Gauging Interest: AWD Sway Bars

[Atrosity]

As some of you know, I work at a manufacturing plant. My dad is the president of the company and we have about 10 CNC machines at my disposal, full engineering staff, and 150 employees.

Right now I am in the process of engineering AWD Sway bars for the 3S platform, I wanted to see if the market is there for them.

I am getting some AWD sway bars mailed to me and I will be having them reinforced and I will include the endlinks for the sway bars.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I'm interested if the pricing is really competitive and they fit.

[Atrosity]

I'm interested if the pricing is really competitive and they fit.

They will definitely fit. Once all is done with the engineering I will get an a official quote. If there is enough interest I might be able to sell them for less than saner.

Before I sell the sway bars I want to sell some discounted to a select few to prove to the community that they will work.

[Skylinespeeder]

im intersted, tell me more

[EvanH]

I would be interested. Also though if they fit... I know you said that they would but, the Sanners(iirc) were a little small a few years ago where the hump over the drive shaft is. And cut I think a couple of peoples CFDS. When they would take off it would inch down and cut it after a little time wearing into it.

Also, would you be able to make some strut tower bars like the TEC bars? I dont know if he makes them anymore.

[EvanH]

double post....

[GTO Assassin]

I've heard rumours about our cars that you only need to do the front as the stocker is pretty good. Is this true? Being that our cars are big, heavy and AWD, what is the best format (front AND rear - just the front, just the rear) for drag racing, auto X and circuit racing?

Thanks.

Scotty

[Nihil]

I've heard rumours about our cars that you only need to do the front as the stocker is pretty good. Is this true? Being that our cars are big, heavy and AWD, what is the best format (front AND rear - just the front, just the rear) for drag racing, auto X and circuit racing?

Thanks.

Scotty

I believe *correct me if I'm wrong* but doing the rear, will help with understeer, which our cars are notorious for, doing just front, would lessen oversteer and greaten understeer, which is not what we want for our cars. I think that's right, I might have it backwards? Or maybe I'm totally off...my brain is falling apart and I can't retain anything worth remembering

Ideally, with experimentation with front and rear braces AND sway bars, you could mix and match and get a well balanced car for whatever your desire

[3000GTCSULB]

I could test fit it for you, I have the Victory hood on it.

[Atrosity]

The awd sway bars project will be starting on the 8th. :)

[2fnloud]

I could test fit it for you, I have the Victory hood on it.

How does what hood you have have anything to do with a part that mounts to the underside of the car?


Also in for information, anything that helps these cars carve corners better has my peak attention.

[Tiberius]

Interested and therefore subscribed. I know for a fact that several guys from the German 3s forum are interested in sway bar upgrades.

[Rom3BreaK]

Quite interested... Now graduated and fully employed :D

[3000GTCSULB]

:( I read it as strut bars instead of sway.

[vyper1]

also interested

[jbuhrman]

Eric,

If you need a test car for fitment... you know where to find me

[DanEboy5]

I also have been looking for these. My CC is standing by...let's get them made!

[MADMarc]

lol cool to see you snagged some interest here, Eric.

[DrGonzo]

Which ones are you going to build front or rear?

Truthfully I think the rear ones are fine. They are nice and beefy. they could use upgraded poly links but other that that I don't think it would get any better.

The front ones on the other hand are pathetic pieces of wire! Those I could see needing to be replaced with a beefier bar.

Truthfully I think it would be best for some of the auto-x/road course guys to chime in on that one. They would know the best as to how the car reacts with the stock bars and what would be the best approach. Might want to get some expert opinions in here before you start cranking out sway bars that are going to perform the same as the stock ones.

[x2percentmilk]

That thin front bar can actually be a good thing for our cars

Tire Tech Information - Air Pressure for Competition Tires (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=58)

[Asclep]

I would be interested in both front and rear Sway Bars for 1995 3000gt VR4 Spyder.... VR4 should fit I would think but not sure because of the extra framing.

Did these ever get made?

[fullracegt]

id forsure get a set if they would fit on a slammed vr4 with a cf driveshaft,how much bigger than stock did you plan on goin?

[Vishnu]

Anymore word on these?

[mb3000]

Subscribed.

[GTO Assassin]

Yes. Updates please.

Scotty

[Streamln1]

in for more info, would need to happen soon though

[Reker]

If these are still being made I would gladly take a pair.

[CoopKill]

Not gonna happen, he has not been on in over 2 months, and the thread is years old...

[Reker]

Thanks.

[green-lantern]

Not gonna happen, he has not been on in over 2 months, and the thread is years old...

I haven't seen him post in years.

[SUTHNR]

3SX completely redeveloped the rear sway bar with Addco to create a well-fitted bar for the AWD 3S that actually uses the stock endlinks. New front bar as well.

Swaybars AWD 3SX Addco Sway Bars TT / VR4*-*Mitsubishi 3000GT*/*Dodge Stealth Parts (http://www.3sx.com/store/comersus_viewItemBundle.asp?idProduct=30177)

EricB

[sketch]

i enjoyed this bump. 8.5/10 would read again.

