Ng14!!!

[Lori]

Let me start by saying that NOTHING is definite just yet. There are no signed contracts... YET. But we're as close to that as we can be without actually putting a signature on paper.

On Friday, Alan and I will head to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the site of NG14. That's right - this year we're moving the event further east than it's ever been. St. Louis was the furthest west, so this year we'll go in the opposite direction.

In case you weren't at NG13, something we announced was our intention to start moving the event from one year to the next instead of every other year. There are only so many areas we can go to for a variety of reasons that I can't get into, so that means we'll revisit areas after a few years. But now that this event has gotten so much easier for us to plan, it seemed like a good time to start moving it more often. Thank you to everyone who has supported us as we got through all the growing pains. I honestly never thought the day would come that I felt it was this easy and organized. But this year was a real test... I developed pneumonia before the event, lived through the event with it (got much worse during that time), then came home and found out just how bad it was. And yet I was able to survive and everything ran smoothly. That was a true sign.

SO... Let's talk about Pittsburgh!!

Most of our events will be at Pitt Race. Their road course is 1.65 miles, with significant elevation changes. From what I understand, people LOVE this road course. The facility has a 6-acre area that was developed specifically with AutoX in mind. Oh... And did I happen to mention that they have a karting track? Yep. We'll be doing an ENTIRE DAY of go-karts!! Gas powered, about 45 mph, which is the same as this year. It's outdoors, and we'll have the track for eight full hours.

Car show locations... I don't want to go into much detail right now, but this year I've accomplished something that has been difficult or impossible in past years - we actually got the Visitor's Bureau to email back to us! And let me just say this... We have several VERY large venue possibilities. This one could even top Beale Street, and let's face it... That was pretty amazing. I'll know more after we've been there, but the city won't finalize any permits until January. All I can say is that there are multiple venues we'll be looking at.

Drags have two possibilities this year. One is to do Flashlight Drags at Pitt Race on about a 1/8 mile track. Not our first choice, but I'm open to your thoughts on it. The second is to do the test & tune thing again at another track. This is my first choice, and also less expensive for participants, but the track is REALLY difficult to deal with. I'm working on it, though. Again, your thoughts?

Hotels are an issue. We've identified a hotel that we'll be looking into. It's more expensive than in past years, but it's a good rate for the area. If people are doubling and quadrupling in rooms, it won't be too significant. What do you think your max rate is for a room for NG? And how far are you willing to drive to the track every day? We'll be looking at other hotels just in case... No worries. Remember - nothing is set in stone.

While we're way ahead of schedule in planning, I'm not looking at other locations unless we run into a HUGE glitch, so please don't start debating that. I know it can quickly get out of hand so I think we can accomplish a lot more if we just don't go there... I will say this much. I'm VERY excited about NG14. So much so that I was trying to keep everything a secret until contracts were signed, but I just can't do it. I'd like your opinions on drags and hotels.

Don't think I've revealed all my secrets... I have one more really big one if we can pull it off, and the car show announcement will be HUGE! In the meantime... Start thinking NG14!!

[anyonebutme]

I mean....there's always street racing for drags lol. Last guy not in jail wins.

[Greg E]

"Streets closed Pizza Boy!! Find another way home."

[HilbillyHomeboy]

I'm all in.

Jeremy

[Beef6]

30 minutes from home, cant say no!

[ItTricky]

so.... who wants to carpool from minnesota! lol, need to find a truck to trailer car.... well need to finish car lol

[R/T93]

Grumble grumble.....

From the phone.

[Vantage]

Wow definitely will try to make it for at least a few days, with it being so close to me now.

[HLxDrummer]

I will be super busy with school/getting married/etc but I'm really hoping I can make it as I'm from the area! I also just got a daily driver so I can break my car now haha

If you need some help there are a few of us from the area. I'm actually going to Pitt Race tomorrow for an Autocross. Their Autocross area isn't very big but no light posts or anything to worry about. The go karts are awesome, also!

I would guess the drive from the drag strip to Pitt Race is a little under two hours.

[Alan92RTTT]

I would guess the drive from the drag strip to Pitt Race is a little under two hours.

Google estimates the drive from the hotel to the Drag strip at about 70 minutes.

[Alex3000gt]

Google estimates the drive from the hotel to the Drag strip at about 70 minutes.

Hmm. What was NG06, 07? US131 to the hotels in Benton Harbor and Stevensville?

Probably similar.

[Alan92RTTT]

yes, it was about the same

[Granny]

Closes yet!
5+ hours. Walk in the park.

[green-lantern]

Google estimates the drive from the hotel to the Drag strip at about 70 minutes.

Wait, the hotel we are thinking of staying at is over an hour away from the track?

[Lori]

No, Paul. It's an hour from the drag strip. It's only a mile or two from the other race events.

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[green-lantern]

No, Paul. It's an hour from the drag strip. It's only a mile or two from the other race events.

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Oh OK, I thought that would suck driving 3hrs back and forth every day. One day wouldn't be bad though.

[bridge]

Lori,

We knew it was coming. We were running out of 1/4 mile drag strips w/ road courses incorporated.

[stealthify]

So cool to see information about this already developing! Thanks for giving everyone enough time to plan so far ahead.

[sergechronos]

Drag strips are over rated anyhow. Let's just make that bar crawl day :p

[Toni]

Finally an NG that I don't have to take an entire day to travel!

[speedy25]

The track is an interesting layout with one great blind corner over a hill. Pit out is a typical Alan Wilson design that requires extra rules so nobody gets hurt. There is a LOT of guardrail here. Dont screw up. Keep it fun.

They have a huge area for autocross and skid pad. I've seen a lot of events run here and it looks fun.

Kart track is AWESOME. I havent karted on it but have raced on two wheels there and had a blast.

The new owners have put a lot of money in the place, and are actually moving forward to complete the track "extension." When I was there a few weeks ago they had moved a lot of dirt to make it happen.

There are lots of motels near Cranberry US19/I-79/I-76. It shouldnt be too hard to find group lodging there.

Pittsburg is a motorsports friendly city. Their FREE Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix every July is staged over two weekends with all kinds of car shows. They should be friendly to another group. Also there is a BIG car show at a Mega Church in Cranberry. Search for Starlight Cruise. I'm sure you could arrange a 3000GT night there. I brought both my cars to their show when it was import night.

