Rally Coilovers! Anyone?

[MR2]

well, I've popped some Tein Flex coil-overs on my car and well they are pretty bad...I've played with the dampening rates and nothing seems to really help...SO

I'm looking around for something with considerable more travel, I'm not sure what the stock travel is but it'd have to be 3-4 times that of what the flex have which by way of shocks pretty much puts me straight into rally territory.

anyone played around with shocks of this level? Ksport have some that look like they'd be interesting to "try"

http://www.statracing.com/buy/ksport/pn/cmt191-gt.asp

Spring rates: 504 lb Front(9kg ish) and 392 lb Rear (7kg)

Stock Tein flex are 12kg front and 5kg rear

Tein flex's are ment to have a total travel of what...4" maximum? :| not goooood enough.

[deemo99]

1G dsm suspension is not drastically different in front from the 3S setup. You may want to try Drummond Motor Sports (DMS). When I had rally dreams for my dsm's they were on my list as you see them on many SCCA rally cars and were very popular on the dsm's that rally.

[skater334]

Yeah I own a set and I love them. Just set the ride height to where you it unless you use the EDFC unit.

[2fnloud]

Yeah I own a set and I love them. Just set the ride height to where you it unless you use the EDFC unit.

To my knowledge, the EDFC doesn't control ride height.

[x2percentmilk]

D2 makes rally coilovers for our cars, i think its pricey though.
edit: ~2 grand, also no clue on travel or quality

[MR2]

yeah the Ksport are pretty much the same shit as D2....I'm currently asking them quite a few questions ;)

[Tiberius]

Good luck with that. D2 and KSport are both the same Chinaware. A fellow German 3s driver works as engineer in China and managed to find out where they are actually made.
He's been in China for almost 15 years now and he sais he'd never put a chinese made suspension on his car.

[MR2]

well, for 1K (that I've found the AR series for) they'd have paid them selves off if they last even a year.

[Austin@STM]

I ran the drag D2's this year with a custom spring rate and never had an issue with travel even with the car slammed, i never bottomed out the suspension.

We've used them in a bunch of cars and yes they are all the same company but they all work, we've never had an issue with any of them.

[BjornRune]

http://www.ohlins.com/
Custom made to and for your vehicle, but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
What about KW v3?

[MR2]

problem I have is our roads...lots of dips and pot holes and 2" lips on driveways....really bad road repairs, I tried driving over some road like this at 100kmh and I swear the car almost jumped off the road (as in bounced high off the road :p)

[mb7050]

I would too like to find coilovers with enough travel .

I know what you mean teins are horrible any model so bumpy

[GTO Assassin]

I know what you mean teins are horrible any model so bumpy

Sounds like you ladies need me to call the waaaaaambulance! :p If you want a cushy saloon, buy one. I will gladly take your bottom busters of your hands. ;)

Scotty

[MR2]

my problem is I want to go faster without the car bottoming out..that's not possible even with the teins at stock suspension height. and I can't go with 19" rims with 40 profile rubber and keep the stock struts.....so here I am.

[GTOJOE]

I'll swap you my stock ECS struts and Kings springs ultra lows for your teins.

[mb7050]

Thats half the case, I do want some comfort but these coilovers are almost not driveable if the road isnt smooth enought . if speed is conserned and it is I dont like to drive well under the speed limit teins cant absorb bumps and teins simply bottom out and then lift off the ground and I´m allover the road this doesnt happen with stock ecs suspension .

[skater334]

Thats half the case, I do want some comfort but these coilovers are almost not driveable if the road isnt smooth enought . if speed is conserned and it is I dont like to drive well under the speed limit teins cant absorb bumps and teins simply bottom out and then lift off the ground and I´m allover the road this doesnt happen with stock ecs suspension .

Lol, so don't hit the potholes. that's good defensive driving. I have and love them. I avoid huge bumps and normally do 80 on the freeway w/ ease. Just keep driving and you'll figure it out.

[mb7050]

no potholes here its frost in the ground that lift the ground and create bumps and I dont mean speed bumps or potholes etc.. Freeways dont have this problem .

