Suggest a cliutch for 2-3 track days a month for 450 awhp, where to buy and avg cost.

[Vince86]

Well its high time to replace stock clutch. went to track last year and it slipped/stuck a lot not allowing me a good launch. I have never done a clutch change before and know nothing of what ones are good or bad. i read about spec going downhill and this and that about others but i need good info as to what all ill need to change a clutch, where and which one I should get for my purpose.

Looking for good performance for launch and something that's not too bad on the leg but im sure ill be ok if its a little stiff. Lower the cost the better so i can spend more in other areas but i wont go el'cheapo and screw myself. I did find 316's clutch guide, seems to be ok to follow I guess but im sure ill have issues. All help is appreciated thank you guys :D

Also just noticed the mistype on clutch... sob

[Austin@STM]

I would recommend something along the lines of a ACT with a street disk, or clutch masters fx300, nothing to crazy, so it still has a good pedal without killing your leg everytime you drive. If you still have the clutch assist hooked up, they really wont be bad at all.

Spec clutches arent bad either, some people dont like them but mine never gave me issues, and i beat the crap out of it. I launched the car in second gear ( on purpose ), clutch slipped to the 1/8th mile, and it still worked after that.

-Austin@STM

[Vince86]

what am i looking at all together you think price wise?

[whitedevilstealth]

I use a South Bend Stage 3 from IPS. I have had it on my DD with some trips to the drag strip for 2 years now and it is still holding up nicely. I have around the same HP as you also. I think I paid around 450 for the clutch kit.

[Fakepower]

South Bend Street Series, their stage 2 or greater, even their 750ft/lb tq rated clutch is supposed to be very smooth and very DD capable

[jtvr4]

South Bend.

[Vince86]

sounds like a partial crowd to south bend, i think ill go that route, where would you purchase said clutch then suggest a site? in the meantime ill browse around.

EDIT: so far best prices for spec stage 2 plus unsprung im finding 480 before ship and southbend stage 3 for 475 Shipped. prices from IPS and 3sx.

Next question is there are two southbend stage 3's one is 475 and the other is 525, 475 is DXD and other is OFE is the price difference worth it in my case?

[jtvr4]

sounds like a partial crowd to south bend, i think ill go that route, where would you purchase said clutch then suggest a site? in the meantime ill browse around.

EDIT: so far best prices for spec stage 2 plus unsprung im finding 480 before ship and southbend stage 3 for 475 Shipped. prices from IPS and 3sx.

Next question is there are two southbend stage 3's one is 475 and the other is 525, 475 is DXD and other is OFE is the price difference worth it in my case?

I have the DXD and it holds my power with no problem. However the engagement is somewhat harsh.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

act or rps with street disc

[Fakepower]

sounds like a partial crowd to south bend, i think ill go that route, where would you purchase said clutch then suggest a site? in the meantime ill browse around.

EDIT: so far best prices for spec stage 2 plus unsprung im finding 480 before ship and southbend stage 3 for 475 Shipped. prices from IPS and 3sx.

Next question is there are two southbend stage 3's one is 475 and the other is 525, 475 is DXD and other is OFE is the price difference worth it in my case?

Go to the Southbend Clutch website, it will make it clear what the difference is (they have pictures). One is likely a street disc, the other is probably a puck clutch, just going off memory the OFE is the street disc clutch, the DXD is the track puck style clutch.

and who/where did you find your avatar?

Opps forgot you can buy southbend direct or thru IPS (dont know if anyone else sells them, going from memory) the southbend guys are great, they have a guy that races a porsche at road america, and him and i got into a convo for like 45minutes just shootin the shit. they seem like a very good company with good people. I've yet to hear a negative review of their clutches.

[mh3kgt]

RPS or other pressure plate with an OEM disc will hold just fine at that power level from what I have heard many many times, and it's probably one of your cheaper options as well.