Best wishes for a stress free organization. I hope you have recovered your health and feeling well again.

Find me if you need some extra local recon. I visit the 'burgh often though I live in oHIo.

-SP

[IPD]

brian has zero excuse now. :p

[k bone 25]

In for dates.

Pittsburgh is an awesome city.

[Lori]

Did I leave the dates out?? I'm soooo sorry!! June 24 - 29, 2014!

[k bone 25]

Were they always in your signature? haha :)

I wasn't looking there!

My wife has to bid her leave way in advance so this helps.

[futurevr4man]

I am going to try and make it for the whole week this time round! Maybe ill have a bumper even!

...maybe

[2faststealth4u]

Me and my gf will be there with both our TTs if I ever figure this cars issue out

[Boostaddict]

Sounds very cool! Fingers crossed for your continued success. If the stars align maybe I’ll be able to attend next year.

[DrGonzo]

I may actually make an NG with it being this close.....

[HLxDrummer]

What events are usually on the weekends? I will be on my honeymoon the week before and working the week of (can't take off).

[Alan92RTTT]

Saturday is the last day and its normally car show and banquet.

[bridge]

Lori,

A good friend of ours (and hopeful attendee next year) mentioned cranberry for hotel/restaurants. He even mentioned the place Quaker State and Lube (wing joint) that caters to cars/bike groups if you wanted to do a meet and greet dinner one nite.

[Alan92RTTT]

Cranberry is about 70 minutes to the Road Course, Autocross, Go Kart track. About 90- minutes to the drag strip.

Its also about 90 minuets to Pittsburgh and some of the car show locations we are looking at.

[FluffyCow]

I gotta talk to the wife. Maybe we'll make the trip, 3s and santa fe. Lol

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[bridge]

Cranberry is about 70 minutes to the Road Course, Autocross, Go Kart track. About 90- minutes to the drag strip.

Its also about 90 minuets to Pittsburgh and some of the car show locations we are looking at.

Im confused cause he said it was 15-20 min drive from Pitt race to cranberry and another 45 mins to downtown taking I-76.

Am I missing something?

[bridge]

Okay I see, cranberry township not town

[Vira]

The new member map (http://www.3sgto.org/membermap.php) really is nice to show the distribution of members as far as where NGs should be held.

[Alan92RTTT]

Okay I see, cranberry township not town

Important difference ;)

Hotels at that exit are the same price range as the ones we are looking at.

[R/T93]

The new member map (http://www.3sgto.org/membermap.php) really is nice to show the distribution of members as far as where NGs should be held.

Seattle....

From the phone.

[Vira]

Seattle....

From the phone.

The red cast in you sig was bugging me. Here it is corrected, unless you like it that way. :p
5797

[anyonebutme]

Vira, FYI the red on the rear bumper is a home depot 5 gallon bucket reflection, lol.

[stealthify]

Vira, FYI the red on the rear bumper is a home depot 5 gallon bucket reflection, lol.

Think she was talking about the overall hue. It was a little warm. :p

Before:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Ultor2/driveway2.jpg


After:
http://www.3sgto.org/attachments/3000gt-stealth-gto-related-topics/5797d1375837475-ng14-white3k.jpg

[R/T93]

Yeah I did that on purpose.

Anyways, switched sigs before even finding this discussion, hehe

[Granny]

Already on the vacation calendar at work if they don't fire me by next year. :)

[Lori]

Bridget, we'll definitely be taking a look at Cranberry. Thanks for the tip! We have A LOT to do this weekend, but we'll try to update as we go... We have some REALLY amazing car show locations to check out, too. I'm excited about those! Car show is usually the hard one to find and plan, but this year it's super-easy so far, thanks to a Visitor's Bureau that actually gets in touch and wants to help. It's really very refreshing for me!

You can tell I'm excited about NG14... I've already been working on the Participants' Handbook! That usually gets done around April.. :) Signs are getting done, too, and with facelifts! I think I need a life...

[ntcmpjg]

Yea it's close to me if I come home from Germany on leave

[93STLTH]

Yea it's close to me if I come home from Germany on leave

Do it Jeff!!

[ntcmpjg]

Do it Jeff!!

I'm thinking about it Tom

[Show Killer]

Hmmm...1500 mile drive this time. This will be the furthest so far.

[stealthee]

The sad part is, even with NG being so close next year I still don't have the motivation to get my car going again.

[Alex3000gt]

The sad part is, even with NG being so close next year I still don't have the motivation to get my car going again.

Get. Off. Your. Ass!

Gogogogo

[Alan92RTTT]

The sad part is, even with NG being so close next year I still don't have the motivation to get my car going again.

Do we need to drive over there and kick your ass?

[stealthee]

I don't think it would help. My biggest motivation killer right now is lack of money. :/

[wingnut]

Seattle....

heck, how about anything west of the mississippi...

...and no, St. Louis didnt count :p

[anyonebutme]

Honestly, because only 1 person west of the rockys ever shows, why go more west? Hell, none of the CO guys ever show up.

[R/T93]

Yeah its pretty damn sad....

From the phone.

[Lori]

Time to get this thread back on track.

First, hi-ho from Pittsburgh!!!

I have lots to tell, and lots of discussions to start.

First, I've requested that the sponsors fill out surveys regarding NG13. I have to tell you... they were a bit critical, some of them even being quite harsh. We're taking everything into consideration as we explore venues for NG14.

The biggest question for this weekend is the hotel. The hotel we'd like to stay at is very close to the track. The group rate for it is $100 per night. There are a couple places to eat nearby, and a lot more 5.5 miles away. The track is EXTREMELY close. There are other hotels in Cranberry, but the prices will be about the same. Cranberry has EVERYTHING there (shopping, tons of food, etc), but is 20 miles from the track. First thing in the morning, how far are you willing to drive? Is it worth it to drive further for more dining options, or is 5.5 miles away close enough? To get a lower price, we need to move a lot further from the primary track, or move down to a Super 8, which isn't an option except for maybe overflow rooms.

