3S is offically not cool any more....

[IcelandGTO]

It has been a battle.. We have been struggling in recent years to keep this platform cool and exotic but now it is obvious .. 3S offically have moved from the cool to the not cool list ..

This guy standing next to his soon to be all riced out SL is the proud new owner ...

The wall has fallen my friends...

it was fun while it lasted


he is 16 soon to be 17.. looks like 12

must be the consequences of too much video games

pics from his facebook

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs790.ash1/168080_178654988840016_100000865476087_377136_7358 355_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs757.ash1/164852_170168783021970_100000865476087_327930_4604 222_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1364.snc4/163695_171459672892881_100000865476087_335633_3332 953_n.jpg

[stealthee]

Can he even see over the steering wheel? I thought Emilie was short. She makes this kid look like a midget. :p

[green-lantern]

Can he even see over the steering wheel? I thought Emilie was short. She makes this kid look like a midget. :p

:lo5l:


He hasn't riced it out yet.....he needs to be told not to, and he needs to be told smoking stunts your growth.

[Austin@STM]

Someone should tell him not to pull the ebrake while he's driving, especially when he can't even see out of the car.

[CoopKill]

I want to see those rims better...

It's already had a nose job! Or has first gen skirts...


Edit: Vanillaroma FTMFL!

[stealthee]

Hes got a friging cigarette sticking out of his mouth too.

[Austin@STM]

Since no one has asked...

Why are you searching 12 year olds on facebook :p

[MADMarc]

lol Austin. That kid cant even see over the dash! Time to get some phonebooks out!

[green-lantern]

:lo5l:


He hasn't riced it out yet.....he needs to be told not to, and he needs to be told smoking stunts your growth.


Hes got a friging cigarette sticking out of his mouth too.

:p

post too short comment :rolleyes:

[stealthee]

Its funny, he almost reminds me of a kid that works the production line at work. He's super short. He said that he is 5' 0". We call him Chim Chim. We just need to find him a Chim Chim outfit.

[IcelandGTO]

It is a 1994 with 1 gen side skirts. i know. he got it from a friend of mine

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1396.snc4/164852_170168793021969_100000865476087_327932_6415 977_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1376.snc4/164852_170168779688637_100000865476087_327929_8038 253_n.jpg

[stealthee]

:p

post too short comment :rolleyes:

I skimmed right past your post and only saw Austin's. :p

[stealthee]

Its at least a 96 since it has the true black dash.

[green-lantern]

but it's auto FTL

For thadd

[IcelandGTO]

Its at least a 96 since it has the true black dash.

his dash is no blacker then my 95 dash , and in the same colour as any other 3s i have had in the past

[stealthee]

I stand corrected. It must just be the picture making it look darker.

[onebadmollafolla]

http://i.imgur.com/Py9CV.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/WEqiZ.jpg




All kidding aside, I hope he doesn't rice it out and drives it responsibly.

[DocWalt]

^^ I lol'd :lol:

[mb3000]

:lol: It's Johnny Tran's little cousin headed to Race Wars!

[stealthee]

The guy in the snake skin pants there is Lance.

:lol:

[IPD]

but it's auto FTL

For thadd

i hate you. and when i get a chance to race you, i'm going to put you into the wall.






















no seriously, my car will probably lose control. :p

[green-lantern]

You wont see nothing but my rear end.........in your lane because it will probably fall out because I did the AWD conversion. lol

[IPD]

...mine will probably shave the coilovers in half and collapse. :)

[green-lantern]

Not before I blow another turbo.

I'll probably lose the foot race after that.

[CoopKill]

http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/skeleton-running.gif

[AdamVR4]

Got my VR4 (not some lowly auto-SL) just before I turned 17.

Obviously, I riced the hell out of it.

[bluzvr4]

my first 3s was a sl but it wasnt riced. i drove the piss out of it and put over 220k miles on it and traded it and cash for my vr4 :) http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/49/l_c465dac5948343128798f1dfd7d3f4f1.jpg

[DocWalt]

I'm glad I didn't start driving until I was 18, lol. I would have probably succumbed to the rice stage of life :p

[FeaRpb]

I didn't start legally driving until I was 18. Thats when I bought my vr-4 too. Boy did I treat that thing badly at the time. Now I am making up for it.

