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mb7050
02-14-2011, 05:38 AM
The Bilstein struts currently avaliable for our car do not directly replace the stock struts in the front; the housing from the old strut is saved and the bilstein strut is inserted inside. The rear struts are bolt on replacements for the old struts, no modification is necessary. I have been told that they are looking for a better solution for the front, but for the time being, this is what we have.

First of all, let me say that this is not a complete install how-to. I will describe what is necessary to modify the old front struts, but if you do not know how to remove, disassemble, or reinstall a strut you should look at Jeff Lucius's wonderful page (Stealth 316 - Shock & Strut Removal & Disassembly (http://www.stealth316.com/2-shockremoval.htm) ).

First, Remove and disassemble the front struts.
Then drill about a 1/4 inch hole on the side of the strut approximately 1 inch from the top (see picture #1). Drain the strut of as much oil as you can into a suitable disposal container.
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http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9240/struthowto1.jpg




The second step is to cut off the top of the strut. The bilstein instructions specify that you must cut the strut tube off 48 millimeters from the top of the strut housing. That works out to be about 1 and 7/8 inches. It is my observation that if you stay within 1/8 of this you should be fine, but try your best to get it right on. The tube on that strut is rather strong, so I would not recommend trying to do this without power tools. It is too difficult with a hacksaw because the saw hits the spring seat on the strut. The best tool is a sawzall with a bi-metal blade, which I was able to borrow from work to do this (after trying a hacksaw and a dremel for about an hour). A dremel is not powerful enough to do a reasonable job. A bandsaw would probably also work well for this. Remember when cutting that only the outside tube needs to be cut, you do not have to cut through all the innards as they will slide out when the outside tube is cut completely. Okay, cut the tube and remove the innards. See pictures #1 and #2.
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http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2856/struthowto2.jpg




You should now see that the bilstein insert slides into the old strut housing, but one more modification is necessary to make the insert stay. Flip over the strut housing and drill an 11mm hole (slightly larger than 3/8, I had to use a dremel to widen the hole as I did not have a larger bit handy) in the center of the bottom of the housing (see pic #3). Test fit the stut insert and ensure that the bolt goes through the hole. Then clean the strut housing and paint the machined areas to ensure that they don't rust. I just grabbed some black paint, but it would have been nice to have some rust inhibiting paint handy.
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http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3723/struthowto3.jpg




Okay, you're almost done! Slide the insert into the housing and tighten the bolt on the bottom of the strut with the nut supplied by bilstein. You now need to slide the lockring over the bilstein strut and press it onto the strut housing. In picture #4 you can see the top of the strut insert (yellow) rising just above the cut-off strut housing, with the lockring slid partially on the strut.
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http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8203/struthowto4.jpg



Push the lockring all the way down and then pound it onto the stut housing, being careful not to scratch the new strut tube. I used some regular rubber handled pliers upside-down, so that the rubber-coated handle was touching the strut tube with the bottom of the handle resting on the lockring. I then hit the other end of the plier with a hammer. A plasting pounding block would have been better, but use whatever you feel comfortable with. Force it on until you are sure it will not come off, but make absolutely certain that it is on there straight, or the strut will not operate. Use a tape measure around all sides to make sure that it it square with the strut tube (see picture #5).
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http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6342/struthowto5.jpg




Once that is square, your modifications are complete! Reassemble with springs, etc. and reinstall!
A few notes. I found this really easy to do. It takes a bit of time, but with the right tools it is relatively quick and very easy, It is well worth it for the Bilstein struts. When removing the top nuts on the old struts (after spring has been compressed, obviously) use an impact. You won't have to grab onto the strut to stop it from turning (at least, not like you'd have to with a regular wrench) because the impact doesn't really put much force on anything but the nut (its really cool how that works out). The impact makes it a lot easier. Just be careful not to damage anything that you will need to reuse! Good luck with everything!
-Taylor Alexander


http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6007/struthowtobottomofbilst.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2238/struthowtocompletestrut.jpg



Please note:
Bilstein makes two different set of rear shocks, for ECS(replaces ECS) and one for non-ECS cars (The spring perch is slightly smaller for '96 - '99 VR4's, after Mitsu deleted the ECS)