Next is the car show... I'm REALLY concerned about using the venue I want. Parking would be tight, and would have to be very organized, but could definitely be done. The concern I have is some things that happened this year during parking for the car show... Groups want to be together, even going so far as to pull off and totally disrupt the flow to make it happen, despite being told not to. People moved their cars after parking. That type of stuff can't happen if we do what I'd like to. People would have to park exactly where they're told. I'm not sure that's really possible... The second choice is good, but not nearly as good as our first choice. Second choice offers a little more flexibility, though... Groups could stay together, and I wouldn't have to worry so much about liability. No roads would have to be shut down for us. On the other hand, the public exposure isn't as good, either, and there's not quite the same level of "stuff to do" in the area. So what are your thoughts? I guess I lost some trust this year, so I'm worried about how much liability I'm willing to take on.

The drag strip is about an hour away from the hotel we're considering. Is that too far? There's another one about 45 minutes away, but they aren't responding to our contacts...

And last... We'll be offering a full day of go-karts this year. With the drags being so far away and in the evening (they'll run during test and tune, just like this year, since that seemed to work so well), should we add another day to the schedule, or try to run two events in one day, one of them being an hour away and starting at 6:30pm (beyond our control)? We would run road course during the day that day, since no one ever makes it for 8 hours of it..

I need thoughts here, everyone... Contracts need to be signed, and I'm feeling a lot like no matter what I plan, people go in their own way and I pay the price (case in point - last year's hotel parking situation). I don't want to get beaten up for another NG, so I need a little input... Please discuss. Oh... But do me a favor... I've been beaten to a pulp lately... Take it easy on me, ok?

[J. Fast]

Honestly, because only 1 person west of the rockys ever shows, why go more west? Hell, none of the CO guys ever show up.

I take the 2nd and 3rd week in July off every year. 4 days in PA and 10 In Florida with the wife and kIds. NG is always concurrent with those dates and would require me to take off the whole month of July. My fam reunion is the 2nd Saturday in July and has been for the last 30 yrs. That's when NG was this year or I'd have gone. If I go lots of guys from CO would go because we can plan for cars breaking and pull trailers and setup a mobile garage.

[Alex3000gt]

$100/night seems steep as far as NG hotels go. That will add about $200 of cost on the week for us.

An hour drive for the drags is doable, that is exactly what the distance was from Benton Harbor and Stevensville, MI to US131 Motorsports Park in '06 and '07.

[93STLTH]

My thoughts are the hotel doesn't have to be that close to the track. A 1/2 hour drive is not unreasonable if it means getting a better rate at a hotel. $100 a night, while not high for me, would probably be a deciding factor for many of the owners wanting to attend.
As for the car show location, my preference would be for the higher visability site. Like someone said at the banquet, we've all seen our cars, we'd like a chance to show them off to other people. It will just have to made clear that parking will be assigned at the car show and everyone will have to park in and stay in their assigned spot. If there are groups wanting to stay together, maybe they can be held back until all others are parked and then allowed to have the remaining spaces for their group?
I don't know if the two stadiums in Pittsburgh are already on your list of potential car show locations, but in California, the stadium parking lots are often used for shows like HIN and Extreme Autofest. Parking would not be an issue in a stadium lot and if the Pirates have a game that Saturday, we might be able to tie in a promotion with the Pirates and they would advertise the car show for us.

[donniekak]

Arghhhhhh! I just moved back to Arizona from the Pittsburgh area.

[Alan92RTTT]

My thoughts are the hotel doesn't have to be that close to the track. A 1/2 hour drive is not unreasonable if it means getting a better rate at a hotel. $100 a night, while not high for me, would probably be a deciding factor for many of the owners wanting to attend.
As for the car show location, my preference would be for the higher visability site. Like someone said at the banquet, we've all seen our cars, we'd like a chance to show them off to other people. It will just have to made clear that parking will be assigned at the car show and everyone will have to park in and stay in their assigned spot. If there are groups wanting to stay together, maybe they can be held back until all others are parked and then allowed to have the remaining spaces for their group?
I don't know if the two stadiums in Pittsburgh are already on your list of potential car show locations, but in California, the stadium parking lots are often used for shows like HIN and Extreme Autofest. Parking would not be an issue in a stadium lot and if the Pirates have a game that Saturday, we might be able to tie in a promotion with the Pirates and they would advertise the car show for us.

At this point The hotels that are in the 30 minute range and have enough parking are in the same price range(or higher). Going further results in tolls that eliminate savings. We are still reviewing our options.

[Maximal]

I'm surprised to hear you received some critical feedback this year. Of course I wasn't there but have pretty much only heard good things. Either way, it's good to have some feedback and improve more for 14.

Anyways, I can see the hotel prices affecting attendance a bit but I'm not sure how much. If people can't afford another hundred or two for a hotel when they have a year to plan, would they really plan on coming anyways?

As for the drive. I don't think it's a big deal with a longer drive to the drags except the drive back which would probably be fairly late. I wonder if the flashlight drags at the road-course would be better at this point. Interest has been dying off in the drags so this might be a way to simplify things. I'm not sure if it saves cash either but it's something to consider.

I don't see 5 miles to major food places being an issue either. I know in Indy at least we typically drove what seemed like that far to them.

[TT4ME]

What competition format is planned for the go-karts? (Initially I'm thinking that a full day of karting would be excessive - and I don't believe that adding a day to the NG is reasonable for most.)

Would it be possible to make the drive to the track into a cruise? aka map out a scenic/curvy route? That would make the hour drive interesting!

I'm not concerned about hotel price. Something with a nice parking lot that is near some food choices would be good.

[Jeff V.]

Will you please incorporate this damned event so we can stop hearing about how much personal exposure you're facing? Whether it's an LLC or some kind of non-profit corp or whatever, it's WAY past due.

[familyMAN]

For the car show, can we organize in some fashion (i.e. by generation, or color) instead of just as you arrive? I think it would be much more impactful especially if the "public" is able to attend. Would also be better to have an "other" section so that bmw's, rx7s, NSXs and subies aren't in the middle of a 3S car show. (All great cars but give them their own section.)

