2015 3S National Gathering Mega Thread

[Alan92RTTT]

All of the information you need(that we've released) in one place. This thread will be updated as information is finalized.

What: The 3000GT/Stealth National Gathering is the largest 3S specific event in the world. This is a full auto event not just a car show. We have 3 driving events (Drag Races, Autocross and Road Course), A Car show in a special location(we'll let you know soon). A T-Shirt created for the event. A Special discount rate on hotel . And an awards banquet to top it off. We've also got a huge raffle with prizes from all sponsors and several smaller events.

When: June 23 - 27, 2015
Where: Bowling Green, Ky
Registration: 3S National Gathering - June 23 - 27, 2015 (http://www.3sng.org/signup/)
Whos Coming (http://www.3sng.org/signup/summary.php)

We will be using the National Corvette Musem motorsports park (http://www.motorsportspark.org/) for our Road Course and Autocross events.
Drag Race Information Pending

Registration:
Who's coming:

Event Sponsors:

Title: 3SX (http://3sx.com/)
AutoCross: Maximal Performance (http://www.maximalperformance.com/)
Banquet: Four40 Designs (four40designs.com) (formerly Broomfield Racing)
Car Show: 3000GT / Stealth / GTO Forum (http://www.3sgto.org)
Drag Race: Your Company Name could go here
Road Course: Morgans Motorsports



Gold Sponsors:




Associate Sponsors:

Duttch & SypderGirl
Gonzo Hydrographics (http://hydro.gonzoinc.com/)


Schedule:
Tuesday, June 23rd

1-3pm: Registration at Official Hotel
5pm: Gates open for Drag Racing at Beech Bend Raceway
6pm: Drag Racing begins
7 – 9pm: Registration at Official Hotel
9:15pm: Welcome Meeting


Wednesday, June 24th

8am: Caravan assembles for Road Course Event
8:05am: Caravan departs for Road Course Event
8:15am: Required Driver’s Meeting and Tech Inspection
9am – 5:30pm: Road Course event at NCM, sponsored by Morgan’s Motorsports
5:30-7:30pm: Set-up for AutoCross event – volunteers needed!
7:30-8:30pm: Registration at Official Hotel
9pm: Welcome Meeting

Thursday, June 25th

7:30 – 8:00am: Event registration at Main Hotel
8:00am: Caravan assembles for AutoCross Event
8:15am: Caravan arrives for AutoCross Event
8:30am: Driver’s Walk-Through on course for AutoCross Event
9:30am – 5pm: AutoCross Event at NCM Skid Pad

Friday, June 27th

Schedule-Free Day!!

Free Day Suggestions:
Prep your car for the car show – gotta look good for Cars & Coffee!
Sleep In
Check out Beech Bend Amusement Park
Electric Go-Karts in Nashville
Go to the National Corvette Museum
ENJOY YOURSELF
Don’t drive Lori crazy – you’ll live to regret it !!!
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Saturday, June 28th

8:10am: Gather at main hotel for caravan to Car Show
8:20am: Caravan leaves for Car Show
8:30-10:30am: Car Show Event, sponsored by 3000GT / Stealth / GTO Forum (http://www.3sgto.org)
6pm-9:30pm: Banquet at, sponsored by Four:40 Designs

Sunday

Head home


We have not finalized pricing yet for 2015. These are the 2014 prices for reference. Road Course will be higher as we will be having a full day at the track not a half day.
http://www.3sng.org/images/prices.png

Hotel rooms:
$69 per room.


Drag Race Helmet and Roll Bar requirements.
The dragstrip follows NHRA standards so this should apply

NHRA RULE AMMENDMENTS MADE FROM THE END OF THE 2014 SEASON TO THE BEGINNING OF THE 2015 SEASON
14 SECTION 4A: SUPER PRO, PRO, SPORTSMAN, DRIVER: 10, HELMET (Page 8)
For all 10.00 to 13.99 closed bodied cars, either an open face or a full face Snell M2005, M2010, K2005, SA2005, SA2010, SFI 31.1/2005, or
41.1/2005 helmet with or without a shield is mandatory.

ROLLBAR
Rollbar mandatory in all cars(including T-tops)running11.00 to 11.49,in convertibles running 11.00 to 13.49
How the track plans to enforce these rules is not something we can comment on.


NCM Helmet Requirments
SA 2005+.

Road Course Track Day Insurance
NCM offers track day insurance for your car. HPDE INSURANCE (http://www.ncminsurance.com/hpde)
Steve found there is a setup issue when trying to get the insurance. We will check into that and post details when its ready.

[IPD]

subbed.

Is the t-shirt design finalized? If I sponsor, can I have one of the 3/s's on it be purple? :D

[CoopKill]

subbed.

Is the t-shirt design finalized? If I sponsor, can I have one of the 3/s's on it be purple? :D

You need to take a sabaticle, and get your ass over here to attend...

Alan, money in hand causing more irritation than an STD!

[IPD]

You need to take a sabaticle, and get your ass over here to attend...

Alan, money in hand causing more irritation than an STD!

Scheduled to be moving in August. Not going to dick around with ping-pong across the pond if I can help it. And besides, my poor 3/s still is waiting on its extra .5L.

[DrGonzo]

$100 per room, is that per night or for the full 5 days?

[2fnloud]

per night

[DrGonzo]

Damn, I may have to look into doing my own hotel then. I'm looking more along the lines of $50 a night. I can't justify paying $100 a night for something I may only spend 6-7 hours in a day...

[CoopKill]

Can't find a $50/night hotel that a doctor visit would not be needed after here.

[2fnloud]

Find a roommate, my first year, I had:

Myself
Martin Swooger and his wife
Dave
Nathan

[Alan92RTTT]

hold on....

Hotel is not final.

We hope to keep the price to no more than $100 per night. That does not mean the price will be $100 per night.

Our goal for hotel is a decent hotel aka not the Ritz and not motel 6.

We negotiate a group rate that is normally better than you can on your own. The price will be competitive for a decent hotel for the area.