[onebadmollafolla]

Started driving to school at age 14 here. :)

[YoshiBishi]

I riced out my 91 SL when I turned 16 and bought it...
I thought NOS stickers and blue windshield wipers were cool.

19371938

Good thing I sold that, and years later I purchased a stock VR4. I promise I won't rice this one out.

19351936

[mb3000]

I refuse to post any pics of my base that I had when I was 15. I just won't do it :p

[IcelandGTO]

When i was 17 (10 years ago ) i got a Mazda MX6 2.2 Turbo , The hood scope was for the top mount intercooler

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs273.ash1/20071_290714882940_612917940_3390120_2859519_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs193.snc3/20071_290714892940_612917940_3390121_8166777_n.jpg

[AdamVR4]

Uh... I was kidding about ricing mine out. LOL @ the rest of you

[stealthee]

My Stealth went through a rice stage several years back. Then I fucked up the front bumper and turned it into what it is now.

[YoshiBishi]

Uh... I was kidding about ricing mine out. LOL @ the rest of you

Damn you.

[YoshiBishi]

Uh... I was kidding about ricing mine out. LOL @ the rest of you

Damn you.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Uh... I was kidding about ricing mine out. LOL @ the rest of you

hahahaha, that couldn't have turned out any better. Obviously folks sarcasm meters need serious calibration. :D

Jeremy

[IPD]

i never had money to "rice it out".

then again, stealthee would argue that i'm only just BEGINNING to rice it. :rolleyes:


oh yes, fuck you, purple haters

[CoopKill]

i never had money to "rice it out".

then again, stealthee would argue that i'm only just BEGINNING to rice it. :rolleyes:


oh yes, fuck you, purple hatersI love purple!



Barney lover!

[green-lantern]

I riced out my 91 SL when I turned 16 and bought it...
I thought NOS stickers and blue windshield wipers were cool.

19371938

Good thing I sold that, and years later I purchased a stock VR4. I promise I won't rice this one out.

19351936

Thank you! Please don't do that again! and nice new car BTW.

[Granny]

It is a 1994 with 1 gen side skirts. i know. he got it from a friend of mine

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1396.snc4/164852_170168793021969_100000865476087_327932_6415 977_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1376.snc4/164852_170168779688637_100000865476087_327929_8038 253_n.jpg

So how do we know this kid isn't going to be a reasonable owner?

Because of the way he looks....then I don't stand a chance.

[green-lantern]

So how do we know this kid isn't going to be a reasonable owner?

Because of the way he looks....then I don't stand a chance.

RICER!!!!!!!!!!!

But you are cool Karen. :p

[IPD]

yeah...fortunately i got the "hideous seat cover" days out of my blood BEFORE i bought a 3/s...

...i do have pilot pedal covers though. :suspect:

[Granny]

I have Tweety Bird floor mats!
So what? That dosen't make me a ricer. Just someone that has a sense of humor about life.

[CoopKill]

Rice!

http://www.theunticket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Condoleezza-Rice-R1.jpg

[green-lantern]

I have Tweety Bird floor mats!
So what? That dosen't make me a ricer. Just someone that has a sense of humor about life.
No but if you put a big ass aluminum spoiler on the back I'll be the 1st to call you out. ;)

Rice!

http://www.theunticket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Condoleezza-Rice-R1.jpg

:lol:

[Granny]

I have to say that "Ricer" hits a nerve.
My instructor in the performance engine class would refer to modified imports as "Ricers"
I can't remember what he called my BOV but at that point I didn't feel too stupid.
DJ asked me if I corrected him...LOL

[IPD]

and so what? modified domestics are called greasers.

[sketch]

at least he has a really good view of the dashboard. makes me look like a giant.

[mcshooter]

every cruisein or car show i go to here the 3s is a ricer thanks to the kids with fart pipes on there hondas. the kids with there hondas got a cool cruisein closed down here. the more kids who get a mitsu or stealth add to this reputation as a ricer car..