[Vince86]

and who/where did you find your avatar?



found her in another forum asked doc who she was and he told me it was Pure dee which i did a google search for and kept that pic.

[Ninja Performance]

I would recommend something along the lines of a ACT with a street disk, or clutch masters fx300, nothing to crazy, so it still has a good pedal without killing your leg everytime you drive. If you still have the clutch assist hooked up, they really wont be bad at all.

Spec clutches arent bad either, some people dont like them but mine never gave me issues, and i beat the crap out of it. I launched the car in second gear ( on purpose ), clutch slipped to the 1/8th mile, and it still worked after that.

-Austin@STM

I am with Austin, ACT would be a good choice. Ran that in SLTT back in the day (AWD trans) and beat the hell out of it. I think I was using an ACT 2600.

-Chris

[Vince86]

I am with Austin, ACT would be a good choice. Ran that in SLTT back in the day (AWD trans) and beat the hell out of it. I think I was using an ACT 2600.

-Chris

The act clutch looks like it would hold up really well but its far out of my price range im afraid. im already over if i get the southbend for 475 which so far is cheapest i can find at IPS site.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

The act clutch looks like it would hold up really well but its far out of my price range im afraid. im already over if i get the southbend for 475 which so far is cheapest i can find at IPS site.

you can get the pressure plate for about $400 if you look around (search for MB019):

ACT HD Pressure Plate Stealth 3000GT - eBay (item 140481332910 end time Feb-19-11 20:28:35 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACT-HD-Pressure-Plate-Stealth-3000GT-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b55706aeQQitemZ14048 1332910QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)

The stock disc is about $70 from the discount dealers.

Or if you don't mind the somewhat questionable clutch disc:

F1 HDSS CLUTCH KIT w ACT 91-99 3000GT GTO TURBO 3.0 JDM - eBay (item 400187335732 end time Mar-12-11 10:28:09 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/F1-HDSS-CLUTCH-KIT-w-ACT-91-99-3000GT-GTO-TURBO-3-0-JDM-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5d2d062434QQitemZ40018 7335732QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)

FYI the stock disc and act plate will hold a lot more than 458 ft/lbs. Probably closer to 550. The rps is basically the same and is rated at 585. I think it has slightly more clamp load.

[mh3kgt]

What forest said ^ get yourself a nice pressure plate on the classifieds or buy new and grab an OEM disc for ~$70 and you will be good to go, plus it's way less expensive to replace if you burn up the disc somehow.

[Vince86]

Thanks guys ill end up doing that, ill search here for some pressure plates and disks, know anyone selling some? ohh and when i was looking the kits came with some things i dont know about, some release bearing and alignment tool. will i have to buy them separate if i go with an AF pressure plate and OEM disk? im honestly just thinking about going with the second link you posted if i cant find anything else.

Edit: will i have to replace throw out bearing when i do this? sorry if its nub but never done a clutch before. i want to get it right the first time around.

[Vince86]

ok so i looked around and sinvr4 is selling a spec stage 3 pressure plate with 7k miles on it for $100 and will give me a new TOB with it shipped for $170 total. think I should go that route buy a stock disk and then resurface my flywheel and be done with it?

[mh3kgt]

Sounds like a plan to me. I'd deff put in a new TOB while you're doing the clutch and PP swap, and get ahold of a clutch alignment tool if you can. They can be had at parts stores for ~$7 or so and sometimes come with the clutch kit itself. Less headache in the future. I made the mistake not replacing a TOB once and it started ticking later on and really annoying me. Would be a good idea to resurface the Flywheel while you're at it too. :thumbup: Sometimes keeping things as close to OEM parts as possible = way less chance for expensive headaches in the future. I wish my car was closer to stock setup sometimes

*EDIT* Oh and if you're gonna be dropping the tranny and installing the clutch yourself get ahold of an engine hoist and look up "Gatecrasher tranny install method" basically you use the shifter cable bracket area and a chain bolted to it as a perfect balance point to lower/raise the trans back in and it aligns itself 90% of the way for you ;)

[Vince86]

Ok guys bought a used Spec stage 3 pressure plate with 4k miles the guy said on it for $150 shipped with a new Throw out bearing. so now i need to get a disk but before that I had one question to ask. exactly how important is it for this pressure plate to be smoote and even? when i run my finger acrossed it i can feel slight uneveness to it, very slight but still there. how much is too much and what can or should i do about it.

