Home security

[Amphiron]

Lately there have been a lot petty robberies in my neighborhood. We've been hit twice so far, first they broke into my girlfriends car and stole her radio and broke her dash in half. Now they've broken into the garage and stolen 2 motorcycles. Over $10,000!!!! I just finished my car and thats sitting out front now. Ugh, so I know thats next or even worse they are going to come into the house. I don't know what to do, the police won't take finger prints. I'm to the point to where I'm planing on buying a shotgun, taking a spot light and some thermal underwear and setting up base on my damn roof. I'm fed up and I really don't want to hurt anyone. I was thinking security cameras, but most thats gonna do is give the police something more to ignore. I need to catch these mother fuckers. I was thinking bear traps would be good, it's fall and there are plenty of leaves to hide them in.

[Macky]

sounds like you need active security than a regular home security system.

short of rigging your place with bear traps and claymore mines, id assume electrifying the garage doors and home windows. as far as the car, well, besides rigging it to explode if someone breaks in, i think there's really not much you can do. :(

[Valhallaz]

I understand arsenic in pretty much any quantity can't be tasted in whiskey. Just saying...

[Amphiron]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:UZCW_K3arjvFjM:http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff29/karenfoster1/swiperSample.jpg
Maybe if I printed this out and made a sign for my front yard they would get the idea?

[blindmist]

sounds like you need active security than a regular home security system.

short of rigging your place with bear traps and claymore mines, id assume electrifying the garage doors and home windows. as far as the car, well, besides rigging it to explode if someone breaks in, i think there's really not much you can do. :(

Booby trapping your house or property is actually illegal in Texas, but they are more understanding here when you shoot a mother fucker on your property, or any other burglar you see robbing a house, even if it isn't yours. You see someone stealing a car at night? You can shoot them.

[Vantage]

Get a dog and a hand/shotgun and learn how to use it. You probably wouldnt have to even shoot the perp, a shot in their general area would more than likely be enough to scare them off and them not come back. Or just shoot them and never have to worry about it again..your call.

[mb3000]

You should get a 12 gauge shotgun, load it with riot control shot (rubber bb's) and bring the pain. :sterb132: :blink:

[arthur92710]

You should get a 12 gauge shotgun, load it with riot control shot (rubber bb's) and bring the pain. :sterb132: :blink:
OMG, who are you? That's what I was going to say.

Yeah, if this happened to me I this is what I would do.
1. Get gun ^, with both real and soft ammo.
2. Set up wireless hidden video around the house
3. Take a week off of work, post all over facebook and tell all the neighbors that your going away for the week.
4. G.o an electronics store and pick up a few electronics boxes. Leave them on the driveway "waiting to be picked up"
5. Stay at home for a week. No friends, no outdoors.
6. When those asshole show up, they will, give them hell. Try to catch them and tie them up in your basement.
7. Up to you :DevilSmile:
lol maybe some thing out of saw, 'suspend' them from your roof , duct tape to the street, or light pole.
I have heard of people crapping pants in the passenger seat of our car. Tie them to the hood, head first upside down. LOL

Alternate: Do what your local PD did, get up and leave. <---- '____' move
If you do move its ok after you followed steps 1 - 7.

I dont officialy support some of this. So, don't quote me

[Macky]

Booby trapping your house or property is actually illegal in Texas, but they are more understanding here when you shoot a mother fucker on your property, or any other burglar you see robbing a house, even if it isn't yours. You see someone stealing a car at night? You can shoot them.

heck that sounds like a plan to me :D

[terrets]

Howd they get into your garage? I have a friend that used to live in South Africa, they put big ass fish hooks along the door frame so when the bastards try getting in they get hooked :p.

Bear traps sound good :p. Definitely get some wireless cameras. They are pretty cheap for infrared ones.

I would sure as hell be shooting them with a tazzer, rubber bullets, or real ones :p. If it was my house I would probably have a 12 gauge loaded with bird shot. They wouldnt die if you aim low and Im pretty sure its legal around here to shoot them :D.

Check your state laws as to what you can do to robbers/trespassers. If you are allowed to shoot, I sure as hell would :D.