[Emilie@GZP]

:lol:

I think he just may be shorter than me LOL

[IPD]

every cruisein or car show i go to here the 3s is a ricer thanks to the kids with fart pipes on there hondas. the kids with there hondas got a cool cruisein closed down here. the more kids who get a mitsu or stealth add to this reputation as a ricer car..

that's why its important to build your 3/s to be more powerful, more capable, and sound better than the import-hating, greaser crowd.

[YoshiBishi]

^+1

That is why this time around, I went for performance first and cosmetics later. GF keeps bugging me to do a 99 conversion on my 1st gen. She also says I should keep my engine bay shut because my heat shield looks a bit raggedy. However, if I do get the 99 conversion done, she will pose in a bikini for next year's calendar :)

[mcshooter]

since iam a old fart i get along with the old farts with there muscel cars. the cruisein usually has over 300 cars and ii have a few friends who drive there challengers there. nobody expects a 72 old guy to drive a vr4 there . its my sons car

[IPD]

i really do get a kick out of the domestic crowd. there seems to be no end to guys who are "so freaking proud" of having a 60's/70's car that runs mid 12's.

hell, we can do 11's with bolt-ons. that's not even a challenge. :)

[TT4ME]

Except this "single shot" crowd. Can't get more rice than that.

GJ you just lost 15 lbs.. you also gained a 4" dia pipe which makes your car sound fast while it is definitely not. FAIL. It should come with a nice "H" stamped in it.

[IPD]

yeah...the look of the single-shot is the biggest drawback about my current setup. even dual cannisters still seems a tad "ricey" to me.

[mb3000]

You know your exhaust is rice when your cannister will scrape a speed bump before your bumper.

This is my life. :eh:

[mcshooter]

no matter what folks who have 60s-70s say they never ran in the 12s, most would hardly run in the 14s, believe me i was there.

[R/T93]

Yeah my uncle said cars had to be WORKED and have slicks to get into the 12's. He had a 69 396 Chevelle that got 7 mpg, he sold it in 73 for a buick century that got 12 mpg....... Fail

[HilbillyHomeboy]

i really do get a kick out of the domestic crowd. there seems to be no end to guys who are "so freaking proud" of having a 60's/70's car that runs mid 12's.

hell, we can do 11's with bolt-ons. that's not even a challenge. :)

It's the fun of having something unique. Same reason the 3/S is cool, there's just not that many around anymore.

Oh but the whole Appreciating asset thing for good muscle cars kinda kicks ass too. I've yet to lose money on an antique/classic car. Can't say that for anything else I've owned.

Jeremy

[IPD]

It's the fun of having something unique. Same reason the 3/S is cool, there's just not that many around anymore.

Oh but the whole Appreciating asset thing for good muscle cars kinda kicks ass too. I've yet to lose money on an antique/classic car. Can't say that for anything else I've owned.

Jeremy

i'll give you the appreciating value thing. it's totally inexplicable to me, but i guess baby-boomers have a LOT of rather inane sentiments. :p

unique? not hardly. i can't spit in any town i'm in without hitting a half dozen 1g camaros, tempests, darts, chevelles, etc. and that's not even going back further to the WAY, WAY, WAY too prevalent amount of deuce coupes or pickup-truck resto-rods.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Kids will say the same thing about your "desirables" in 20+ years. It's all relative...

You're not seeing real deuce coupes in any repeatability. Not Henry J. steel, no way no how.

Let me know the next time you see a 67 Buick GS400. Right, I won't be holding my breath. ;)

Jeremy

[mcshooter]

Hot Cars by Hans Tore Tangerud (http://www.lov2xlr8.no/index.html) check this for your old muscule cars . i posted this earlier

[IPD]

Kids will say the same thing about your "desirables" in 20+ years. It's all relative...

You're not seeing real deuce coupes in any repeatability. Not Henry J. steel, no way no how.