[MR2]

I once had a guy throw an orange at my car when he thought I was being an idiot (was just avoiding the holes)

[Unknownvr4]

Good luck with that. D2 and KSport are both the same Chinaware. A fellow German 3s driver works as engineer in China and managed to find out where they are actually made.
He's been in China for almost 15 years now and he sais he'd never put a chinese made suspension on his car.

No..

Just no.

I cant believe the amount of dumbness being posted on this site recently.

Between Steve and a few other people, they manage to keep me off this site unless i have to buy or sell something

[MR2]

Lol, so don't hit the potholes. that's good defensive driving. I have and love them. I avoid huge bumps and normally do 80 on the freeway w/ ease. Just keep driving and you'll figure it out.

this does not work when your following other cars or going up driveways/over bumps that span the entire section of road or going around a hairpin at speed....carpark speed bumps (at speed)

Really we have a problem and need to find a solution..so if anyone is running non-stock long travel suspension feel free to post it up!

[stealthTT]

I feel your pain. I have the same TEIN COILOVERs and same bumpy roads, even worst I think. sometimes, I try not to hit the roof with my head :)
The adjustment doesnt help at all. i wonder how it would feel after changing the wheels with the new 19" volks and a lighter car.

anyway, I've seen that on the Porsche forums many peoples are runing the KW V3 and they use them on race purpose and also for road driving, and they are many.
also what I've read about them on our cars, is that it will get the smothest ride out of all. and all of that because of the Bound/Rebound adjustments capabilities- like on some motorcicles. the TEIN are just Bound.
with all the money invested in your car I wouldnt go with these D2 or KSport.

[MR2]

yeah, I've decided against the Ksports, Tein do do rally coil overs...I wonder if they could be adapted with lower spring rates and adjusted valving

[Unknownvr4]

I wouldnt go with these D2 or KSport.

And why not.. My car is going on at least year 4 with the ksports (probably year 5 or6 because the owner befor installed them) and they're all the original ones. No leaks, none blown, no sagging..and my car is slammed as much as it could be without rolled fenders turn all the way up to the hardest setting

[mb7050]

yeah, I've decided against the Ksports, Tein do do rally coil overs...I wonder if they could be adapted with lower spring rates and adjusted valving

could be done but your are looking at +10k, I have been told öhlins are the way to go for reasonable money +3500 .

[MR2]

wow, ohlins are the cheap option...never thought I'd hear that!

anyone been able to get a solid number on the total amount of travel the stock shocks have?

[mb7050]

not cheap but somewhat reasonable i forgot to mention I´m talking about street model öhlins coilovers, rally coilovers will cost a lot more the thing is öhlins are hard to find since they are based on the pcv design shocks that are now discontinued still waiting to get specs and I would really like the new dfc shocks that I have heard are ultra smooth. you know mitsubishi used öhlins on its own WRC cars :)
then again they are nothing like rally coilovers they are street model coilovers.

-OHLINS PCV Coilver set
http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_027/autostaf/11154633.jpg


I think any coilover is possible with 3s since I have seen cars imported from japan with many different coilovers just to name few that I remember :
ARAGOSTA Coilover set
BILSTEIN Coilover
BILSTEIN Strut & Shock set
Buddy Club Racing Spec Coilover

[MR2]

Hate to say it but even those look shorter than stock travel, hows this for a rofl, I gave the car a good beating, and on a fairly normal road the car managed to bounce off a bump so hard the front ACTUALLY lifted off the ground...you can tell becouse when it does the steering becomes as light as hell (I've had the car airborne a few times) :|

[mb7050]

car managed to bounce off a bump so hard the front ACTUALLY lifted off the ground...you can tell becouse when it does the steering becomes as light as hell (I've had the car airborne a few times) :|

been there done that unintentially it sucks.

[MR2]

for Coil-overs to be legal in australia the lower part of the shock can not be adjustable, so to workout exactly what height I want the car at I need to measure the distance from mount to the upper post... if I can I'll see if I can measure where the upper limit of the tire is and see if we can get a spring perch that's higher (make it nice and easy to clear the suspension)

Ksport came back about the GR(Gravel Rally) range of coil overs, the spring rates are 6kg for the front and 5kg for the rear. shame the quality control isn't there :|

[MR2]

well, it's official, the Teins are GOING, I went around a corner last night, hit a bump and BOING the car was lifted of the road and lost traction for long enough for the car to end up in the gravel ~half a foot from the guard rail (armco) before I managed to pull it back...I was ONLY saved by the fact that it was an S bend and managed to nurse it around the initial curve.