[Lori]

Categorizing by car is not always feasible, just like sometimes we have to just file everyone in and have them park in an orderly manner. Sometimes that's due to space constraints, other times it's because of the rules put down on me. You guys don't always get to see it, but I'm usually following at least two sets of rules for the car show - one from the venue and one from the insurance company. What we found out this year was that insurance is even harder to get now because of things like the Boston Bombing... Every year we run into new obstacles and new rules. So we do the very best we can. And we're trying for NG14, too. Unfortunately, I feel like every time I get new rules... I fail you a little more because I can't do things the way we want to. This isn't nearly as easy as it usually looks, but we're trying, and we're already trying to find logistical ways to do things for NG14, based on any number of potential venues for the car show. We're already working on getting answers to things like ride-alongs, coming up with ways of preventing things that happened this year, and trying to streamline a lot of the processes. I think what is often forgotten is that this is a race event, and it's dangerous, not only to the person driving but to spectators, people who are walking across the staging area, all of that... In a public venue for the car show, it's dangerous for people who are spectating. So insurance companies are skeptical, and REALLY strict on rules. The question came up this year, "is the insurance company here??" No, they're not, but if something happens while a rule is being broken, our insurance is automatically invalid. And things happen... I'd like to think they won't, but they will.

Right now, my biggest concern is the drive between the hotel and the food selections. The hotel we'd like to use has a restaurant. And the food is good, not terribly expensive but not cheap. The track has a concession stand that is supposed to have really good food (we heard people talking about it this weekend at the hotel). Here's the biggest problem... This hotel has the space and the parking, but not a lot of restaurants nearby (5.5 miles average). There are other hotels, 16-20 miles away, same price, no restaurants in them but many close by, and not quite enough parking. Neither is ideal. Can we make the one right by the track work?

[Lori]

Sorry - forgot to respond to Dave. The go-kart format is not quite decided yet, although it's definitely being discussed. Pole Position wouldn't allow us to group people together in any way. They handled that, and I had absolutely NO control over it. Not that we would've had any basis yet anyway, but still... It had been looked into. There will definitely be a more competitive format for next year, but that's all I'm willing to say. There will even be a category for kids, if we have some who'd like to participate (Von? Robert maybe?). Again, this is something we won't be able to announce for a couple of months at least... A lot of planning and work goes into making sure we get it as close to right as we can. It'll only be the second year, so we know it won't be perfect, but we're working on it.

[93STLTH]

I did a little internet searching around to see if I could help with the hotel thing... I can't help but wonder if there isn't some other event going on that's driving the prices up, like maybe a State Fair, or a midget tossing contest. Average prices for hotels in that area for that week are around $110, which to me seems high for a non-tourist attraction locale. If you search about 25-30 miles west, in Youngstown, OH, the prices drop to around $50-60 a night for most hotels. Never mind... I checked other dates in June and July and the prices stay pretty much the same.

[Alan92RTTT]

Youngstown is not far but you'll rackup $20-$30 per day in tolls getting to/from the track.

We are looking at some other areas that would not require a toll to get to /from the track.

[j2k4]

Will you please incorporate this damned event so we can stop hearing about how much personal exposure you're facing? Whether it's an LLC or some kind of non-profit corp or whatever, it's WAY past due.

This ^^.

Would save you LOTS of headaches, Lori, and may prove itself savings-wise over time as well.

[Lori]

We've looked into this. Nonprofit isn't an option. Unfortunately, becoming a corporation won't help either because tracks and insurance companies require personal guarantees so you're not as well-protected by the corporate veil as you used to be. It works that way in my retail businesd as well.

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[Boost4VR4]

I think that if we could potentially raise money for a charity for the car show, maybe we can get some perks out of it?

[Hard AttacK]

So excited i almost peed myself!!!

[JasonY]

cancel drags, spec auto-x racing instead. Rental car destruction!

:lol:

Jason

[anyonebutme]

I checked available rentals.......................I have an evil plan..........

[Lori]

A brief update... We've been hearing back from hotels in Cranberry, which is about 20 miles from the track. That's the city that has everything - tons of shopping, food, etc. Unfortunately, each hotel we've talked to wants to split us up into at least 2 hotels (one even wants us in 3!), and they're about $20 more per night at the group rate. That means more money per night, more driving to and from the track, and we wouldn't be together. Not good. Right now, it looks like we'll have to drive a bit for food if we don't want to eat in the hotel. There just isn't much choice. While I can negotiate the hotels down a bit, I won't get them down far enough to make it worthwhile.

[EvanH]

This would be pretty awesome, as it would be my first NG. And near my home! I am definitely looking forward to it. Just keep us posted!

[EvanH]

Any updates?

[dunshster]

One of these years I'd love to make it if there was be an event in the west, or at least within a days drive. About the comment of people west of the rockies not showing up? I think you might be underestimating how big the west is. It takes me roughly 16 hours to drive from my house to my parents and its literally the state next door (North Dakota to Montana)

[JasonY]

Doesnt stop Nate from showing...

Jason

[R/T93]

One of these years I'd love to make it if there was be an event in the west, or at least within a days drive. About the comment of people west of the rockies not showing up? I think you might be underestimating how big the west is. It takes me roughly 16 hours to drive from my house to my parents and its literally the state next door (North Dakota to Montana)

2500 miles - ng12
2100 miles - ng13
2500+ - ng14

You can do eet!

From the phone.

[stealthee]

One of these years I'd love to make it if there was be an event in the west, or at least within a days drive. About the comment of people west of the rockies not showing up? I think you might be underestimating how big the west is. It takes me roughly 16 hours to drive from my house to my parents and its literally the state next door (North Dakota to Montana)

What does Montana being large have to do with people west of the Rockies showing up? Some people once organized a WCNG and still no one showed up. There is a reason the NG's are held where they are held.

[dunshster]

What does Montana being large have to do with people west of the Rockies showing up? Some people once organized a WCNG and still no one showed up. There is a reason the NG's are held where they are held.

Fair enough, I was unaware of that. I falsely assumed it had to do with the long driving distance which had been inhibiting myself.

[JasonY]

You can still fly in and hang out...just destroy a rental car:lol:

Jason

[IronmanTT]

I've given up on ever attending anyone of these seems to get further and further away every year..should have tried to go when it was in Memphis ...

[JasonY]

How many miles would it be for you?

Jason

[93STLTH]

What does Montana being large have to do with people west of the Rockies showing up? Some people once organized a WCNG and still no one showed up. There is a reason the NG's are held where they are held.

I wouldn't say no one showed up. We had 48 cars at the 2007 WCNC. The problem was, it was all California and Nevada people. No one showed from Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, etc. Pretty much seemed like 500 miles was the furthest anyone from the west was willing to drive for a meet, even a large, multi day one.