[Vince86]

Anyone got an idea about this pressure plate. if pics will help let me know ill take some and post up.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

put a straight edge on the plate, if you can stick more than a .007 feeler gauge in anywhere I wouldn't use it.

[Austin@STM]

Post up a pic of it. Wear on the plate isnt necessarily a bad thing, but you do want to make sure its not warped for sure.

-Austin@STM

[Vince86]

KD 161 DELUXE FEELER GAUGE MADE IN THE USA - eBay (item 260744921706 end time Mar-29-11 15:10:55 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KD-161-DELUXE-FEELER-GAUGE-MADE-USA-/260744921706?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3cb59bc26a)

You think that one will suffice? seems like it may be too wide of a gauge to really tell.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8369/imag0198n.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/imag0198n.jpg/)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8682/imag0204y.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/imag0204y.jpg/)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/329/imag0222f.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/imag0222f.jpg/)
This one here in the center there you can kind of see a darker streak which i can catch with my fingernail, i assume that type of stuff can just be scraped off with a razorblade.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

yeah just get a feeler gauge from the parts store like that. you want to try to put it in towards the center of the plate, when they warp they turn into a bowl shape.

I can't really tell if it is grooved or not from that pic, if it isn't warped and isn't grooved clean it up with some garnet paper and brake cleaner and you should be good to go.

[Ninja Performance]

KD 161 DELUXE FEELER GAUGE MADE IN THE USA - eBay (item 260744921706 end time Mar-29-11 15:10:55 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KD-161-DELUXE-FEELER-GAUGE-MADE-USA-/260744921706?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3cb59bc26a)

You think that one will suffice? seems like it may be too wide of a gauge to really tell.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8369/imag0198n.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/i/imag0198n.jpg/)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8682/imag0204y.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/imag0204y.jpg/)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/329/imag0222f.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/imag0222f.jpg/)
This one here in the center there you can kind of see a darker streak which i can catch with my fingernail, i assume that type of stuff can just be scraped off with a razorblade.

From the pics, that looks pretty beat up.

-Chris

[B-Man]

Take it to a machine shop and see if they'll mill it flat (like a flywheel)

[Vince86]

Ok called around to local machine shops and most are saying $50 for resurfacing the flywheel if its flat, 65-100 if its stepped (its flat right?) and I was told the pressure plate cannot be resurfaced because there are adjustments withing the plate itself that specialty shops have to make and disassemble if it were to be done and no one around here does it and said if its bad enough to need resurface to buy a new one... so ill just polish this one up and use the gauges and see what i get i guess.

[Vince86]

about 45 minutes with 600 and 1000 grit paper and i get this....
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/79/imag0223p.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/imag0223p.jpg/)
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9022/imag0224.jpg (http://img856.imageshack.us/i/imag0224.jpg/)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7929/imag0225b.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/imag0225b.jpg/)

[FeaRpb]

That actually turned out nice. Congrats.

[mh3kgt]

Doesn't look bad at all. Now grab an OEM disc and install that puppy

[Vince86]

OK update and maybe two more questions (im killing you guys i know :P) Got the feeler guages today and i had to go down to .002 until i could find a spot that it was able to slightly get under my steel straight edge. However thats where my question lies, Do I lay the straight edge one side at a time having the end of it somewhere floating in the center of the whole plate while i check or am i to lay it completely across both sides at the same time? if I do that all the gauges would fit haha because it only touched on the outer edges that way as it slants inward. Im sure it was the way i did it but i want to be 100 percent sure.