[2fnloud]

what about these KSports? (http://www.coolcarpartsonline.com/coilovers-ksport-rally-spec-ar-dampers-c-1_132_133_324/dodge-stealth-91-99-ksport-rally-spec-ar-damper-coilovers-system-set-of-4)

[GTOJOE]

Not legal in Australia cus the lower mounting section is not fixed. Ie it can be adjusted. Stupid rule really. As far as we know the only road legal coilovers in this country are Tein. But there are so many imports around riding on coilovers so I don't think the cops now what's legal or not or they just don't care.

[MR2]

I've given up worrying about the legality at this stage, apparently pedders do rally coil overs so when I'm next feeling flush I'll be talking to them.

[HLxDrummer]

How about throwing on some springs/stock struts with aftermarket sways?

[MR2]

Hmmm, not sure dude...going to talk to some experts and see where we get...some sort of cruising and bashing switch would be nice

[GTOJOE]

ECS? my last car [Mazda MX-6 GT Turbo] had ECS [or whatever Mazda called it] and it was great. Just left it on "sport" the whole time except over speed bumps and in car parks. It made a noticable difference. On sport over a speed bump it would be quite harsh then on "soft" it would just float over without any harshness. The ECS on the GTO is disabled. Has been since I got the car.

[MR2]

on another project I'm working on to fit wider tyres, I swaped the rear 6kg coils to the front to replace the front's 12kg coils...


and here is the 6kg springs from the rear set of shocks:

http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/teins/DSC00326.JPG

They are actually coiled 4mm thinner...does not make them fit on the front shocks so well...showing stock front vs rear coil:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/teins/DSC00327.JPG

and this shot shows the TOTAL travel compressing that the teins have...pretty shit...I'd say somewhere around 2-3" maximum (once you talk droop + the top hat that sits over the shaft...)
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/teins/DSC00328.JPG

what it looks like on
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/teins/DSC00329.JPG

and showing that the 6kg coil can not hold the front of the car's weight at ALL and as such the car just sits on the bump stops (1-1.5" down the full shock travel)
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/teins/DSC00330.JPG

Fucking YAY.


Soo definitly need to get some rally shocks...4-6inch of travel is a MINIMUM that I'd expect for any road car.

[mb7050]

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=%28GTO%29&fr=auc-prop&rkf=1&auccat=2084005257&s1=cbids&o1=d&apg=1&f=0x4&mode=2&slider=0&tab_ex=commerce&ei=UTF-8&xargs=0&pstart=1&b=1 <------weird stuff from time to time

interesting
GTO Z15 Z16 (http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g92318462)
¥¢¥é¥´¥¹¥¿¡¡¼Ö¹âÄ´¡¡£Ç£Ô£Ï¡¡Z15A¡¡Z16AÍÑ¡¡ - Yahoo!¥ª¡¼¥¯¥·¥ç¥ó (http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w59417306)
http://img389.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/9/3/0/ono9936-img600x424-1290757682w2i0jt75994.jpg
http://img389.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/6/9/3/0/ono9936-img600x424-1290757681x2may775994.jpg
i have been told these aragosta coilovrs are prety good .

http://www.tpl.co.jp/aragosta/
http://www.pitroadm.com/PitroadM-HP-E/newframe3.htm

[MR2]

Total Travel? spring rates?

[mb7050]

there are many different models spring rates and travel veries a lot.

[MR2]

got anywhere they list the actual figures?

[MR2]

http://www.performancesuspension.com.au/catalogue/Gravel_Rally_Config.pdf

http://www.performancesuspension.com.au/catalogue/Gravel_Rally.pdf

anyone heard for XYZ before?

[mb7050]

any idea why they say their gravel rally series shocks are not suitable for road or tarmac rally use ?

[mb7050]

usually you can use gravel suspension on tarmac too..

[MR2]

nup, but I'm shooting them an email to ask the big questions....price is 800 pound...so what? $1400 aud?