[stealthee]

I figured you'd step in to clear up the numbers Tom. ;) I thought I did remember the numbers being around 50, but didn't want to misquote.

[Alan92RTTT]

I've given up on ever attending anyone of these seems to get further and further away every year..should have tried to go when it was in Memphis ...

We were in STL this year. That probably as close to TX as we will get at this point.


NG14 going well just working on contracts and rewriting the registration system.

[Alan92RTTT]

I've given up on ever attending anyone of these seems to get further and further away every year..should have tried to go when it was in Memphis ...

We were in STL this year. That probably as close to TX as we will get at this point.


NG14 going well just working on contracts and rewriting the registration system.

[93STLTH]

I've driven about 6,300 miles to make it to the 3 NG's I've attended. Driving from North Texas would be nothing for me.

[Sean Johnson]

PA, interesting choice of places. Suprised you didn't look at bristol motor speedway TN/VA.

[bridge]

Sean there's no road coarse at/near Bristol iicr

[atarirx]

I've never been to a NG before and would like to try to make this one since its not quite so far away for me but I'd have to bring my kids (will be 5 and 3 by then.) Do other people come with their kids and are any of the events kid friendly?

[JasonY]

Very kid friendly.

Jason

[DK77]

20 hour drive... We'll see how much money I have left after the car is together... If I can save some of my tax return, I may be able to make it.

Also, Pittsburgh would be awesome... I can just imagine a tunnel full of modded 3Ss and how it would sound. mmmm... IDK if anyone else would be interested in doing it, but I would definitely try to stop in at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in that trip.

[stealthee]

20 hour drive... We'll see how much money I have left after the car is together... If I can save some of my tax return, I may be able to make it.

Also, Pittsburgh would be awesome... I can just imagine a tunnel full of modded 3Ss and how it would sound. mmmm... IDK if anyone else would be interested in doing it, but I would definitely try to stop in at the Pro Football Hall of Fame in that trip.

LMAO, we did that once many years back at a SWPA meet. Unfortunately most of the pansies went home early, but there was still a few 3s's and a modded DSM that went cruising through the Liberty Tunnel and all you could hear for a minute was VROOOOOOOOOOM.

[sketch]

pittsburgh? 9 hours on the dot according to google maps. east is good. maybe this will motivate me to get my ass in gear and get shit fixed.

[Lori]

PA, interesting choice of places. Suprised you didn't look at bristol motor speedway TN/VA.

Sean, what makes you think we didn't look at it?

[Hard AttacK]

We are going to rip the tunnels. That way i wont be alone ;)

[ReddVR4]

Man i wish we had something like this out west! Seems like the west coast sucks when it comes to 3/S meets/gatherings :/ LOL.

[n2nsanity]

Excited about the location :)
I stand a better chance of actually making it to this one, lol.

Just curious, is there a list of all the past NG locations listed somewhere out there?
*Nvm, found it
3S National Gathering - 3000GT/Stealth Wiki (http://www.3swiki.org/3S_National_Gathering)

3swiki.org ftw

[stealthify]

Thanks Ed! Was just about to post that up.

Been trying to keep an up-to-date archive of all past/future NG's in one easy to update place. Anyone can add to the wiki if they have memories/photos they'd like to put up in order to build hype for future NG's!

[n2nsanity]

Nice it came up at the top of the search results :)

I'm going to get on there and do some work one day, lol

[93STLTH]

Man i wish we had something like this out west! Seems like the west coast sucks when it comes to 3/S meets/gatherings :/ LOL.

There used to be a lot of activity in SoCal. Weekly meets in SD, Long Beach and OC, a large yearly SoCal3S meet, plus the 3 WCNC's in Vegas. But a lot of the organizers of those events have either moved out of SoCal or have moved on to other platforms. Still, you can't beat an NG for getting the full amount of fun out of your car. I drove from San Diego to the NG twice and I definitely recommend doing it.

[Drweldin]

This would give me a reason to finally get to falling Water too...hmmm...:)

[stealthee]

Falling Water is only about 40 minutes from my place.

Ironically, I have never been there.

[Drweldin]

you suck man - for both those reasons :)

[stealthee]

LOL, I keep on saying I need to go up, but I just haven't done it.

[Alan92RTTT]

What is falling water?

[donniekak]

What is falling water?

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/donniekak/8a32476ac83d8aaf3cc9b07b5265d4d4_zps04811794.jpg (http://s408.photobucket.com/user/donniekak/media/8a32476ac83d8aaf3cc9b07b5265d4d4_zps04811794.jpg.h tml)

[Beef6]

Falling water is a pretty amazing house, definitely worth the time for the tour in my own opinion. You can also hit up the natural water slides at Ohiopyle while you are there.

[IPD]

yeah. that's one of those landmarks on the national registry. very, very cool.

[Drweldin]

Anybody going to NG would be crazy not to check it out since you're right there.

[Sean Johnson]

TN3S should have a good size caravan this year. Knoxville - Pittsburgh = 7.5 hrs. for those wondering...

[Lori]

It's a Frank Lloyd Wright... One of the coolest.

[Sean Johnson]

It's a Frank Lloyd Wright... One of the coolest.

Studied it in Art History while in college yrs ago. Would love to see it. To me, one of the most perfect dream homes, the view, the artistry, and privacy... Hintz, why I live where I currently live. I am not a city person, As you (Lori) and Alan know...

[lat42MS]

Excellent news! I hated missing the NG this year, but STL was just too far. I can make it to Pittsburgh in a day easy. I'm planning on being there for 2014, and possibly sponsoring again.

[IPD]

Studied it in Art History while in college yrs ago. Would love to see it. To me, one of the most perfect dream homes, the view, the artistry, and privacy... Hintz, why I live where I currently live. I am not a city person, As you (Lori) and Alan know...

it's one of my favs. along with this one:

Chemosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemosphere)

[HLxDrummer]

My orientation schedule is finalized.. starts July 1st instead of June 23rd. HELL YEA! I am SOOO excited, I didn't think I was going to be able to come although I am in the PGH area. So what does the schedule look like each day? I will be coming back from my honeymoon right around when this starts so I am wondering if I should stay on my honeymoon a few extra days or come back for monday/tuesday.