Final question I think would be, will i need any special gaskets, bolts, screws or tools for this job or will I be able to use everything that's on the car now to place this new pressure plate in with a new oem disk and resurfaced flywheel?

[mh3kgt]

Just lay the straight edge along one side and let one end hang in the middle. You shouldn't need anything special other than fluids to fill the transfercase and tranny back up. If you're careful enough you can get away with taking the tcase off without losing any gear oil, but it's best to just add new while you're at it. Also, look up gatecrasher tranny install method. Very helpful way to get the tranny back in place without hanging it on the splines and damaging the PP/clutch disc.

[Vince86]

Awesome, thanks so much for the help ill start searching for that method now.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

no you should lay the straightedge all the way across, if it doesn't lay flat its warped.

[mh3kgt]

no you should lay the straightedge all the way across, if it doesn't lay flat its warped.

My apologies Forest is right I must have been having a brain fart, the Pressure Plate should be completely flat so that it contacts the clutch disc evenly...dunno what I was thinkin when I posted that.

[Vince86]

Alrighty then I think im F*cked going by what forest said... heres the pics... its pretty bad then... would 4k of been enough to get a spec pp this way? if I had known I would have asked for pics as I am showing them to you guys.

I havnt messaged him or gave him a review yet, unfortunately i think I screwed myself as he is unverified on here and didnt care thinking I was helping a fellow 3s owner out... I guess I should see what he has to say.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9730/imag0230r.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/imag0230r.jpg/)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4532/imag0229o.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/imag0229o.jpg/)

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

yeah I'm sorry, but that is warped. I bought a clutch like that too from a guy, but luckily he refunded me.

New is about the only way to go.

[Vince86]

alright bud thanks a ton for the info you kept me from putting a bad plate on my car and would have made me even more pissed off... im writing sinvr4 now perhaps he didnt know and will be willing to work with me, I can only hope. Thanks again guys, its awesome to have such a great group of people helping each other out.

[Vince86]

Hey just found this one, not name brand though... any thoughts?
91-99 STEALTH 3000GT 3.0 VR-4 STAGE 3 CLUTCH KIT 6G72-T - eBay (item 270704956104 end time Mar-13-11 01:04:02 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/91-99-STEALTH-3000GT-3-0-VR-4-STAGE-3-CLUTCH-KIT-6G72-T-/270704956104?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f0745d2c8)

Another but cant find power rating.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/XTD-STAGE-4-CLUTCH-KIT-3000GT-VR4-GTO-STEALTH-TURBO-/200580515560?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Model%3A3000GT&hash=item2eb387c6e8

still considering the one forest posted, just thought i would post these and see if anyone has any insight. thanks

[Vince86]

good news is sinsvr4 is trying his best to help me out, hes short on cash and cant just refund me right away but im willing to work with him because i know what its like to be in a shitty situation.

Bad news i still havnt decided on a kit yet its a toss up between the whole kit forest suggested on ebay or the two i posted...

[mh3kgt]

Ya sinsvr4 is a good guy, I'm sure you'll get things worked out.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I personally wouldn't run a 6 puck until it you had to.

[mh3kgt]

Look around for an rps pressure plate. I'm not sure if they sell them separately or not but I've heard rps pp with oem disc is great for that powwr level. If not I believe I still have an ACT pp and Centerforce pp laying around somewhere that I can check for warping beforehand if you'd be interested

*EDIT* sending you a PM, ACT is a tiny bit warped, but Centerforce is near perfect. Looks like it was only used for a few miles actually lol

[Vince86]

sorry guys had some military things to take care of and couldn't get online. Im checking Pm's now

[Vince86]

ohh and basically even if i got one of those ebay listed i posted, If I got an oem disk I think I would still be saving money going new as the whole kit is $240. I just wasnt sure if anyone had used one before or just know from somewhere that its either garbage or works fine.

