Polyurethane Bushings

[Polygon]

I'm trying to find other options for Polyurethane bushing kits for my 91' Stealth TT. I know about the 3SX kit and I spend a lot of money there but those things are astronomically expensive.

Do we have any other options?

[Nihil]

I believe the 3SX kits were made by someone else as a group buy or specialty thing, can't remember who it was that made them, but 3SX ended up buying them and now they have the lot of them....*20 minutes later* I searched... http://www.cryofuzion.com/91-93_stedebani_3000_VR4_susp.htm It was stedebani, and I'm not sure if they make them, 3SX bought them last I recall, but they still have info up, so who knows...maybe someone can spark up another group buy of some sort with these guys or somethin

The only other leader of poly would be energy suspension, but they don't make anything for our cars

[TUFFTR]

Hey man, We have a few manufacturers of poly bushings in Australia.
1 is called "Fulcrum" which make a range of poly bushes under the name of "superpro" (blue)http://www.fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/
And another company which I have used in both my cars is called "Nolathane" (red)http://www.nolathane.com.au/

They should have something to suit!

[hated]

Nice find man!

[TUFFTR]

It's all we use in australia really so it was given that I'd bring their names up. I run the 60mm steel shelled OE style rear lower control arm bushes and the replacement front lower control arm bushes and they are SWEET. Cost about $120 AU for a full set of lower control arm bushs, so not cheap either!

[KPZVR4]

3sx is still on sale. 250 isn't bad for a full set.

[BjornRune]

3sx is still on sale. 250 isn't bad for a full set.

A full set of what? Engine mounts?
I think the majority here is talking about suspension and subframe bushings.

[BjornRune]

@Tufftr; The problem with those as I have found, is that the OEM part for the rear bushing on the front control arms were re-designed in 92/93, going from a sleeved bushing (nice design) to a loose rubber bushing attached with a bracket. I am in the process of converting my "new" style bushings to the old type, as I feel they are MUCH tighter and allow less play unless completely worn out. The control arm end piece on the newer style is however much thicker (it's 22mm, the old one is about 18mm judging from the OEM bushing I have) so I'm planning to either bore up the center sleeve in the "old-style" bushing or just re-sleeve it alltogether. I'm under the impression that the end piece on the older style control arm is threaded too, can you confirm this? That makes the old style even better IMO, as it's being clamped down pretty thoroughly.

[TUFFTR]

@Tufftr; The problem with those as I have found, is that the OEM part for the rear bushing on the front control arms were re-designed in 92/93, going from a sleeved bushing (nice design) to a loose rubber bushing attached with a bracket. I am in the process of converting my "new" style bushings to the old type, as I feel they are MUCH tighter and allow less play unless completely worn out. The control arm end piece on the newer style is however much thicker (it's 22mm, the old one is about 18mm judging from the OEM bushing I have) so I'm planning to either bore up the center sleeve in the "old-style" bushing or just re-sleeve it alltogether. I'm under the impression that the end piece on the older style control arm is threaded too, can you confirm this? That makes the old style even better IMO, as it's being clamped down pretty thoroughly.

I'll have to disect what you said a little in depth when I get home. I own a magna and diamante, but they use the same front ends. In saying that, might be worth going to the wreckers (junkyard to you guys :P) and look at some V6 DOHC early diamantes which AFAIK all use the 60mm steel shelled rear lower control arm bush.

[Polygon]

I just realized that none of these kits, including 3SX, have anything related to the front swaybar and only part of the rear swaybars.


I believe the 3SX kits were made by someone else as a group buy or specialty thing, can't remember who it was that made them, but 3SX ended up buying them and now they have the lot of them....*20 minutes later* I searched... http://www.cryofuzion.com/91-93_stedebani_3000_VR4_susp.htm It was stedebani, and I'm not sure if they make them, 3SX bought them last I recall, but they still have info up, so who knows...maybe someone can spark up another group buy of some sort with these guys or somethin

The only other leader of poly would be energy suspension, but they don't make anything for our cars

Interesting.

I'll have to give them a call and see what they will charge for that kit and if they're interested in a group buy. Energy Suspension was the first place I looked. I couldn't believe that they don't have a damn thing for our cars.


Hey man, We have a few manufacturers of poly bushings in Australia.
1 is called "Fulcrum" which make a range of poly bushes under the name of "superpro" (blue)http://www.fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/
And another company which I have used in both my cars is called "Nolathane" (red)http://www.nolathane.com.au/

They should have something to suit!

Checked them out and neither has a full kit.


A full set of what? Engine mounts?
I think the majority here is talking about suspension and subframe bushings.

Yep, I'm mostly looking for the suspension bushings right now. Later I would want the subframe and rear diff bushing. At 3SX if you buy all three you're looking at close to $1,500.

