***NEW***GZP Belly Pan***

[Emilie@GZP]

We heard your cries for oil pan protection, and decided to take it a few steps farther :Clap:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5269.jpg

We are in the final stages of the prototype now, and will be road testing it over the weekend, pending weather conditions.

This will also be usable with your OEM underbelly plastics on ALL MODELS, and will bolt directly to the front cross members of ALL MODELS.

This mounts using all factory hardware, all bolts are recessed, and mount to your factory cross member mounting points.

There is also a removable access panel for easy oil changes.

This should be available in stainless steel, and aluminum (we are waiting on availability).

We do not have final pricing yet, but it should be around $200.

It is currently test-fitted on a 97 VR4, and will be road tested on a 91-93 VR4. We will be testing fitment on every make and model before it is sent out for final production next week.

These will be available to ship in roughly 3 weeks.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5262.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5272.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5265.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5264.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5278.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5279.jpg

[akotten]

How do you remove the cover to gain access to the oil pan?

[Emilie@GZP]

How do you remove the cover to gain access to the oil pan?

There will be quick release fittings so it is easily removed.

[-dLs-]

Does it work with an AA system isntalled and working or no?

-dLs-

[Emilie@GZP]

Does it work with an AA system isntalled and working or no?

-dLs-

Yes, it will. :)

[Lithium]

you guys should just go all out and make an entire front diffuser/ skid plate somewhat like Le mans cars.

[Emilie@GZP]

you guys should just go all out and make an entire front diffuser/ skid plate somewhat like Le mans cars.

We are already working on that :) It will be a 2 piece set-up. One piece front air dam/diffuser, and then the belly pan.

[mh3kgt]

Well, looks like I should get a few more deep sockets :p

[DanF]

Does it work with an AA system isntalled and working or no?

-dLs-
There are still working AA systems out there? ;)

[Emilie@GZP]

Well, looks like I should get a few more deep sockets :p

We had no issues with a 14mm deep chrome Snap-On socket. The final production should have enough clearance for an impact socket.

[mh3kgt]

We had no issues with a 14mm deep chrome Snap-On socket. The final production should have enough clearance for an impact socket.

Awesome! This "may" somewhat ease my paranoia of joining the Spun Bearing Club :suspect:

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

How much does that thing weigh? Also, how is that going to protect the oil pan from someone jacking up the engine by it? Isn't that how almost all of them get dented?

Looks like it'd be good for aerodynamics at least. Subscribed for final pics and price!

[Hans@GZP]

How much does that thing weigh? Also, how is that going to protect the oil pan from someone jacking up the engine by it? Isn't that how almost all of them get dented?

Looks like it'd be good for aerodynamics at least. Subscribed for final pics and price!

Ask Stealthee if this would have helped his oil pan and filter :lol:

I'll have to weigh this one, but this won't be the material the final product is made out of. This is just cold rolled steel to save on costs in case we screwed it up. Stainless and Aluminum should be a bit lighter.

It should also help on keeping your engine bay clean.

It won't help you if you use a dumbass mechanic. I do have an idea for that though that will be in the works next week.

[Lithium]

I want to see this said diffuser/ plate setup.....:w00t:

[Hans@GZP]

I'm waiting for some parts to come in so I can make it.

[Rom3BreaK]

Ballin'.

Excited to see the front diffuser as well!

[Amphiron]

I don't know how much ventalition the engine gets from underneath, but perhaps you could add some ducts to help bring some cool air into the bay? Seems like this would make the running temperature increase a bit.

[Lithium]

I don't know how much ventalition the engine gets from underneath, but perhaps you could add some ducts to help bring some cool air into the bay? Seems like this would make the running temperature increase a bit.

you would think it would increase bay temps but if designed correctly it helps decrease bay turbulence and actually cools much better. the ideal design would incorporate hood venting as well.

[Hans@GZP]

I don't know how much ventalition the engine gets from underneath, but perhaps you could add some ducts to help bring some cool air into the bay? Seems like this would make the running temperature increase a bit.

I'll be sure to take some temperature readings to see if it is necessary for ventilation with this belly pan.

