Cruising from Daytona Beach Florida to Denver... Nashville/St. Louis or OKC/DFW?

[J. Fast]

In a ressurected 3/STT... I'm flying out on Thursday. I have a bit of routine maint to catch up on before I hit the road. I'm thinking of rolling out of Daytona on Friday night or Saturady early. Anyone on the way have plans on Saturday or Sunday and want to hook up?

Which way do I go? Where's the construction in St. Louis, Nashville, KC? Same with DFW and New Mexico? What are the posted speed limits?

[DK77]

I will say driving through Kansas by yourself is boring as hell. Drove my 95 home from Houston through Dallas/OKC/Wichita and Kansas damn near put me to sleep LOL

On the other hand Texas seemed to have troopers camping out every five minutes.

[green-lantern]

If you end up going through Knoxville give me a shout.

[anyonebutme]

At least some of the STL crew get together every weekend.


As for speed limits........haven't paid attention to one of those in a long time.

[cbr]

not trying to get into your business but you should really add that car to your insurance policy prior to driving it. as a former police officer I have to say it would be in your best interest. less headaches and it only takes a phone call.
have a safe flight

[masterjr33]

<< in jacksonville. florida. well get a beer dinner and chill if you come through.
shoot me a email
justin.credit at yahoo.com

[Turbo Beast]

75mph in TX. If you go through Houston, watch out. Theres a white cop camaro.

[J. Fast]

Is 5mph over the limit cool thru Texas and Oklahoma Colin?

Thanks for the insurance heads up Bill. Already called in to get things rolling. I just need the car to start and drive before I activate the policy. :p

I might stay south and hit up unknownvr4 for some parts and save $120 in shipping. it's only another 2 hours vs. going thru KC.

[futurevr4man]

if you make it up to lex ky, you could come to my house. youre welcome to use any tools that you may need at my house as well!

[FeaRpb]

Is 5mph over the limit cool thru Texas and Oklahoma Colin?

Thanks for the insurance heads up Bill. Already called in to get things rolling. I just need the car to start and drive before I activate the policy. :p

I might stay south and hit up unknownvr4 for some parts and save $120 in shipping. it's only another 2 hours vs. going thru KC.

5 over is fine. People will still fly by you.

[Turbo Beast]

Yep, just watch it. With TX plates you dont get pulled over as fast, and us oilfield traffic seems to get freebees sometimes.

5-9mph over is no problem.

But, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Houston, San Antonio and Dallas are traffic hell holes.
Especially BR and Houston. Same goes for Austin in rush hour.

[duke3k]

Valentine One is the way I travel. Remember J.

[J. Fast]

zel-man is on his way to pick me up. Taking me to DIA here we go! It's really a tough decision regarding routes. Depending on the weather I'm thinking about going thru Baton Rouge to grab a set of heads and then heading to Houston/Dallas. Should pull in around 7-8pm on Saturday night. If the weather and traffic report history is shitty I'm going thru St. Louis and K.C. tho. I hope I don't have to... Kansas is booooring!

[Turbo Beast]

Id tell you to come hang out! But we got my sons baptism going on, so my crib will be packed starting tonight till Sunday.

[green-lantern]

If you end up going through Knoxville give me a shout.

BTW if you do wind up going this way you are welcome to crash here and save $$$ instead of getting a hotel.

[Kyoshosp2]

I'm here in Baton Rouge . Just stay away from 7-9am and 4-6:30 pm and you'll be fine .. Weather it's I 10 or I 12 .. Same goes for Nola..

[95gto]

STL construction is largely along the bridge that crossess the Mississippi near the arch (the Poplar Street Bridge, 55/70 to Hwy 40). There are plenty of ways to avoid it regardless of how you come into the city. If I were coming in from the south I would shoot over to Cape Girardeau via Wickliffe, KY and then head up I-55, but that's just me.

And the drive from Columbia, MO to KC is pretty boring, but not as bad as the drive from Topeka to Denver.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

the driver through western missouri and into/out of oklahoma wasn't the most pleasant time I had, but at least I didn't have to stop much. no 1st and 2nd gear for that trip.

[J. Fast]

Well, I'm really disappointed. I wrenched on that car for about 16 hours to get it to the point to where I could diagnose the condition of the engine. I came to find the motor is blown. There are a number of floating valves in the heads. I can hear a bunch of valve tapping. It sounds like a bag of hammers. Consequently, I will not be purchasing this vehicle. I'm going to cut my losses and fly home. I get on a flight tomorrow at Daytona International and I'll be back in Denver before nightfall.

I'll discuss more about my experience later. Right now I'm really tired and don't know what to say. I will say I've put about $300 of my own parts on this car just to get it to the point of running. I'm going to walk away from those parts and walk away from my $250 short notice return airfare.

[FeaRpb]

Damn, that's horrible.

[Turbo Beast]

Been there, it sucks. Really hard to walk away like that.

[J. Fast]

This one stings really really bad...

I purchased a set of turbochargers from Steven. Installed new turbo gaskets, water lines, oil lines, and hardware. Paid $120 for tools to be shipped out. Food, lodging, rental car, fuel, parking, and etc. $500 in plane tickets...