Front struts :
34-050224 or R36-5022-H1
Rear struts :
24-017435 or B46-1743-H0 NON ECS
24-017428 or B46-1742-H0 ECS


Installing Bilstein struts - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f41/installing-bilstein-struts-233151/)

mb7050
02-14-2011, 05:46 AM
Only necessary if you plan to lower your car more than 1.5"

Recently they made it extremely difficult to cut the bumpstops so it may not be as easy as these instructions describes !
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/503/bilstein011.jpg


Insert a 5mm allen wrench into the bottom of the strut tube. Grasp the yellow part of the strut tube and hold it steady. Turn the wrench CLOCKWISE. It make take a little effort, but it will break loose.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3861/bilstein02.jpg


This picture shows the threaded part of the strut rod flush with the gold colored cap on the bottom of the yellow strut tube.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2265/bilstein03.jpg


Keep turning until the strut tube is free. You'll be left with this. I left the allen wrench inserted for visual reference. The black bumpstop just slides off the strut rod. Cut it as needed, slide it back on, and reassemble.


"They told me to take a chisel, and pop of the bottom cap. Just go slow and be careful."








HOW TO: Cut down Bilstein internal bumpstops - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f41/how-cut-down-bilstein-internal-bumpstops-322735/)

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-14-2011, 10:28 AM
I'm going to try to take some pics tonight of knocking off that lower cap when you can't get the threads loose.

Hans@GZP
02-14-2011, 09:01 PM
Another place to get them from ;)

http://www.3swarehouse.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=239&Itemid=1

mb7050
02-14-2011, 09:08 PM
^the place

Hans@GZP
02-14-2011, 09:24 PM
Thanks :)

mb7050
02-15-2011, 06:34 AM
I'm going to try to take some pics tonight of knocking off that lower cap when you can't get the threads loose.

How did it go ?

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-15-2011, 09:40 AM
sorry forgot yesterday was valentine's day, will work on it tonight.

mh3kgt
02-15-2011, 10:42 AM
sorry forgot yesterday was valentine's day, will work on it tonight.

Ooooh somebody's in trouble!

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-15-2011, 11:24 AM
Ooooh somebody's in trouble!

haha only forgot when posting that message, didn't forget the whole day.

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-17-2011, 07:39 PM
well I'm not much help, mine came apart so easily it wasn't worth taking pics.

I turned the shaft by the allen key and the whole gold plate turned in the strut. Then I just slid them right apart no problem. Mine did not have the tubes swaged or anything. Once the strut is assembled there is no need for anything to really hold that gold piece to the tube since the strut and the nut on the bottom holds everything together.

After the strut slid out of its yellow tube I saw the 3 piece bumpstops. I cut one piece off which close to an inch and called it good.

If yours is swaged just take a chisel and knock the gold plate off the end of the strut tube. The strut will then be free to come out. You may have to hit it on 4 sides since the tube in the pic looks swaged together. you do not have to remove the plate from the strut rod. Just cut the part of the bumpstop using some side cutters. Be careful not to scratch the strut shaft.

mb7050
02-19-2011, 06:07 PM
Good to know. How are you liking them ?

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-19-2011, 06:44 PM
just getting them in today. Ride should be better, my old front kyb shocks were totally blown and my strut mounts were dominated too. You could see the ball bearings in there. They were rusty and it clunked when turning it with your finger! I can't imagine what that was doing with 1200 lbs on it all the time. No wonder I had some clunks...

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-20-2011, 04:57 PM
ok, I have 3 out of 4 installed so far (it is taking a while because I'm trying to maintain my alignment0 and it rides like a dream. Way better than before. Anyone that says the bilstein HDs ride really bad must be sitting on the bumpstops.

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-21-2011, 09:46 AM
I got these all on and it rides like a Cadillac, not sure what people are complaining about. It took all of the bounce out of my car, but still rides smooth.

DG
02-21-2011, 11:04 PM
It's amazing what a properly designed set of shocks can do, isn't it?

DG

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-21-2011, 11:38 PM
It's amazing what a properly designed set of shocks can do, isn't it?

DG

yep, to be fair my old ones were blown, but this is worlds better than it has ever rode before.

I have to dial the alignment in slightly before I can report on the handling.

