2016 gtr

[hyper3000gt]

has anyone seen this?

Alleged 2016 Nissan GT-R Details: 800-Plus-hp, Hybrid Tech ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog (http://blog.caranddriver.com/alleged-2016-nissan-gt-r-details-800-hp-hybrid-tech-insane-performance/)

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2016-Nissan-GT-R-details-626x382.jpg


what's your guys thoughts? think when it comes out it will really have 800hp? will Nissan be able to keep the price reasonably affordable like this generation of gtr?

what are your thoughts on the hybrid system?

and what do you think of the updated design, better worse?

[NickS VR4]

Kinda like this Mitsubishi Eclipse Concept-E - Sport Compact Car Magazine (http://www.modified.com/roadtests/0407_sccp_mitsubishi_eclipse_concept_e/) ?

[pipebomb]

Nope. Looks like the next genesis.
Not bad, just not what a GTR should look like.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/11/hyundai-gcoupe-3628.jpg

[B-Man]

No one sees this?

http://s4.paultan.org/image/cr-z-mugen-rz-01.jpg

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

why do new cars have to have so many lines on the front end? looks like they are designing after a mach 3 razor.

[hyper3000gt]

why do new cars have to have so many lines on the front end? looks like they are designing after a mach 3 razor.

I see what your saying and most of the time it's to much but I think in the case of the gtr it's nice improvement of the front. this last model gtr had a pretty bland looking front end in my opinion, this is a cool refresh. unfortunately I don't like the design of the rest of it. the car is to bulky to give it all these round edges around the fenders. they should either shrink it's proportions a bit or keep it strait edged.

[hyper3000gt]

if Nissan is truly is shooting for 800hp with this thing it will be more of a competitor with the porshe 918 then it would be a corvette or 911 turbo.

[DK77]

If you can buy a sedan with 707 hp then they need to make it more powerful lol. I've never really been a fan of the GTRs unless they convince Mitsu to revive the 3000GT LOL

[hyper3000gt]

totally agree mitsu needs to get off their lazy butts and make a modern 3000gt to compete with the gtr. hmm maybe if everyone on this forum banded together and sent them a bunch letters demanding it lol.

[DK77]

There have been rumors that they are working on something new. They definitely need a flagship car again to bring interest back into the brand. Unfortunately I think they would be just as likely to stop selling cars in the US as to revive a genuine sports car. A lot of 3S fans have tried sending in letters, I doubt a handful of letters will be enough for them to spend the millions it would take to build a new car.

[hyper3000gt]

There have been rumors that they are working on something new. They definitely need a flagship car again to bring interest back into the brand. Unfortunately I think they would be just as likely to stop selling cars in the US as to revive a genuine sports car. A lot of 3S fans have tried sending in letters, I doubt a handful of letters will be enough for them to spend the millions it would take to build a new car.


wow are their sales really that bad here in this country that they would consider pulling out of the market? why don't they try to just reinvent them selves? most car companies make the most money on mini vans and 4 door sadans maybe this is what mitsu needs a restyled revamped sedan and a mini van or two. give them a few years and they will be ahead again.

[anyonebutme]

Mitsu market share in USA is 0.52%. Lexus, a sub brand, has 1.85%, kia has 3.62%.

Yea, its that bad.

[DK77]

Yeah there have been rumors that Mitsubishi Motors might axe the US division for a while. Mitsu makes plenty of money on other stuff, selling cars is a pretty small section of their market.

[stealthee]

wow are their sales really that bad here in this country that they would consider pulling out of the market? why don't they try to just reinvent them selves? most car companies make the most money on mini vans and 4 door sadans maybe this is what mitsu needs a restyled revamped sedan and a mini van or two. give them a few years and they will be ahead again.

Again, as I tried to tell you in chat the other night, it is going to take far more than a few years to get ahead.

[hyper3000gt]

Mitsu market share in USA is 0.52%. Lexus, a sub brand, has 1.85%, kia has 3.62%.

Yea, its that bad.


well I never looked into the statistics of it all but yea that's really bad especially if they do worse then kia. kias are not even that great of cars, build quality is still somewhat subpar on them.

[Unknownvr4]

well I never looked into the statistics of it all but yea that's really bad especially if they do worse then kia. kias are not even that great of cars, build quality is still somewhat subpar on them.