[VR-4 0wnz j00]

Southbend has been solid in my experience. I ordered direct from them.

[mh3kgt]

Southbend has been solid in my experience. I ordered direct from them.

Lots of guys seem to like Southbend, mine only lasted me ~1k miles before the springs popped out. I had the stg3 ofe and loved it up until all the springs popped out :sad: I never launched on it at all either and never really romped on it ever. I don't think the car ever saw past 12psi with the 15g's before the clutch went out. I don't know if it's a case of Southbend quality control, or if it's just sprung hub discs in general, all I know is, I've seen way too many springs pop out in my day

[Vince86]

I wanted to give a huge thanks to mh3kgt for the perfect centerforce pressure plate he sold me for a great great price saving me money on my budget and keeping in contact with me the whole time. Very informative and when he told me barely used he wasn't joking, this thing is damn near brand new and my straight edge shows it (cant see any light on any side) So along with a new oem disk, this and the new TOB from sinsvr4 all i need is the alignment tool and all new fluids and I'm good to go. Advance auto doesn't carry the tool btw not sure where to get one around here now since they are main store in my area besides Napa so ill call them.

Edit: Napa is a no go too :(

[mh3kgt]

Yeah the Oreilley's here said they had one, and let me borrow the alignment tool, but it wasn't even close. I had to improvise and wrap it in electrical tape to get it to be a snug enough fit in the splines to even work correctly. Napa should probably be a safe bet tho. If not may have to try a Mitsu dealer...

*edit* Oh, and glad you were happy with the pressure plate and can make good use for it. Pretty much forgot it was sitting in a box under the spare bed until I really thought about it and saw that you needed one after your mishap with the other PP. Now turn up the boost and let her rip

[Vince86]

Ugh the dealer is the last person Ill call haha they are terrible here.

Edit: holy cow... the dealer cant even get them wtf!

[mh3kgt]

Yeah same here, well I believe 3sx and a few other vendors should have the alignment tool for sure.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

isn't it a 1" 23 spline tool, try autozone.

as far as I know it is the same as the evo:

http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/act_clutch_alignment_tool.htm

[Vince86]

I called every part store around, dealer, specialty tool shops and none have it. The dealer has one for themselves but won't loan them out. So I'm trying to find the right one online. I keep finding non turbo ones though (doesn't clarify awd) only place I know for sure is 3sx at 26 shipped 13 for tool 13 for shipping...

The link you posted woukd be amazing $9 shipped if it will work. Anyone know for sure?

[mh3kgt]

PM Austin at STM, he would know for sure.

[Vince86]

What forum? There is like 10 of them.

[mh3kgt]

He's on here as well as the other site. Go to the STM section under vendors, it'll be easy to track him down there...

[Vince86]

Austin said yeah I just have to select the 3s one, told me its what he used.

[Vince86]

isn't it a 1" 23 spline tool, try autozone.

as far as I know it is the same as the evo:

STM - ACT CLUTCH ALIGNMENT TOOL | DSM | EVO | WRX & STi | 3000GT | AT87 | AT20 | AT03 (http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/act_clutch_alignment_tool.htm)

Ordered one from them, Thanks again forest saving the day as usual. and thanks mh3kgt for the contact idea to make sure.

[Boomer3000]

Alrighty then I think im F*cked going by what forest said... heres the pics... its pretty bad then... would 4k of been enough to get a spec pp this way? if I had known I would have asked for pics as I am showing them to you guys.

I havnt messaged him or gave him a review yet, unfortunately i think I screwed myself as he is unverified on here and didnt care thinking I was helping a fellow 3s owner out... I guess I should see what he has to say.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9730/imag0230r.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/imag0230r.jpg/)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4532/imag0229o.jpg (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/imag0229o.jpg/)

Get a new ruler first.. That thing looks like it was beat on a damn curb... Then relay it...