AWDBoostin
02-26-2011, 08:25 PM
I'm definitely going to be replacing the ECS struts with these soon. How would you say it rides compared to ECS in sport mode? Stiffer? Bouncy? Handle good? Also what springs are you running? Any drop?

a2j
02-27-2011, 11:03 AM
Another place to get them from ;)

http://www.3swarehouse.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=239&Itemid=1


so they are with ESC?

mb7050
02-27-2011, 02:28 PM
front suspension is same thru all years.Only Rear is different.


Please note:
Bilstein makes two diffrent set of rear shocks, for ECS(replaces ECS) and for non-ECS cars (The spring perch is slightly smaller for '96 - '99 VR4's, after Mitsu deleted the ECS)

Front struts :
34-050224 or R36-5022-H1
Rear struts :
24-017435 or B46-1743-H0 NON ECS
24-017428 or B46-1742-H0 ECS

these struts will not retain ECS function

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Only necessary if you plan to lower your car more than 1.5"

Recently they made it extremely difficult to cut the bumpstops so it may not be as easy as these instructions describes !








http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8013/bilstein01.jpg




http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3861/bilstein02.jpg




http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2265/bilstein03.jpg







Info:

HOW TO: Cut down Bilstein internal bumpstops - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f41/how-cut-down-bilstein-internal-bumpstops-322735/)

HOLY SHIT I ran into a tight one tonight. I had to replace one of my front struts and needed to trim the bumpstops. I had to tighten the bottom disk part like holy hell in my vice. Then I had to use a allen wrench and stuck 2 foot of pipe on it and finally I got it loose.

FYI the advance auto parts brand allen wrenches are pretty damn stout. It didn't bend at all with 2 feet of leverage and a hard pull.

J. Fast
02-23-2012, 10:19 PM
Gotta love Loctite 263. Stuff sure is strong. So strong it breaks tools and strips fasteners. I bent the first foot of my 4 foot .120" wall cheater bar when I sleeved a 3/8socket wrench on a run of half a dozen 1/2" steel plate anchors adhered with 263. I was literally hanging on the bar and doing a pull ups and bouncing till it popped. That was only 1/2" of threads adhered too!

Anyway, I've never seen a B4 cartridge. Inside the sleeve is just the bumpstops and then another encapsulated pill for the valve body?

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-23-2012, 10:52 PM
Gotta love Loctite 263. Stuff sure is strong. So strong it breaks tools and strips fasteners. I bent the first foot of my 4 foot .120" wall cheater bar when I sleeved a 3/8socket wrench on a run of half a dozen 1/2" steel plate anchors adhered with 263. I was literally hanging on the bar and doing a pull ups and bouncing till it popped. That was only 1/2" of threads adhered too!

Anyway, I've never seen a B4 cartridge. Inside the sleeve is just the bumpstops and then another encapsulated pill for the valve body?

yeah the pics above are just what mine looked like. the silver part is the dampner body, the yellow sleeve just adapts thee dampner to the stock strut body and reduces side load on the strut rod I would think. It is a questionably small strut rod in my non technical opinion, but I'm sure they did the engineering on it.

It is literally pointless that they started using loctite on this. It must been done only to keep us out. The strut rod gets a nut on it after it is installed in the stock strut body anyway, it couldn't go anywhere even if that bottom plate wasn't crimped to the tube.

J. Fast
02-23-2012, 10:56 PM
Looks like a chicken bone. Do you have a stock ECS strut you can side by side the rod diameter with?

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-23-2012, 10:57 PM
Looks like a chicken bone. Do you have a stock ECS strut you can side by side the rod diameter with?

no I'm afraid not, but I'd guess it at nearly half the size of stock.

mb3000
02-23-2012, 11:26 PM
Forest, are you running the coilover sleeves or factory replacement springs?

Chris@Rvengeperformance
02-24-2012, 12:04 AM
just tein s techs. Plenty low for me. Ride is still good, but controlled.

importrunner
03-12-2013, 08:58 AM
So to notclutter the forum with simple questions I will ask here. I need new struts. I have a 92 TT, my eds has never worked since I bought my car 8 years ago. I'm finally ready to do something about it. I have twin s-techs and was looking at bilstiens but for a little more I could go cxracing coilovers. The vehicle is just a weekend driver looking for a solid spirited ride through the twistys.

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