So just relax till we get this sorted out.

[IPD]

WTF is wrong with motel 6? I've stayed in some pretty nice ones in my time.

[Alan92RTTT]

Have you ever seen a motel 6 with a banquet/meeting room?

[CoopKill]

Lolz!

[dbest671]

We live about two hours (+/- for however you drive :suspect) from where NG is being held. We have four extra bedrooms for responsible adults LOL. So, if you're not allergic to cats or dogs, and need a place to stay, we're open.

[DrGonzo]

My brother is two hours from there in Southern Ill. I'm leaving Sat and driving to his place to visit a few days then heading back to KY. But driving back and forth everyday two hours is a lot of driving. So I'll end up getting a place. I get a lot of work discounts and stuff so I'll look into who we use out in that area as I should be able to get a room for the week for under $50 a night. I'm not planning on a roommate for this trip as most of regular NC crew doesn't look to be making the trip.

One way or another I'll be there even if I end up camping in the truck! :p

[2fnloud]

Or bunk up with someone on here that you talk to regularly, I never meet anyone from my group, just was willing to help some fellow enthusiasts save some money, made good friendships as well.

[R/T93]

Isnt NC like...one state away from KY? Terrible that they arent ALL going!

I understand why no one west of Nebraska goes...wait, no I dont, they all should go.

Convince them.

[DrGonzo]

Two states away. It is an 8 hour drive from where I am at. Some only have a 6 hour drive. For a lot of the members it is Finances or timing that are preventing them from going.

[Alan92RTTT]

IMO, you will regret not staying with us at the official hotel. Think what BRG would be like if you did not stay with the group.

I would bet that someone you know from the BRG will be coming and will be willing to share a room.

[Beau_Jester]

When do you think registration will open with a schedule of events? Another SOB at work already booked that week for his vacation so I need to barter some days off to least make the road course and autocross.

[Alan92RTTT]

Road Course will be Wednesday
Autocross will be Thursday

[CoopKill]

Well I have been struck again by the NG gremlinz.

I will not be attending due to my lovely County pulling out on a grandfather clause for my shop. As of now it appears this will cost me around 6k on the low side, and up to 13k on the high. When I built the shop the only permits required were electrical due to no concrtete making it a non-permanent structure. I have been getting mail with photos of it now having concrete, and they are no longer allowing any AG buildings without permits. They are also going after all buildings built within 10yrs forcing the new hurricane shear limits. (no issue there) Since I built it pole building style, and compacted crushed gravel around the poles I have to get it reverse engineered, and may need to alter the pole base structures to '08 standards. My shop is 9 years f-ing old!

Crushed... :(

Consider my road course entry my support...

[Zucchini]

Alan, are you guys close to getting registration up and running or are you still working out some kinks? I'm gettin antsy here. :smile2:

[Alan92RTTT]

Waiting on hotel contract.

Hoping for call back from drag strip today.

[DrGonzo]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/59438837.jpg

[DrGonzo]

Another week goes by and.....

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=235758&d=1420992679

[Alan92RTTT]

We locked in the dragstrip on Friday.

We hope to open registration on Sunday 3/29

[DrGonzo]

Really glad to see the Hotel pricing down to $69 a night! Great Job NG Crew!! :applause:

[green-lantern]

What are the rules for the road course? Like PPE (helmet etc.) and for the car? I poked around on the site and didn't find anything.

[Sinister1]

So.. I'm 5 hours away. and would LOVE to attend but this is all new to me. can I ask a few questions? I wouldn't be able to stay the entire time, but was thinking about trying to come say,, Fri. & Sat. I'd like to see or participate in the car show, and maybe something else. Would I need to register for that and pay $100? And if I brought my family, would I have to pay for each person over 14? Do I need to register to get the discounted hotel rate? again, just not sure what I NEED to do to come and join in for a couple days Thanks, Scott

[green-lantern]

What are the rules for the road course? Like PPE (helmet etc.) and for the car? I poked around on the site and didn't find anything.


Another week goes by and.....

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=235758&d=1420992679

......

[dbest671]

So.. I'm 5 hours away. and would LOVE to attend but this is all new to me. can I ask a few questions? I wouldn't be able to stay the entire time, but was thinking about trying to come say,, Fri. & Sat. I'd like to see or participate in the car show, and maybe something else. Would I need to register for that and pay $100? And if I brought my family, would I have to pay for each person over 14? Do I need to register to get the discounted hotel rate? again, just not sure what I NEED to do to come and join in for a couple days Thanks, Scott

You and anybody you bring that's 14+ has to pay the registration cost of $100/person ($50 5-13yrs). You get the hotel information after you register. AFAIK, there is no "weekender" package.

[green-lantern]

You and anybody you bring that's 14+ has to pay the registration cost of $100/person ($50 5-13yrs). You get the hotel information after you register. AFAIK, there is no "weekender" package.

Nice ninja edit

[dbest671]

That's because the registration prices changed sometime today... but my ninja edit is really changing "are" to "that's" :p. Plus, I cannot grammar so most of my posts are ninja edits LOL.

I started registering, but I don't have the license plate numbers remembered and I didn't feel like going downstairs at that moment.

[green-lantern]

That's because the registration prices changed sometime today...

No they didn't


You and anybody you bring over the age of 5 has to pay the registration cost of $100/person. You get the hotel information after you register. AFAIK, there is no "weekender" package.

http://i.imgur.com/YnB25wy.png

As from the beginning

[dbest671]

There was no $50 option for people 5-13yrs when I looked last night or earlier today. I swear I never saw that $50 option if it was there, and I studied the prices because of conversation elsewhere.

And if you weren't subscribed to the thread, you would have never have know my original post because I changed it in literally 30 sec after I posted. Then I went back in and edited it again, and that why there is an edit timestamp :p

[DrGonzo]

I don't know my plate number either so I just entered in 123456 for the time being...:p I'll change it once I pay for the race options I am going to do.

[Alan92RTTT]

Plate can be put in any time before the event. If you leave it black we'll get you at registration.