[J_Parker]

You can't test with a ruler, it doesn't work like that.

[Sin'sVr4]

bro, i dont sell shitty stuff. I have a 40 positive rep on 3si and seriously you checked to see if it was flat with a metal ruler that looks like you ran over it 30 times. Then you sanded the PP and now its not flat? wtf? the PP was perfect. 4k on it isnt bad and u still sanded the pp? so you have perfectly even strokes to ENSURE it is even? wtf is that? pisses me off that shit like this happens.

[Boomer3000]

Rulers are NOT permitted!!!

[J_Parker]

How does that ruler stand up on it's own? Was David Blaine there to help with that?

[Sin'sVr4]

seriously, im kinda at a loss for words, you use a welding tool ruller to measure and you "SANDED IT"? Y didnt you get it resurfaced? it can cost what $40 bucks? But, it wasnt warped. And what r clutches supposed to look like after 4k of use? perfectly shiney? really? you ever look at a used PP after you pull it off? I have and they all look alot worst than that btw. I tried to help him with other things that he could use or sell, and he didnt want them. cash is gonna be a no go. And the only reason im not verified here is becasue i was too lazy to get alan a picture of my personal shit..

[jbuhrman]

And the only reason im not verified here is becasue i was too lazy to get alan a picture of my personal shit..

Why would you take pictures of your shit?? Kinda weird.. I think they have a name for that

[Sin'sVr4]

lol. you silly bastard!! yes i take pics of my shit...only the long ones that curl in the bowl

[Boomer3000]

I love beautiful big tits... Ones that are perky and round.. That bounce and taunt you.. Then ones with perfect nipples that just becon for you to suck and bit......

[J_Parker]

lol. you silly bastard!! yes i take pics of my shit...only the long ones that curl in the bowl

Those ones are the best, they're like a feat.

[Boomer3000]

Shit wrong thread

[Boomer3000]

Those ones are the best, they're like a feat.

Ever had green ones ?? Just sayin!

[J_Parker]

Shit wrong thread

You're looking for the boobie thread, this is the poop thread now.

[TT4ME]

http://www.bestchurchofgod.org/.god/uploads/Image/ArticlesGeneral/Misc/Poo.jpg

[J_Parker]

Ever had green ones ?? Just sayin!

Dude, I ate some Chinese food stuff a while ago, and I had like green leopard looking shit in my shit.

[Boomer3000]

oh... I take poops all the time.. perfect.. But we need boobies here as well

[jbuhrman]

http://www.bestchurchofgod.org/.god/uploads/image/articlesgeneral/misc/poo.jpg

really?

[Sin'sVr4]

omg lol i gotta pee now im laughing so hard

[mb7050]

i smell bullshit here. thinking about this you sanded it and now its not straight what the?

[Boomer3000]

.......

[Boomer3000]

Holy shit

[J_Parker]

http://images.quizfarm.com/1151640995shit_fountain.jpg

[jbuhrman]

This just turned into a huge shit

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w24/graymatterslurpee/cacagrande.jpg

[J_Parker]

This just turned into a huge shit

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w24/graymatterslurpee/cacagrande.jpg

Lmao Beautiful!!!

[Boomer3000]

i smell bullfuckingshit here. thinking about this you sanded it and now its not straight what the?

Shit indeed

[Boomer3000]

Lmao Beautiful!!!

Only fuck

[Boomer3000]

By the way.... Your doing it wrong!!!

[J_Parker]

That's what rulers are for though, not checking flatness...

[Boomer3000]

I pooped

[Amphiron]

Thanks for showing how to use a ruler properly.

[FeaRpb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFoXIsky2cY

[Vince86]

bro, i dont sell shitty stuff. I have a 40 positive rep on 3si and seriously you checked to see if it was flat with a metal ruler that looks like you ran over it 30 times. Then you sanded the PP and now its not flat? wtf? the PP was perfect. 4k on it isnt bad and u still sanded the pp? so you have perfectly even strokes to ENSURE it is even? wtf is that? pisses me off that shit like this happens.