I know I plan on running this pan with Cianci's Victory hood so I have a louvered hood to release any engine bay heat. But, we will definitely do some testing this weekend to see what effects it may have on the under hood temperatures.

[Chris GTO TT]

There are still working AA systems out there? ;)

Yes Mine :p

[TwIzTeD_3kGt]

Ask Stealthee if this would have helped his oil pan and filter :lol:

I'll have to weigh this one, but this won't be the material the final product is made out of. This is just cold rolled steel to save on costs in case we screwed it up. Stainless and Aluminum should be a bit lighter.

It should also help on keeping your engine bay clean.

It won't help you if you use a dumbass mechanic. I do have an idea for that though that will be in the works next week.

:lol: Is your idea going to provide a place to jack it from or a sign that says not to jack it by the pan?

I would have to vote Aluminum for the material, if it doesn't cost too much.

[Hans@GZP]

:lol: Is your idea going to provide a place to jack it from or a sign that says not to jack it by the pan?

I would have to vote Aluminum for the material, if it doesn't cost too much.

Maybe a sticker that says they are liable for potentially causing $5k worth of damage to save 5 minutes LOL.

Nah, it's a jacking point for the engine.

[green-lantern]

Pretty neat but I'm sure Colt can find it cheaper..........:lo5l:


Sorry could not help it......

[Rom3BreaK]

Yes Mine :p

And mine works too!

But sometimes the front doesn't like to go back up...

[EvanH]

Will this be able to be fitted on a first gen stealth? A lot of the products are being made for 1st gen 3000's and none of the love is for us. I have a 91 TT. And 3sx has not come out with the "other" models of the front diffuser. In for material and price too.

[Tiberius]

Looks very good so far. Just 2 remarks:
1. try welding some kind of structure on the pan where the front crossmember sits so one can use it as a jacking point. The crossmember itsself has something like that. You need somthing a jack can hold on to.
2. European GT's have a steel tin air duct bolted to the crossmember that guides an airstream towards the transaxle and TC. In case you haven't seen it yet it looks like this: http://www.magix-photos.com/permamedia?exportclassid=E8E2C5C000A311E083B0B3EC5 B42317E
The thinner left side guides air towards the TC, the wider right part guides air to the transaxle.
You should try to incorporate those ducts into the bellypan.

[Hans@GZP]

Will this be able to be fitted on a first gen stealth? A lot of the products are being made for 1st gen 3000's and none of the love is for us. I have a 91 TT. And 3sx has not come out with the "other" models of the front diffuser. In for material and price too.

The belly pan fits all years and models. I'm putting up a 1st gen on the lift today to check out making the front wind splitter. I'll let ya know how it works out.

[Hans@GZP]

Looks very good so far. Just 2 remarks:
1. try welding some kind of structure on the pan where the front crossmember sits so one can use it as a jacking point. The crossmember itsself has something like that. You need somthing a jack can hold on to.
2. European GT's have a steel tin air duct bolted to the crossmember that guides an airstream towards the transaxle and TC. In case you haven't seen it yet it looks like this: http://www.magix-photos.com/permamedia?exportclassid=E8E2C5C000A311E083B0B3EC5 B42317E
The thinner left side guides air towards the TC, the wider right part guides air to the transaxle.
You should try to incorporate those ducts into the bellypan.

That's interesting. You learn something new every day. I had never seen that. I'll see what we can do about adding additional cooling to the trans and t-case.

As for the jacking point... I had already thought about something to do for it. It may end up being optional because some people might not want that as a disruption to the aerodynamic function that this will have. You can always jack up from each side and use jack stands. It does sit right up against the factory jacking point in the front, so it would only need something on there that would grip the pad on the jack.

[Emilie@GZP]

Test fitment on a 92 R/T Twin Turbo, with factory underbody plastics.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5284.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5286.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d111/3Scar/GZP%20Belly%20Pan/IMG_5287.jpg

[green-lantern]

What about extending it out and making a splitter out of it? You could make them with and without AA.