We just want it in case we need to find the owner at the event. (get it moved, someone has a question, god forbid it got hurt.)



And as paul said pricing has not changed since registration opened.

[TLVDoghouse]

Did road course rules ever get disclosed? Might make a big difference in getting the registration numbers up since it's just a lil bit o' money. I'm waiting so I can commit without a fubar from not being prepared.
7871

[Alan92RTTT]

What rules are you looking for? Tech requirements for the car or something else?

[TLVDoghouse]

Vehicle and driver technical is good. Don't want to show-up in flip-flops and get kicked out for non-compliance.

Also, since my first event, what does $200 buy? Number of laps, rules, amount of time, etc.? I ALWAYS drive IAW the respective state regulations, so going faster than 90 mph has only been done once in New Mexico, somewhere outside Roswell....lol

Thanks,
Rob

[2fnloud]

This is on a closed circuit track, if it is your firs time, I would recommend the beginners group, UNLESS THINGS CHANGED... The beginners get a coached ride-a-long from an experienced driver, then the same coach rides along with you and coaches while you drive.

You must have closed toed shoes, and long pants for clothing

[B-Man]

Don't forget a SNELL approved helmet.

[95gto]

Closed toed shoes
Long pants
Shirt with sleeves, short and long sleeves are fine, tank tops and Larry the Cable Guy cut offs = no
Snell approved helmet

[Alan92RTTT]

Updated 1st post with details on drag race rules and Road Course HPDE insurance for your car.

[Alan92RTTT]

Vehicle and driver technical is good. Don't want to show-up in flip-flops and get kicked out for non-compliance.

Also, since my first event, what does $200 buy? Number of laps, rules, amount of time, etc.? I ALWAYS drive IAW the respective state regulations, so going faster than 90 mph has only been done once in New Mexico, somewhere outside Roswell....lol

Thanks,
Rob
We will have the track for about 8 hours.
We will have 3 full time run groups(beginner, some experience and experienced) and the touring session groups.
Groups go onto the track in 15 minute sessions.

The touring groups will have two sessions. They will have the option to upgrade to beginner and finish the day in that group. (upgrade price will be $150 or $190 depending on when you registered. )

The rest of the time will be divided among the other 3 groups. We will get as many session and time and track condition allow.

Car must be in good shape no leaks. (watch for a post with more details on that soon)
Closed toe shoes.
long pants
helmet


There will be a break for lunch mid day.

[95gto]

Thank you for getting the insurance option for us!

[DocWalt]

Since I can never find it... What classes are there for autocross and what are their rules?

[95gto]

Since I can never find it... What classes are there for autocross and what are their rules?

Under the event selection menu in registration you have three boxes; Event, Vehicle, and Driver. When you select Autocross in the event box, additional information pops up on the screen below the first three boxes.

The first item below the initial three boxes says "Autocross Class Selection" and has a button next to it labeled "Details". Clicking that button shows you the full classing system used for the event.

Below the class selection details button there are four boxes; Suspension, Engine, Tires, and Weight Reduction. Your selections in these boxes determine your class.

Under Suspension your choices are Stock Springs, Lowering Springs, and Coilovers. Please note that sleeve and spring coilovers like what Ground Control sells are considered Coilovers and not just Lowering Springs.

Under Engine you have Naturally Aspirated, Stock Turbos(9B's), or Upgraded Turbos. Fairly self-explanatory.

Under Tires you have the choice of Street Tires or Race Tires. If your tires have a tread wear rating below 200 they are considered race tires. Special restrictions may be placed on the recently "reformulated" auto-x tires that magically changed from a 180 rating to a 200 rating to match the recent SCCA rule changes.

Under Weight Reduction you have two choices, Full Weight or Gutted. If you have stripped your interior, aside from just the rear hatch area stuff like the floor cover and plastic trays, you are considered gutted.

As part of the tech process we will verify class accuracy.



If you have additional questions let me know. :bigthumb:


Edit: If you bring anything other than a 3/S you are classified as "Other" which is just one big group with essentially no restrictions or limitations. So yes a Smart Car would have to battle out against a Z06.

[DocWalt]

Under the event selection menu in registration you have three boxes; Event, Vehicle, and Driver. When you select Autocross in the event box, additional information pops up on the screen below the first three boxes.

The first item below the initial three boxes says "Autocross Class Selection" and has a button next to it labeled "Details". Clicking that button shows you the full classing system used for the event.

Below the class selection details button there are four boxes; Suspension, Engine, Tires, and Weight Reduction. Your selections in these boxes determine your class.

Under Suspension your choices are Stock Springs, Lowering Springs, and Coilovers. Please note that sleeve and spring coilovers like what Ground Control sells are considered Coilovers and not just Lowering Springs.

Under Engine you have Naturally Aspirated, Stock Turbos(9B's), or Upgraded Turbos. Fairly self-explanatory.

Under Tires you have the choice of Street Tires or Race Tires. If your tires have a tread wear rating below 200 they are considered race tires. Special restrictions may be placed on the recently "reformulated" auto-x tires that magically changed from a 180 rating to a 200 rating to match the recent SCCA rule changes.

Under Weight Reduction you have two choices, Full Weight or Gutted. If you have stripped your interior, aside from just the rear hatch area stuff like the floor cover and plastic trays, you are considered gutted.

As part of the tech process we will verify class accuracy.



If you have additional questions let me know. :bigthumb:


Edit: If you bring anything other than a 3/S you are classified as "Other" which is just one big group with essentially no restrictions or limitations. So yes a Smart Car would have to battle out against a Z06.

I ask because I was curious what would move a 3/S around. I know I'm in "other" ;)

[Alan92RTTT]

Since I can never find it... What classes are there for autocross and what are their rules?

For you, "Other" ;)


Unless you have a running 3S I did not know about.

[Alan92RTTT]

http://www.3sgto.org/3s-national-gathering/7946-2012-3s-ng-autocross-class-matrix.html

[2fnloud]

Thank you for getting the insurance option for us!