Wow for some reason My email never told me about this message

First thing,I Lightly wet-sanded it with my hand never with a power tool ever. It was 1000 grit to just get the black off it and find out if it was grooved. I sent you a pm about all the info. The first pics in this thread are what it looked like when I took it out of the box and it looked terrible man. Im not some faggot douchbag with no honor or integrity. I find it incredibly offensive for a single being to believe me a liar and a scam. I swear to holy hell I would dedicate my life to putting every motherfucking scammer in a trash bin full of honey so they can be devoured by bees. I purposely try to sell my computer on Craigslist at outrageous price just to get them to email so I can report all the info to an agency that is "supposed" to do something about it. I would never EVER slander a mans name and if you read this post in its entirety you will find I was very very calm, collective, and trusting.

You said you would work something out and its been a month and you happen to make a post in my thread suggesting I purposely fucked it up? I had more trust in you man and not once have I had an issue with a member. I still hope that this gets all figured out because I will not put up a negative feedback unless I was righteously scammed. I feel that you sir didnt intend to send me a bad plate I figure it was just something you didnt notice.

[Vince86]

How does that ruler stand up on it's own? Was David Blaine there to help with that?

It is a wide straight edge didnt take much effort man come on. Why does this happen? the guy who gets a part that was mistaken to be good by an honest seller gets shamed, booed and shit on? Ask anyone I live with, Alex3000gt someone who knows me and you would all realize the ridiculousness of where this thread is going. I asked for help and had no idea what I was doing when it came to buying a pp, I got it, was told it looked like shit. I cleaned the black off by wet sanding with 1000grit paper with my hand for a few minutes. in no way possible even with a hand grinder would I have ever been able to make it that warped.

I am the type of guy where If I fuck something up it was my fault and I dont complain because I know it was me. I dont return items unless they were broke out of the box and I dont blame intel if my processor stops working for overclocking. The people who do otherwise should all be drowned in cornstarch.

[Sin'sVr4]

like i said vince, I have no $$ to refund you due to the poor tolerance techniques and also that you did sanding on it. I understand you used 800-1000grit and all that but it wasnt warped and using that beat stick to measure is unacceptable. I said I would send you the evo knob, ok you dont want it, but it IS a brand new OEM evo x from a 2010 evo never used and it goes for $80. if you like your skull one fine, sell this one. thats the best I will do. If it wasnt touched then i would do something else, but to sand it by hand im sorry bro. Luckily I AM willing to help you out due to my nature, but you did by a USED PP and its risky in anything u buy used. I honestly dont have to help you but I am willing. No $$ bud, no money in my account. Thats why im willing to give parts. You said u shoulda been careful due to me being unverified? wtf for real i have sold shit tons with 0 negs and here suddenly i am "unverified" come on bro. Last offer, take it or leave it

[Vince86]

First of all I didnt know who you are so when I saw unverified I was scared of the consequence. Second that ruler is no beat stick it is a precise measuring tool I used when I went to tech school I could pull it right back out of the box and do it with any tool you like if you wish. This plate is exactly the same as it was except now its not covered in burnt clutch disk. Third no matter what, I am going to get screwed, you have the rep here, you will be sided with even if I had notarized paper work of its condition out of the package. I have been boned soooo many times in my life most people would crush their face with a meat tenderizer, all because I have been a pushover to everyone thinking nice is the way to go. I, also stated last month I didnt expect fast or full payment I was willing to work with anything, (ie $10 here $15 there) whatever the case and parts / evo shift knob were fine too if I could use them. I never knew the value of the shift nob so when I said nah you can keep it I was ignorant of its value and would have called it square.

