No more National forum on 3SI?!

[Lori]

Seems as though 3SI has not only told me I'm not able to post about the NG or NG-related activities, but now they've taken away the National forum, too. The reason Nabeem originally gave me was that the NG is a for-profit event (I think my personal checkbook would prove otherwise), but we all know that's a buch of hooey.

So it looks like we need your help getting the word about the NG out there. It'll make it a bit more difficult to pull the necessary numbers to keep the NG going, but I have faith in all of you - you can do this!!

If everyone points just a few people in the direction of the huge announcement (http://www.3sgto.org/f2/ng11-announcement-no-hype-just-facts-3036.html), word is bound to spread. How about putting it in your 3si signatures?

[$$$PIT]

It's already been linked on Oklahoma3s and several of us had already been plannin' on coming. It'll be my first, but there are others that have gone for the last few years. So, we're hopin' to have a good number of OKIES show up.

[DrGonzo]

Thread has been set up on colorado3s.org also. I'll link one off on the carolina3s.org forum but people rarely visit it anymore.

[Hans@GZP]

When I talked to DPF on the phone a while ago, he said that he would allow the NG to advertise on 3si starting a few months before the date of the event. I'd try calling him up to see what's up.

I'll throw around the link as much as I can.

[Lori]

He'll allow us to advertise under several conditions that really won't work. I'll be talking to him in the near future. Last I heard, we could advertise in March or April as long as he's the one posting the stuff, which would get very messy and really that's too late for people to make their plans to be there. The guys at AF don't want us advertising because they think this is a for-profit event. It's a joke, really. They're denying people the information on the largest gathering in the world. Why do that to the membership? Makes no sense. But that's fine - we just need to find a way around it.

Thanks to everyone for helping us get the information out there! I've also gotten emails from chapters who are posting it for us, too. We're hoping for a HUGE turnout this year!

[CoreyB]

I think its funny that 3si is shooting itself in the foot. Imagine if you did get news coverage and there are 3SGTO labels but no Autoforums representation. Personaly I preffer they dont get involved.

[Maximal]

I've been trying for the last month to get 3SI to change my banner over there....I doubt you'll be able to get anything out of them for this.

[rdmelton]

Not that it really matters, but the forum does still exist: National - 3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f24/) (at least for now........)
but there's no link to it from the main forum page so it will get virtually no traffic...........

[DrGonzo]

So what is stopping us from posting the information up over there. Hell I'll throw one of my subdomains up as the link and just have it redirect to either here or the NG website.

......Or I could just built a page that pulls one of he NG sites into an iframe so it looks like my site but is really the NG site!

[IPD]

posted on florida3s.com. *crosses fingers*

[sixsixfour]

Frequent Facebook links will help too! Since so many 3S people are on it :) I can post up several times throughout the year!

[Lori]

Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone!! We REALLY want to get the word out there!

[Hans@GZP]

Frequent Facebook links will help too! Since so many 3S people are on it :) I can post up several times throughout the year!

Yup, look how many views our new products get on this site. That's because we nail facebook with links to it :)

[dpfsharkbait]

I've called Lori, I've called Alan, and I have pm'd... all with no response. This cannot be resolved without communication.
David

[Lori]

I noticed that you called tonight while I was sleeping after having put in more than 100 hours at work in the last 10 days. I didn't think you'd appreciate me returning your call at almost midnight when I received the message. So now you claim it's without response? It's been less than three hours since you left the message, and was about 2 hours when you posted this. Are you trying to make it look as though I don't return your phone calls? You've called exactly once that hasn't been returned. And, for the record, I've received no PM's on either site - I just checked. And yet it sounds as though you're accusing me of not responding to those either.

[Alan92RTTT]

I've called Lori, I've called Alan, and I have pm'd... all with no response. This cannot be resolved without communication.
David

I think Lori covered the phone call thing.

You call this a PM.

one of you two should answer your phones--- I am trying to get the ng back on 3si... but can't get either you or Lori to respond
Thanks
David

Maybe if you left a voicemail, send a PM or email with some content of what you wanted to talk about you'd have gotten a reply.

But then again you don't like to use PM's or email. You just want to call and expect us to drop what ever were doing and answer. Its as if you think your calls are so fucking important as to be answered regardless of what the person on the other end may be doing.


And why are you calling/PM'ing me about NG stuff anyway? You've been told you have to talk to Lori.

[IPD]

...just a note, this guy is a mod over at 3si. just in case anyone wasn't paying attention. keep that in the back of your mind as you read this thread.

please continue.

[Lori]

...just a note, this guy is a mod over at 3si. just in case anyone wasn't paying attention. keep that in the back of your mind as you read this thread.

please continue.