Have you been able to find our event? I can't not find it on their site

[95gto]

Have you been able to find our event? I can't not find it on their site

Just tried the site and it does not list our event. May have to call them directly to purchase a policy.

[R/T93]

Why does it have to be supplied by the event? Just Google track insurance and buy some for the day we are there.

[anyonebutme]

Soooooo, what us the sound limit for ng road course?

[Nationalmilkman]

Slightly less than "brap brap"?

[DocWalt]

http://cincyscca.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/Race/NCM_Rules.pdf

No idea why it was so difficult to find that, it's nowhere on the NCM site.

[JasonY]

Sound Limits
:
NCM retains the right to impose noise restrictions on participating cars, motorcycles and karts. While no specific noise restrictions are to be enforced without NCM’s written notice, NCM may at any time and at its sole discretion, choose to impose a noise control system. Such limits are likely to be similar to those operated by the Sports Car Club of America at their National race events. These require that vehicles comply with a sound pressure level of 103db “A” frequency weighted (dba) measured on a fast response setting at 50ft (=/-2 feet) from the edge of the track pavement. (See SCCA 2005 GCR’s Section 12)

Jason

[green-lantern]

F-that wide open!

[DocWalt]

We were running a soundmeter at our local autocross today, I was surprised how loud 98db is. Though some cars really set it off where earsplittingly loud go-karts were well within the limits... All in tone of sound, I guess. 103db is pretty loud from 50ft lol.

[anyonebutme]

I can let you know exactly how loud 105+ db is, lol.

[DrGonzo]

I got my hotel reservations all set. I need to go through and sign up for the events. Probably knock that out this week sometime.

We must have some slack asses seeing as there is still only 13 people registered... :p

[DocWalt]

NG Hype!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7gv53AMM3o

[Alan92RTTT]

Nice find. That is almost the track layout we will be using.

[DocWalt]

What differences are there? Are we going to use the chicane on the front straight?

[95gto]

What differences are there? Are we going to use the chicane on the front straight?

Hopefully as that chicane is all kinds of awesome.

[DocWalt]

Hopefully as that chicane is all kinds of awesome.

I'd be ok either way since the GTI isn't fast enough that I'll have to lift in the chicane, lol. The chicane looks awesome though, agreed. Should be a blast either way, the infield looks awesome.

[green-lantern]

NG Hype!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7gv53AMM3o

Why are his dash lights flashing the whole time?

[B-Man]

Why are his dash lights flashing the whole time?

Probably LED backlights interacting with camera sample time.

[Pecunia-VORAGO]

Does this mean its a no go for the Go Karts in Nashville?

[DrGonzo]

Finally got around to signing up for my events. Drag Race, Auto Cross and Road Course Touring Lap.

I said what the hell and signed up for the Autocross, Never done it before so we'll see how many cones are left on the course after I'm done with it...LOL.

I only signed up for the Touring Lap for the time being as I don't know how the car will run. Once I do the lap and can get a feel for the car on the track I'll decide whether or not to upgrade to the full package.

[Alan92RTTT]

Does this mean its a no go for the Go Karts in Nashville?

At this point there is no official go-karts.

There is time in the schedule and a great track in Nashville that we could go to as an unofficial event.

[B-Man]

I think it's been discussed a bit, but I'd like to double check. This will be the LAST year SN2005 helmets will pass tech, correct?

[B-Man]

Also, did anyone confirm track insurance?

[Alan92RTTT]

Lori is talking to the track about that. We hope to have an answer soon.

[J-Groove]

Registered and paid. Woot! My first NG!

-John

[Alan92RTTT]

Come on John you can't come all the way to KY and not run any race events. You should at least to the touring lap road course group.

[J-Groove]

Come on John you can't come all the way to KY and not run any race events. You should at least to the touring lap road course group.

I would, but I won't be getting in until Thursday. The road coarse in on Wednesday. Trust me, I'd be all about the road coarse if I was there. :(

I'm only taking off Thursday and Friday from work.

-John

[green-lantern]

I'm only taking off Thursday and Friday from work.

-John

I suggest taking off Tuesday and Wednesday also :p

[J-Groove]

I suggest taking off Tuesday and Wednesday also :p

I would if I could. Work projects that week.

-John

[vitalivr4]

registered

[Beau_Jester]

Just registered and signed up for Autocross and Road course. Had a hard time arranging time off so Drags are not likely. Working a midnight shift finishing at 6:30am on Tuesday the 23rd then driving down later that day. I think it is only a 5 hour drive though. I am probably bringing an untested car that I have been working on for about a year; 93 Stealth RT/TT. Have DR650s/550cc/GM blow thru and a hot wired Supra pump. I have the car running with Chrome/MAF Translator but it is not really tuned. Also, the AC compressor is bad but I may not have time to change it. I also kept the AW steering by installing a 3SX rebuilt rear unit, but I initially used synthetic oil in the steering system and it is leaking out of the rear unit seals. I have been pumping in Dextron to try and get the seals to swell but so far it is not working (months). If I don't get this fixed I may have to bring my backup car...94 base turbo FWD (the supercharger is gone. 15Gs). Can't be leaking tranny fluid all over the track.

I didn't see any info on hotels on the 3SNG sight. Hopefully that will get emailed to me. I need to make a reservation Never made it to any award banquets at past NGs and it seems this year will not be the exception. Have to leave Saturday morning and go to work that night at 6:30pm.

Tally Ho, my car goes slow.

[futurevr4man]

Alright everyone, calm down, I signed up. Lori can quit threatening me on Facebook now! LOL :p

[green-lantern]

Uh oh, hide hide ye cocks boys

[stealthee]

Nate's from Kentucky. I'm sure he's taken by his sister. :suspect:

LOL

[green-lantern]

Nate's from Kentucky. I'm sure he's taken by his sister but loves little boys. :suspect:

LOL

The only good thing about that ginger coming to NG is he has that fire ass weed growing in his new car.

[CoopKill]

I troll his fb friends... He is in need of no tail.