[Lori]

The official schedule will be posted as soon as possible. We're working on a couple of small details... They're secret. :)

[Alex3000gt]

Exciting!!!

[Granny]

I can actually stay up and party the last night since I won't have to get up to leave at 3:00 am Sunday!

[Lori]

I'm hoping I won't have pneumonia and bronchitis this year and can have a little fun, too!

[Alex3000gt]

Any schedule updates? :)

[Granny]

Any schedule updates? :)

Interior swaps Friday night!

[stealthee]

I know it will be awhile before schedules are announced, but I look forward to them so I can plan properly.

It's going to be rough no matter what because I have the NG one week, and going to the NHRA Summit Nationals the following week.

[Lori]

We'll announce the schedule when we have it finalized. I own a retail store, so it won't happen until after the Holidays. Tracks won't finalize anything until then anyway...

[ItTricky]

.... hype...

[vitalivr4]

I'm in.

[HLxDrummer]

Getting close on the schedule?

PS What is an average cost for track time/food/registration/etc. for NG? With and without hotel costs. Don't need to include gas.

[JasonY]

Road course hype!(this is the most fun you can have with your car!)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/970824_10151756483524787_1866568103_n_zpsc50198af. jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/JasonVR4/media/970824_10151756483524787_1866568103_n_zpsc50198af. jpg.html)
Auto-x hype!(this is also the most fun you can have with your car!)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/FDNG7_zps1c41e37a.jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/JasonVR4/media/FDNG7_zps1c41e37a.jpg.html)
Hanging with friends!(also the most fun thing you can do with your car!)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a48/JasonVR4/1072627_690161770212_538179176_o_zpsa7c5b2a3.jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/JasonVR4/media/1072627_690161770212_538179176_o_zpsa7c5b2a3.jpg.h tml)

Cant wait!

Jason

[93STLTH]

Getting close on the schedule?

PS What is an average cost for track time/food/registration/etc. for NG? With and without hotel costs. Don't need to include gas.

Registration and doing all the driving events should run around $300, give or take $20-40. The road course is the most expensive, but it's also the most fun. I don't want to take a guess on the hotel costs because Lori was checking a number of different base hotels with different prices. Of course, nothing's official until Lori or Alan makes it so.

[DuTTch]

Pittsburgh is a happening place

[93STLTH]

^^^ You gonna be recovered enough to make the drive?

[DuTTch]

Flying we think

[nodoze]

cant wait for it , will not miss it!

[Hard AttacK]

Cant wait!!!

[IPD]

Cant wait!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Yx0X-eHn8

[ItTricky]

i'm bringing a guy from here, driving to ohio..... picking up 2 more then going.....and it's gonna be fun

[bridge]

Who are you?

[Boost4VR4]

If my car is ready before NG, I will be making an appearance... But I have a lot of work left on the car...

[n2nsanity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Yx0X-eHn8

Yeah, that was a classic. And I totally forgot how bad old music videos sucked, lol.

[ItTricky]

Who are you?

What's it to you :-P

Probably won't be going to UMG though since I'm going to this.

[Hard AttacK]

http://youtu.be/h-LbvFckptY

YEAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

[IPD]

Yeah, that was a classic. And I totally forgot how bad old music videos sucked, lol.

Are you kidding me? Music videos died when VJ's died off.

[bridge]

I heard a rumor.........Alan

[nodoze]

Ohhh rumors do tell

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[CoreyB]

Alan...

[ItTricky]

Rumor? I'm just imagining the seagulls from finding nemo squaking rumor lol

[green-lantern]

I wants to hear rumor

[Alex3000gt]

I heard a rumor.........Alan

That two of the steepest roads in the USA are located in Pittsburgh, PA just miles away from the NG? Not a rumor!

Tour the Nine Steepest Residential Streets in America (http://gizmodo.com/tour-the-nine-steepest-residential-streets-in-america-1531612654/@matthardigree?utm_source=PourOver&utm_medium=App.net&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jalopnik%2Ffull+%28Jalopnik%2 9)

I did hear a rumor that unofficial hill climb time trials will be taking place... :suspect:

[Alan92RTTT]

http://www.3sgto.org/3s-national-gathering/13794-final-beta-test-new-ng-registration-software.html

[HLxDrummer]

So once all the testing is done what happens? Will you give us a hotel that everyone is staying at so we can make reservations there and then we can register on your site, as well?

Also, do vendors have parts with them at the NG? I am thinking I can get away with my Bobcat pads but it would be comforting to know I can snatch some XPs on the fly if I need them.

Lastly, does anyone have a SA helmet I can borrow/buy?

[2fnloud]

Hotel info is given to you after you register.

[Maximal]

So once all the testing is done what happens? Will you give us a hotel that everyone is staying at so we can make reservations there and then we can register on your site, as well?

Also, do vendors have parts with them at the NG? I am thinking I can get away with my Bobcat pads but it would be comforting to know I can snatch some XPs on the fly if I need them.

Lastly, does anyone have a SA helmet I can borrow/buy?

Brake pads are something I typically bring. :)

[HLxDrummer]

I see registration is open - couple of questions:

1. If I register now, can I add more events later if I decide to do more?

2. Does anyone know the price of the hotel/night?

Thanks!

[Alan92RTTT]

1. Yes

2. $100 per night.

[2faststealth4u]

I need a 3s so I can go this year!

[Alan92RTTT]

3S not required for attendance.

[2faststealth4u]

:( but but but I wants one

[Alan92RTTT]

so get one. just don't let not having one keep you from coming ;)

[IPD]

:( but but but I wants one

Buy mine. I'm less and less attached to it every day. Plus, if you get it now, you have plenty of time to finish it before NG.

[2faststealth4u]

Lol I would have to get rid of my stuff first

[Boost4VR4]

I might not be bringing my Stealth, so the backup is still a Twin Turbo 6 Cylinder... And it's German... :D

[2faststealth4u]

I might not be bringing my Stealth, so the backup is still a Twin Turbo 6 Cylinder... And it's German... :D

135i 335i or Audi? Volvo? Lol

[stealthee]

You don't need a 3s to go.

I still don't know if I am in or out yet. I start my new job on Monday. I will talk to them about being able to get off, but I make no guarantees.