[MR2]

Care to take some photo's showing the difference? this is a very interesting one

[Fakepower]

Yep, I'm mostly looking for the suspension bushings right now. Later I would want the subframe and rear diff bushing. At 3SX if you buy all three you're looking at close to $1,500.

Wrong, just slightly over 900$ I realize this is alot of money, I have all 3 kits, and installation was a dream.... everything goes together like a fitted suit ... quality is excellent , instructions are good, the bushings are clearly marked... I guess for our platform, where some items like bushing arent available from big manufacturers , i am 100% willing to pay for an excellent product. Which is exactly what the 3sx bushing kits are.

Edit: wow sorry 3sx did raise their prices considerably since when i bought them. glad i got mine when i did!

[MR2]

Wrong, just slightly over 900$ I realize this is alot of money, I have all 3 kits, and installation was a dream.... everything goes together like a fitted suit ... quality is excellent , instructions are good, the bushings are clearly marked... I guess for our platform, where some items like bushing arent available from big manufacturers , i am 100% willing to pay for an excellent product. Which is exactly what the 3sx bushing kits are.

Edit: wow sorry 3sx did raise their prices considerably since when i bought them. glad i got mine when i did!

Seconded, as long as I'm not paying 100% markup I don't honestly mind supporting 3sx :)

people who don't have a few extra bux to pay for something have bought the wrong platform!

[Polygon]

Wrong, just slightly over 900$ I realize this is alot of money, I have all 3 kits, and installation was a dream.... everything goes together like a fitted suit ... quality is excellent , instructions are good, the bushings are clearly marked... I guess for our platform, where some items like bushing arent available from big manufacturers , i am 100% willing to pay for an excellent product. Which is exactly what the 3sx bushing kits are.

Edit: wow sorry 3sx did raise their prices considerably since when i bought them. glad i got mine when i did!


Seconded, as long as I'm not paying 100% markup I don't honestly mind supporting 3sx :)

people who don't have a few extra bux to pay for something have bought the wrong platform!

I don't mind supporting 3SX either. However, that price is MUCH higher than any other manufacture and 3SX isn't even manufacturing these. My other car has even less after market support than the 3S and we have a custom manufacture for all of our Poly Bushings and for all my bushings and motor/trans mounts I paid $600 shipped. Everything fits perfect and installation was a breeze as well. I just added up the 3SX kits and it comes to approximately $1,200. Then add the high 3SX shipping on top of that and that's a lot of money. Especially for a kit that doesn't cover everything.

That's why I'm looking for alternatives here. I will pay that if I have to, but I will not throw away money if I don't have to.

[TT Eric]

Me too, I'm planning to buy those soon. In fact I'm waiting for the next discount or black friday, Christmas or whatever since I noticed the increased price! So I'm in for a group buy at 3SX, or directly to Stedébani.

Eric

[MR2]

I guess I'd be in for the GB as well..

still keen to see the diff between Gen1 and Gen 2 rear suspension as discussed

[Polygon]

Me too, I'm planning to buy those soon. In fact I'm waiting for the next discount or black friday, Christmas or whatever since I noticed the increased price! So I'm in for a group buy at 3SX, or directly to Stedébani.

Eric

Yeah, I would have no problem paying $900 for all of them.


I guess I'd be in for the GB as well..

still keen to see the diff between Gen1 and Gen 2 rear suspension as discussed

Same here.

[2fnloud]

I would even be interested in a GB on these, preferably around tax return time.

[BjornRune]

I guess I'd be in for the GB as well..

still keen to see the diff between Gen1 and Gen 2 rear suspension as discussed

I can snap som pics tomorrow if you like? I do not have a Gen1 control arm though

[BjornRune]

Pics of 1stGen vs. 2ndGen front control arm rear bushings:


New design (2nd gen)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/BjR_82/SDC10662.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/BjR_82/SDC10663.jpg



Old design (1st gen)


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/BjR_82/SDC10665.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/BjR_82/SDC10666.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/BjR_82/SDC10667.jpg

[MR2]

hmmmmm very interesting thanks!

[TT Eric]

Me I want only the Suspension kit, not the subframe one and rear diff's ones! They are both good.

Eric

[TUFFTR]

I sold a set of those 1st gen bush's not long ago for $10 brand new! they are TR TS magna 4cyl front bushings. V6 magna use the 60mm shelled type like in your 2nd pic.
2nd gen design is much better IMO

[BjornRune]

Why do you feel the 2nd gen design is better? I'm curious, as I can't seem to get mine as tight as the 1st gens, which practically LOCKS the arm in place. I think mitsu just updated the design to lower the costs of producing them.
After swapping in a complete set of new OEM 2nd gen bushings AND brackets (as there is a bushing in the bracket too), I still had some sliiiight caster movement when going at it with a prybar. With new 1st gen bushings it was rock solid. Didn't move AT All.

Thanks for the part/platform cross reference by the way :)