[green-lantern]

All his friends are doods?!?!?!?!??!

[CoopKill]

Wrong Nate!

[green-lantern]

Got to be :lmao:

[2fnloud]

Is there any reason we can not mount a camera to our helmets? I would be doing the right side, because I can see the risk of it smacking into the driver's window on the left side.

I have a camera that I want to put on the helmet for a First Person View.

[anyonebutme]

Helmet mounted cams are OK.

[Checkered vr4]

I'm sorry to report I will not be racing at the drags this year :( but I do plan to run the road course and hopefully stick around that evening before heading back home. This will be the first NG I won't be able to attend the whole gathering since Geremy was running the event in Michigan. Here is a video to hold you guys over til next year -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9hl9UbjLek&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[DocWalt]

Liking for the video, not for the short attendance. :(

[Lori]

Steve, during which event? Chris, where are you getting your information?

[J-Groove]

Signing up my Dad as a guest. I'm pretty stoked, haven't seen him in almost a year. :)

-John

[2fnloud]

Steve, during which event? Chris, where are you getting your information?
Road Course and Auto-X

[Lori]

I'll need to check the contract. This track has A LOT of rules. I may just ask when we get there...

[anyonebutme]

Steve, during which event? Chris, where are you getting your information?

Pretty much an assumption based on my own helmet cam that I've had for 3 years at events and that there is helmet cam vids of NCM on youtube. SCCA is usually a lot more strict on things like this than private track events and their requirements center around "as long as it doesn't effect the integrity of the helmet or pose a threat of injury (sharp edges or unable to break away)".

[2fnloud]

Pretty much an assumption based on my own helmet cam that I've had for 3 years at events and that there is helmet cam vids of NCM on youtube. SCCA is usually a lot more strict on things like this than private track events and their requirements center around "as long as it doesn't effect the integrity of the helmet or pose a threat of injury (sharp edges or unable to break away)".

I would have the camera tethered to the mount for sure.

[Lori]

If NCM allows it, then I don't have a problem. But the contract with them is extremely long and extensive, so I'll be just asking on-site at the event or just prior. I'm starting a list of questions that people have. That's about the best I can do.

[DrGonzo]

I saw somewhere mention the helmet requirements were something like Snell 2005.... The one I have and have used for a couple years now is ECE 22.05 and never had any issues with it. I have no clue how that crosses over with Snell standards. Anyone have any ideas??

[anyonebutme]

ECE is the European version of DOT motorcycle rating. It does NOT meet the Snell SA standard. IF the track requires an SA rated helmet, even SNELL M will not fly, it has to be a SNELL SA automotive racing helmet, not a motorcycle helmet, and 2005 or newer rating. This is the last year for 2005 rating, in 2016 you MUST have a SA2010 rated helmet or newer. In the past we have let a lot slide, but we are cracking down now. If the rules state snell SA for roadcourse, I have a feeling more than a few people are going to be really pissed when they are told they can't go on track because they failed tech.

AutoX is a different story, but it depends on if the track has a say. In SCCA and NASA autoX, any rated helmet flies, even motorcross, but not those Harley rider skull caps, lol.


I'll take a moment to make something else clear: Your car must pass tech inspection to roadcourse. People did fail last year.

[DocWalt]

Can we please verify the SA vs M ratings ASAP? Like, yesterday... I (and many others) will need to find new helmets ASAP if that's the case.

[DrGonzo]

Does anyone know if the track rents helmets then??? I'll be damned if I'm going to drop $200 on a damn helmet for a $50 touring lap...

Does anyone have the tech inspection sheet as to what all will be inspected? I know leaks is a big no no, but what else? not seeing any of this important information listed anywhere in plain site.

[DocWalt]

Track supposedly sells helmets for $300... Other clubs have had SA required, but we'll have to wait for an answer from Lori or Alan, I guess.

[DrGonzo]

Did a quick google search of the NCM site and found this which shows helmet rental is $25 dollars. 10/10ths (http://www.motorsportspark.org/event/1010ths-or-laps/)

Didn't find a single thing on the site about needing a specific type of helmet for any event. Going to call them tomorrow and get the information directly from them.

[anyonebutme]

3S National Gathering - June 23 - 28, 2015 (http://3sng.org/tech.php)

I'll post the actual sheet in a minute we use. Note it hasn't been updated in years so ignore the helmet part


http://3sng.org/files/NG%20Tech%20Sheet%202013.pdf

Was the #3 google hit for "NG tech inspection" for me.

[Lori]

Greg, I gave you the information about the helmet, which was a direct quote from the track. If everyone starts calling them, we're going to end up with a real problem. I am the liaison, please accept that. I understand this is your first event, so let me explain...

When it comes to track rules, it's up to me to find out what they are. I have a very long, very detailed contract explaining it. I also asked them directly about the helmet requirement, and reported back what they said. If people start calling them to "get it directly from them," a few things happen. First, you make your organizer look like an idiot. That, in turn, will seriously piss her off. Second, they'll get too many phone calls all from the same group and things will not go well for us on the track.

Chris, thank you for posting that. The only update is the helmet rating.

Everyone back off. I feel like I'm being attacked constantly, either over pricing, the website, the rules... PLEASE give it a rest. Here's the quick explanation... I own a retail store. I also plan, organize, and run the NG. In December, I was served with a lawsuit from MY FATHER. Our first court date is this morning. Now... you keep telling me about how you could do this better.

[DocWalt]

Alan posted the helmet info here: http://www.3sgto.org/3s-national-gathering/15548-ng15-june-update.html

It is SA 2005+, no M helmets.

Lori, thanks for all the hard work, it's greatly appreciated. If you need any help, please let me know.

[Alan92RTTT]

Alan posted the helmet info here: http://www.3sgto.org/3s-national-gathering/15548-ng15-june-update.html

It is SA 2005+, no M helmets.

Lori, thanks for all the hard work, it's greatly appreciated. If you need any help, please let me know.

Contents of that post were sent to everyone on the NG list and the 3SGTO list as well.