[HLxDrummer]

You don't need a 3s to go.

I still don't know if I am in or out yet. I start my new job on Monday. I will talk to them about being able to get off, but I make no guarantees.

You should at least come part of the time. I don't know if you remember Mark, but he is just coming to drags after work thurs and then coming fri-sat.

[stealthee]

Of course I remember Mark. Who can forget the shortest dude at the meet? Also who can forget the guy that got towed from the parking lot and got towed home when his CAS crapped out? LOL

If I get to go my plan is to take Friday off and come out either Thursday evening or Friday morning.

[2fnloud]

Of course I remember Mark. Who can forget the shortest dude at the meet? Also who can forget the guy that got towed from the parking lot and got towed home when his CAS crapped out? LOL

If I get to go my plan is to take Friday off and come out either Thursday evening or Friday morning.

I THOUGHT Ray was THE shortest.

[stealthee]

Well, I was referring to the 3SPA meet where I met Lou and Mark originally.

Mark is probably like 5'4" (maybe shorter?)

Also, Lou, you forget that Mark was at my house the one time. I sold him a bunch of 5 speed swap stuff for your old NA.

[HLxDrummer]

I remembered the 5 speed stuff - wasn't sure if you would. I forgot about getting towed twice what bad luck LOL He won't have a 3S this time so he should be fine. You gunna have your car ready by then?

[stealthee]

Highly doubtful.

[Alan92RTTT]

I THOUGHT Ray was THE shortest.

Don't forget Toni aka Ant

[Alan92RTTT]

All you guys that are coming need to register so we can figure out totals

[Granny]

I haven't registered yet.
I will get that done.
Should be 3 of us and yes one of them is HD.
Elvis is not going to be quite ready either but that hasn't stopped me from coming.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Hey IPD...wanna sell me your hood? Where is your car located? I'll come take it off myself if I have to...

[IPD]

Hey IPD...wanna sell me your hood? Where is your car located? I'll come take it off myself if I have to...

It really needs the rest of the car to go with it. I have no desire whatsoever to part it out.

[NOMIEZVR4]

Oh don't part it. I'll just by the hood off ya...:D

Hell I'll give you a stock hood to replace it with also...so you make money and at the same time still can sell your car...

[2fnloud]

Step in line, I already talked to him about that hood ;)

[NOMIEZVR4]

what the....

guess I'll just get the victory hood then...:p

[Greg E]

I still need to register and sign up for sponsorship. $$ just too tight at the moment. I will be signing up soon though!!

[IPD]

Look guys, I'm flattered...but I really don't want to hijack this thread. I'll start a new one and you can feel free to comment, post, trash the shit out of me or whatever--on it.

http://www.3sgto.org/3000gt-stealth-gto-related-topics/14013-11-years-counting.html#post280297

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Sorry Alan I may be out this year. Just got a devastating tax bill again. With that and the house downpayment in Dec I'm tapped out.

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[HLxDrummer]

Sorry Alan I may be out this year. Just got a devastating tax bill again. With that and the house downpayment in Dec I'm tapped out.

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Is there a dislike button somewhere?

[sergechronos]

Sorry Alan I may be out this year. Just got a devastating tax bill again. With that and the house downpayment in Dec I'm tapped out.

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Don't worry I have a solution you guys:

Who here wants to help rob a bank? They can make a movie about it later and call it...Oceans316. :D

[Greg E]

Sorry Alan I may be out this year. Just got a devastating tax bill again. With that and the house downpayment in Dec I'm tapped out.

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Bullshit.

[2faststealth4u]

I'll know by this weekend

[JasonY]

Paid 22k in taxes this year. Paid 15 quarterly still owe 7k. Was waiting to get my "bill" before signing up. I'll still be signing up and will still be there. Just need to recover financially as usual this time of year.

And they are trying to ding me for 5 something over the past 3 years for some crap with my mileage on the trucks. Fucking assholes.

Jason

[stealthee]

Fight em Jason. They tried to ding me for like $2000 or something years ago claiming I was self employed and all this other crap. I put together some facts along with a well written letter by yours truly and got it knocked down to under $700.

[JasonY]

The 5 started off as around 15...I've done all i can. But they wanted a daily mileage log with destinations both ways for all 3 years. My accountant basically got them to agree that NO ONE who runs less than a fleet keeps records that accurate so they allowed me to keep the standard deduction(not my actual) on the trucks over the last 3 years.

But since I had to pay myself so much to cover everything, as its not like my current taxes dont need to be paid. Ended up just getting shafted this year and didnt pay enough quarterly at all.

W/E they just might get this 7k a month or so late. Atleast my state quarterlies somewhat were accurate! Only owe them like 500 bucks.

Jason

[Show Killer]

Paid 22k in taxes this year.
Jason

Thank You, hundreds of people can stay on welfare a little longer. I think i paid $15,000 last year in federal alone.

Back on topic, i will not be making it this year. Had to take my vacation last week so the woman could go to Michigan. Her neice had to have emergency throat surgery to remove a cancerous tumor they found. Should be able to make it next year and should have a car again by then. I picked up a '93 RT/TT sunroof car 3 weeks ago that i am restoring. She is rough right now but she will be beautiful again.

[Alan92RTTT]

Had to take my vacation last week so the woman could go to Michigan.

Why did you not let us know you were up here?

Car pics?

[kywhitelightning]

Sorry Alan I may be out this year. Just got a devastating tax bill again. With that and the house downpayment in Dec I'm tapped out.

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I'm now sad. My car may be there in spirit this year as custom parts take waaaayyyy to long to receive.

I'm still going.

Jeff

[Alan92RTTT]

This is an NG thread. Talk about NG stuff.

[EvanH]

I just signed up for my first NG since I owned it. Just need to pay shortly.

[CoreyB]

Seriously cant wait to go to my 1st NG ever, not sure what days I will be there or which events I will participate in, but I WILL be there.

[DK77]

So, I'm thinking I may just go for Thursday and the drags, and stay until after the banquet Saturday (depends on how late the banquet is, I'll have a 2 day drive home). That seems a little more manageable in terms of time off.

[Granny]

6647

Practice for drunkin Jenga!

[EvanH]

6647

Practice for drunkin Jenga!

Isn't he a little too young?