What does that have to do with anything?

[beepbeep]

What does that have to do with anything?

Has relevance for why he would post what he did regarding trying to contact you and Alan. Some folks may not know. It at least gives the appearance of an attempt at cooperation.

/devil advocate

[Lori]

And now David closed a thread over there claiming that he tried to call us but we "have chosen not to respond." He posted that 30 minutes after trying to call us, and acts as though it's a personal decision to avoid his phone calls or something. You don't suppose we may have been BUSY, do you? Or that we didn't have our phones with us? Or even that it was late on a Sunday night and we didn't want to answer a phone? Come on. This is getting ridiculous.

We've been treated like shit during this whole thing. It's their membership that's suffering. I've been insulted (LW claimed I was sending spam emails), I've been accused of refusing to put the info up on the other site to keep it here and draw hits for Alan, I've been promised that if I could get this forum to stop bashing the other then they'd allow NG stuff (which I did, then was told "oops... AF won't cooperate" in not-so-many words), I've been accused of making a profit on this event (want to see the big red numbers in my checkbook from money I loaned to the NG personally? Or maybe you want to see the cost to my other business for me to be gone for two weeks to finish this thing and run it?)... This is ridiculous. Why in the world do I continue to put up with this??? I've had enough now.

[FeaRpb]

Sounds like typical David.

[CoreyB]

I really think the vast majority of 3S owners already know where to go to get their NG info.

[Lori]

I've just had enough of the insults, trying to make me look bad, accusations, all of that. Enough is enough. I've been jumping through hoops over this 3si thing, and I'm just done. I don't have the time or the energy, and, frankly, they're not worth it to me.

[green-lantern]

I really think the vast majority of 3S owners already know where to go to get their NG info.

I agree, people who go know where to find the info.

[green-lantern]

BTW, I think it would be very cool if all of the vendors would put up a banner on their home page. That's how I got into the community. I went to the Charlotte gathering before I was even on the other site.

[dbest671]

Lori, I don't *think* David was trying to be an asshole, although you may have perceived it like that. He only closed that thread because he didn't have the answers to the questions members were asking. He said he would reopen it once he got in contact with you.

I understand everybody frustration with getting the information out for NG, as I share that same frustration. We are trying to find some common ground to be able to have NG information on 3si, after all this is for the platform. I hate the fact that some view it as a 3si vs 3sgto... and I not talking about Lori or Alan.

April

[Emilie@GZP]

BTW, I think it would be very cool if all of the vendors would put up a banner on their home page. That's how I got into the community. I went to the Charlotte gathering before I was even on the other site.

If someone wants to put together a "Proud Sponsor of 3SNG 2011" banner or something like that, I'll absolutely put it up on both of our sites :)

[DrGonzo]

Yeah if you guys post up a banner and a link "Assuming it is something different than http://www.3sng.org/" I will put it into the banner rotation on the Colorado3s and Carolina3s forums.

I have been keeping an eye out for one to grab but I have not found the official banner yet.

[Alan92RTTT]

We don't have an "official one yet. Their is a place holder image that was created. I need to get that uploaded to the NG site.

[green-lantern]

Cty makes good banners, or Sean Johnson has made some cool ones in the past for BRG.

[IPD]

What does that have to do with anything?

because his actions speak volumes for why people have left, are leaving, and will continue to leave 3si. no need to disparage the old site; it's doing a bang-up job of that without any help.

[Lori]

Ok, thank you for the clarification. I wasn't understanding....

April, one of the reasons they've cited for not allowing us to post is because we're a "for-profit" event, which is not even close to the truth. In fact, the NG is still running in the red due to funds owed to both Peggy and myself for years past. We've written off that debt, but it technically still exists. Isn't it interesting that you, among others, have brought up that we're not legally a non-profit, either..... Neither are BRG, WCNC, ECG, or Midwest Gathering. Why are they allowed to post about their events but we aren't? I'm curious as to the answer.

I've also been approached about removing 3SGTO as a sponsor then 3SI will talk to us. That's kind of impossible, since 3SGTO sponsored with cold, hard cash. Wouldn't what they're doing be similar to one of our other sponsors saying that they wouldn't mention the event on their website or sponsor if a competitor was sponsoring? I mean, c'mon... This is getting ridiculous.

I've just had enough. Why does 3SI think it's so special as to garner this amount of time and energy from me just so we can post about it? And to insult me right and left? I've said it before and I'll say it again... I DO NOT and WILL NOT own 3SGTO. My husband DOES NOT AND WILL NOT own my retail business. And he DOES NOT run the NG anymore than he owns my retail business. He works for me at both places. That's it. We keep it separate for many, many reasons, and would appreciate people not thinking we're one in the same. We're married, that doesn't make us the same person. Those who know us definitely know that. We have a great marriage and we keep it that way by separating our businesses and by making sure we know that on 3SGTO, I have zero control. I'm not a mod, I'm not an admin, I obey all the same rules everyone else does. The same goes for him in my businesses, which include the NG.