Let me know the next time you see a 67 Buick GS400. Right, I won't be holding my breath. ;)

Jeremy

i guarantee i wouldn't be nearly as attached to this platform if it wasn't capable of hanging with "the big dogs". performance matters to me. it doesn't appear to matter to those stuck in the 60's.

and what difference does it make if a deuce coupe is original or not? THEY LOOK FREAKING IDENTICAL. honest to god, no one outside of the 3/s community gives a shit if you strip-frame-restore a 99 vr4 or if you clone one from a different year and paint it--without stripping it down. the same applies here. genuine or not, it's the amount that matters--and when it comes to deuce coupes, there are WAY too many of them.

67 buick gs400? looks like a gto. sure, there's differences between all of the 60's era cars; but they all share the same freaking design elements. any casual observer can tell the supra and 3000gt are different cars. most "non-indoctrinated" people would have a hard time differentiating between muscle cars.

p.s.

in 20 years, the 3/s will still balls to the wall fast with bolt-ons. meanwhile, newer cars will be neutered by liberal pussies and older, 60's era cars will still be running n/a on carbs & being proud of running 13's.

p.p.s.

it's just hard for a "young pup" (relatively speaking) like myself to understand the sentimentality. the cars didn't have unique design features (look at the design of a 3/s compared to everything else; now look at the design of a 69 gto vs. everything else). we "forgive" fox-body stangs because they're cheap and stupidly fast; but 60's era cars are the worst of all worlds, imho. they look too similar to each other & the performance is tepid.

[bluzvr4]

i kinda agree but then again totally disagree a 67 chevelle a 67 camaro and a 67 vette look nothing alike

[IPD]

a vette has, for the most part, always stood apart from the "run of the mill"; and that is why i better understand the collector fascination. they also perform better than most other cars for their respective time period.

if you put the average person in a room with the following debadged cars:

67 dart
67 falcon
67 chevelle

they WOULD NOT be able to tell them apart.

again, i get the fascination with unique sheet metal (39 zephyr--to an extent, for instance). split-window stingray, definitely. dmc-12 delorean, MB 300 gullwing, lotus esprit, bmw 507, etc. there are cars which just are DIFFERENT from everything else, and i get that. i don't get what makes owning a dart over a falcon so desirable. blind brand loyalty? the first car you ever owned?

if i were an aging 60 year old baby-boomer, i'd be plunking cash down on that supercar i lusted after but never got; i wouldn't be blowing my wad on prettying-up a 60's mass-produced hunk of sheet metal which stole design elements from every other 60's mass-produced hunk of sheet metal. i'd be buying a miura. i'd be buying a bora. i would not be buying clones.

[bluzvr4]

i dontthink those 3 cars look the same at all. maybe a resemblance but in the case our cars look like a camaro/firebird.

[mcshooter]

i have had quite a few folks and not old ones ask me at a cruise in if my sons vr4 is a pontiac or caramo. at one cruise in when you leave the mc will anounce there goes a 1936 5 window ford but when the vr4 goes by he says i dont know what that is ...

[IPD]

i have had quite a few folks and not old ones ask me at a cruise in if my sons vr4 is a pontiac or caramo. at one cruise in when you leave the mc will anounce there goes a 1936 5 window ford but when the vr4 goes by he says i dont know what that is ...

then you're proving my point. the 3/s is a great car to own because people don't know what it is. if your car can be ID'd by the average 8th grader, then it's not unique. the only reason people say camaro/firebird with our cars is because that's about as close as they can conceive of. honestly, it doesn't FIT any molds; which is why i've never heard anyone make a declarative statement about a stock-bodied 3/s as being a "GM product" with any confidence. it's always an interrogative.

i'll never understand the "blend in" segment. buy a "classic" (and i use that term loosely) car, fix it up, paint it like everyone else's, go just as slow as everyone elses, etc.

then again, i'm a guy who would take a 928 over a 911 any day of the week; regardless of which 911 it was.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Honestly, it means no one cared enough to commit to memory. Not that that's how I feel, but it is the truth. Or maybe y'all just live in areas with excess lead in the water? :p I've never had anyone NOT know what my Stealth was. Got asked to prove it didn't have a v-8 under the hood more than once, but other than that... Then again, most all were younger folks...