[Emilie@GZP]

We are already working on that :) It will be a 2 piece set-up. One piece front air dam/diffuser, and then the belly pan.


What about extending it out and making a splitter out of it? You could make them with and without AA.

:poke:

[green-lantern]

:poke:

oops :redface:

Carry on! :D

[EvanH]

Will the finished product be able to do away with the underside plastics and let the fender well pieces in front of the wheel bolt to it? Or could you at least make it to do that?

[Emilie@GZP]

The belly pan in the first post will work WITH your stock underbody plastics, as well as the fender well plastics.

The front diffuser that we are making, will REPLACE the stock front underbody plastics, and will also work with the fender well plastics.

[Lithium]

Im looking forward to this diffuser and belly pan, My factory plastics were destroyed in an accident involving a huge feline last year.

[Emilie@GZP]

Stealth R/T front diffuser mock-up pictures coming shortly!! :)

[IPD]

here's my concerns:

1. increased engine bay temps--especially without vented hoods.

2. decreased airflow through-put to the intercoolers (especially FMIC's).

3. a combination of both.

now if this could be designed in such a way as to physically "suck" air out of the engine bay--facilitating a vacuum--then it is probably worth its weight in gold. this would be because air would practically be BEGGING to get into the FMIC to relieve negative pressure in the bay.

[Hans@GZP]

We're working on the front splitters which will probably make you realize what we are doing with the belly pan.

Plus, if you are getting additional air into the engine bay with no way of venting it (ie a vented hood), then you are creating positive pressure, not negative.

Once the snow clears, we'll have some temperature readings in the engine bay while cruising. I won't have any numbers for the 1G stealth front splitter until I get someone here that I can install it on and do some tests. Our shop 1G stealth isn't running right now.

[Emilie@GZP]

We're working on the front splitters which will probably make you realize what we are doing with the belly pan.

Plus, if you are getting additional air into the engine bay with no way of venting it (ie a vented hood), then you are creating positive pressure, not negative.

Once the snow clears, we'll have some temperature readings in the engine bay while cruising. I won't have any numbers for the 1G stealth front splitter until I get someone here that I can install it on and do some tests. Our shop 1G stealth isn't running right now.

:sulk:

[EvanH]

I know the general workings of splitters and such. Only thing I am not familiar with is if there is actually a way to do under body cowls or ducts to produce a venturi(correct use?) or draw of air flow, since the bottom of the car would have less flow to begin with since it is being forced over the top to create the down force.

[IPD]

^ and that's the crux of the issue right there. pulling air from the bay is a GOOD thing. at the same time, any increase in pressure on the underside of the car is a bad thing...

[Emilie@GZP]

I know the general workings of splitters and such. Only thing I am not familiar with is if there is actually a way to do under body cowls or ducts to produce a venturi(correct use?) or draw of air flow, since the bottom of the car would have less flow to begin with since it is being forced over the top to create the down force.

The splitter we are working on addresses this concern :) We will know more after some testing once the snow clears a bit.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Can't wait to see the splitter...:)

[stealthTT]

have you seen this? dont know who belongs, but something like this what I would like to get.
if you look this one has ducts for the brakes.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8671/reexposure20of20dsc0716.jpg


another thing. on my Cayenne, there an air duct that goes directly to to transfer case. I will take some pics, as the design is very simple.


Ilie

[Hans@GZP]

I'll see what I can do about adding some ducting in for the brakes. That's pretty cool. Thanks for the pic.

[stealthTT]

you are welcome.

I would add to this some NACA ducts also just near the rear of the engine - these might move more air in that area.
like these have:
http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Features/Billy-Johnsons-NSX-Time-Attack/IMG3049/706487180_ATR5F-L.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6379/34114x800.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/166/k04bellypan.jpg

this is the Cayenne air duct for the TC, older and newest model.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5064/bellypanwithnacaduct.jpg
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6215/2011porschecayennetwint.jpg


jst for not being a plane aluminium sheet and to be reinforced for using thinner material, I would add some stripes on it by bending the material.


Ilie

[YoshiBishi]

This looks pretty awesome. I have a weird driveway that I am afraid will hit my oil pan every time I pull in and out.

