Making a Murderer: Let's talk conspiracy

[j2k4]

Anyone watching Making a Murderer?

I have two episodes yet to watch, but while many questions remain about Steven Avery, the purported behavior of the authorities smells of fish, and the entirety of their conduct resembles nothing so much as a conspiracy.

It really is shocking; the implications are absolutely harrowing.

[futurevr4man]

I watched/listened to an episode or two while I was at a friends playing cards. I'll probably watch it from the beginning.

I guess I am in the minority that I'm not surprised about any of it. I have always thought, and will always think, that cops abuse their power and can (not that they always do) make anything look like anything.I don't like cops. I don't like the government we have here either. It's too much power in too few of people in my opinion.

[j2k4]

This goes soooooooooooo far beyond the typical 'bad cop(s)' scenario, though...it seems there were (are!) a few officers at the core of this, but the apparent ease with which the entire law enforcement community became thoroughly unified on the issue of persecuting Avery is almost beyond belief.

One realizes Making a Murderer is a tale assembled by Avery-centric interests, but nonetheless, it raises profound questions about law enforcement in Wisconsin.

There are a few unrelated but similar stories to be told as well, but I don't want to muddy the thread with them at this point.

[donniekak]

An armed militia should schedule a jail break. The government should then accept it as the will of the people.

[GrabberOrange]

I've heard a bit about and plan on doing the typical Netflix binge with it in a few days but it's not really that surprising to me. That said, our justice system definitely swings both ways, guilty people get off all the time (or get much shorter than deserved sentences) on some sort of technicality, and innocent people go to jail because of corrupt system. Because we have corrupt people, we need black and white laws, because of black and white laws there's more chance loop holes.

[j2k4]

That said, our justice system definitely swings both ways, guilty people get off all the time (or get much shorter than deserved sentences) on some sort of technicality, and innocent people go to jail because of corrupt system. Because we have corrupt people, we need black and white laws, because of black and white laws there's more chance loop holes.

True enough, but this is the first such instance to be be so widely presented and minutely examined, and thus subject to popular judgement.

Of all the potential ramifications, the fact this perpetuates the legal profession even more is also very disturbing; the idea that lawyers will have MORE avenues to insinuate themselves...

[RealMcCoy]

This goes soooooooooooo far beyond the typical 'bad cop(s)' scenario, though...it seems there were (are!) a few officers at the core of this, but the apparent ease with which the entire law enforcement community became thoroughly unified on the issue of persecuting Avery is almost beyond belief.

One realizes Making a Murderer is a tale assembled by Avery-centric interests, but nonetheless, it raises profound questions about law enforcement in Wisconsin.

There are a few unrelated but similar stories to be told as well, but I don't want to muddy the thread with them at this point.

I haven't watched the show, and have no personal knowledge of the situation, and I didn't even spend the night in a Holiday Inn last night... From what I've read floating around the internet (so it must be true...), The guys biggest problem was he had literally nobody in his corner. The entire community considered him a dirt-bag, assumed he was probably guilty, and didn't give a rats ass if he went away...

It's pretty easy for someone willing to bend the rules to do so when they feel like the whole world is cheering them on...

Doesn't make it right, and it looks like it may have blown up in their faces in a big way.

[j2k4]

Larry, he and his entire family are pitifully undermanned intellectually; this fact is amply demonstrated throughout the presentation.

They have a fully-equipped auto salvage yard, for example, but there's no indication any of them has even to brainpower necessary to manage it.

It's easy to picture them as 'village-idiots' of long-standing, constantly and historically subject to suspicion and ridicule; it seems this fact greatly aided the authorities.

[murphys_law]

A few observations:

Obviously the producers of the series are highly biased and are trying to portray steven as innocent.

I have done a bit of exploration outside of the documentary and there are a few things that are somewhat important that were left out.

That being said I couldn't get past the one cop(lenk I think it was) calling in the license plate of the rav4 2-3 days ahead of time.

That to me is absolutely insane and there is no way I could have convicted him "without a reasonable doubt." As the law says.

Is he guilty? I dont know. I would say its 50/50, but theres no way I could have convicted him.

I have a very negative view of most law enforcement, and as some have said above I think they tend to abuse their power.

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[j2k4]

I finished watching Making a Murderer tonight after a day of scattered coverage/commentary about it from various news outlets, Foxnews primarily, but several others as well.

I have satellite TV at my work station; don't believe I've mentioned that outside of chat...anyway:

The driest look at the documentary must acknowledge that nothing specifically weighs against Avery's (and Dassey's) possible guilt; the question of an alternative fate for Teresa Halbach is barely mentioned, much less explored.

There were, on the news shows/interweb, several intimations the Averys are/were nothing but an inbred clan of hoodlums.

It bears pointing out none of that none of that has the slightest to do with any legal aspect or standard as to guilt, and in court, a judge would (should?) instruct a jury to disregard such speculations.

After watching this series, however, I've gotten the impression judges in Manitowoc and Calumet counties would insist their juries to be immersed in news coverage, interspersed with lots of 'man-on-the-street' interviews.

The entire legal apparatus in southeast Wisconsin seems to have been generated from the other end of a wormhole to the Bizarro universe...the fact legal practices exist that are at minimum questionable and range regularly to outrageous so far outstrips the Avery story itself...it's the literal equivalent of The Twilight Zone.

Absolutely, comprehensively stupifying in scope.

Frankly, after watching Making a Murderer, the Avery story, fascinating though it might be, is a mere sidelight to the rest; it doesn't matter what might have been left out in order to slant things Avery's way, the indictment of the people running the legal circus is utterly complete.

[donniekak]

Dig a little deeper, in different areas and you find the same things, it's disgusting. Try reading some legal briefs of overturned cases. I've had the experience of meeting some very "colorful" people in my life, many of whom had some color added for years by the state correctional system. Most of them are what they are, but a few have had stories I swore were made up in how they were railroaded, sadly they weren't.

[j2k4]

Dig a little deeper, in different areas and you find the same things, it's disgusting. Try reading some legal briefs of overturned cases. I've had the experience of meeting some very "colorful" people in my life, many of whom had some color added for years by the state correctional system. Most of them are what they are, but a few have had stories I swore were made up in how they were railroaded, sadly they weren't.

Oh, granted, to be sure, but not every such instance is gonna get the Netflix treatment.