[Alan92RTTT]

:GroupHug:

[IPD]

lori is a saint.

/thread.

[beepbeep]

:GroupHug:

suck up



I keed I keed



:suspect:

[dpfsharkbait]

But still no return call... There can be no common ground without communication. Any time is fine until about midnight.
Thanks

David

[dpfsharkbait]

Maybe if you left a voicemail, send a PM or email with some content of what you wanted to talk about you'd have gotten a reply.

But then again you don't like to use PM's or email. You just want to call and expect us to drop what ever were doing and answer. Its as if you think your calls are so fucking important as to be answered regardless of what the person on the other end may be doing.


And why are you calling/PM'ing me about NG stuff anyway? You've been told you have to talk to Lori.

I pm'd you at 10:11 pm, since you were on this forum at the time. You seem to have read the pm and logged off.
I did try to talk to Lori, as you know.
As for "who to talk to" regarding the ng, it's getting gray. If the NG e-mail list was used to create this forum, then there is an obvious link.
If there is no link, where did the e-mail list come from?
Since you live together, and I called both of you, the idea that I have not made any attempt is ludicrous.

Let's see how long your "don't delete posts" policy lasts
Thanks
David

[Alan92RTTT]

David, you really missed your calling as politician.

At 10:11 I was watching top gear and nowhere near my computer or my phone.

[IPD]

fyi, just because it says someone is "online" doesn't mean jack squat. all it means is that you haven't logged out.

[CoreyB]

I pm'd you at 10:11 pm, since you were on this forum at the time. You seem to have read the pm and logged off.
I did try to talk to Lori, as you know.
As for "who to talk to" regarding the ng, it's getting gray. If the NG e-mail list was used to create this forum, then there is an obvious link.
If there is no link, where did the e-mail list come from?
Since you live together, and I called both of you, the idea that I have not made any attempt is ludicrous.

Let's see how long your "don't delete posts" policy lasts
Thanks
David

Alan you better hurry up and delete this or..........well I have no frigging clue why you would.


This isn't 3si where mods are afraid they might look bad if they don't censor threads. Alan has our respect. You should hang around this forum for awhile and see why.

[IPD]

but he won't, because 3si is where david has power. nuff said.

[green-lantern]

Alan you better hurry up and delete this or..........well I have no frigging clue why you would.


This isn't 3si where mods are afraid they might look bad if they don't censor threads. Alan has our respect. You should hang around this forum for awhile and see why.

I didn't know Alan had that policy. :lo5l: But yeah Alan needs to delete your post now because you quoted him.

[dpfsharkbait]

Alan you better hurry up and delete this or..........well I have no frigging clue why you would.


This isn't 3si where mods are afraid they might look bad if they don't censor threads. Alan has our respect. You should hang around this forum for awhile and see why.

Alan has my respect as well...That is why I was a mod for him for seven years or so. We are not enemies, even tho the members want that to be the case.

[CoreyB]

I for one don't want that to be the case. But the site you mod doesn't even allow this site to be mentioned. Makes it appear that you are enemys even if your not.

So when are you going to allow a link to the biggest 3s gathering in the world? Just trying to stay on topic.

[VR4's-kick-ass]

sorry to hear about all the difficulties lori.

[Lori]

But still no return call... There can be no common ground without communication. Any time is fine until about midnight.
Thanks

David

This may come as a surprise to you, but I'm considering returning your call when it's convenient. You see, when you own your own retail business, with long hours and a schedule, there isn't a lot of time to return phone calls on someone else's schedule. And I am NOT dealing with this late at night (i.e. close to midnight). I've had enough of people today. I'm tired. I'm working a bazillion hours right now, and frankly AutoForums and 3SI just aren't on my list of priorities... Don't get me wrong - I care about the people there, but I'm not willing to jump through hoops or beg or crawl to make AF happy. Keep trying to make it look like I'm refusing to "communicate," and I won't bother calling back at all. This is getting intensely annoying and I just want to be done with the whole thing. It's really quite pointless.

[green-lantern]

This may come as a surprise to you, but I'm considering returning your call when it's convenient. You see, when you own your own retail business, with long hours and a schedule, there isn't a lot of time to return phone calls on someone else's schedule. And I am NOT dealing with this late at night (i.e. close to midnight). I've had enough of people today. I'm tired. I'm working a bazillion hours right now, and frankly AutoForums and 3SI just aren't on my list of priorities... Don't get me wrong - I care about the people there, but I'm not willing to jump through hoops or beg or crawl to make AF happy. Keep trying to make it look like I'm refusing to "communicate," and I won't bother calling back at all. This is getting intensely annoying and I just want to be done with the whole thing. It's really quite pointless.