Actually it proves MY point as well. $500 says the MC wasn't a young guy. But, I bet he could point out the difference between a base Coronet and an R/T. It is ALL relative to the era you grew up in, and/or immediate influences.

The draw of muscle cars is the raw simplicity. No gadgets, driver band-aid bullshit, computers and other such nonsense. Just pure badassery topped with heaps of torque. They will always be cool...because nothing else looks like them, sounds like them, smells like them and so on.

Jeremy

p.s. glass is gay, if it ain't steel you can get bent on your easter egg colored poser-mobile.

p.p.s. of course a 67 GS looks like a 67 Chevelle, they're both gm a-body cars. the same as all the g-bodies look identical. ain't shit changed from then and now, cues are shared amongst chassis, and stolen by competition. same shit, different era.

[bluzvr4]

i am 21 years old and i can tell the differences i do admit i have alot of people ask what my car is. but i had a 66 corvair and i got asked 3x's more

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Yep, it's simply what you grew up around and/or when you grew up.

Corvair, boy there's a true mechanics car! :D My dad went through quite a few of them. One he got so pissed off at he pulled over in the median of a busy intersection, took off the license plate, popped the vin off the dash and walked away. :lmao:

Jeremy

[bluzvr4]

i learned to drive stick im my 110hp 3 speed lol white with blue interior.

[IPD]

Honestly, it means no one cared enough to commit to memory. Not that that's how I feel, but it is the truth. Or maybe y'all just live in areas with excess lead in the water? :p I've never had anyone NOT know what my Stealth was. Got asked to prove it didn't have a v-8 under the hood more than once, but other than that... Then again, most all were younger folks...

Actually it proves MY point as well. $500 says the MC wasn't a young guy. But, I bet he could point out the difference between a base Coronet and an R/T. It is ALL relative to the era you grew up in, and/or immediate influences.

The draw of muscle cars is the raw simplicity. No gadgets, driver band-aid bullshit, computers and other such nonsense. Just pure badassery topped with heaps of torque. They will always be cool...because nothing else looks like them, sounds like them, smells like them and so on.
Jeremy

so why isn't steve68 driving one?



p.s. glass is gay, if it ain't steel you can get bent on your easter egg colored poser-mobile.

glass? as in fibreglass? wait...isn't the vette all fibreglass since it was introduced? :scratchchin:


p.p.s. of course a 67 GS looks like a 67 Chevelle, they're both gm a-body cars. the same as all the g-bodies look identical. ain't shit changed from then and now, cues are shared amongst chassis, and stolen by competition. same shit, different era.

and the 3/s shares sheetmetal with....what? seriously, comparing it to GM is hilarious. how many w-body cars have been produced?

GM has always been the king of cloning itself:

Chevy: the garden variety
Buick: the old people's version
Cadillac: the pimp version
Oldsmobile: the "we don't really know why we're making yet another varianty" version
Pontiac: the body-cladding division
GMC: the "haha sucker you just paid for a body kit on a chevy" version

not to pick on just GM. chrysler did the same damn thing with plymouth. ford did the same thing with mercury.

but it's still a question of why it has following. the 3/s (like all 90's japanese flagship imports--save the miata) was unique.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

so why isn't steve68 driving one?

:lol:



glass? as in fibreglass? wait...isn't the vette all fibreglass since it was introduced? :scratchchin:

Stop arguing like a girl, stay within context. I guess you're not familiar with the phrase "Henry J. steel"? We were specifically dicussing deuce coupes, which goes on to include any re-pop kit car bullshit. So yes in actual context, glass is gay. /final answer



and the 3/s shares sheetmetal with....what?

Itself? ;) Was there really a need for both cars? Nope, not at all. Was there a need for the Eclipse/Talon/Laser? Again, absolutely not. I mean, what a super marketing idea...hey guys let's bring back EAGLE! Because I'm positive the general public just couldn't get enough of this:

http://img.tfd.com/thumb/e/e6/AMC_Eagle_wagon.jpg


seriously, comparing it to GM is hilarious. how many w-body cars have been produced?