I hope you have everything insured......What a load of crap those officers are.

[Amphiron]

Howd they get into your garage? I have a friend that used to live in South Africa, they put big ass fish hooks along the door frame so when the bastards try getting in they get hooked :p.

Bear traps sound good :p. Definitely get some wireless cameras. They are pretty cheap for infrared ones.

I would sure as hell be shooting them with a tazzer, rubber bullets, or real ones :p. If it was my house I would probably have a 12 gauge loaded with bird shot. They wouldnt die if you aim low and Im pretty sure its legal around here to shoot them :D.

Check your state laws as to what you can do to robbers/trespassers. If you are allowed to shoot, I sure as hell would :D.

I hope you have everything insured......What a load of crap those officers are.
We have insurance. I think they will give us enough to at least pay off the one bike but still, they are gone and so are the countless hours of work my cousin has put into them. As far as state laws in Michigan, you can't shoot someone unless they are in your house threatening you. So if they are just in my yard and I blow their fucking head off, I'm going to jail lol.

[2fnloud]

Rock salt loads or blanks. BTW where in MI are you from?

[Valhallaz]

If I have to shoot someone in defense of my home, my intention is that they don't survive. The center of the torso is a big slow moving target and in the dark, in a tense situation, big slow moving targets are a good thing. Burglars tend to come in 2's and 3's. Don't relax until you know you've found them all. It'll only take one to ruin your whole day. Their next of kin may sue you, but they will not. Medical bills won't be an issue.
And a dog is an excellent idea. Doesn't have to be a big dog so much as a big sounding dog. Hearing Cujo on the other side of a door is a fine deterrent.

[Ghey]

Doberman, Rot or German Shepperd are all great dogs to have around. Depending on your neighborhood, find something mixed with Chow, since they hate everything.

Go to a gun store / pawn shop and find an old Ithaca police shotgun and cut it down to 20" and use a belt sander on the stock until it fits comfortably in your shoulder. You'll probably have about $100 in the set up.

Listen to Biggie

[SupraMKIII]

Paintball guns can fire at upwards of 20 balls per second. *cough*

[mb3000]

Paintball guns can fire at upwards of 20 balls per second. *cough*

*Caugh* Freeze the balls first :suspect:

[eljefefx]

Get a dog.

Listen to Ghey.

Use this type of shell:

Centurion 12 gauge buck/ball combo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rybvE961DLY

or PDX1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IazTvseoDSo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIh2Wxwwfhk



Shoot to kill.

[Granny]

*Caugh* Freeze the balls first :suspect:

:eek2:

[Granny]

Shoot to kill.

Nice to see you here. :love3:

[eljefefx]

I'm everywhere, Granny :)

[terrets]

:lol: Granny

Screw freezing the balls. Shoot marbles :p

And if they do end up in your house. Shoot to kill and put a knife in their hand and put a little cut on yourself :D

[arthur92710]

If I have to shoot someone in defense of my home, my intention is that they don't survive. The center of the torso is a big slow moving target and in the dark, in a tense situation, big slow moving targets are a good thing. Burglars tend to come in 2's and 3's. Don't relax until you know you've found them all. It'll only take one to ruin your whole day. Their next of kin may sue you, but they will not. Medical bills won't be an issue.
And a dog is an excellent idea. Doesn't have to be a big dog so much as a big sounding dog. Hearing Cujo on the other side of a door is a fine deterrent.

Shoot to kill = no medical bills + no witnesses(if its inside).
Put up 'trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again' sign. You warned them, other wise the french called it a 'Guillotine'. AKA 'off with his head" :w00t:

[terrets]

I put up no trespassing signs. Signs read:

No Trespassing
Violators will
be Prosecuted
And Possibly Shot At

Ya my neighbors 8 year old daughter saw those and freaked out :p They were the ones trespassing too. Caught them on a trail cam. They walked not 50 yards from my house >_< If I had seen them I would have got them with the paint ball gun :D.
If I ever have someone break in, Id sure as hell shoot them. Or get them with the Katana above my bed :)

[Goallie11]

Go for the katana that'd be so much more bad ass.