Yes, but for the price and the 10 year 100k mile warranty, everyone seems to love them. We are also using Mitsubishi designed parts remade a little differently by Kia/Hyundai so they aren't too many problems with them as long as they are maintained and not abused.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Yes, but for the price and the 10 year 100k mile warranty, everyone seems to love them. We are also using Mitsubishi designed parts remade a little differently by Kia/Hyundai so they aren't too many problems with them as long as they are maintained and not abused.

we love our 2012 sportage. 81000 miles on it and haven't needed anything but oil changes, air filters, and finally wore out the stock tires the other day.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

well I never looked into the statistics of it all but yea that's really bad especially if they do worse then kia. kias are not even that great of cars, build quality is still somewhat subpar on them.

What exactly is subpar about the build quality? All the interior and external panels still line up great and we haven't had a single mechanical, electrical, or any issue at 81,000 miles. No interior wear that I can tell, it is literally exactly the same as the day we picked it up with 6 miles on it.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Newer Kia's can't be compared to the older ones sold in the early 2000's. They have come a long way...along with the hyundai's as well.

[stealthee]

Kia/Hyundai build quality is above GMs at this point.

[CoopKill]

Kia/Hyundai build quality is above GMs at this point.

Not many are below...

[NOMIEZVR4]

Kia/Hyundai build quality is above GMs at this point.

lol...GM was never a top contender to begin with...government motors is a joke...except the vette.

[stealthee]

Not many are below...

Tell me about it. I look at things on my Grand Prix and just shake my head in amazement. Things like the infamous "coolant elbows" on the 3800's. You would have though GM would have come up with a fix early on, instead of staying the line through the end of production. Looking at the fender wells of my car they are unpainted. Well, there is some kind of clear, but it is raw metal, not black. The paint in the door jams and underhood is light. Backlighting on the factory radio, HVAC, etc are notorious for crapping out.

They did finally fix a lot of the LIM issues by going away from the plastic gaskets in 05, but it took way too long for it to happen.

The list could go on, but you get the point.



lol...GM was never a top contender to begin with...government motors is a joke...except the vette.

Even build quality on the Vette has been lacking. Haven't heard much about the C7 though.

[JasonY]

Even build quality on the Vette has been lacking. Haven't heard much about the C7 though.

Still poor. All 3 i looked at on the lot had exterior panel fitment issues.

Jason

[stealthee]

That's like some of the lines on my Grand Prix don't even make any sense. The way the headlights "bulge", the front lip of the hood, etc. It's like someone was drunk and was just like, "yeah, that works."

[hyper3000gt]

Still poor. All 3 i looked at on the lot had exterior panel fitment issues.

Jason


wow that's sad especially considering the C7 was suppose to improve so many things over any past generation. they even went as far designing pretty much everything on the car from scratch and don't use hardly any carry over stuff from the C6. oh well can't win them all.

I will say one thing though the new vette is getting some pretty impressive lap times and the new zo6 is supposed to fair even better then the zr1.

[IPD]

why do new cars have to have so many lines on the front end? looks like they are designing after a mach 3 razor.

It started with the Ford Fusion & the "shaver-grille" on the Solstice. Then Mazda grabbed it (Furai, etc), and it's gone downhill from there.

Hybrid GTR means that it's going to weigh 5000 lbs. Meh. GM's suck--and will continue to suck. I still can't believe that a certain someone opted for a CTS over a CLA. Kia? I dunno what happened in the late 1990's early 2000's--that said, my 1994 has had 35,000 km on it since I got it, and it's purring along just fine. 80hp is noticably anemic on the Autobahn though... Still, I have gotten it to around 160 kph, which still feels safer than my old Ford Escort did at ~85 mph.

Mitsubishi ain't coming back to the states. I think most of their market is actually in Asia currently. I don't see a lot in Europe, but there are a fair share of L200's & some small SUV's. The L200 is just another in a long line of "vehicles I'd buy if they were available in the states". I still don't know WTF VW hasn't brought the Scirocco to the states--especially in turbo AWD form.

[IPD]

And, imho, owning a corvette is like being married to a porn star. Sure, at first glance, it's just WONDERFUL looking. But then you get to know it and you're like, "DAYUM this bitch has SERIOUS issues".

