Militarized Zone

[DV8]

Is there a valid argument for a joint US/Mexico Militarized Zone to defend that border and control the murderous cartel activity?

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/the-arizona-law-mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-mexican-democracy-leading-politician-assassinated-obamas-inaction-threatens-american-security/

http://mcauleysworld.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/chihuahuaenglish.gif

[Alex3000gt]

Interesting.

[DV8]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haMJhn6enRPZBA8z3GreQPLl8SMQD9IQFGVO0?docId= D9IQFGVO0

[EZnTn]

U.S. sold weapons south of the border empowers the corruption.
Power empowers corruption.
DC ignorance empowers corruption.
Who you reckon is getting rich on this side of the Rio Grande?

We'd do a lot better fighting this than loosing the lives of our fighting forces and wasting billions in the middle east in a war we will not, cannot win.
Remember, we supported bin Laden when Russia was attempting to invade Afghanistan years ago.
I support our troops, have had a son-in-law and a nephew serve over there (nephew's on his second tour in Baghdad) but cannot support this action.
BTW .. I am a vet
Best thing to happen would be for all our troops come home now.

Read an interesting article ( http://www.yementimes.com/DEFAULTDET.ASPX?SUB_ID=34822)this evening. Interesting site, a different perspective, from their side.
Might provide some partial insight into why things are the way they are south of the border.

[FstAsVR4]

U.S. sold weapons south of the border empowers the corruption.
Power empowers corruption.
DC ignorance empowers corruption.
Who you reckon is getting rich on this side of the Rio Grande?

We'd do a lot better fighting this than wasting lives and billions in the middle east

Please re word that. It sounds like you are saying that the one's who have gone over there and did not return alive to defend this country from terrorist threats and terrorists wasted their lives in defense of this country. Hopefully I am reading that wrong.

But I agree I would rather actually defend the borders of this country.

[CoreyB]

What ever it takes we need to keep the drug cartels from moving here and controlling towns, cities, and then states. It is one of our greatest security risks IMO.

[Alex3000gt]

Please re word that. It sounds like you are saying that the one's who have gone over there and did not return alive to defend this country from terrorist threats and terrorists wasted their lives in defense of this country. Hopefully I am reading that wrong.

But I agree I would rather actually defend the borders of this country.

Iraq never had WMD, aka: nuclear weapons. Why people are still defending Bush's war is beyond me. What a waste of life and money. For further discussion, see me in the political section.

[DV8]

Back on topic....Mexico has not been interested in US help with any of the problems in that area. One must conclude that the controlling entities in Mexico are either not willing to "bite" the hand that feeds them or afraid for their own lives. The cartel organizations are terrorist based by every definition...I fail to see why we don't attack them like we did the Al Qaeda camps in Afganistan. And if the protectionist Mexican gov't doesn't help....we should just replace it ....just like we did in Afganistan.

What's wrong Washington? ....to close for comfort? or is it something entirely different?
Does this seem to be the "perfect storm" for the justification of a "North American Union" Army?
Is that why the US/Mexican gov'ts are letting this fester?

[Goallie11]

We don't go after them because they don't attack American towns? Maybe, just a thought.

[DV8]

Depends on what kind of "attack" you mean....doesn't it?

[DV8]

On second thought......maybe you are right.
We are already in the throws of 3rd generation gangs .... and ultimately the major North, Central and South American cartels. Instead of a few hundred Al Qaeda-type terrorists 7000 miles away, these "localized" gangs have flourished in many of our major cities for almost thirty years. Having membership and resources ($$$) well exceeding that of Al Qaeda, the cartels could easily control these "cells" with their power and money....if they don't already. Thousands are already here.....thousands more could join them in a few weeks.......with 10's of thousands converging a few weeks later on the Mexican border. No one knows what weaponry they have or could have at their disposal or what they might do if we force their hand. They are much like Al Qaeda....but instead of "religion", they are united by money and power that grows with every passing day.

Maybe we should ask God to just make them go away.

http://mcauleysworld.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/the-arizona-law-mexican-drug-cartels-threaten-mexican-democracy-leading-politician-assassinated-obamas-inaction-threatens-american-security/

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/94863.pdf


MS-13 Gang Leader Gets 60 Years for Murder and Robbery.... Hyattsville, Md. (http://www.opposingviews.com/i/ms-13-gang-leader-gets-60-years-for-murder-and-robbery)


http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/March/09-crm-260.html
http://www.gsnmagazine.com/article/20019/ms_13_gang_members_convicted
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d09708.pdf
http://washingtondc.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/wfo052110.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10395.pdf
http://www.yesweekly.com/article-821-scuttlebutt-developments-across-the-triad-and-beyond.html

[j2k4]

The 'dangerous' aspect of the border situation is almost entirely due to the drug trade, cartels, and their minion gangs.

The citizenry is largely inert because they live in fear of the cartels.

There is a striking similarity to the dynamic of Islam, frankly - it seems the only thing missing is an unearthly deity.

[venik]

If the drug cartels aren't in bed with the mexican government, then there should be controversy about how they've tried. And I don't see any controversy.

[j2k4]

If the drug cartels aren't in bed with the mexican government, then there should be controversy about how they've tried. And I don't see any controversy.

Just so.

Political correctness dictates we not comment on the Meixcan government's fecklessness in dealing with the utter corruption that pervades.

It galls me to hear their prick of a president come over here and inform us of our shortcomings and policy failures.