[mcshooter]

check your state and local law for what you can do to protect yourself and property. ohio has a castel law where you can shoot anyone breaking in your house without being sued in civil court by a relative. the only security i need is my trigger finger which is well trained

[bluemax_1]

You live in MI, you are governed by Michigan HB 5143. They approved Castle Doctrine in 2006. You have the right to use force to defend property and the right to use deadly force without a duty to retreat if you have a reasonable belief that you need to do so to defend yourself from serious threat. The House Bill also allows you to presume that any intruder entering your occupied dwelling can potentially be construed a serious threat and as such (unless they have a right to be there, eg. resident, owner, lessee, spouse, parent, child with no restraining orders etc.) you can kill someone who forces their way into your occupied house or vehicle. This allows you to kill anyone invading any covered portion of your property. You are not allowed to shoot someone walking on your lawn, but if they break into any section of your house that is roofed (including an attached garage) you can shoot them.

You should be aware though that if the prosecutor so chooses, they can potentially bring charges against you for excessive use of force, however, where before, it was on you to prove that you had a legal need to use said force, the onus is now on them (if they want to press charges for some reason) to prove that the use of said force was completely unnecessary and that any other person would not have acted the same way.

The Bill also happens to cover roofed property such as a tent on public camping grounds, i.e. you can potentially kill someone invading your occupied tent without your consent while camping somewhere that you have a legal right to be.

To read more about the Castle Doctrine in Michigan to know what your rights are in defending yourself and your property:
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/11/03/a-review-of-castle-doctrine-no-retreat-legislation/
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?id=7916

With the law being the way it is in MI, if they entered MY dwelling, I would shoot to kill, not to wound.


Max

P.S. I am not a lawyer, nor am I in law enforcement, so these are solely my personal opinions and interpretations. You should do your own research on the subject and/or contact a lawyer to confirm your rights.
P.P.S. bobby trapping your property against human invaders is illegal in all states AFAIK. Definitely in MI. You could only set bear traps on your property if you live in an area that is populated with them and can prove you have had problems with bears. If you set a bear trap on your property and actually catch someone in it (it would likely cause severe injury) they could sue you (even if they were trespassing, and potentially even if they were in the act of committing a crime such as theft), AND the cops could press charges if you have no valid reason for having bear traps on your property.

[Amphiron]

I set up a camera. It's pointing right at my car. I was kidding about the bear traps lol. I think I'm gonna get some trip sensors (most likely from a garage door system) and hook them up to some sets of LED's that will display in my house so I know when someone is in my yard and I can check the cameras. I really just think a good shot in the air and a "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!" will make them never come back again. Catching them in the act is the problem.

[arthur92710]

I set up a camera. It's pointing right at my car. I was kidding about the bear traps lol. I think I'm gonna get some trip sensors (most likely from a garage door system) and hook them up to some sets of LED's that will display in my house so I know when someone is in my yard and I can check the cameras. I really just think a good shot in the air and a "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!" will make them never come back again. Catching them in the act is the problem.

Shot in the air is worse then an intentional kill shot. When it comes down and kills someone accidentally you will have bigger problems.

[Valhallaz]

Honestly, once you kill one or two of them, they'll stop coming around.

[Ghey]

I set up a camera. It's pointing right at my car. I was kidding about the bear traps lol. I think I'm gonna get some trip sensors (most likely from a garage door system) and hook them up to some sets of LED's that will display in my house so I know when someone is in my yard and I can check the cameras. I really just think a good shot in the air and a "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!" will make them never come back again. Catching them in the act is the problem.

Shooting in the air is a TERRIBLE idea. Shooting them is infinitely better. Is the camera visible? Is it a GOOD camera? Most cameras are worthless, and when they're visible, they become another target to get rid of prior to breaking in to your vehicle. A camera will stop the juvenile idiot, but not anyone with experience.

Get a dog. A dog will get your attention better than any high tech LED system, and will alert you to exactly where your yard is being trespassed in. Additionally, what are the LEDs going to do when you're snoozing? My GF's dog will bark and jump on us until one of us wakes up if someone is going through the yard.