The biggest sting is my wife. She'll have this one on me for a looong time!

[J. Fast]

I bought an ounce of gold put it in a f****** blender and converted it to a bottle of Goldschlager.

[green-lantern]

wow man that sucks, I'm assuming the seller wasn't truly honest about the condition of the engine or do you think he just didn't know?

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

That really sucks, but I feel like maybe you were a bit ambitious. Anytime I would buy a car that didn't run I'd assume the worst.

[duke3k]

Sorry it didn't work out J. I hate buying cars remote but sometimes its worth doing the Risk / Reward thing. When we bought the Spyder it was the same deal.... had to fly out with money in hand - one way tickets - car rentals to drive from Minneapolis to the sticks of Wisconsin - and if we had gotten there and the Car wasn't as advertised it would really have sucked to have to walk away ....

[futurevr4man]

i cant believe you have that money to just blow like that. wish i did...

[J. Fast]

My beating isn't done yet... $185 to check my tools... I'm either overweight on two bags (75lbs ea) or will be required to pay a third bag penalty of $125. I was forced to upgrade to first class to upgrade my bag weight from 50lbs to 70lbs. Cost me $150... I also just walked away from a tool briefcase so I didn't have to pay to check it. TSA wouldn't let me thru security with any metal items over 7" in length. Now Im starting to get pissed!

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

ouch, that blows

[Street_Chally73]

Wow, that sucks miserably!!! I know that TSA officials are only looking out for other people's safety, but they can sure be a major PITA sometimes!! I left a good amount of things I bought overseas back in Amsterdam's airport due to restrictions/weight & had like $100-$125 worth of Dutch specialty tulips seized by customs upon re-entering the states.

Sorry to hear it didn't turn out to be as nice of a deal as one first thought & that you're now out all that time, money, & energy!


Sent from the garage

[J. Fast]

wow man that sucks, I'm assuming the seller wasn't truly honest about the condition of the engine or do you think he just didn't know? what do you think? You're prolly thinking what I'm thinking.


That really sucks, but I feel like maybe you were a bit ambitious. Anytime I would buy a car that didn't run I'd assume the worst. Seller said it needed turbos and an ECU. Supposibly ran fine. I put turbos and an ecu in it and clank clank clank...


i cant believe you have that money to just blow like that. wish i did...
I don't... it is what it is!

[green-lantern]

what do you think? You're prolly thinking what I'm thinking.

Seller said it needed turbos and an ECU. Supposibly ran fine. I put turbos and an ecu in it and clank clank clank...


I don't... it is what it is!

Trust in people seems harder and harder to have. I mean if the guy knew you were planning to get it running and drive it what did he think was going to happen. He's probably pretty lucky the wrong person didn't show up to buy it (for all I know you might of chopped him up and put him in the hatch) lol. Seriously though, that's a bummer, I'm not sure how I would have handled it.

[Boost4VR4]

I would have never flown in, I would have rented a truck and trailer from Uhaul and drove out and towed it instead. That is what I did with my Stealth, I wasn't chancing it because I knew it was in rough shape and the previous owner did not know what to do with the car. Worked out in my favor that way, it gave me time to tinker with the car and test a few things out at my home and I didn't need to rush to a resolution to drive it home.

[cbr]

ok, now its my turn to respond.
first off let me start by saying how sorry I am that all of this happened and I have a lot of respect for J.fast. but he did leave out a few important facts. And that really is pissing me off right now.

1) WE!!! not he!!!! wrenched on the car for 16 hours together (I even missed 7 hours of school to help him and get him on his way before his deadline).
2) yes the car ran. THE CAR JUMPED TIMING WHILE WE WERE PRINING THE ENGINE AND WE BOTH HEARD IT. how could I have prevented that? he even had a 60k set of parts with him. but wanted to wait till the car was running to put it on.
3) WHY WOULD I INVITE A 3S TECH TO MY HOUSE KNOWING THAT HE WAS GOING TO STRAT THE CAR BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT? WHAT WOULD BE MY END GAME IN ALL OF THAT?
4) he chose to put his own gaskets, spark plugs, wires, and banjo bolts because he didnt trust mine.
5) prior to him coming I told him that I have every tool that he would need to work on the car right here.

so half of you guys can just drop that hard to trust people bullshit. all I can say is that im sorry that things worked out the way that they did and J.fast was out all of that money. but to say that I was dishonest is just stupid.

also btw green-lantern dont worry about the wrong person showing up at my house and acting stupid. I have a brand new glock that I still didnt get a chance to fire at the range yet.

and one last time J.fast IM really really sorry that the car didnt work out. and I know im done for on this platform because you even told me how much respect you have on here, so I know nobody is going to listen to my side of the story, But im not gunna let only half the story be told. Im gunna step off of this board for good because I know that im not welcome here anymore.
so go ahead and flame me guys im ready

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

It is always good to hear both sides of any story.

[green-lantern]

ok, now its my turn to respond.
first off let me start by saying how sorry I am that all of this happened and I have a lot of respect for J.fast. but he did leave out a few important facts. And that really is pissing me off right now.

