View Full Version : AF Attempting to take down the NG AND 3SGTO
I posted this in another thread, but I really think as many of you as possible needs to read this...
Please forgive me for the repost. I don't get angry very easily, but I can tell you that right now my blood is seriously boiling. I don't think I've used the F word as often in the past three years as I have tonight since all of this... Anyway, here's the post from the other thread:
You guys want drama? They just gave it to you. The "gentlemen" at AutoForums submitted a claim to our web host stating that we were phishing for ID's and passwords. They want the sites shut down.
Oh, did I mention that they were targeting the NG site first and foremost, but then also went after 3sgto?! THE NG SITE!!! They're going after ME now. Not Alan, ME. What? Guilty by associaton? Give me an f(*#$*& break. Worse than pricks.
Jeff, Coop? You guys still proud to be mods over there? This is the way they behave. This came from the CTO. Want a copy of it? Here ya go:
*****
One of your (1&1) customers has sent out a mass mail with a fake lander page, that is designed to capture our user's passwords.
The url is:
http://3sng.org/calendar_2011/
Our logs show him collecting usernames/passwords then "testing" them against our server, then saving them. The owner of this site is not in any way affiliated with our website (3si.org) and has been harvesting/farming the passwords since last night. We have since blocked out the IP address but we would like you to take corrective action against this spammer.
Mediatemple, the user appears to be a customer of yours as well. His website is 3sgto.org, and is referenced in the spam message that he sent the users to try and farm and collect their usernames and passwords. Please take corrective TOS action against this user.
The email he sent our users is below. note the IP address of your server in the logs. This is against your terms of use. The logs of him hitting our server are also below. Please shut down this user. We've had to notify over 150 users so far to change their usernames and passwords as this information is still being harvested. Our end (blocking your ip) only prevents a test, but he is still farming/collecting on his web interface.
*****
The "spam message" they're referring to was announcing that calendar voting is up and running. There were logs attached as well, but those are simply logs of the people who logged in to vote. We certainly don't need to publicize them. NOW what do you think of 3si?
Alan, feel free to delete if you need to. But I WILL NOT keep quiet. They're attacking me for no reason whatsoever. I'm caught in the crossfire, so to speak, and it has to stop. Guys, this is serious... If they succeed, last year's NG would be the last.
DocWalt
10-28-2010, 12:33 AM
They done goof'd.
Seriously though, they're fucking this up big time. Where is their proof? Innocent until proven guilty.
They have NO PROOF. What we have is Nadeem admitting that he knew about it and even fixed it at one point. And I'm fairly certain (Alan, jump in here) that we can prove that the information is encrypted when it comes to us. And, of course, we can get proof that we had permission of the previous owners of the other site to put it there.
DocWalt
10-28-2010, 12:51 AM
Then they have nothing to stand on, they're just pushing your buttons. It's a pain in the ass, but still, not much you can really do, unless you want to be obnoxious and file a police report, if they'd even take one, lol.
terrets
10-28-2010, 12:56 AM
I agree they are just pushing your buttons....There shouldnt be anything to worry about :)....I think someone needs to hack their servers. >_> <_< >_>
VR4's-kick-ass
10-28-2010, 01:06 AM
Really hate 3si right now
SupraMKIII
10-28-2010, 01:13 AM
I'd go on there to see what they have to say, but their shitty ass servers never load at night.
terrets
10-28-2010, 01:16 AM
:lmao: OMG it is slow..... Im bitching on Loris thread :D
Austin@STM
10-28-2010, 01:37 AM
On a positive note, Lori can you send me sponsorship info for this years NG.
blindmist
10-28-2010, 02:14 AM
Sounds like entrapment to me. They made it to where he was able to run his script for him, then claim he is phishing. How fucking low.
Somebody get anon at 4chan. This shit needs to be taken care of.
93STLTH
10-30-2010, 08:06 AM
It shows how much their website is suffering since the start of this one. Really weak attempt on their part.
Same sort of thing happened with the WCNC. A certain vendor didn't like me personally and used his website to attack my character and reputation. It caused the attendance to drop from 45 cars to about 28 cars and forced me to give up on the event for a couple of years. It's coming back though, thanks in part to this site and 3S forums.