[mb7050]

the ones pictured come with Ｆ１６ｋ・Ｒ８ｋ spring rates but pitroad m lists the same set as Ｆ10～20ｋｇ／ｍｍ　正立式
　Ｒ7～16ｋｇ／ｍｍ

[mb7050]

nup, but I'm shooting them an email to ask the big questions....price is 800 pound...so what? $1400 aud?

i think thats only front shocks and rears are 600 something.. ?

[MR2]

DODGE STEALTH (4WD) ( 92-96 ) Gravel Rally Coilover Kit (http://www.xyz-auto.co.uk/products/Gravel-Rally-Coilover-Kit-%3A-DODGE-STEALTH-%284WD%29-%3A-92%252d96.html)

[mb7050]

nvrmind i noticed they have tarmac model coilovers for 679..
MITSUBISHI 3000GT (4WD) ( 91-99 ) Gravel Rally Coilover Kit (http://www.xyz-auto.co.uk/products/Gravel-Rally-Coilover-Kit-%3A-MITSUBISHI-3000GT-%284WD%29-%3A-91%252d99.html)

[MR2]

I don't like the top mounts though.... as I will probably need to pull the strut tops in to clear the rims/tyres...will be asking for aluminium tops if possible.

[mb7050]

the aragostas cost +4500usd new kinda expensive

[MR2]

no offence but the design of them does not make me believe they'll work to much magic either.

[mb7050]

I have been told these(aragostas) are slightly better than öhlins pcv street coilovers

[mb7050]

did some quick search on those xyz coilovers and it seems they are made in taiwan and some say those are very similar to k sports

[MR2]

hmmm ok, figured with a brand name like that. will see what we come back with on travel and spring rates etc

[MR2]

K-Sport Gravel Spec Coilover Suspension Review - NASIOC (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1211484)


a very very interesting read.

[mb7050]

well, k sports are not for me :).

I think I´m going to try bilstein struts. tein S tech springs for front and H tech springs for rear .
Front: 4.2 kg/mm / 235 lbs/in
Rear: 2.6 kg/mm / 145 lbs/in

and bilstein front struts have double the travel vs tein flexes, almost full 8inches :)

[MR2]

yeah I'd like to avoid the Ksport...but I've not seen many positive review of any of their suspension :p wonder if the guy was paid!

wow 8"? these are bilstein coil overs? or stock replacement?

[mb7050]

bilsteins are inserts .
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2238/struthowtocompletestrut.jpg

[DG]

*sigh*

There is a Bilstein fitment for these cars....

DG

[DocWalt]

The only Bilstein fitment on for a 3S on Bilstein's site is an insert for the front strut. The rear looks like a mostly bolt on replacement (IIRC, it needs the low bushing or part of the lower bushing from the old strut) which is still worth the effort. There's only a few coilovers I'd even consider for a 3S, and they're most certainly not TEINs. TEINs are trash, they corrode, they bend, and they most likely all have crappy damping with poor spring rates out of the box. It sucks you figure that out the hard way. :(

DG, can you write up a simple guide as a separate thread or page on your site with how to make bolt on Ohlins? I think it would help out those that don't have the experience. I read your post in a thread about it, but it's much easier to find as a separate thread / page. Thanks :)

Anyone wanna give me a ride in a car on Ohlins? :D

[mb7050]

I would take bilstein coilovers over öhlins but thats just me.

[MR2]

oh.

oh well!

[skater334]

To my knowledge, the EDFC doesn't control ride height.

It controls the damper, which lets you raise or lower the car without getting out and using the little hex on the top or taking off your wheels and adjusting the things you need the tools for (sry don't remember their names).

[AgentOblivious]

Holy crap DG just noticed you went from Contiextremecontacts to DWS too! lol. I got those 255s though :P

Back on topic.

[MR2]

controlling the dampener in no way controls height...

DG's site is crazy...sucks how it's so hard to get something that JUST WORKS! omfg

btw DG, you should keep testing shocks for us :p

I've seen the prices of the Pensky's and they are crazy expensive :|

so, DG..got a brand of Coil overs that you would recommend...preferably under 2K :p

[mb7050]

It controls the damper, which lets you raise or lower the car without getting out and using the little hex on the top or taking off your wheels and adjusting the things you need the tools for (sry don't remember their names).