1) WE!!! not he!!!! wrenched on the car for 16 hours together (I even missed 7 hours of school to help him and get him on his way before his deadline).
2) yes the car ran. THE CAR JUMPED TIMING WHILE WE WERE PRINING THE ENGINE AND WE BOTH HEARD IT. how could I have prevented that? he even had a 60k set of parts with him. but wanted to wait till the car was running to put it on.
3) WHY WOULD I INVITE A 3S TECH TO MY HOUSE KNOWING THAT HE WAS GOING TO STRAT THE CAR BEFORE HE BOUGHT IT? WHAT WOULD BE MY END GAME IN ALL OF THAT?
4) he chose to put his own gaskets, spark plugs, wires, and banjo bolts because he didnt trust mine.
5) prior to him coming I told him that I have every tool that he would need to work on the car right here.

so half of you guys can just drop that hard to trust people bullshit. all I can say is that im sorry that things worked out the way that they did and J.fast was out all of that money. but to say that I was dishonest is just stupid.

also btw green-lantern dont worry about the wrong person showing up at my house and acting stupid. I have a brand new glock that I still didnt get a chance to fire at the range yet.

and one last time J.fast IM really really sorry that the car didnt work out. and I know im done for on this platform because you even told me how much respect you have on here, so I know nobody is going to listen to my side of the story, But im not gunna let only half the story be told. Im gunna step off of this board for good because I know that im not welcome here anymore.
so go ahead and flame me guys im ready

lol wow, hang on man, I was getting one story here. I figured somebody would end up posting though. With Jeramey's comments I still stand by my post but there is always 2 sides of every story. Don't tell me you wouldn't feel the same giving the info so far. I don't know what the deal was between you guys, I was commenting on his post. I'm glad you are posting your side. Not like I know who or what happened, don't lash out at me because of it.

What do you mean 3stech anyway?

Sounds like you had a bad day. Sorry about that.

[94stealthr/t]

I got many parts through cbr, didn't have a problem with anything so far

[cbr]

What do you mean 3stech anyway?

Sounds like you had a bad day. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE]

he told me he was a 3stech and owned his own shop.

hell yea im having a bad day. I feel like shit because the guy is out all this money and time that I cannot repay (I did return his deposit.)
and now im stuck with a car that has valves kissing pistons. so yea your post pissed me off and I responded to it. you may not know me and you may not like me but there are 2 things you WILL learn about me.....I dont let people talk shit about me....... and when im wrong I admit it.

[green-lantern]

he told me he was a 3stech and owned his own shop.

I don't think he owns a shop. Not that I'm aware of anyway. I thought he was saying he was a member of 3stech. (the private web site)


hell yea im having a bad day. I feel like shit because the guy is out all this money and time that I cannot repay (I did return his deposit.)
and now im stuck with a car that has valves kissing pistons. so yea your post pissed me off and I responded to it. you may not know me and you may not like me but there are 2 things you WILL learn about me.....I dont let people talk shit about me....... and when im wrong I admit it.

Chill man, I don't have ANY reason to dislike you other than one persons post. I didn't mean to make a bad situation worse. Just saying the info that was presented I would be mad also. Again, Sorry things didn't work out. If I can help let me know.

[J. Fast]

I cannot speak to the condition of the engine prior to my being there. Frankly, I really wanted it to work out but it didn't. There were a number of red flags and alarms going off in my mind when I first looked at this vehicle. However, I felt compelled to try and make it work.

I will say openly and honestly when I first saw the car clearly it was miss advertised. It wasn't the type of car I would have purchased. The rear spoiler was damaged, the rear bumper has chips and scratches all the way to the core. Every fender is dented, there's ripples in the rear fenders, the front bumper has scratches, the top clear on the roof has scratches all the way through to the back, window tint is peeling and etc.

My instinct told me to walk away, but I didn't. I made the decision to stick with it and wrench on it. I told Bill straight up that's not the type of car I would have bought and if I would have seen it in person I would walk away immediately but I was in Florida miles and miles away from my house and I would reevaluate my position depending on whether or not vehicle ran.

I bolted everything on to the point where I could get the oil pressure up to prime the engine and turbo chargers. I verified the base timing and had Bill fire the engine and all I heard was metal to metal. It was really late last night once I got the results... I was not in a position to jerk around the car any longer after I heard that. We can go with the Skip Timing Theory. I did not 100 percent confirm the timing after I heard engine noise. It was dark and late, I was tired, disappointed, and didn't care anymore. I knew the fun was over over and I was going to have to cut my losses.

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

I don't quite understand how you can expect a perfect bodied car for $2800

[cbr]

I cannot speak to the condition of the engine prior to my being there. Frankly, I really wanted it to work out but it didn't. There were a number of red flags and alarms going off in my mind when I first looked at this vehicle. However, I felt compelled to try and make it work.

I will say openly and honestly when I first saw the car clearly it was miss advertised. It wasn't the type of car I would have purchased. The rear spoiler was damaged, the rear bumper has chips and scratches all the way to the core. Every fender is dented, there's ripples in the rear fenders, the front bumper has scratches, the top clear on the roof has scratches all the way through to the back, window tint is peeling and etc.