Lori please don't let things get to you. It's all good! Call David when you can or not at all. Your doing a great job with things, I just don't want to see you get all stressed out about this. This NG will be the best ever.

[IPD]

does "david" even own a 3/s? if he does, he's certainly not acting like a passionate owner about it.

[Certifried]

I, for one, am very excited about the NG! Being fairly new to the 3/S platform, I didn't have any problems finding the information I needed about it.

[dpfsharkbait]

does "david" even own a 3/s? if he does, he's certainly not acting like a passionate owner about it.

91 rttt- 47k miles, about 30k in mods

[Granny]

Lori please don't let things get to you. It's all good! Call David when you can or not at all. Your doing a great job with things, I just don't want to see you get all stressed out about this. This NG will be the best ever.

^ This...There are those that matter and those that don't.
Those of us that matter know what a wonderful job the NG committee does and those that don't...well...they are just stupid.

[Lori]

Thanks for the support, everyone. I think you deserve to be updated with the latest information on this....

Mike (Audible) has attempted to get in the middle and find a common ground in this. He did a great job, but 3SI's demands are, of course, ever-changing and unreasonable. They now want us to remove 3SGTO from the banner ad and also from the home page of the NG website. I understand the latter half. However, 3SGTO is a paid sponsor and WILL NOT be removed from the banner. Beyond that, why the hell do they care who's on my banner when they've already told me that a banner ad is completely out of the question without a paid sponsorship??? Without these two concessions, there is no agreement. Of course, I was also told originally that all I had to do was get everyone here to stop bashing 3SI and there would be no problem with me posting... I did that, settled everyone down, and a month later was told, "Oops... AF has decided not to comply with that..." It was, of course, David who made that agreement with me.

As I'm sure you've figured out, I won't be returning David's phone call. I see no need to hear more empty promises or more unreasonable demands. Coop is also trying to work something out for us, so we'll see what he comes up with. Maybe he'll have more success than I do. At this point, though, it appears that 3SI won't be allowing us to post over there about it. We all know what this is really about, right? No matter how many concessions I make (they'll call it a compromise, but I don't see them giving us anything in return other than the right to post, which all other gatherings have already), they'll come up with something else they need. Frankly, I'm out of time on this. I have too much to do for the event, so I'm going to need everyone here to step up and help us get the word out about this event.

[stealthee]

Screw them. Let that site fail. More people will start coming here and more people will stop going there. I told you all when I first left that David was an egomaniacal, immature, jackass and some people doubted me. Now they see his true colors in this thread alone.

AF began to dig their own grave with their treatment of the situation when Alan started 3sgto. They knew they would be losing revenue and tried to do anything they could to quell it. All they did was make it worse on themselves.

[tazman]

I, for one, am very excited about the NG! Being fairly new to the 3/S platform, I didn't have any problems finding the information I needed about it.

^^^ One of the most sensible posts. If someone really wants information about it, it can be found!

[IPD]

i'll take lori's post as final proof that AF has NONE of the interests of platform owners and membership in its heart. it is truly sad that profiteering comes before community--and that there will be at least a few individuals who will not get to come to the NG (even local ones) because they didn't find out about it.

AF still wishes to insist that no other forums exist--enforceable by word-censorship and kick/bans on their own forum. sad. truly sad.

[green-lantern]

AF began to dig their own grave with their treatment of the situation when Alan started 3sgto. They knew they would be losing revenue and tried to do anything they could to quell it. All they did was make it worse on themselves.

I had no intention to quit posting on 3si until the way they handled the situation.

What about the NG banner? Would be nice if the vendors had a banner they could put on their home page. One that would take them to the NG site.

[CoopKill]

Info in me sig over dar!

[stealthee]

I had no intention to quit posting on 3si until the way they handled the situation.

What about the NG banner? Would be nice if the vendors had a banner they could put on their home page. One that would take them to the NG site.

Nor did I. I was going to continue posting there, just less. Then they started the shit slinging, banning, and outright lies so I bid my farewell.

[IPD]

how's things going, lori?

you were a saint for even trying to reason with 3si in the first place. it's like trying to negotiate with palestinians--it just won't work.

[Emilie@GZP]

91 rttt- 47k miles, about 30k in mods

you have a 25 spline in that thing?

[mb7050]

I really think the vast majority of 3S owners already know where to go to get their NG info.

3si still gets new members (3s owners) everyday and tons of trafic . NG info belongs there .