[DrGonzo]

3S National Gathering - June 23 - 28, 2015 (http://3sng.org/tech.php)

I'll post the actual sheet in a minute we use. Note it hasn't been updated in years so ignore the helmet part


http://3sng.org/files/NG%20Tech%20Sheet%202013.pdf

Was the #3 google hit for "NG tech inspection" for me.

Thanks for posting the links. I'm not seeing a link to that URL anywhere on the NG website.

I searched for NCM tech inspection since I figured it would be the track doing the inspection. I would have ignored that doc if I had come across it since it was from 2013 to be honest.


Greg, I gave you the information about the helmet, which was a direct quote from the track. If everyone starts calling them, we're going to end up with a real problem. I am the liaison, please accept that. I understand this is your first event, so let me explain...

When it comes to track rules, it's up to me to find out what they are. I have a very long, very detailed contract explaining it. I also asked them directly about the helmet requirement, and reported back what they said. If people start calling them to "get it directly from them," a few things happen. First, you make your organizer look like an idiot. That, in turn, will seriously piss her off. Second, they'll get too many phone calls all from the same group and things will not go well for us on the track.


Lori I'm not sure what you are referring to. But you have made no quote to me about helmet rules in this thread. B-man was the first to mention a Snell helmet two months ago but no specifics where brought up until I mentioned something about it in this thread. Not even sure where I heard about the Snell 2005 requirement which is why I questioned it in this thread. Probably overheard something in chat.

The only helmet requirements I see in this thread are for that of the drag strip that Alan added to the first post. Since I didn't see any information in this thread or on the site in regards to the Helmet or Tech inspections I brought it up, Neither subject was directed at you but to the members that have attended in the past for clarification.

This was not an attack against you, it was questions in regards to race requirements that from what I can see had not been disclosed or where not available. With the event being 2 weeks away I wanted to be sure I had everything I needed in order so that I didn't show up to the track and not been able to run. Hey Lori....:p

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/62/6232849763bd163e81486ac2c47a07d3f852a5af91a230b9b4 acb3aed8ebd608.jpg

So the only thing I need to know is does the track rent helmets? Lori or Alan, can you call and find out if they do and what the price per day is. If possible could you get back to me in the next couple days as if they don't then I will need to make some other arrangements to track down a helmet.

[Alan92RTTT]

Helmet info was email via the NG emai and the 3SGTO email this weekend.

I made a post NG15- June updates

And I added it to the 1st post of the the mega thread

[DocWalt]

I never got the email, FYI. If I had I wouldn't have been asking... Though I also hadn't seen the thread posted, so that's my fault.

[DocWalt]

FYI, Saferacer has some rather inexpensive SA2010 helmets, I just picked one up for $150 with my SCCA discount.

[DrGonzo]

Helmet info was email via the NG emai and the 3SGTO email this weekend.

I made a post NG15- June updates

And I added it to the 1st post of the the mega thread

Thanks, and I got the NG newsletter and guess that is where I heard about the Snell 2005, but that was not my original question in this thread. My question concerned Snell vs ECE as I don't know how Snell vs ECE VS DOT crosses over one another and was questioning that. I'm not some helmet guru.... anyonebutme clarified that even though I don't understand most of what he said about SA/M Etc. I then asked if anyone knew if the track rented helmets. Almost every track I have gone to does but wanted to be sure. So not sure how this got all spun out the way it did.....

[anyonebutme]

Snell is a foundation that tests helmet designs and every 5 years puts out new requirements that are more stringent. The have 2 sets of ratings, M for motorcycle, SA for special application which really means car.

SA helmets are designed for multiple impacts against rollbars, so the shell is usually stronger than it's motorcycle counterpart and the impact material inside doesn't crush as easy. It also has a nomex interior for fire resistance and a thicker face shield to protect from fire and debris from breaking through. The eye port on formula type helmets is smaller to lessen the chances of a "Senna" happening and your face getting stabbed by broken car parts in an accident. The important part though is the fire resistance because that is the #1 danger of auto racing (and track days), you're much more likely to encounter fire than helmet impacts.

DOT/ECE is a government rating, and it basically means the helmet will survive a 5 foot drop with a head in it, that's it.

[bridge]

Alritey

Here's the break down.

In years past, tech for road course was performed by ones self. The old honor system.

Lori had to deal with my drunk nagging about road course safety several times at BRG/NG. In 2012, I put together a check list for tech using several groups we run with as a basis along with my bro's input. The first time we (patterson, brent, myself, a couple of others) did tech was at St. Louis. And we greatly stressed decent pads and brake fluid (at least changed within the last year). That tech sheet we used was linked above. At the time, both Snell SA and M helmets were permitted.

However, it should be noted that most groups will only allow SA rated helmets these days with the increase of safety. So I'm not surprised for a track of this caliber only SA 2005+ helmets are allowed.

As mentioned before, your peers did tech for road course. I maybe wrong and lori/alan can clarify since they have the actual contract but i wouldn't plan on NCM employees running tech but us again. And as patterson said, there was some leniency in the past with helmets among other things, but don't expect that this year.

Morally of the story, if your helmet doesn't not say SA 2005, SA 2010, or SA 2015, you will either be renting (based on previous sites i could find says limited helmets are provided for rental) or buying an HJC at the corvette store.

Sorry Nate, i was a lil sleep deprived when i got your text hence my gut was SA rated.

[Maximal]

Building off Bridget's tech info from an experienced track day attendee please don't take that to mean there will be leniency with our group doing it. They are also under stress trying to tech a ton of cars quickly so some things may be missed and not to mention it's not like they can do an in-depth inspection in a parking lot. The organizers do all they can and then some to make sure you and everyone else is safe but you really should go beyond their tech for your own car.

Every year I see someone with issues because their car wasn't in the right shape or they bought the AutoZone platinum pads and thought they would handle the abuse of a track day. Go through your car with a fine tooth comb, buy good pads and rotors even if you have decent ones that are a bit used, change your brake fluid with something decent (I'm purposely not naming brands so this doesn't sound like a sales pitch), torque your lugs obsessively, check your car after every run.