[Hans@GZP]

We're still finalizing the final product before sending it out to get reproduced. We should have it finalized by the end of the week with some front splitter options.

[Lithium]

We're still finalizing the final product before sending it out to get reproduced. We should have it finalized by the end of the week with some front splitter options.

I'm excited to see what you guys came up with.

[toddrs93]

We're still finalizing the final product before sending it out to get reproduced. We should have it finalized by the end of the week with some front splitter options.

Very nice, dammit I shoulda come up with that lol

[IPD]

Very nice, dammit I shoulda come up with that lol

why not make your own version? we have three fricking billet end caps for the our transmissions; why not this?

[toddrs93]

why not make your own version? we have three fricking billet end caps for the our transmissions; why not this?

ehh, I think thats kind of backdooring somebody when you do that

[vroom4]

Thats how every product I develop gets done. You take somebodies idea and you do it better. Heck, the best way to do it is even to buy their product and reverse engineer it.

[IPD]

ehh, I think thats kind of backdooring somebody when you do that

actually...i find that the end products each have separate merits. different strokes for different folks. variety makes it work better.

can you imagine if we only had one turbo supplier for this platform?

[Hans@GZP]

Watch out Seth, I think Garrett wants to backdoor ya so he can "reverse" engineer ya. I think that's a new position for the gheys.

[vroom4]

touche :Clap:

[toddrs93]

Watch out Seth, I think Garrett wants to backdoor ya so he can "reverse" engineer ya. I think that's a new position for the gheys.

I thought he looked at me kind of funny last time he was down here...

[Emilie@GZP]

I thought he looked at me kind of funny last time he was down here...

he thinks you got a perdy mouth....

[Hans@GZP]

touche :Clap:

The lines for your oil cooler were delayed because of inclement weather. Which is BS because we were here the whole day. Fedex sucks.

[DanF]

Beware those hobbits, they'll reverse-engineer you to death ;)

[MR2]

wooo very nice!

[Hans@GZP]

We would have had this tested already.... but this snow is killing us. We're getting hit by more on monday, so yea... we'll see when we can get this thing tested so we can get it in production.

[Nationalmilkman]

StealthTT- that picture you found of the under panels with the ducting is a PitRoadM product. They look great and fit their front bumper. That's what I think an undertray should be, looks good and it's functional.

[stealthTT]

StealthTT- that picture you found of the under panels with the ducting is a PitRoadM product. They look great and fit their front bumper. That's what I think an undertray should be, looks good and it's functional.

thanks. i've realised a few days ago :)

Ilie

[EvanH]

Bump for updates?

[Emilie@GZP]

We are finally just about thawed out, so, we will be installing and running it on a local test car most likely this week :)

[Mike-92RT]

bump update Emilie? :)

[Lithium]

yes update, I have a hole burning in my pocket.

[NOMIEZVR4]

wanna see pictures of that splitter...

[Hans@GZP]

We've been way too busy to get anymore work done on the project. If I can free up some time this weekend, I'll work on it. But right now it doesn't look promising. Maybe next week. I've just had too many guys calling out sick these past couple of weeks.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

you guys ever thinking of making some sub frame connectors?

[Hans@GZP]

Yes. We were actually talking about that last week.

[EvanH]

What are sub-frame connectors? And BUMP.

[Unknownvr4]

Subscibed

[MR2]

I love the idea of improving the body's aero, but doing it on the street driven car seems quite hard due to undulations in the road that you just don't get on a race track(mostly)

do people parking their cars accidently damage their defuses reversing?
front splitters hit road edges? or do you guys not have edges like we have here in Aus?

my only thought on making it work is to have this stuff deploy past a certain speed and have some ability to bend/retract if/when you hit a bump? but then you get even more complicated :|

[Nater3kgtVR4]

Any chance of this workling with the Skillard Front Splitter?

[Emilie@GZP]

I have not a clue. We have made no further progress with this since our last posting on it, and have no intentions of revisiting this anytime soon.

[terrets]

Laa lala. Lammeee. :)