My instinct told me to walk away, but I didn't. I made the decision to stick with it and wrench on it. I told Bill straight up that's not the type of car I would have bought and if I would have seen it in person I would walk away immediately but I was in Florida miles and miles away from my house and I would reevaluate my position depending on whether or not vehicle ran.

I bolted everything on to the point where I could get the oil pressure up to prime the engine and turbo chargers. I verified the base timing and had Bill fire the engine and all I heard was metal to metal. It was really late last night once I got the results... I was not in a position to jerk around the car any longer after I heard that. We can go with the Skip Timing Theory. I did not 100 percent confirm the timing after I heard engine noise. It was dark and late, I was tired, disappointed, and didn't care anymore. I knew the fun was over over and I was going to have to cut my losses.

wow man, you were the one who showed me where the timing marks were off. "timing theory" ok whatever man.
btw did I tell you to waste money on a rental car? or did I offer to pick you up?
did I tell you to waste money on 2 nights on the top floor of the Hilton hotel on A1A strip with a beach side view? or did I offer you my couch to crash on?
did I tell you to go out and drink all night and hook up with 2 hot girls ? you know the local chick and the one from ct who tried to friend you on facebook ? I remrmber giving you the keys to my home and going to bed.
so im sorry you had such a bad time in florida.
where are these dents and ripples? te only thing you kept complaining about was the salt everywhere. lets be honest here. you told me after the first night of working on it that if you saw this car locally that you would walk away from it. right then and there I told you to stop and walk if you didnt want it. you chose to keep working on it. so the car must have done something for you.

or could it be that you are just real pissed off and need to attack my rep by going with the "miss advertised" theory.
btw the cracked active aero was in the origional ad. I still have it from the ebay ad

[J. Fast]

Im not complaining or trying to roast Bill. Just speaking plainly. He was a cool guy.

I do want to ask before I go further bill, where did you get the turbochargers I bolted on from?

[futurevr4man]

im going to put my 2 cents in even though its probably not wanted.

first and foremost, you all are going to get nowhere with this back and forth. whats done is done. cbr, your name is not ruined on here so there is no reason in being so worried about that.

jeremy, i cannot believe you didnt check timing first and foremost. the VERY FIRST thing you should have done is check the timing. and after that, make sure the oil pan isnt dented. THEN (and only then) you should have done the turbos swap and whatnot. you have no one to blame but yourself man, im sorry. i legitimately feel bad that you were out that much time and money, but you should only be pissed at yourself at this point. even if cbr was super smart with these cars and said he did it himself, you still should have checked it.

now as for the condition of the body and everything, you may have an argument there. idk what all was said.

[J. Fast]

wow man, you were the one who showed me where the timing marks were off. "timing theory" ok whatever man.
btw did I tell you to waste money on a rental car? or did I offer to pick you up?
did I tell you to waste money on 2 nights on the top floor of the Hilton hotel on A1A strip with a beach side view? or did I offer you my couch to crash on?
did I tell you to go out and drink all night and hook up with 2 hot girls ? you know the local chick and the one from ct who tried to friend you on faceb

ook ? I remrmber giving you the keys to my home and going to bed.
so im sorry you had such a bad time in florida.

Why are you getting offensive man? No need for that.

[cbr]

damn bro you seemed cool as shit too

[cbr]

Why are you getting offensive man? No need for that.

because you stabbed me in the back with all that dishonest bullshit

you also got 3 walk around videos that i shot for you prior to even making this deal

[green-lantern]

because you stabbed me in the back with all that dishonest bullshit

you also got 3 walk around videos that i shot for you prior to even making this deal

This true Jeremy?

[Turbo Beast]

subbed for drama

[R/T93]

This is like Sinsvr4 all over again.

2800+ plane ticket + shipping tools + hilton hotel + gas money and 3-4 nights hotel for the trip home. You planned to make money on this deal? I don't see a motive...

Shoulda checked timing for sure....

Sucks to see this crap happen and both parties lose.

[FeaRpb]

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[J. Fast]

im going to put my 2 cents in even though its probably not wanted.

jeremy, i cannot believe you didnt check timing first and foremost.

I did verify the timing before I had him prime the engine and fire it. You mis-read. I did not verify the timing after I he turned it over and it was kissing.


because you stabbed me in the back with all that dishonest bullshit

you also got 3 walk around videos that i shot for you prior to even making this deal

No I didn't. No one stabbed you in the back. You said all that black shit on the car was dirt... it wasn't. You said it was dirty because you pulled the cover off. Your camera hides A LOT! Look at the video. You keep repeating... it's dirty, that's dirt. You stated car was perfect and the only imperfection was sunspots on the hatch transition at the glass. In person it looks way different.

No one is being dishonest here man. It is what it is...

Where did the turbos I bolted onto the car come from? Were they on there origionally?


This true Jeremy?

Did he give me videos, yes. He gave me a walk around, an interior, and an engine.

His walk around video... He keeps saying it's dirty and the only flaw is "the sunspots on the rear... " Can you see any damage? No. In person it looks way different.

Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAXVjwQ4Vyw&amp;feature=youtu.be

Do you see any damage?

Bill, you're playing the victim... Quit man. I did not feel comfortable staying at your place. The airfare, bags, car rental, meals, parts... That alone was $1000. I clearly stated I walked away from this deal... and now you're the victim? Also, you said the only thing disturbed on the vehicle was turbos and an ecu. That is not true.