You might think you're invincible and your car is in great shape but shit happens on a track and when you're doing 100+ it's not going to be pretty if even something little breaks. It really bothers me to see people completely ignore this thinking or if you do have to work on your car, rushing through it so you can make the next session. If there's any scenario when you should take your time and double check your work it's during a track day.

With that said I'm getting more and more bummed every day I'm missing this year. :(

[R/T93]

Sweet, SA2015 helmets arent available until Oct 1 this year. This effectively halves the value of the helmet I now have to buy. Maybe I will just rent one at the track for road course and use the M I have for autocross and drags.

[bridge]

Shit, forgot you can only preorder 2015. I need coffee...... or sleep.

[Lori]

... or, in my case, both.

[DrGonzo]

So is the SA 2010 helmet requirement only for the road course? or is it for AutoX also?

I'm only doing the Touring lap for the road course so I can't justify the cost of buying a new helmet. Trying to find someone local I can borrow one from for the week if need be. prefer to not have to rely on the track not having them to rent.

[Alan92RTTT]

Requirement is 2005 or better

[anyonebutme]

Never, and I mean never, retorque your lug nuts with hot wheels. Torque them at the beginning of the day and ignore them until the next day or at night after they cooled completely. Its a great way to snap all your studs.

[R/T93]

Is snell M 2005 ok for autocross and drags? That is the question that was implied.

Will the track be renting helmets the day of the event?

[R/T93]

Also 30 seconds on the phone with Mitch from the track confirmed that facilities will be open on our track day with helmets available to rent for 25 dollars. They have about 15 total.

That wasn't so hard.

[green-lantern]

Also 30 seconds on the phone with Mitch from the track confirmed that facilities will be open on our track day with helmets available to rent for 25 dollars. They have about 15 total.

That wasn't so hard.

Thanks, I'll probably rent this year.

[DrGonzo]

Yeah, I'll have to rent also now that I know they are available!

[Pecunia-VORAGO]

If you are looking for a good deal on a SA2010 helmet this is the best one I've found... $132
Sears.com (http://www.sears.com/nbsp-snell-sa2010-approved-full-face-auto-racing/p-SPM12423998919?prdNo=21&blockNo=21&blockType=G21)

[TLVDoghouse]

Don't forget a SNELL approved helmet.

Was mentioned 4/16/15 by B-man as part of the inquiry if halter tops and bikini bottoms were allowable on the track (NOT!).

I bought mine on line SA2010 for under $100, new, even came with a lil storage bag. Guess I'll try to make 3 more NG to break even.

[Pecunia-VORAGO]

Was mentioned 4/16/15 by B-man as part of the inquiry if halter tops and bikini bottoms were allowable on the track (NOT!).

I bought mine on line SA2010 for under $100, new, even came with a lil storage bag. Guess I'll try to make 3 more NG to break even.

Where did you find yours?

[Uniuno]

I just bought this guy:

RaceQuip Pro Model Open Face SA2010 Auto Racing Helmet - SafeRacer (http://www.saferacer.com/racequip-pro-model-open-face-sa2010-auto-racing-helmet)

I prefer open face. Not a fan of white, but pretty cheap. Hope it gets here in time for NG.

[DrGonzo]

Question for the NG committee, Are there spots reserved for Sponsors/Vendors to set up?

Seeing as the car show will be at a Cars and Coffee meet, we will not be setting up there....

[bridge]

Is Friday a free for all? Explore Nashville if we want day?

[green-lantern]

Is Friday a free for all? Get drunk and naked if we want day?

:suspect:

[Alan92RTTT]

Nothing official for friday.

With Nashville and Beach Bend Amusement Park in the area I am sure there is a ton for people to do.

I am thinking about setting up a unofficial trip to the Go-kart track we were hoping to use this year.

[Alan92RTTT]

Question for the NG committee, Are there spots reserved for Sponsors/Vendors to set up?

Seeing as the car show will be at a Cars and Coffee meet, we will not be setting up there....

Traditionally the vendors that did setup at the race events just setup next to their trailer in the paddock.

Registration room and Banquet setup is based on available space we'll know more when we get there.

[DrGonzo]

Traditionally the vendors that did setup at the race events just setup next to their trailer in the paddock.

Registration room and Banquet setup is based on available space we'll know more when we get there.

Cool, thats what I was thinking but wasn't 100% sure on it. Thanks Alan!

[green-lantern]

If you are looking for a good deal on a SA2010 helmet this is the best one I've found... $132
Sears.com (http://www.sears.com/nbsp-snell-sa2010-approved-full-face-auto-racing/p-SPM12423998919?prdNo=21&blockNo=21&blockType=G21)

I think I might get this. That way I don't have to worry about the other people that have been sweating in the helmet before me. :barfaway:

[DrGonzo]

I think I might get this. That way I don't have to worry about the other people that have been sweating in the helmet before me. :barfaway:

I tried but after you enter in your zip code it grays out the shipping option with "Shipping Temporarily Unavailable". So I'm thinking the helmet is not actually for sale. They just messed up the pricing discounts on it and killed off the shipping option until they can fix it....lol

[stealthee]

Look around. I just put in SA2010 into Amazon and there is a decent selection of both open face and full face helmets in the $150 range and even less.

Here is a full face one for $110 shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A6PFD9W?psc=1

[DrGonzo]

Look around. I just put in SA2010 into Amazon and there is a decent selection of both open face and full face helmets in the $150 range and even less.

Here is a full face one for $110 shipped.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A6PFD9W?psc=1

Thanks for that Brian!! I just got one on order. Hopefully it gets shipped when it is supposed to so it get here by the 18th...

I tried searching Amazon the other day but maybe I was searching for SA2015 and that is what was screwing things up.

[TLVDoghouse]

Where did you find yours?