[i3igpete]

Iraq never had WMD, aka: nuclear weapons. Why people are still defending Bush's war is beyond me. What a waste of life and money. For further discussion, see me in the political section.

roughly half of the democrats in office came to the same conclusion when presented with the same intelligence that was given to GWB.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/H.J.Res._114_Iraq_Resolution_Votes_October_2002.pn g

and don't forget that saddam didn't give a shit about using WMD's on his own citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack


The incident, which has been officially defined as an act of genocide against the Kurdish people in Iraq,[4] was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.[5]

[j2k4]

roughly half of the democrats in office came to the same conclusion when presented with the same intelligence that was given to GWB.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/H.J.Res._114_Iraq_Resolution_Votes_October_2002.pn g

and don't forget that saddam didn't give a shit about using WMD's on his own citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack


"That's unfair, and it doesn't matter anyway" *







* Chapter one, pg. 1, The Great Big Book of Democrat Rhetoric

[AdamVR4]

Wow... I knew the violence was bad, but that link was really eye opening. It forced me to explore where my recently totaled truck was taken (I sold it's remains)... The gentleman that bought it lives in Valle Hermoso...

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=421948

Holy fucking terrifying shit, batman.

It's OK, let's ignore this problem. There's no way it could get worse!

Uh...

[Alex3000gt]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-09-08-powell-iraq_x.htm


In the speech, Powell said he had relied on information he received at Central Intelligence Agency briefings. He said Thursday that then-director George Tenet "believed what he was giving to me was accurate."

But, Powell said, "the intelligence system did not work well."

"There were some people in the intelligence community who knew at the time that some of those sources were not good, and shouldn't be relied upon, and they didn't speak up," Powell said.

"That devastated me," he said.

Powell in the TV interview also disputed the Bush administration's linking of Saddam's regime with terrorists.

He said he had never seen a connection between Baghdad and the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington in 2001. "I can't think otherwise, because I'd never seen evidence to suggest there was one," he said.



"They have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said on April 10. But soon the Washington line shifted to claims Iraq had not weapons, but WMD "programs" — also untrue, inspectors later certified. Then the war was framed as one to democratize Iraq.


http://www.thebostonbachelor.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/kool-aid-man.png

Democrats and Republicans are both the same corporate whores under different flags. Why people defend them, I'll never know. Drink up.

[DocWalt]

Maybe we should move this shit to the Political Discussions section? kthxbai

[DV8]

Maybe WE need to stay on topic......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6YBQ-w1UQ8&feature=related




Ruthless drug cartels in Mexico are battling against each other and against the government for control of the drug trade. 2008 was the most violent year in Mexico, with around 6,000 drug-related murders. 2009 looks like it could be even worse. And there are fears that Mexico's narco-violence could spread north of the border into the U.S. In this one-hour Vanguard report, Laura Ling travels to the border towns of Juarez and Tijuana, Mexico where drugs gangs are fighting for control of the drug routes into the United States. Ling also goes to the city of Culiacan in Sinaloa State, a region that's known as the birthplace of narco-trafficking in Mexico. Despite the 40,000 federal troops that are patrolling cities across Mexico, violence is increasing and the methods of killings are becoming even more brazen and grotesque. Ling speaks with gun dealers in El Paso, Texas and U.S. officials about the illegal smuggling of weapons into Mexico--90% of the weapons seized in Mexico have been traced back to the U.S. She examines the culture of corruption and lack of public trust in a police force that has become known for working with the cartels.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqh3do6RBXo&feature=related&has_verified=1

[Alex3000gt]

The Tribuna Campeche reported the clash between the former allies in its on-line edition early Thursday morning.

The newspaper reported that 100 SUVs with the initials “CDG” (Cartel del Golfo) and X M3 (Metro 3) rolled into town the previous night.

The Tribuna Campeche reported that Mexican soldiers were in the city’s plaza but retreated allowing both sides to fight it out amongst themselves.

The newspaper reported that the rival gangs seized the city’s police department during the conflict.

Witnesses reported heavy artillery weapons, grenades and bazookas were used during the two-hour battle.

What!?

[EZnTn]

read the dates of the comments for the article
old news .. but still serious news
it's too easy for this to spill over more than it already has
disregard for life isn't safe
anywhere
for anybody

[CoreyB]

What I found scary was that the cartel showed up with 100 SUVs marked to let local government know better than to mess with them. When your local,state, and country are afraid to mess with organized crime you are screwed. Unfortunately thats the way our government is starting to act about the situation. Putting up signs basically saying this is a drug smuggling zone, its dangerous, you should just go elsewhere.

[DV8]

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Illegal-Outrage-Why-Machete-May-Be-Booed-In-Border-States-20471.html


2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNREBjHHPM

[EZnTn]

Might be time to fight fire with fire.
Try getting into a foreign country without the proper visas and supporting documentation.
Armed security is what you encounter,
Some well placed sharpshooters would stop a lot of this fence jumping / river crossing from happening.

[i3igpete]

What!?

And yet, Calderon and Obama agree that open borders is exactly what we need.

[j2k4]

And yet, Calderon and Obama agree that open borders is exactly what we need.

Thomas Sowell calls this type of thing The Vision of the Anointed - Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy .

[AdamVR4]

What!?

Out manned and out gunned... Would you want to die in vein?

[DV8]

Dare I ask....why?

http://www.narconews.com/Issue67/article4234.html

[CoreyB]

I guess when a gun is held to your head you will appoint whoever you are told.

[Alex3000gt]

Out manned and out gunned... Would you want to die in vein?

True, it's just scary to think this sort of thing is possible. That really puts things in perspective, I'll keep my scrawny ass in the Midwest.

[I-AM-FURLONG]

damn-