[green-lantern]

Well it's a bummer, I can tell the car has more damage than just being dirty. Doesn't look that bad though. I agree with Chris, you got to expect the worst. Have it shipped, you can't trust a well built 3s some times so driving one with "tires I wouldn't trust" isn't a good idea. I would have had it shipped and with the money spent you probably could have had it shipped back and forth.

Oh well, good luck guys, I hate to see issues like this.

[J. Fast]

Again, I verified the timing before he fired the engine... this is the first crank. This engine was already damaged. First time turning it over...

20130405_181848 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQDYE8RXOQ&feature=youtu.be)


http://youtu.be/iTQDYE8RXOQ


http://youtu.be/iTQDYE8RXOQ

[cbr]

I did verify the timing before I had him prime the engine and fire it. You mis-read. I did not verify the timing after I he turned it over and it was kissing.



No I didn't. No one stabbed you in the back. You said all that black shit on the car was dirt... it wasn't. You said it was dirty because you pulled the cover off. Your camera hides A LOT! Look at the video. You keep repeating... it's dirty, that's dirt. You stated car was perfect and the only imperfection was sunspots on the hatch transition at the glass. In person it looks way different.

No one is being dishonest here man. It is what it is...

Where did the turbos I bolted onto the car come from? Were they on there origionally?



Did he give me videos, yes. He gave me a walk around, an interior, and an engine.

His walk around video... He keeps saying it's dirty and the only flaw is "the sunspots on the rear... " Can you see any damage? No. In person it looks way different.

Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAXVjwQ4Vyw&feature=youtu.be

Do you see any damage?

Bill, you're playing the victim... Quit man. I did not feel comfortable staying at your place. The airfare, bags, car rental, meals, parts... That alone was $1000. I clearly stated I walked away from this deal... and now you're the victim? Also, you said the only thing disturbed on the vehicle was turbos and an ecu. That is not true.

ok man,im done with this because this will keep going back and forth all night and I have better things to do. once again im real sorry that things turned out the way that they did. I still cant believe that you would lie on me about showing me the timing marks. we even rotated the crankshaft by hand in the dark with a flashlight after we got back from dinner. and felt the resistance and heard the "ping" when the piston hit the valve. you taught me about this shit man. why dispute that? then you hung out talking about ecus and injector maps for another hour. man I really did not expet you to call me dishonest.

ok cool you didnt feel cumfortable crashing at my house fine, but dont bitch about paying for a hotel room. the only thing that thi car needed that I failed to disclose was vacuum lines and the hose portion of the turbo cooler lines. you did not use your oil of cooling lines. you reused mine and you helped your self to my neighbor's spray paint and pinted them black. you chose to add all of those other parts. I had good gaskets that you could have used but you chose to use your other gaskets. so yea I forgot abput the vacuum and 3/8" water lines that it needed im sorry.

ok guys im just about done responding in the thread. you win j fast. im a dishonest scumbag
feel better now?
later guys

[green-lantern]

Holy hell that makes my head hurt. I know J can set timing but I can't imagine a car even with bent valves sounding that bad. I don't ever want to hear that again.

[cbr]

Again, I verified the timing before he fired the engine... this is the first crank. This engine was already damaged. First time turning it over...

20130405_181848 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQDYE8RXOQ&feature=youtu.be)


http://youtu.be/iTQDYE8RXOQ


http://youtu.be/iTQDYE8RXOQ

yea first crank my ass, we primed it first

[J. Fast]

For heavans sake man. I told you it was cool. I even took you out to dinner and we broke bread. I'm not trying to punk you man. I'm telling my story. I need to vent it out. It makes me feel better because it F***** hurts!

Yes, I showed you how to verify the timing and we looked at it afterward. Ofcourse it was off. I wouldn't expect it to be in time because it was definitely interfered with. See that video when we started it? I told you it didn't matter. The motor was done.

Again, where did you get the turbos you had me bolt on from Bill? Were they the origionals on the car you sold me?

[cbr]

For heavans sake man. I told you it was cool. I even took you out to dinner and we broke bread. I'm not trying to punk you man. I'm telling my story. I need to vent it out. It makes me feel better because it F***** hurts!

Yes, I showed you how to verify the timing and we looked at it afterward. Ofcourse it was off. I wouldn't expect it to be in time because it was definitely interfered with. See that video when we started it? I told you it didn't matter. The motor was done.

Again, where did you get the turbos you had me bolt on from Bill? Were they the origionals on the car you sold me?
no they were not. I bought them from someone local who had a theard on 3si.
same guy who sold me my fmic and 99 bumper

[J. Fast]

no they were not. I bought them from someone local who had a theard on 3si.
same guy who sold me my fmic and 99 bumper

What's his screen name?

[cbr]

jmcole80

[J. Fast]

Well, The turbos you gave me to install looked like this. I inquired about their condition and even asked you point blank. You said you sat them on the groud and dirt might have fell into them.

Personally, I think it's the bottom end on that there engine.

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112435_zpsaf7f356f.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112350_zpsb29d26cc.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112654_zpscaf015fb.jpg

So now let's be honest since you want to try and spin this... That is bearing material!

