

had I known the crap that was being pulled there, I would have left LONG ago....like I said before, its like saying I can't post about Enkei rims because Enkei doesn't pay the forum and Dave doesn't like them....it's just asinine.

try making a link to tirerack. one of the former 3si sponsors, and one of the friendliest companies to the entire aftermarket community. luke at tire rack is the guy that coordinates autocrosses at tire rack for scca as well as other local autox groups, writes tire reviews for websites and magazines, and just so happened to let the NG run autox at the company test track. they couldn't afford the sponsorship costs, and now AF redirects their links to their own website. AF gave him the finger just like everybody else that couldn't pony up the cash.

[mb7050]

autoforums does nothing but harm to this platform .

[eljefefx]

I do not know you, therefore I have nothing against you, but if you have nothing better to do with your time as a mod for a 3S site than to search for people trying to inform others about a meet specific to that platform, it makes it pretty clear to me where your allegiance lies.

Dillon, I do most of this while taking the occasional shit during a 14 hour workday.

[dpartinvr4]

try making a link to tirerack. one of the former 3si sponsors, and one of the friendliest companies to the entire aftermarket community. luke at tire rack is the guy that coordinates autocrosses at tire rack for scca as well as other local autox groups, writes tire reviews for websites and magazines, and just so happened to let the NG run autox at the company test track. they couldn't afford the sponsorship costs, and now AF redirects their links to their own website. AF gave him the finger just like everybody else that couldn't pony up the cash.
No amount of moderation can fix this with an administration that is more interested in lining its pockets than advancing the platform. It's time to salvage what useful information we can from the site, and let it continue to sink to the bottom of the ocean.

[stealthee]

autoforums does nothing but harm to this every automotive forum it has taken over.

fixed

[dpartinvr4]

autoforums has done nothing but harm to every automotive forum it has taken over.


fixed

we heard you liked fixing, so we fixed your fix

[mb7050]

i hope this place stays in good hands long ever after.

[93STLTH]

I think it's time to give this a rest guys. The best thing we can do is to stay off of 3Si. Even if you go there to look at something, it adds to their traffic, and more traffic helps them get advertising from dating web sites and other crap we don't care about. If you really want to hurt AF, just stay off the site.

[dpartinvr4]

I think it's time to give this a rest guys. The best thing we can do is to stay off of 3Si. Even if you go there to look at something, it adds to their traffic, and more traffic helps them get advertising from dating web sites and other crap we don't care about. If you really want to hurt AF, just stay off the site.
haven't been back since :)

[mb7050]

i just dont get it why "good people" keep moderating over there just quit already

[J_Parker]

I think it's time to give this a rest guys. The best thing we can do is to stay off of 3Si. Even if you go there to look at something, it adds to their traffic, and more traffic helps them get advertising from dating web sites and other crap we don't care about. If you really want to hurt AF, just stay off the site.

I have to concur, after some thought. I think it'll be best to just let them do theirs, and us do ours. Points can and have been proven, if they fall, oh well. I'm beginning to think all this drama is simply going to lead someone onto the wrong/immoral path. I've removed all my info and any posted links from over there, and will cease all activity from here on.

[UTRacerX9]

i just dont get it why "good people" keep moderating over there just quit already

I couldn't agree more. Of course, there's only 2-3 left of those people.

[mb7050]

I couldn't agree more. Of course, there's only 2-3 left of those people.

those must be dpfsharkbait and Lord Warlock , lol











































Oh my god, i truly hope those two guys never end up here

[IPD]

I couldn't agree more. Of course, there's only 2-3 left of those people.

april and ryan are good people for sure. i'm starting to be uncertain of coop and jeff. i'm suspicious of charger. david and LW....well, we don't need to go there.

[n2nsanity]

I think it's time to give this a rest guys. The best thing we can do is to stay off of 3Si. Even if you go there to look at something, it adds to their traffic, and more traffic helps them get advertising from dating web sites and other crap we don't care about. If you really want to hurt AF, just stay off the site.

Hey, I kinda like those dating site ads. I've found all kinds of hot girls in my zip code. :P

[ChargerX3]

i'm suspicious of charger.

Yea, really who is that guy?

[zapman2000]

Lol I got banned from 3si for posting a legal and proper way to have your account and personal info removed but they said I was tolling lol its funny because AF's privacy policy isnt finished which legally gives me the right to have my private info removed and they refused to do so if I wasn't active duty I would go after them

Sent from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk

[Lori]

I got banned for... well, I'm guessing my dislike for David, which I voiced over here, not over there... Such a great reason. I actually went along with not posting about the NG.. Never put it in my sig, my avatar, never posted, never linked. NOTHING.

For the most part, the mods over there are ok... And they've been relatively supportive of the NG, with a few exceptions. David, on the other hand, has been anything but...

Guys, just leave it alone and talk to those you know... Let them know what's going on. Because I guarantee David isn't over there posting about all the people he's banning and why... And they don't realize all the information they're not getting, and all the opportunities they won't get because David has decided they don't need that information.

[IPD]

"3/s owners are on a need to know basis, and david says we don't need to know".

seriously, is he getting paid for what he does?

[Alan92RTTT]

"3/s owners are on a need to know basis, and david says we don't need to know".

seriously, is he getting paid for what he does?

Did he really post that somewhere?

[IPD]

no....but would you be surprised if he did?

[Emilie@GZP]

april and ryan are good people for sure. i'm starting to be uncertain of coop and jeff. i'm suspicious of charger. david and LW....well, we don't need to go there.

Ryan's a douchebag. I'll just leave that here.

[CoreyB]

Ryans a good dude, why would you call him a douchbag. I have met him a couple times and partied with him. In no way is he a douch.

[Emilie@GZP]

Ryans a good dude, why would you call him a douchbag. I have met him a couple times and partied with him. In no way is he a douch.

I've known Ryan for YEARS. Hell, when he and his ex gf broke up, and he was a blabbering mess, he lived on our couch for 2 months. I had always thought he was a good guy until recently. I'm sure he knows what I'm talking about. ;)

So, if he wants to come in here and explain himself about what he had to say about me, then I'd be happy to listen. If he wants to play dumb and deny... then I will be glad to explain MYself to everyone else here.

[sketch]

http://stylealchemy.com/ruminations/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/kingofpopcorn.gif

[i3igpete]

:confused:

[IPD]

Ryan's a douchebag. I'll just leave that here.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

[Emilie@GZP]

I was being serious.

[Alan92RTTT]

Hans and Em's issues with Ryan go way back. IMO its does not mean he's a bad guy just that the 3 of them have "issues"

[Emilie@GZP]

Hans and Em's issues with Ryan go way back. IMO its does not mean he's a bad guy just that the 3 of them have "issues"

Neither of us honestly had any idea Ryan had issues with us, until some recent... erm... actions of his came to light.

As I said, I always had the utmost respect for him until his most recent stunt.

[Alan92RTTT]

Hum I could swear I recall some kind of issue from several years ago.


If its recent you never know he could be getting some bad into from an outside source.

[Emilie@GZP]

Hum I could swear I recall some kind of issue from several years ago.


If its recent you never know he could be getting some bad into from an outside source.

The only thing we can think of, is that Hans charged him for having his car here about 4 months longer than expected, and Hans had to step in to help him finish if I recall correctly (or something to that effect).... unless I missed a step. We really haven't dealt with him since then.

[eljefefx]

Why stop now? Let's just keep the drama going.

[Emilie@GZP]

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