[NOMIEZVR4]

The interior has come a LONG way on the c7...yeah the body is flimsy...but it weighs in the sub 3k category as well...you can't have your cake and eat it too....

With that being said, C6 Z06 for me please...

[IPD]

The only improvements the c7 made over the c6 were the headlights & the steering wheel. I still can't get used to the grille, the tails & the a-pillars being a different color than the c-pillars.

[NOMIEZVR4]

it grows on you...just give it some time..wait till people start putting some wheels and lowering them...they will pop..http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8475/8405712248_bf81576769_o.png

[IPD]

Hard to sell me on that vs. an SL, SLK, f-type, XK or even a used maserati or new ghibli.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Not a fan of euro cars in the slightest bit...

[IPD]

Not a fan of euro cars in the slightest bit...

Sounds like a personal prejudice. I myself didn't used to be a believer. I'd shit my pants trying to throw USA-spec automotive heft around the roads here though.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Sounds like a personal prejudice. I myself didn't used to be a believer. I'd shit my pants trying to throw USA-spec automotive heft around the roads here though.

I own a repair shop. I've seen firsthand what whores european cars are to work on. Yes I do have a personal prejudice after working on them. Newer cars with a warranty are a different story...but I rest my case. :)

[IPD]

Doesn't seem to stop doc. :)

And anyways, you can argue all day that GM is somehow "easier to work on", but that doesn't change the fact that they have shitty build quality. I'll take high build quality, reliability & somewhat difficult to work on...over low build quality, questionable reliability & piss easy to work on. At this point in my life, I'm pretty much fed up with tinkering on cars anyways. Makes you wonder why I still have a 3/s....

[hyper3000gt]

The only improvements the c7 made over the c6 were the headlights & the steering wheel. I still can't get used to the grille, the tails & the a-pillars being a different color than the c-pillars.

I think the interior is vastly improved, I do want to see more track runs with though especially the z06 to confirm all of what they say about handling improvements.

[hyper3000gt]

The interior has come a LONG way on the c7...yeah the body is flimsy...but it weighs in the sub 3k category as well...you can't have your cake and eat it too....

With that being said, C6 Z06 for me please...


I think the c7 has a stronger chassis over the c6 as well, it might only be the body panels that are still flimsy and weak but only time will tell as people drive it and things are reported over the years.

[JasonY]

They are also ~3400lbs, no where near sub 3k.

My ~350rwhp FD can just barely pull a M7 C7 from a roll in cool air down around 80-90rwhp and a lot of torque. Being 650lbs lighter is good for something..lol Seen then trapping 115-119 stock.

Jason

[hyper3000gt]

yea I did read about that, it's definitely one negative already detected is that the new c7 is 200lbs heavier then the c6. they went in the wrong direction with the weight! what's strange is that they have an all aluminum frame now where as before the base c6's were mostly steel, somehow they found a way to stuff in well over 200lbs to make it the weight it is now either that or the aluminum frame they are using is MUCH thicker then the previous steel one.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Doesn't seem to stop doc. :)

And anyways, you can argue all day that GM is somehow "easier to work on", but that doesn't change the fact that they have shitty build quality. I'll take high build quality, reliability & somewhat difficult to work on...over low build quality, questionable reliability & piss easy to work on. At this point in my life, I'm pretty much fed up with tinkering on cars anyways. Makes you wonder why I still have a 3/s....

I stated that GM is trash...GM and European cars I would throw in the same pile of junk. I could give two shits about either one. The vette is the only exception for me. Just like the 3000GT and the 4g63 are exceptions for Mitsu.

I have a feeling this wont end..:p

[NOMIEZVR4]

They are also ~3400lbs, no where near sub 3k.

My ~350rwhp FD can just barely pull a M7 C7 from a roll in cool air down around 80-90rwhp and a lot of torque. Being 650lbs lighter is good for something..lol Seen then trapping 115-119 stock.

Jason

I'm sure just like were able to drop ~50-100lbs from basic bolt-ons, they can lose a good amount of weight too...GM reports 3298lbs for the c7...

[hyper3000gt]

I'm sure just like were able to drop ~50-100lbs from basic bolt-ons, they can lose a good amount of weight too...GM reports 3298lbs for the c7...

still heavier then the c6