[Kx1984]

3SX completely redeveloped the rear sway bar with Addco to create a well-fitted bar for the AWD 3S that actually uses the stock endlinks. New front bar as well.

Swaybars AWD 3SX Addco Sway Bars TT / VR4 - Mitsubishi 3000GT / Dodge Stealth Parts (http://www.3sx.com/store/comersus_viewItemBundle.asp?idProduct=30177)

EricB


It may be redesigned but the question still is will it destroy a carbon fiber Drive shaft on a lowered car

im sure you'll it's fine

The the other question is will u replace the shaft if it does?

With out the run around?

Kx

[SUTHNR]

If you look at the pictures that were posted in various places, it was designed around a lowered car with aftermarket driveshaft.
Particularly these: 3SX / Addco AWD Rear Sway Bar 2012 Fitting - 3SX Performance*-*Mitsubishi 3000GT*/*Dodge Stealth Parts (http://www.3sx.com/installs/swaybar-tt-rear-fit/)
That being said, when installing various aftermarket components, you should always check for compatibility on YOUR specific vehicle and your specific parts.

We have about 40 rear bars out there with NO reported interference issues.

And unfortunately we can not offer a warranty on OTHER parts as we have no way of knowing what everyone is running, what the condition of the vehicle is - wore out bushings and struts that allow the rear end to move WAY more than it should, wore out motor mounts that allow the engine and drivetrain components to move WAY more than they should, accident damage that has vehicle components not even in their original positions, etc (not saying this is your car, but things to consider when installing multiple aftermarket components that may interact or work together). Nor can we know all driving conditions - say you bottom out a pothole and over-exceed normal tolerances on suspension and drivetrain travel. You can't blame EITHER part (driveshaft or swaybar) in something like this. These are all things to consider when installing aftermarket parts, whether spark plugs and pistons, or struts and springs, or swaybars and drivetrain.

EricB

[anyonebutme]

We have about 40 rear bars out there with NO reported interference issues.


:|

I would like to officially say again, that is an incorrect statement.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PrestoTuna/2012-04-08172343.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/PrestoTuna/media/2012-04-08172343.jpg.html)


rear bar also hits the rear axle mounting bolts and front bar also rubs the front axles. Whether or not the "4th revision redesigned" ones fit or not I dunno because I've never seen them after being told there wasn't a need for a redesign because they were test fitted before I bought my set.

Video, you can hear it knocking on most right turns and some lefts, especially on turn 2 after the drag strip:

http://contour.com/videos/watch/ng12-rc-3

[SUTHNR]

You would be correct. We did re-do them with Addco August and Sept 2012, after a couple people ran into issues on hitting the undercarriage (perhaps yours was one, not sure). We received the new production run in October 2012 - the design that uses the stock endlinks - as indicated in the update note on the listing on our site. So yes, yours would be a different bar with a video at NG 2012, and we haven't heard of issues with shipments of the current style.

EricB

[striker2]

and we haven't heard of issues with shipments of the current style.

EricB

I call BS. I received one from the thanksgiving sale which was supposed to be the new design. upon installation it was clear the bar didnt fit at all, several of the bends were not even close which resulted in one side being to far from the endlink while the other was too close as well as hitting the body. I called 3SX and was told to go direct to Addco, with no offer for replacement of any kind. After sending pictures to Addco they said they would replace it, but that I would have to send it to them first as they didnt have any in stock. after months of waiting I finally received a sway bar, only to discover they sent the wrong one (sent a FWD rear bar instead of the AWD). called them again, and after a week+ of trying to get a hold of them they sent a call tag for the wrong bar and sent out the right one.

these are of the first bar sitting directly on top of the stock bar. I havent even taken the 2nd replacement out of the bubble wrap to try to install it.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/3000GT%20VR4/IMG_20121206_133102.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/3000GT%20VR4/IMG_20121206_133023.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/3000GT%20VR4/IMG_20121206_133017.jpg

installed, the whole bar needed to shift towards the drivers side but was unable to do so because the poor alignment of the center bends meant that it was off center of the car and hit the body. btw, this was with a completely stock suspension.

drivers side
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/3000GT%20VR4/IMG_20121206_111902.jpg

passenger side
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Dslax/3000GT%20VR4/IMG_20121206_111828.jpg

[SUTHNR]

Sorry for your issues. But please check the new/unwrapped bar. The one you picture is actually not the current design. The current design is milled out around the bolt holes to work with factory endlinks:

http://www.3sx.com/installs/swaybar-tt-rear-fit/swaybar-tt-addco-dev-rear-2012-installed-09-650.jpg

EricB

[striker2]

So the one i received from you guys back in December was still the old design? That sounds like something you guys screwed up then as it should have been the new design. Btw, this current one also doesnt have the ends milled out around the bolt holes so it seems like i got another one of the old design direct from addco. Eric, should i just call you and we can figure out what happened and how to make it right?

[CoopKill]

The new design I received fits well so far. I say so far, as my engine/trans are still out of the car. Will know more in a couple weeks.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I just checked my rear bar I ordered on 10/8/2012 and it has the machined area around the bolt holes.

[wraith]

Why was any bar sold to the public if they had fitment issues? Who just contracts a company to make you something and never checks to see that it actually works before selling it?