The EDFC is a Electronic Damping Force Controller and its caveman technology compared to stock ECS suspension, in short words; worthless piece of shit .

[2fnloud]

So which one is poo over the other?

[mb7050]

tein edfc is poo stock ecs is cool

[MR2]

Just to keep this up to date...I'm probably going to try the XYZ Gravel Coilovers...not expecting much so we'll see.

they want 2K AUD for them...working on improving that.
They are 6kg front and 5kg rear
85cm outer diameter (so I can compare them to my Teins and see if I loose any tyre space)
front travel is 170mm rear 125mm
looking at a slightly stronger set of sways...will see how I go down the track (prob a month before I get the shocks)

[mb7050]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7849/nimetnac.jpg
but thats just me

[i3igpete]

you're on the fence about made in taiwan?

[GTOJOE]

he is steering clear of made in taiwan products.

[MR2]

well, there are no better options for less than 4K.... (proflex etc) and I'm pretty sure I can get these in my hands for 1.5K AUD.

[MR2]

Photo's the Distro sent over.

http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/XYZ/1%20photo3.jpg
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/XYZ/1%20photo5.jpg

I have asked for more info on the top plates (the HAVE to be adjustable)

[MR2]

this is how the teins feel like they handle at 11:50


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF_kUbqDwNA&feature=related

I will be ordering the new shocks in 2 weeks :D

[MR2]

OK, new news. I have found the purrrrfect solution, and it does not involve a Ksport rebadged shock sold as XYZ!!!

Back over in the Ultimate Handling thread it was revealed that Phillip from Supercar Engineering (awesome guy, Awesome shop) has made some plates to hook into the GTO/3K to give you access to EVO coilovers!! so I'm straight off the all the rally shops, and the guys fairly near me (DMS) have a shock made straight for the GTO, AND it's street legal...AND 170mm of travel...AND progressive springs, they are $3.4K....going to order them on friday SO HAPPY.


will let you know how they go, of other news, it seems that there are 2 or 3 other GTO's in australia running them including one in albury NSW....we need to find these people!!!!

[GTOJOE]

I WANT!!!!!!!.... but too expensive.... If I buy them then I can't buy my exhaust and intercooler :sad:

[DocWalt]

OK, new news. I have found the purrrrfect solution, and it does not involve a Ksport rebadged shock sold as XYZ!!!

Back over in the Ultimate Handling thread it was revealed that Phillip from Supercar Engineering (awesome guy, Awesome shop) has made some plates to hook into the GTO/3K to give you access to EVO coilovers!! so I'm straight off the all the rally shops, and the guys fairly near me (DMS) have a shock made straight for the GTO, AND it's street legal...AND 170mm of travel...AND progressive springs, they are $3.4K....going to order them on friday SO HAPPY.


will let you know how they go, of other news, it seems that there are 2 or 3 other GTO's in australia running them including one in albury NSW....we need to find these people!!!!

Finally. Took him forever to release those, lol.

[2fnloud]

Finally. Took him forever to release those, lol.

Maybe he needed to be sure they where a solid product....Didn't he also put a sequential shifter in his 6-speed 3S?

[MR2]

I'm trying to workout if I want to go the 40mm DMS street shocks for 3.5K or the 50mm hardcore shocks for $4.8k it's only 1k difference....and the 50mm are 2 way adjustable unlike the 40mm..

waiting to see what prices turn up from the USA too..as Australia is ALWAYS 25% more expensive than anything over there.

[DG]

DG..got a brand of Coil overs that you would recommend...preferably under 2K

Bilsteins.

It's not rocket science to fit a coilover sleeve.

The "shock" part of the Bilstein is just so much better than all the alternatives that it massively outweighs whatever annoyance comes with fitting a strut insert into an OEM "foot".

And these days, Bilsteins are stupid cheap. You can buy three sets for the price of the Chinese crap.

DG

[DG]

I'll tell you what.

If somebody sends me a set of OEM shock assemblies (one front, one rear, complete with the upper hats and springs) and a pair of Bilsteins (one front, one rear) I'll draw up a set of drawings and do a how-to web page for converting them to take-apart coilovers.