I'd say, just ignore it. 3si admins (and whoever else) are really mad right now, they loosing people and good topics on they forum just because this 3sgto exists. so it is obvious that they would do anything they can come up with to provoke something.
I'm just wondering how many of the 35,198 (+/-) members that AF claims to have on 3si are actually active paid members? I know many people will open a forum account and may only go their a few times and never go back. Also, since you can't delete your account, numerous accounts must be inactive from people that have come and gone over the years. I was always curious about that.
green-lantern
10-30-2010, 05:52 PM
I honestly think you guys need to take legal action if this or the NG site is down for one second. Hell I'd be talking with a lawyer anyway.
Valhallaz
10-30-2010, 05:56 PM
I honestly think you guys need to take legal action if this or the NG site is down for one second. Hell I'd be talking with a lawyer anyway.
This...
Sue the bastards for Libel. They have not a shred of evidence.
Alan92RTTT
10-30-2010, 06:04 PM
A lawsuit is not an option. When you look at how hard it is to get someone when libel is involved and add it the fact that AF is in CA we'd be lucky to end up with dime even if we won.
Situation is done no major negative effect for either site()NG,3sgto). Time to move on.
Situation is done no major negative effect for either site (NG,3sgto). Time to move on.
That's good to hear! :)
Polygon
10-30-2010, 06:36 PM
All I can tell them is, good luck with that. People are seriously stupid. The easiest way to catch bees is with honey. Give people a reason to come to your site. That's what 3SGTO has done. All AF does is try to shit on everyone and then wonders why they're in the situation they're in. The irony is that the only people they've hurt with this recent bullshit are themselves.
It shows how much their website is suffering since the start of this one. Really weak attempt on their part.
Same sort of thing happened with the WCNC. A certain vendor didn't like me personally and used his website to attack my character and reputation. It caused the attendance to drop from 45 cars to about 28 cars and forced me to give up on the event for a couple of years. It's coming back though, thanks in part to this site and 3S forums.
Awesome!
I had wanted to come but couldn't because of health reasons. I'll drag all the Utah owners with me.
93STLTH
10-30-2010, 07:05 PM
Awesome!
I had wanted to come but couldn't because of health reasons. I'll drag all the Utah owners with me.
All 3 of them?? :-)
green-lantern
10-30-2010, 07:07 PM
A lawsuit is not an option. When you look at how hard it is to get someone when libel is involved and add it the fact that AF is in CA we'd be lucky to end up with dime even if we won.
Situation is done no major negative effect for either site()NG,3sgto). Time to move on.
Well it hasn't effected the site yet but two of my friends have got some grief.
IDK, I wouldn't care in the least to chip in on a lawyer or maybe a class action lawsuit. It's the principle of it, I still cant edit my posts on the other site. I really don't care if we got a cent. To throw it in Auto Forums face and make them back the F off would be payment enough for me. I'm just pissed at what they are doing so any move we can make to have this crap blow up in their face would be great. If it is truly done then fine but if there is still a possibility we can get shut down then it might not be a bad idea to go on offense.
Polygon
10-30-2010, 07:15 PM
All 3 of them?? :-)
Haha, well. I got my car in June of 06' but didn't trust driving it as I assumed it hadn't had the 60k done. So, I wasn't about to drive it to Vegas. Then the next two years, yeah, sadly health problems. Gladly it won't ever be a problem again.
Well it hasn't effected the site yet but two of my friends have got some grief.
IDK, I wouldn't care in the least to chip in on a lawyer or maybe a class action lawsuit. It's the principle of it, I still cant edit my posts on the other site. I really don't care if we got a cent. To throw it in Auto Forums face and make them back the F off would be payment enough for me. I'm just pissed at what they are doing so any move we can make to have this crap blow up in their face would be great. If it is truly done then fine but if there is still a possibility we can get shut down then it might not be a bad idea to go on offense.
I, personally, think things with them are FAR from over. I've recently heard from a couple different sources that Nabeem suddenly wants me banned from 3SI. He's also told me I'm not allowed to post anything for the NG because it's a "for profit" event. FOR PROFIT! Can you believe that?! What I wouldn't give for it to make some profit!
green-lantern
10-30-2010, 08:01 PM
I, personally, think things with them are FAR from over. I've recently heard from a couple different sources that Nabeem suddenly wants me banned from 3SI. He's also told me I'm not allowed to post anything for the NG because it's a "for profit" event. FOR PROFIT! Can you believe that?! What I wouldn't give for it to make some profit!