I sent you a pm with my number, please give me a call I really just want to get it all behind us with no one getting shit on.

[jbuhrman]

with no one getting shit on.

Thats a risky comment in this thread :P

Hopefully it gets worked out, Im sure it will

[Vince86]

Thats a risky comment in this thread :P

Hopefully it gets worked out, Im sure it will

Yeah haha thats kinda what I was leaning towards lol. Me too man me too.

[J_Parker]

Well, I'm not picking sides here. Anyone on this site that knows me, knows I kid around a lot, so sorry if any offense was taken to either party.

I may have a solution to it all. Say the plate is indeed warped, and is machinable. Getting the plate machined for the $40 it would cost out of your own pocket and having Mike pay half whenever available seems like a fair compromise.

Does this sound fair?

[FeaRpb]

I want pics of that shifter knob

[Boomer3000]

Boobies

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

there is no possible way the warp in that plate could be caused by cleaning it with sand paper.

You also don't need an instrument from NASA to see that plate is warped.

It is harder to find someone able to machine a pressure plate than a flyhweel because it is hard to properly position it into a tool without having flange bolts in the center.

IF you can find someone to do it then you have to take the plate apart and add some shims to the straps to make up for the lost thickness. Then you have to worry about the diaphragm geometry. Overall you are better off getting a new plate.

[Vince86]

Thanks for the posts guys, I just talked to him on the phone and everything is good to go. He is a cool guy like everyone said and I found he has seen some crap in the past as I have.

Forest thanks again for the info (always so resourceful) I have a plate I bought from mh3kgt last month to put in place of the one we are speaking of. Unfortunately I still have no time to replace my stock one and I await the day it stops raining and going from 70 to 30 degrees haha. I agree with the new part as this would have all been avoided but at the same time I would not have gotten a perfect PP from mh3kgt for a 3rd of the cost and no wear at all (TY!).

To let everyone know he said moneys hard right now and I understand so I agreed to the EVO nob and 2 dress up pieces he had laying around (was looking to get some one day anyway) and I truly thank him for being a good guy and not those fags who purposely sell so called "rebuilt" 15g's and have crazy shaft play when unpacked (sorry for you loss those years ago Sin :( )

Also I went around asking about a resurface for it and they all said they cant do it.

Edit: and J_Parker its all good man no harm done man a jokes a joke haha

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

glad it is working out

[alexw3000gt]

Same here. But what the hell's with the pictures of shit and random comments about boobs? Grow the fuck up, kids. I thought I left that kind of immature behavior when I left the other forum.

[Boomer3000]

Same here. But what the hell's with the pictures of shit and random comments about boobs? Grow the fuck up, kids. I thought I left that kind of immature behavior when I left the other forum.

Dude... Get over it.. We are all just playing around to lighten the tense mood.. Your the one bringing the drama from the other site over here... Even the OP is in on it and understands that we were just trying to lighten it up and play around a little.

[FeaRpb]

No really, this is serious boomer. Very very serious.

[Boomer3000]

No really, this is serious boomer. Very very serious.

Are you super cereal?

[FeaRpb]

Very, these shens have hurt someones feelings and we need to rethink about how to go about this.

[Boomer3000]

Very, these shens have hurt someones feelings and we need to rethink about how to go about this.

I have idea..........MORE POO!!! And BOOBIES... also throw some manbearpig in there!! ...EPIC!!

[J_Parker]

Dude, no manbearpig, they can't handle it.

And really, true story, it didn't kill anyone to post a couple of poop and boobie pics. It was laughed at and lightened the tense mood about it, drop the drama and the old news, it happened like three years ago... W T F.

[mh3kgt]

Glad my PP is working out for you. Sorry, been busy parting the car and haven't been on the forum for awhile to check in with anything. Sucks not having the vr4 to drive anymore I just sit in it when I get a chance and pretend I'm driving again, but a supercharger for my truck will help ease the pain a bit :p