DG

[MR2]

Ohhh please do! awesome idea.

[GTOJOE]

I'll tell you what.

If somebody sends me a set of OEM shock assemblies (one front, one rear, complete with the upper hats and springs) and a pair of Bilsteins (one front, one rear) I'll draw up a set of drawings and do a how-to web page for converting them to take-apart coilovers.

DG

What price would you expect this setup to run to? and will I still be able to my car stupidly low :p [like in my sig]

[DG]

I'll do it the way I do the Koni setup for DSMs - release the drawings publicly, place some restrictions on commercial sale to prevent vendors from ripping you off by jacking the price, and put instructions online.

You then make a PayPal donation to cover bandwidth and my time.

You'll need a machine shop do do the actual build, but the tough part is the design, not the build. Any machine shop can do this stuff.

But I need seed parts to start. I'm not ripping my car apart (I think the OEM ECS suspension is actually very good and will be keeping it) and I'm not investing any of my own money.

DG

[J. Fast]

Any downsides to using these DG? They were just released last week and adapt our lower strut mount to an Evo strut mount: http://www.3sgto.org/f65/new-product-sce-3-s-evo8-suspension-adapters-4904.html

According to Supercar we can adapt/bolt-on any strut/suspension from Evo 8-9 to 3/S. A really big options door just swung open...

[MR2]

yeah bitch's :) checkout this, these things must way 1/3rd more than the Tein rubbish, everything is solid...durable...well designed.

The Evo Top Camber/Caster Adjusters:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01373.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01374.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01375.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01402.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01403.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01405.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01406.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01407.JPG

[MR2]

The Shocks

http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01376.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01377.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01378.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01379.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01380.JPG

First Thoughts:

http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01382.JPG

[MR2]

The meat.
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01395.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01396.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01421.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01409.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01401.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01398.JPG

[MR2]

Manual:
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/Mitsu%20GTO%20Instructions.pdf

Everything I have to do with these: Index of /car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS (http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/)

[GTOJOE]

Fuck yeah. Those billet tops look sexy as.

[MR2]

Some observations: these would be more like double the weight of the Teins, I'm going to find it the totals and of course post them (with pictures) everything on these is just amazing, even the strut tops weigh LOTS, notice how they have progressive springs...also no adjustable clevis, so they are ROAD LEGAL YAY. I may have to butcher the lower clevis washer mount system as I MAY need more shock camber than they account for...in theory the total outer diameter of these is actually less than the Teins, time will tell.

edit: they are 7.4 kg each

[DG]

Any downsides to using these DG? They were just released last week and adapt our lower strut mount to an Evo strut mount: New Product: SCE 3/S-EVO8 Suspension Adapters

Hrm. So he is using an adapter sleeve to take up the difference in the bolt sizes on the lower front, and he has that block to convert the EVO clevis to the 3S post mount on the lower rear.

Yeah, that would work. I'm not a huge fan of the bushing on the lower rear - I'd use a bearing - but there's not much room to work with there so maybe the bushing is the only way to make it work.

That looks like an acceptable option, and is better than using junk shocks.

Note though that OTS EVO shocks WILL need to be revalved for the 3S. The odds on an EVO valving being right are close to zero.

DG

[mb7050]

The meat.
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01395.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01396.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01421.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01409.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01401.JPG
http://3000gt.com.au/car/Misc/Coilovers/DMS/DSC01398.JPG
Swwweeeet !

[mb7050]

bringing this back from the dead and adding some info. Keep us updated MR2 !

These adapters will allow you to bolt on any Mitsubishi EVO-8 or 9 suspension kit onto your AWD 3000GT VR-4 or Stealth R/T TT. EVO is a similar car with a similar weight distribution, and is only a few hundred pounds lither than the 3/S. Any EVO suspension kit with reasonably stiff springs will work fine on the 3/S.

Enjoy running any brand name suspension you like on you 3/S ! ! ! !