I can believe it because he knows nothing about the board. There is 35,196 members that could have told them that LW was a bad choice as a mod. NG not being a grass roots meet? WTF? Every time he posts it shows he doesn't know the pulse of the place so yeah I guess I can believe it.
CoopKill
10-30-2010, 08:10 PM
Is NG licensed as a non-profit?
No, it's not. And I told him that, but explained why... It's just a matter of all the legalities and paperwork. None of the other "grassroots" events are licensed non-profits, either, so he shouldn't be holding that against us. God help me, I hope he never literally holds ANYTHING against me. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww Icky, icky thought.
Valhallaz
10-30-2010, 11:11 PM
I, personally, think things with them are FAR from over. I've recently heard from a couple different sources that Nabeem suddenly wants me banned from 3SI. He's also told me I'm not allowed to post anything for the NG because it's a "for profit" event. FOR PROFIT! Can you believe that?! What I wouldn't give for it to make some profit!
So... Carried to it's natural conclusion, NO event can be posted on 3si... Because god forbid someone may make a buck.
How about posting upcoming car shows? Or a track event? Will the track have to be a registered non profit?
Which event or meet is a licensed "Non profit"?
Way to keep the community informed, AF. Your consideration is touching... Really.
CoopKill
10-30-2010, 11:48 PM
I have a feeling they will have to delete a lot of posts that contain NG info... :suspect:
blindmist
10-31-2010, 12:05 AM
So... Carried to it's natural conclusion, NO event can be posted on 3si... Because god forbid someone may make a buck.
How about posting upcoming car shows? Or a track event? Will the track have to be a registered non profit?
Which event or meet is a licensed "Non profit"?
Way to keep the community informed, AF. Your consideration is touching... Really.
I would like to see them ban all the people that are going to start posting shit for NG.
brutten
10-31-2010, 01:18 AM
What about the people that frequent both places putting it in the signatures they use.
brutten, WHAT A FANTASTIC IDEA!!! You took the words right out of my mouth!! A little bird (I won't mention names, but if he wants credit he'll post here) gave me some information that we're working with. In the meantime, feel free. Thanks!!! The more people that do it, the more we get the word out there!
And thanks again for the support, guys. It means a lot to me. Nabeem has treated me like I'm some psycho woman who doesn't listen to a thing he says and who all of 3SI wants to see banned because they supposedly don't care about the NG or receiving information about it. It's nice to know you guys want it and support me.... And hopefully don't think I'm psycho. Crazy maybe, but not psycho. ;)
Now if only we had a banner ad that everyone could use........ hmmmmm... Anyone interested in creating something for us?
CoopKill
10-31-2010, 01:33 AM
Ahhh, E-Hugs for the crazy lady! :wink:
CoopKill
10-31-2010, 01:35 AM
I think if it were logo-ed it would get an instant ban and be counter productive to the cause...
You're probably right. But maybe someone could do me a favor and come up with something quick and easy anyway?
DocWalt
10-31-2010, 01:48 AM
What do you want as a banner? The 3SGTO logo overlayed on an NG banner? or? I'm confused as to what you want exactly. I can try making something, but I'm no graphic designer.
edit: like the 3sng banner up top, but with a 3sgto logo as a sponsor?
Alan92RTTT
10-31-2010, 01:59 AM
I just yelled into the next room to ask lori.
Don't worry about fancy graphics as this will be a place holder till the official logo is done.
Right now she just wants a basic banner with the following information:
Name
Dates
Title sponsor
ng website.
Since I will be adding it here I'd like it to be about 468x60 ish.
green-lantern
10-31-2010, 02:10 AM
What about the people that frequent both places putting it in the signatures they use.
The people that frequent NG will be on this website but yeah put in every sig you got.
CoopKill
10-31-2010, 02:27 AM
LOL, I can't seem to edit my sig, options, or profile. It goes to a blank white page... Or my avatar...
green-lantern
10-31-2010, 02:46 AM
LOL, I can't seem to edit my sig, options, or profile. It goes to a blank white page... Or my avatar...