Google on RQP-274 I found it at Racer Part Wholesale:

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/RaceQuipSportModSA2010Helmet/FullFaceHelmets/?r=gs&gclid=CKuCsc3LisUCFUeUfgodCjYAZg

for $103.95. Came with a lightweight bag to protect from scratches.

I must have gotten one hellofa good deal. Racer parts no longer has in catalog and other places are asking $179. Must have been a stock reduction in prep for SA 2015

[DocWalt]

Thanks for that Brian!! I just got one on order. Hopefully it gets shipped when it is supposed to so it get here by the 18th...

I tried searching Amazon the other day but maybe I was searching for SA2015 and that is what was screwing things up.

Careful, that's an M rated helmet and if the techs are paying attention it won't fly. Needs to be SA rated.

[DrGonzo]

Careful, that's an M rated helmet and if the techs are paying attention it won't fly. Needs to be SA rated.

Damn it, didn't even notice that and already placed the order. Hopefully I can cancel it still....

[DrGonzo]

I was able to cancel the order... Thanks for looking out Doc!

[stealthee]

I'm sorry about that. I looked too fast and didn't notice it was M either. :(

There are other ones on Amazon in the $150 price range though.

[DrGonzo]

No biggie, I missed it also. :p

Pisses me off that searching for "Snell SA 2010" in amazon brings up a bunch of shit that is not even close to that rating cause the damn seller includes shit like "Not SA 2010 rated" BS

[stealthee]

Yeah. I was too excited in trying to help and only saw 2010 and missed the M. At least Kenny caught it and you were able to cancel the order.

[Lori]

Vendors are always allowed to set up wherever we can allow it. If I'm not mistaken, the track is NOT an option this year. I'll double-check the contract.

[DrGonzo]

Any word on the vendor setup... And does that also mean that we can't set-up canopies and such to stay out of the sun???

[Lori]

Vendors are NOT allowed to set up at the track. Even the NG can't sell anything there. Strict rules, frankly. Stricter than other tracks. However, a canopy can be set up. That's not a problem, there will just be some restrictions as to where. That's to be expected.

[DrGonzo]

OK, I can't sell anything. But I can show things off though correct? Like a product showcase.... I have display stands showing powdercoat and hydro dip patterns so I should be safe to set those up. That is all example products, none of it is for sale.

So if we can't sell at the track, where else can we set up to sell? The three main events are at the track and the car show is at cars and coffee which probably won't let us set up either... So what does that leave us??

[anyonebutme]

The hotel is usually where business happens.

[Lori]

I agree with Chris. it's not usually even worth it at the tracks. If there's room in the registration room, we allow vendors to set up there. It's first come - first serve for space. You can always set something up in the parking lot, which is usually your best opportunity. And also at the banquet hall. You'll be asked about that at registration so we can plan accordingly. As for the car show, again... Not a good place for it anyway, but I'm not sure what the rules will be. The location has been moved and I found out late last night, so I don't even know what the new place is like yet.

As far as showing stuff off at the track, that's a technicality that I'm not sure I'd try to cross with this track. They have a very long list of rules, and seem to enforce them very strictly. I could be wrong, and it could just be a better-written contract than most, but my impressions are that I wouldn't risk it.

Please refer any other sponsorship questions to an email or a private message. I'm not sure we need to carry this on publicly when it applies only to the sponsors. Also, you're likely to get a quicker answer that way. I don't always remember to check everywhere for questions.

[DocWalt]

I got my Zamp helmet in from Saferacer, it's pretty darned nice. Light and seems well built. It does smell funny though :p

[anyonebutme]

I got my Zamp helmet in from Saferacer, it's pretty darned nice. Light and seems well built. It does smell funny though :p

It only gets worse from here..........people try and get 10 years out of a helmet, but a 5 year old helmet is usually sttttttiiiiiiiinky.

[2fnloud]

Febreze?

[DocWalt]

Febreze?

Not sure that's good for the impact absorption foam. I haven't looked at the Zamp, but my motorcycle helmet has a removable liner that I can wash.

[TLVDoghouse]

Newspaper and charcoal. What works for the fish filled Zeti should work in a helmet.

Any news on HPDE insurance or are we on our own?:indecisiveness:

[Lori]

It was posted somewhere already... You're on your own. I went around and around with the track about it and lost in the end. Sorry about that.

[95gto]

It was posted somewhere already... You're on your own. I went around and around with the track about it and lost in the end. Sorry about that.

On this note, does anyone have a line of where insurance can be had? Everything I have found requires our event to be a on a list.

[Lori]

You guys are all set. The NG should be added to their website tomorrow, and HPDE will be available to you. Hope this helps. Sorry for the initial confusion - apparently the person I was told handles it, doesn't know the first thing about this. She handles general track insurance, not HPDE.

[95gto]

You guys are all set. The NG should be added to their website tomorrow, and HPDE will be available to you. Hope this helps. Sorry for the initial confusion - apparently the person I was told handles it, doesn't know the first thing about this. She handles general track insurance, not HPDE.

You = Awesome

[B-Man]

Thanks a ton, Lori. 3S National Gathering - Lockton Motorsports (http://locktonmotorsports.com/event/3s-national-gathering/7482)

Haha, of course when I go to purchase, it says "Event not found". I'm sure it's something on Lockton's part.

[Alan92RTTT]

I have verified that our event is listed via the HPDE Insurance link posted in the 1st thread.

[DocWalt]

Racecar things!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reaFeFRDSSc

[DocWalt]

Here's the video from my fastest run at autocross (41.1), in JasonY's FD RX-7:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mEmmB-jNqo

[DocWalt]

JasonY's 6 runs from NG15 Autocross


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsZKV2yHlsc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumU6nlT9IU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV6Ai9-iCuY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S85xQZFd_A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql-3tRSjN-o

[DocWalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPyVjIBOio

[DocWalt]

My 6 runs from NG15 Autocross


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVj6CS9sRo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmiqzgaii6s


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drp0r6l3ec4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQt-hjrv0YA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mEmmB-jNqo

[DocWalt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fJJZ9acOVY