Supercar Engineering (http://supercar-engineering.com/sc2/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=288)

http://supercar-engineering.com/sc2/images/prod-3S-EVOadapters.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQw4FMq5SDPcpxlOvTLOGb_9oxDENX1p no7KmyjmUJzcXwlhewkzQ

http://www.shock-shop.com/images/Ohlins%20images/l_car_46hmrx.jpg
http://www.worksevo.com/images/Ohlins/Ohlins2.JPG

(This is what the factory wrc team used/(s)) (the best of the best of the best)
gravel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOIoEQWH14&feature=related
snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IghFJHEIMYk&feature=related
tarmac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoMNnyj55q4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WFD8y6Fas
WORKS (http://www.worksevo.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=130)
see the price

[mb7050]

there is also (not a gravel suspension
BILSTEIN PSS9
Performance Suspension System with 9 damping adjustments is the “race inspired” fully adjustable ride height system featuring mono-tube gas shock absorbers with nine precise damping adjustments. The system includes adjustable mono-tube gas shock absorbers with nine precise compression and rebound settings from comfort to competition, and progressive rate springs which allow accurate adjustment of vehicle ride height and center of gravity for the level of performance you seek. The most comfortable suspension system for EVO.

Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers Mitsubishi EVO 03-06 (http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/bilstein-pss9-coilovers-mitsubishi-0306-p-28407.html)
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/Bilstein/Coilovers_PSS9_LRG.jpg
http://www.carmodsaustralia.com.au/ecommerce/products/728/bilstein-pss-9-system-coilover---evo-7-9-gm5-8642-728-4525-lrg.jpg

Ohlins Road and Track Coilovers
Ohlins has introduced the final step in their automotive design process, the Road & Track Series.
The 30 year long tradition of high-end racing and state-of-the-art suspension technology is now available for daily driven street cars all over the world. Their focus has been clear from the beginning, superior road handling and feel without sacrificing the drive-ability or comfort of you street driven automobile.
They have also lightened the weight by replacing a majority of parts with aluminum. On top of that, Ohlins has also put their shocks through a vast corrosion test process according to ISO 9227 procedures. The end result is a 2-year warranty on all of their products - worldwide.

Features:
DFV (Dual Flow Valve)
Corrosion salt spray tested to ISO 9227 - 2 year warranty
Single bleed/Preloaded spring adjusters
Fully re-buildable w/dust-covers
Front Springs: 572lbs/in Rear Spring: 458lbs/in
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/partdetails/Ohlins/Suspension/Coilovers/Road_and_Track/16695
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/Ohlins/Coilovers_Road_and_Track_LRG.jpg

[MR2]

Long story short, I bought them, started fitting them & then they got stolen, so I'm saving for some Tein top plates (will allow dialing in more camber/castor) and replacement shocks again (same ones)

[Slacker1357]

<:O Holy crap! $12K for shocks??? are you insane? damn dude... they better come with a lifetime free replacement... lol

[mb3000]

That's terrible MR2, you should invest in some "home security"

http://images.wikia.com/houseofthedead/images/e/ee/80592301.jpg

[MR2]

I'm thinking electrifying the garage door.

[Spyder]

Has anyone actually looked into actually having the suspension built at a race shop?? Since there is a ton of EVO shops and now we can bolt evo suspension it ours cars why not call one of those shops and have them built you a coilover set with whatever spring rates you need with proper valving. I mean if you are going to spend that much in suspension might as well get it custom built for your car.

[MR2]

when I spoke to DMS about the coilovers they did say that they would ship me something made for what I wanted to do with the car...which is pretty much what you talk about as I see it?

[Spyder]

so you got custom valving and spring rates??

[MR2]

yep, told them exactly how I wanted it and they said they built them for me :)

[J. Fast]

What did you end up going with for the spring rates on the fronts and rears?

[MR2]

yet to have any incentive to touch the rears, the fronts I went with 300lb springs (we decided on slighly harder than stock :)

in case you missed it the shocks have 2 way adjustable valves

[Spyder]

Cool, now install them and get us some feedback :)

[AgentOblivious]

I'll tell you what.

If somebody sends me a set of OEM shock assemblies (one front, one rear, complete with the upper hats and springs) and a pair of Bilsteins (one front, one rear) I'll draw up a set of drawings and do a how-to web page for converting them to take-apart coilovers.

DG

How long would this take to do? Right now my car is my DD, but it'll probably be down for a bit in the summer (120k service + body work), so I could send you the parts then.