[Granny]

Aww...he's whipping our asses because he isn't drinking.
I'm talking about the 2 kids in the background. LOL

[Alan92RTTT]

At the NG you do not have to be drink to play drunken 2x4 Jenga

[2fnloud]

However it is highly encouraged :awesome:

[2fnloud]

So, I'm thinking I may just go for Thursday and the drags, and stay until after the banquet Saturday (depends on how late the banquet is, I'll have a 2 day drive home). That seems a little more manageable in terms of time off.

You might as well stay for the parking lot party Saturday night, it is always the best one.

[DK77]

Well I should know before the early registration ends whether I'm going or not. I'll plan on staying until Sunday morning.

[2fnloud]

You will have a blast if you can make it.

[Toni]

I am officially going :) All events!

[sergechronos]

I'm definitely not going unfortunately. Between summer classes, my folks moving and a variety of expenses in my personal life I just can't swing the time and money this year. Hoping I can still make BRG by that looking suspect at the moment.

Maybe NG15 will be my year.

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[stealthee]

I spoke to my new boss today and he said it shouldn't be any problem for me to get Friday off to go to NG.

The only issue now is coming up with the money to go.

[CoreyB]

Bump.

Why is the "Whos coming" button broked. Think this was addressed before, but I am too lazy to find it.

[Uniuno]

You have to click the "Sign up" link and it's right in there next to the login. Unfortunately Alan doesn't have the "who's racing" section completed yet.

[Alan92RTTT]

3S National Gathering - Registration Summary (http://www.3sng.org/signup/summary.php)

[93STLTH]

Finally got signed up! I couldn't get the time off work I originally wanted, so I won't get there until sometime Wednesday evening, but it's better than missing the event all together. Somebody better have a cold one ready for me when I get there!!

[R/T93]

I will have 2 for ya.

[93STLTH]

I will have 2 for ya.

What's your distance driving this year? Mine should be around 1200 miles each way.

[Greg E]

I still have to register. Will take care of that next week.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

I'm officially out. Have to give expert testimony that week. So close to home, and I can't go. *sigh*

Jeremy

[Alan92RTTT]

Come for the weekend?

[Maximal]

I'm officially out. Have to give expert testimony that week. So close to home, and I can't go. *sigh*

Jeremy

Lame.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

I'll be on call through Friday for the case. I wouldn't be able to get there until way late Friday night, just to turn around and come back Sunday morning. Too hectic; just can't do it unfortunately.

Jeremy

[CoreyB]

WTF Jeremy

[Lori]

That sucks.

[R/T93]

What's your distance driving this year? Mine should be around 1200 miles each way.

2400ish each way... sucks!

From the phone.

[JasonY]

Fuck yeah strut all the way across the country.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/987/fyeah.jpg

Jason

[R/T93]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/Ultor2/usa-road-map.jpg

[bridge]

Lol so much love.....circle jerk over there

[DuTTch]

I wana go, but the airlines arent cooperating, the friendly skies arent so friendly anymore

[stealthify]

Wish you were coming through Nevada, R/T93. I'd hitch a ride. :p

[IPD]

I think in 9 days, I'll still be in Turkey. But I'm wishing everyone the best!

[green-lantern]

I'll be on call through Friday for the case. I wouldn't be able to get there until way late Friday night, just to turn around and come back Sunday morning. Too hectic; just can't do it unfortunately.

Jeremy

you suck so bad

We could have NG in your or Brian's back yard and you guys still couldn't attend.

[EvanH]

What dates are the car show? been reading my emails and seem to be missing it.

[Alan92RTTT]

3S National Gathering - Schedule (http://www.3sng.org/schedule.php)

[EvanH]

Thanks Alan. I had forgotten about that too.

[Alan92RTTT]

Don't feel too bad. I only updated it with times last night.

[DK77]

Woohoo... my car should definitely be done, I'm totally gonna be there!

[Lori]

Yay!!!!!

[anyonebutme]

So how long is it to NG?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PrestoTuna/forum%20misc/IMG_20140614_155829_655_zps5a62d9f5.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/PrestoTuna/media/forum%20misc/IMG_20140614_155829_655_zps5a62d9f5.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/PrestoTuna/forum%20misc/IMG_20140615_143241_311_zpsfe28ef23.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/PrestoTuna/media/forum%20misc/IMG_20140615_143241_311_zpsfe28ef23.jpg.html)

[JasonY]

1 week...PLENTY of time.

Jason

[DocWalt]

1 week too many!

[anyonebutme]

1 week...PLENTY of time.

Jason

I work all week.

[SUTHNR]

Between various nights and such over the past few weeks I have gotten mine back to what seems to be holding together. No drippies at all when I stop. So either the halfshaft is finally staying in the trans, or it popped out again and I'm driving around with a dry trans! :eek: No coolant leaks either after that fix. Got the road course brakes installed and ready since that's first. Have had no time to do any cleanup and gotta get a battery tiedown rigged up haha!

Probably make the swap back to E85 tonight as the tank is getting very low and I finally got a usb/serial cable that works with Win7 so I can load the E85 map in the AEM.

Looking forward to seeing everyone and driving and drinking! (in that order!!!!)

EricB

[Alan92RTTT]

Are you bringing your own E85? IIRC there is not much in the area. (if any)

[DK77]

There are a handful of stations but you might have to drive like 20 minutes to find them

[DK77]

Also, I'm registered!

[bridge]

So what's the break down for go-karts? Kinda like autox with different groups assigned to different times till elimination time (say fastest 20)

[DocWalt]

^^ This!

Also, so everyone that doesn't pay attention to chat... How will instructors work for road course this year?

[bridge]

New track new rules? Usually a pro rides with novice and vice versa for a session giving tips in the past.

[Lori]

Ok, hold on... Too many questions all at once!

First, go-karts. They will be run enduro style. There will be teams of 4 or 5, and each team will run all day. You will have to change drivers a certain number of times, at your own discretion. The team that runs the most laps wins.

Road Course... Same as always. For those who haven't attended before, experienced drivers will drive the first run with beginners next to them. Then those with some experience, then beginners driving with experienced next to them. Those will be the only ride-alongs.

Does that answer them?

If anyone is going to be in town early, we could use some help. We've printed out a bunch of posters advertising the car show and could use a little help distributing them. If you're available, please let me know.

[bridge]

Who picks teams?