Because Alan sold this site to Auto Forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CoopKill
10-31-2010, 03:04 AM
Because Alan sold this site to Auto Forums!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was referring to the other site, but close enough! LOL
DocWalt
10-31-2010, 03:17 AM
Yeah, I reported that bug. I typoed something in my profile, lol.
Alan92RTTT
10-31-2010, 03:39 AM
LOL, I can't seem to edit my sig, options, or profile. It goes to a blank white page... Or my avatar...
Was referring to the other site, but close enough! LOL
They broke it again ...
reallyxxxxxxloud
10-31-2010, 10:07 AM
hahahahaha yes its doesn't work... The sites going down the shitter...
Maybe it was "broken" intentional so the sig couldn't be changed? :rolleyes3:
Edit: I went to my 3si User CP and checked it out and NOTHING can be edited. The only link that works is "Paid Subscriptions".
You've GOT to be kidding.
green-lantern
10-31-2010, 12:20 PM
:lol: ......
JasonY
10-31-2010, 12:20 PM
Yeah, i cant edit anything either...
Jason
Alan92RTTT
10-31-2010, 12:25 PM
They just broke profile.php again. Its happens every few months.
green-lantern
10-31-2010, 12:37 PM
You don't think it was done on purpose?
JohnnyTurbo
10-31-2010, 01:08 PM
Hey Alan, here is a quick banner for you to consider.
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/924/ng11banner480x60.jpg
Alan92RTTT
10-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Can you redo it removing dejon and adding 3sgto?
Wait. Yes, we need to remove Dejon. But 3SGTO should be smaller and listed after all the event sponsors until their event sponsorship is official.
green-lantern
10-31-2010, 03:44 PM
Wait. Yes, we need to remove Dejon. But 3SGTO should be smaller and listed after all the event sponsors until their event sponsorship is official.
Yeah I wouldn't trust that 3sgto guy ether....
lol The problem is that we don't know if that event will be able to happen... But ok - just replace Dejon with 3SGTO. Thank you!!
JohnnyTurbo
10-31-2010, 04:38 PM
Can you redo it removing dejon and adding 3sgto?DEJON gone, 3SGTO added. Sorry about the delay, we went out for a late breakfast and just got back.
CoopKill
10-31-2010, 05:52 PM
I linked the one in Alan's sig to my profile page. The only place I could.
Please don't apologize. I'm grateful for you doing this for us. I'll owe ya one.
93STLTH
10-31-2010, 10:58 PM
Haha, well. I got my car in June of 06' but didn't trust driving it as I assumed it hadn't had the 60k done. So, I wasn't about to drive it to Vegas. Then the next two years, yeah, sadly health problems. Gladly it won't ever be a problem again.
Actually, I meant the 3 owners in Utah that you would drag to the WCNC.
Incog
11-01-2010, 01:48 AM
Actually, I meant the 3 owners in Utah that you would drag to the WCNC.
Wait, you're saying I'm not the only owner in Utah?
$$$PIT
11-01-2010, 01:18 PM
It might be partially my fault that the edit options don't work. I posted this the other day: http://www.3si.org/forum/f174/forum-problems-507857/#post6066919
Obviously he didn't like my signature either. I can't remember exactly how it was worded, but it said something like Non-supporting member of this site until the NG is supported. :)
Right after that is when the other posts about editing problems started.
Chris@Rvengeperformance
11-01-2010, 01:56 PM
wow we can't edit our signatures now? It is a good thing I host all my images on chrisbehnken.com, they'll be moved soon, LOL.
well, no more images from me on 3si, fixed.
eljefefx
11-01-2010, 01:59 PM
There is a problem going on right now that we are working on regarding the UCP. Hopefully we'll make some headway with it by the end of the week.
It might be partially my fault that the edit options don't work. I posted this the other day: http://www.3si.org/forum/f174/forum-problems-507857/#post6066919
Obviously he didn't like my signature either. I can't remember exactly how it was worded, but it said something like Non-supporting member of this site until the NG is supported. :)
Right after that is when the other posts about editing problems started.
I doubt it was your fault. A lot of eyes can read what gets posted on here, so do you really think any proposed actions involving the NG would even get off the ground on 3si? . I'm just saying.......
Atrosity
11-01-2010, 03:12 PM
Seems like 3SI is trying so hard to keep the community together. It makes me chuckle like this :lol:.
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