[J. Fast]

Thank you for refunding my money Bill. I'm gonna put this down for a lil bit. The more I type the more my emotions stir. I need to walk away for lil bit.

[cbr]

Well, The turbos you gave me to install looked like this. I inquired about their condition and even asked you point blank. You said you sat them on the groud and dirt might have fell into them.

Personally, I think it's the bottom end on that there engine.

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112435_zpsaf7f356f.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112350_zpsb29d26cc.jpg
http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130405_112654_zpscaf015fb.jpg

So now let's be honest since you want to try and spin this... That is bearing material!
so you knew that there was bearing material in those turbos and still bolted them up to the car? and you are a "3s tech"?
why didnt you show me that pic? I would have stopped you from bolting them on the car. it was still my car you didnt finish paying for it. thats just wrong man

here is the thread that i bought the turbos from
3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f4/fl-92-sl-tt-part-out-garage-clean-out-551161/)
you wont catch me in a lie but nice try. the origonal turbos on that car I sold when i bought those turbos

[cbr]

Thank you for refunding my money Bill. I'm gonna put this down for a lil bit. The more I type the more my emotions stir. I need to walk away for lil bit.

Im sorry J. I really am sorry that things turned out the way they did. I swear I never meant to waste your time and money

[J. Fast]

Im sorry J. I really am sorry that things turned out the way they did. I swear I never meant to
waste your time and money
Its cool man. I forgive you. Right now I'm just glad to be home. Im gonna go to church and hang with my wife and kids. This thread will die... I'm past it. I made peace with the guy upstairs. That was all I needed to do. I could dwell on it and be bitter and angry and allow those corrosive emotions to destroy me. Or, I can redirect myself and focus on what's really most important to me. It's neither cars, nor money.

I wish you the best man.

[J. Fast]

btw did I tell you to waste money on a rental car? or did I offer to pick you up? Nope, you never offered so quit acting like you're not a stereotypical selfish New Yorker that typically only looks after themselves. You said you had things to do. I told you it was cool and I'd rent a car or take an Airport Shuttle. You never once offered to pick me up.


did I tell you to waste money on 2 nights on the top floor of the Hilton hotel on A1A strip with a beach side view? or did I offer you my couch to crash on?Okay, a 10 year old ragtag couch covered with grease and sand isn't hospitality. Seriously, that was the only piece of furniture in your house. You have a kitchen with no dishes, a couch, a MIG and a tacklebox with tools in it. I would have rather slept in a tree or dug a hole with an E-Tool and slept in it.



wow man, you were the one who showed me where the timing marks were off. "timing theory" ok whatever man. Seriously, you're going to sit there and play dumb. Wha wha wha... "I know Ray and Dave I've seen them do hundreds of timing belt jobs... Been an owner since 1994 and owned over a dozen 3/S's" and your going to act like you don't know this stuff? Its obsurd.



did I tell you to go out and drink all night and hook up with 2 hot girls ? you know the local chick and the one from ct who tried to friend you on facebook ? I remrmber giving you the keys to my home and going to bed.

What was I going to take... your nasty ass couch? A To-Go cup? You're rusted ass sand filled toolbox?


so im sorry you had such a bad time in florida.

Despite the string of dishonest events I managed to make the best of it. Had I been some broke ass college kit with a rusty nickel in my pocket it probably would have sucked.


where are these dents and ripples? te only thing you kept complaining about was the salt everywhere. Uhh, yaa as in it looked like it was submereged in the ocean. An you said it was a 9-10 for paint... Okay, on a scale of 1 to 30... maybe?


Lets be honest here. you told me after the first night of working on it that if you saw this car locally that you would walk away from it.


right then and there I told you to stop and walk if you didnt want it. you chose to keep working on it. so the car must have done something for you. No you didn't... you gave me your "woe's me" story about being broke and needing the money and having already spent it. I told you I would re-evaluate my position given the operating condition of the motor. As in "I was going to make you an offer IF and only IF IT RAN". And to no surprise it didn't.


or could it be that you are just real pissed off and need to attack my rep by going with the "miss advertised" theory.
btw the cracked active aero was in the origional ad. I still have it from the ebay ad

You tried to pass off a banged up, salted, rust bucket roller with a spun bearing off as a 9-10 body/paint car that only needed turbos and an ECU... You forgot to mention it was in a Hurricane, likely spent some time under water, and was being stored on a beach with paper towels protecting critical components.


ok man,im done with this because this will keep going back and forth all night and I have better things to do. once again im real sorry that things turned out the way that they did. I still cant believe that you would lie on me about showing me the timing marks. we even rotated the crankshaft by hand in the dark with a flashlight after we got back from dinner. and felt the resistance and heard the "ping" when the piston hit the valve. you taught me about this shit man. why dispute that? then you hung out talking about ecus and injector maps for another hour. man I really did not expet you to call me dishonest. Don't you get it man, that video tells it all right there. That engine was cranked in time. YOU CAN HEAR THE RODS SMACKING THE CRANK. That thing wouldn't hold time because the motor is out of phase BECAUSE IT'S BLOWN!