GM has always been the king of cloning itself:

Chevy: the garden variety
Buick: the old people's version
Cadillac: the pimp version
Oldsmobile: the "we don't really know why we're making yet another varianty" version
Pontiac: the body-cladding division
GMC: the "haha sucker you just paid for a body kit on a chevy" version

not to pick on just GM. chrysler did the same damn thing with plymouth. ford did the same thing with mercury.

but it's still a question of why it has following. the 3/s (like all 90's japanese flagship imports--save the miata) was unique.

Again, point proven. Nothing has changed, every brand shares chassis and steals cues from others. What people like is a product of their environment, and there's nothing wrong with that. Acting like an elitist and slamming every car that isn't the same as what is in their driveway is beyond silly and makes them look like an uneducated dipstick.

I never compared the 3/S to GM, or any specific manufacturer. The only comparison I made was uniqueness of the 3/S vs. a muscle car. Specifically, turbo 3/S and comparable trim muscle cars. You brought Darts and Falcons into it. Apples to oranges, do you compare a sohc 91 Stealth to a 91 VR4? Right. I'm talking about 396 or better Chevelles, GS Stage 1's, ACR Cuda's and so forth. Not a slant 6 Fury.

Jeremy

[j2k4]

You know what it is?

Cue up the video of Matt's 8-second quarter, and listen for the big-block in the bleach-box as Matt launches.

As 3S will never, ever make a noise like that - time-slips be damned.

[IPD]

anyone can make a car loud. any v8 can be made to rumble.

imho, the crown jewel of performance is a single-digit timeslip in a car that's as silent as a prius. :)

p.s.

i don't think "kit-car rebuilds" are ghey. if, say, 10 years from now, someone started offering them for the 3/s; i'd be in line. :) looks the same, so what difference does it make? losing $5,000 in car value because the alternator bracket doesn't have the same MFG numbers as the rest of the car is fucking hilarious to me; but that's exactly what i see with GTO's, shelby's, etc.

give me a factory 5 over an original shelby cobra any day of the week. ;)

[mcshooter]

balls to the wall with the big dogs, you must be kidding. ever watch pinks all out, never saw a 3s there yet

[bluzvr4]

lol i just watched it on youtube like 25 mins ago


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfwiXHkxPDY

heres one on pass time too


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByU8qwTdVrs

[mb3000]

balls to the wall with the big dogs, you must be kidding. ever watch pinks all out, never saw a 3s there yet


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByU8qwTdVrs

It's not pinks, but it is a tv show on the same network.

[IPD]

you won't. fox body stang is plenty fast & not something to cry over if you lose it in a race. :)

[mb3000]

^^Damn you beat me to it.

[reallyxxxxxxloud]

You guys are just fucken mean...

[IPD]

perhaps, but it's the god's honest truth. at least with a DSM it's cheap to make fast...but it looks good doing it. fox-body stangs...well....

congratulations. your 6-second car looks identical to the one on cinderblocks that i passed on the way to the dragstrip. :)

[stealthee]

Fox bodies look good. They look better than the piece of trash 74-78 Mustang II's and the SN95 94-98's. They definitely look better than the 05+.

[bluzvr4]

i would take a 4 eye mustang. preferbaly a 86 gt http://media.motortopia.com/files/7431/vehicle/469ade32c96d9/003.jpg

[IPD]

Fox bodies look good. They look better than the piece of trash 74-78 Mustang II's and the SN95 94-98's. They definitely look better than the 05+.

that's not actually saying much. kind of like saying a fuso is sportier than a sprinter. :p

i actually liked the 94-98's a bit better than the fox-bodies; even though they still suck. honestly, other than 1g's, i've had no respect for the brand until the 2011's came out.

p.s.

bluz, buick GNX > monte carlo > fox body.

[DocWalt]

Fox bodies are fugly. The only Mustang besides the first series (up to and including the Boss models) would be an 03-04 Cobra, or an '11.

[Alex3000gt]

http://i.imgur.com/Py9CV.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/WEqiZ.jpg




All kidding aside, I hope he doesn't rice it out and drives it responsibly.


Wow..

[sketch]

awesome bump 9/10 would read again.

[DK77]

LOL thanks Jeff