Front crash bar- Is it really needed??

[Ange]

I mean for safety.

Our cars has a long ass front with a big ass block. Probably way better crash safety than most cars even without the crash bar. I deleted min because I want to remove as much weight from the front of this car as possible since it's front heavy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6BVRxBhqqs

Can't imagine the alu crash bar does that much difference.

my dad pointed out for me that it's also there for stiffness. That's the only reason I could see it being worth saving it for.

Opinions?

[donniekak]

Stiffness? They aren't even solid mounted to the frame rails. They are there because insurance companies have made the auto makers adopt the 5mph bumper system. It keeps damage to a minimum under 5mph. It is not a safety feature.

[Ange]

Stiffness? They aren't even solid mounted to the frame rails. They are there because insurance companies have made the auto makers adopt the 5mph bumper system. It keeps damage to a minimum under 5mph. It is not a safety feature.

good point. probably right that it's mostly for smaller impact to protect the body from damage.

You sure about the stiffness thing though? it's mounted to the dampers which are bolted to the frame. Should keep the frame from twisting in my mind..

[Tensecs2fame]

yes /thread

[donniekak]

yes /thread

Excellent logic you used there.

[i3igpete]

look at the design of the dampers, how the bolts are all inline (no triangulation). the crash bar provides NO chassis stiffening.

[vr4tune]

A thick front mount will work as a crash bar!

[Ange]

A thick front mount will work as a crash bar!

:highfive:

:bigthumb:

[J. Fast]

It is not a safety feature.

Yes it is. It's a box girder resting on pins. In the event of a crash the frame rails act like springs. It couples them on frontal impact and also aids in preventing singular torsion on one corner. More than likely it also halves impact intrustion distance on the crumple zones at speed. If you hit a tree or pole at speed and you split the uprights how much further could the impact intrude?

Ever seen lawdoggs hill climb crash where he hit a tree? He likely escaped rather serious injury due to the tortional resistance of the crash bar. The front end never twisted and the drivers side of the vehicle remained in-tact. The crashbar was able to redistribute some of the axial loads off the passenger side and transfer to the drivers side.

[stealthee]

Do NOT delete the front crash bar. If you ever hit something head on you are going to take away your first line of defense.

Let me see if I can find pictures of a front crash bar from an accident on the 92RT that I 2g converted almost 10 years ago to show how it can help.

[MR2]

Nahhhhh YOU can remove it...

while your at it, if you still have them you can take the bars out of the doors too.

Come to think of it remove the rear one too.

[stealthee]

Please excuse the shitty pictures. As I said, this was almost 10 years ago and this was probably a 2MP camera at best.

http://www.import-power.com/gallery/d/8211-1/front1.jpg

http://www.import-power.com/gallery/d/8213-1/side1.jpg

http://www.import-power.com/gallery/d/8215-1/top+front.jpg

http://www.import-power.com/gallery/d/8205-1/bucket.jpg

http://www.import-power.com/gallery/d/8207-1/corner.jpg

Without the crash bar the ENTIRE core support would have been pushed into the radiator and engine causing significantly more damage than what it ended up with.

[Jeff V.]

Here's a car with no rear crash bar.

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1008/vr423yf.jpg

Just at a glance, the impact destroyed the bumper, rear lights, AA wing, hatch, various brackets and most likely the entire sheetmetal bulkhead that makes up the rear of the car.

Had the bar been in place, the damage would have been a LOT less.

So is the idea of saving 10 lbs worth the risk of thousands of dollars of damage and the near-guarantee of totaling your car if you get into even a minor accident? It's your call.

[IPD]

i'm with these guys. totally not worth it. can't speak to jackhammer's replacement in case of an accident...but i do know that not having it is a recipe for disaster. i still have an aluminum one waiting to replace the POS steel one that my car came with.

[AdamVR4]

Dont take them out. The peace of mind outweighs the weight savings ;)

[green-lantern]

Holy fuck! Some of the posts in this thread. Cut the seat belts out for weight savings while your at it. Not a safety feature :lol:

That being said I removed mine for a while because of the FMIC but soon after replaced it with jackhammers bar. I'm not going to lecture anyone for removing it. I mean it's still safer than riding a motor cycle. We take risks for certain benefits. If you removed it without a benefit or for weight savings then that would crazy but some things like a front mount might be worth it.


Nahhhhh YOU can remove it...

while your at it, if you still have them you can take the bars out of the doors too.

Come to think of it remove the rear one too.

I see what you did there lol

Roll cage sort of makes that OK........Still funny though

[DocWalt]

Having seen what happens to a car with even a weak front crash bar (60+ mph into trees, engine pushed into firewall, passenger side frame rail collapsed, shell bent in half): http://imageshack.us/a/img809/8886/1picture7.jpg I'd never remove the crash bar completely. I'd at least run a Jackhammer style bar.

[Tensecs2fame]

Excellent logic you used there.

Yeah my logic is, Mitsubishi engineered these cars for safety. There's a reason why many owners walk away from bad crashes and rollovers. To get rid of the crash bars without a full roll cage is just fucking retarded. If its something aesthetic on an old classic that might be another story but most 3/s owners use their cars every day. Is that logical enough for you? A retarded thread deserves a retarded answer.

[Ange]

i'm with these guys. totally not worth it. can't speak to jackhammer's replacement in case of an accident...but i do know that not having it is a recipe for disaster. i still have an aluminum one waiting to replace the POS steel one that my car came with.

yeah need to replace mine rear steel one too.

might reinstall the front one after the advices in this thread lol