ok cool you didnt feel cumfortable crashing at my house fine, but dont bitch about paying for a hotel room. the only thing that thi car needed that I failed to disclose was vacuum lines and the hose portion of the turbo cooler lines. you did not use your oil of cooling lines. you reused mine and you helped your self to my neighbor's spray paint and pinted them black. you chose to add all of those other parts. I had good gaskets that you could have used but you chose to use your other gaskets. so yea I forgot abput the vacuum and 3/8" water lines that it needed im sorry. And you forgot to mention that you altered the Crank Sensor, AND you forgot to mention you swapped the coils, AND you forgot to mention that the spark plug wires were eaten by rats, AND you forgot to mention you removed the injectors and reinstalled them improperly and consequently caused a historical fuel geyser, AND you forgot to mention the manifolds were cracked, AND you forgot to mention you altered the grounding, and you forgot to mention the coolant lines had holes in them, AND you forgot to mention the turbos you gave me to install were filled with metal AND, AND, AND, AND...


ok guys im just about done responding in the thread. you win j fast. im a dishonest scumbag
feel better now?
later guys


so you knew that there was bearing material in those turbos and still bolted them up to the car? and you are a "3s tech"?
why didnt you show me that pic? I would have stopped you from bolting them on the car. it was still my car you didnt finish paying for it. thats just wrong man

here is the thread that i bought the turbos from
3000GT/Stealth International Message Center (http://www.3si.org/forum/f4/fl-92-sl-tt-part-out-garage-clean-out-551161/)
you wont catch me in a lie but nice try. the origonal turbos on that car I sold when i bought those turbos

Man, quit trying to act like I didn't bring it to your attention. You're certainly a fast talkin guy from New York. I had to wait to confirm I got my money back before I spoke for myself.

I got my money back and learned a valuable lesson. I will never purchase a vehicle sight unseen and throw money around a "to good to be true" ever again. God wanted me to learn that lesson. I have and will be more critical in the future.

I'm going to go spend some time with King James. Man, after this post I need it.

[CoopKill]

Go buy a blue box, stuff the contents of it in your bleeding holes, and take it to 3si. Same shit this time as went on last time you got in a tiff with someone. The lies always fly...

[Willens]

J, really sorry to hear about your experience. I took the "sight unseen" plunge myself a year ago January. Didn't quite turn out to this magnitude, but yeah it "just stopped working one day" but after some back-and-forth I gave a solid deal for it, and had it shipped. I've spent a lot of time finding and fixing things, found some weird "maintenance" in the form of a non OEM water pump with a paper board gasket, 10mm nut behind the pickup with foliage, somehow NEVER sucked it up, just a true test, but it's finally coming to the point of 100%. I'll never do one again. If you need someone that's been there done that to chat with, I'm your Huckleberry :)

[green-lantern]

Probably should have just let this die

[Snook]

Probably should have just let this die

then where will i get my entertainment for the night? lol

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

Probably should have just let this die

yeah you are doing no one any favors making fun of their home. If you ever come to my place you can sleep in the yard.

[Boost4VR4]

Yeah this thread is beyond ridiculous. In before the lock.

[green-lantern]

yeah you are doing no one any favors making fun of their home. If you ever come to my place you can sleep in the yard.

For a sec I thought you were talking about me. What did I do Chris? :lo5l:

Yeah I offered my place to J if he came this way but I'm not sure if I would have had enough bitches and bible to satisfy. If you know what I mean....

[Willens]

So, the real question here is...
Which route did we determine best, DFW/OKC?

[Chris@Rvengeperformance]

lol of course I wasn't talking about you. I'm sure if I didn't have chilled Dom waiting for him Jeremy would be mad.

I mean seriously who expects a Hilton type living environment when you are working on a car in someone else's house?

[green-lantern]

lol of course I wasn't talking about you. I'm sure if I didn't have chilled Dom waiting for him Jeremy would be mad.

I mean seriously who expects a Hilton type living environment when you are working on a car in someone else's house?

Not me, I'm happy with anything that doesn't give me bed bugs.

I just can't help but laugh about the running off with girls and making the best of it, then getting back to the lord and family.

I really didn't want to post in this this thread any more. Bad idea bumping it.

[FeaRpb]

Did you even use my turbos I sent you or the ones he had?


Sorry for the bump......

[J. Fast]

I'm sorry if my describing living quarters comes across as insulting. There is no way to describe the sleeping arrangements without making it sound insulting. First and foremost, the places I've slept would make people cringe. Ant hills, swamps, Panama Jungle, Mojave Desert... I'm not above or below. For example, every year Erron myself and a bunch of guys From NABR get together and go racing. We sleep in a race trailer stacked like sardines on cold steel, it wreaks like race fuel and spilled oil. I'm not above sleeping anywhere.

I am however above sleeping somewhere I feel uncomfortable. There were little crackheads and hookers walking the streets the next a block over. Literally, I was told if my stuff wasn't bolted down it would likely get stolen or jacked. I had a lot of cash $ in my posession, high dollar tools, checkbooks, and etc. I'm the kind of guy you want to take stuff from that comes to the ghetto. I prefer in cases like that to sleep with a gat. I was better suited to stay in a hotel with a room safe given the environment and circumstance.


Regarding the girls, sure, I went out and I met some people. They were cool as hell. So what... I met some girls, but I met a whole group of people. Always wore my wedding ring, spoke of my wife and kids, and carried myself like a gentlemen and respected the boundaries of my marriage. It just so happens the group of folks I met, a few of the people just so happened to be moving to work at the ski resorts about an hour away from where I reside in Denver. I will party with them when they move here in the fall. And should I visit Cocoa Beach or Daytona in the future my family is welcome to stay with them. I'm an open person, very genuine in person, and I talk to people. I would never do anything to jepordize my marriage. My wife's hot and my kids are awesome!


I walk a certain line and accountable to the guy upstairs. My marriage, children, family, friends, personal success... those are gifts from him and I never cross them.


I'm pretty much finished with what I need to say regarding the entire ordeal.

As far as rout selection... Honestly, I was leaning on heading north thru Tenn. I was likely going to ask Chris or Paul for a place to crash and would have supp'd the beer.

[J. Fast]

Thank you guys for listening and letting me get this off my chest. You guys made me laugh a bit and I feel better now.

[green-lantern]

Regarding the girls, sure, I went out and I met some people. They were cool as hell. So what... I met some girls, but I met a whole group of people. Always wore my wedding ring, spoke of my wife and kids, and carried myself like a gentlemen and respected the boundaries of my marriage. It just so happens the group of folks I met, a few of the people just so happened to be moving to work at the ski resorts about an hour away from where I reside in Denver. I will party with them when they move here in the fall. And should I visit Cocoa Beach or Daytona in the future my family is welcome to stay with them. I'm an open person, very genuine in person, and I talk to people. I would never do anything to jepordize my marriage. My wife's hot and my kids are awesome!


That's cool, it sounded like you went out and got laid so that's why I was bashing on that comment. I shouldn't assume (you know what they say). No matter what you did it's not up to me to judge anyway.

[vroom4]

I guess no one else saw this coming...

[cbr]

Nope, you never offered so quit acting like you're not a stereotypical selfish New Yorker that typically only looks after themselves. You said you had things to do. I told you it was cool and I'd rent a car or take an Airport Shuttle. You never once offered to pick me up.

Okay, a 10 year old ragtag couch covered with grease and sand isn't hospitality. Seriously, that was the only piece of furniture in your house. You have a kitchen with no dishes, a couch, a MIG and a tacklebox with tools in it. I would have rather slept in a tree or dug a hole with an E-Tool and slept in it.


Seriously, you're going to sit there and play dumb. Wha wha wha... "I know Ray and Dave I've seen them do hundreds of timing belt jobs... Been an owner since 1994 and owned over a dozen 3/S's" and your going to act like you don't know this stuff? Its obsurd.




What was I going to take... your nasty ass couch? A To-Go cup? You're rusted ass sand filled toolbox?



Despite the string of dishonest events I managed to make the best of it. Had I been some broke ass college kit with a rusty nickel in my pocket it probably would have sucked.

Uhh, yaa as in it looked like it was submereged in the ocean. An you said it was a 9-10 for paint... Okay, on a scale of 1 to 30... maybe?



No you didn't... you gave me your "woe's me" story about being broke and needing the money and having already spent it. I told you I would re-evaluate my position given the operating condition of the motor. As in "I was going to make you an offer IF and only IF IT RAN". And to no surprise it didn't.



You tried to pass off a banged up, salted, rust bucket roller with a spun bearing off as a 9-10 body/paint car that only needed turbos and an ECU... You forgot to mention it was in a Hurricane, likely spent some time under water, and was being stored on a beach with paper towels protecting critical components.

Don't you get it man, that video tells it all right there. That engine was cranked in time. YOU CAN HEAR THE RODS SMACKING THE CRANK. That thing wouldn't hold time because the motor is out of phase BECAUSE IT'S BLOWN!

And you forgot to mention that you altered the Crank Sensor, AND you forgot to mention you swapped the coils, AND you forgot to mention that the spark plug wires were eaten by rats, AND you forgot to mention you removed the injectors and reinstalled them improperly and consequently caused a historical fuel geyser, AND you forgot to mention the manifolds were cracked, AND you forgot to mention you altered the grounding, and you forgot to mention the coolant lines had holes in them, AND you forgot to mention the turbos you gave me to install were filled with metal AND, AND, AND, AND...





Man, quit trying to act like I didn't bring it to your attention. You're certainly a fast talkin guy from New York. I had to wait to confirm I got my money back before I spoke for myself.

I got my money back and learned a valuable lesson. I will never purchase a vehicle sight unseen and throw money around a "to good to be true" ever again. God wanted me to learn that lesson. I have and will be more critical in the future.

I'm going to go spend some time with King James. Man, after this post I need it.

hey j does this mean youre not coming over for thanksgiving dinner?

too bad you were too pussy to say that shit in my face.

[Willens]

And I thought FaceBook had drama.

[cbr]

your pussy ass would not last 5 minutes in new york city "rich boy"

btw when did I bring up ray and dave other then to tell you dave worked on my past cars?

[IPD]

IBTL!!!

:p

[futurevr4man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UjnWWVfqBA