Is our suspension setup correctly by aftermarket strut MFR's? Is the bias correct?

[2faststealth4u]

I was looking up coil overs today and after reading this post I am getting picky.. Reading almost every coilover in my price range was 14k front 10k rear

[J. Fast]

Has anyone looked into ISC coilovers? I don't know if many 3000gt people run them but they are quite popular on the subaru platform. I have them in my suby and I really love the way it handles. I'm not a serious track racer though, and I don't know a whole lot about shock dynos. I've just done a few autocrosses for fun. But ISC's are supposively made in MA so maybe they would be willing to work with someone on custom spring rates or dampening. They were able to get me sti coilovers with different top hats for my 98 impreza, and special rear adjustable camber plates.



Shock Dyno Results | ISC Suspension NA (http://iscsuspension-na.com/coilover-photos/shock-dyno-results/)


ISC COILOVERS (http://www.isc-performance.com/) Those plots look pretty good. 60-70% critically dampened at low speed and 30-40% at high speed. Nice progression.

[J. Fast]

I was looking up coil overs today and after reading this post I am getting picky.. Reading almost every coilover in my price range was 14k front 10k rear Select your tires, weigh your hubs, brakes, lug nuts, wheels, tires (all un-sprung weight) and then corner weigh it and call me bro. Those spring rates aren't right for a performance improvement. I don't think you can spring that high with a street tire. That's DOT slick territory and requires big ass brakes for the grip associated with race comp tires. Select 10/10 springs at most with a street tire and have them valved for 60-70%Cc in low speed and 30Cc in high. You will have to custom order them and do some weighing and measuring. Off the shelf = not right. Might be wise to call Jason Daniels at Vorshlag or Andrew @ GTWorx and have them help you package a setup. We have 0 suspension support for this platform. I sought my answers from Evo, Porsche, and Hyundai suspension engineers and cleared, plowed, and paved my own way. OT = You still in Michigan bro? When you come to visit come see me and scope the fleet, they're ridiculous!

[2faststealth4u]

Select your tires, weigh your hubs, brakes, lug nuts, wheels, tires (all un-sprung weight) and then corner weigh it and call me bro. Those spring rates aren't right for a performance improvement. I don't think you can spring that high with a street tire. That's DOT slick territory and requires big ass brakes for the grip associated with race comp tires. Select 10/10 springs at most with a street tire and have them valved for 60-70%Cc in low speed and 30Cc in high. You will have to custom order them and do some weighing and measuring. Off the shelf = not right. Might be wise to call Jason Daniels at Vorshlag or Andrew @ GTWorx and have them help you package a setup. We have 0 suspension support for this platform. I sought my answers from Evo, Porsche, and Hyundai suspension engineers and cleared, plowed, and paved my own way. OT = You still in Michigan bro? When you come to visit come see me and scope the fleet, they're ridiculous!

Yeah I'm up here decided might as well go to U of M then relocating to Aurora in a few years but ill be that way hopefully in the next few weeks :).. I get on the c3s and troll around a bit ill say hi on there when I do :)
And yeah before I purchase any of this ill ring you.. You can buy quality coilovers for a focus but not our platform? Chit is cray

[J. Fast]

Had my first navigator ride today, DK77, since getting the latest coilovers revalved and fine tuned. I should never have to make another big adjustment unless I put on rain tires. Words can not express how happy I am with the grip and ride feel. Flat turn-in, neutral feel, minimal body roll, grip and power everywhere. I actually wish I would have modded the suspension first now. I

I've two test and tune track days planned for this next week and then it's time to commission for racing.

[Nihil]

Had my first navigator ride today, DK77, since getting the latest coilovers revalved and fine tuned. I should never have to make another big adjustment unless I put on rain tires. Words can not express how happy I am with the grip and ride feel. Flat turn-in, neutral feel, minimal body roll, grip and power everywhere. I actually wish I would have modded the suspension first now. I

I've two test and tune track days planned for this next week and then it's time to commission for racing.

So what are your final suspension specs then? This is great news!

[DK77]

Riding in J's car is ridiculous LOL. He could flick the steering wheel at 75 mph and cut across 3 lanes and the car didn't protest at all. I'm pretty sure had I not been buckled in he could have thrown me out the window just with the G-forces he could pull doing a hard corner at pretty much any speed he wanted. Unfortunately now I'm going to drive my car and just be like what the hell, this handles terrible compared to that haha.

[J. Fast]

So what are your final suspension specs then? This is great news!

WinGeo geometry yielded .85 motion ratio for the front and .96 for the rears. The springs I selected based on my corner weights, corner un-sprung weights, suspension travel, aero considerations, and tire selections were 628lb rear and 600lb front. My setup is digressive/digressive in compression/rebound and 65% critically dampened at 3in/sec. Tire is a BFG R1 Road Race. Stock sway bar in the front, stock bar in the rear. + 3/F 2/R camber, 0 toe, + 2 caster. Don't mind sharing, means nothing without explicit knowledge of my setup, internal shock shim-stack configurations, and knob positions... my setup is unique. One last thing... Big thanks is due to Peter Zlamany at SCR Performance for fielding questions and teaching me hands on how to optimize race suspensions. Guy spent some serious time working with me until wee hours of the night to help track prepare and test, and most importantly understand my data acquisition.

[2faststealth4u]

From now on I'm calling the company before ordering. So the whole 10k front 12k rears worked well then.. Hmm maybe even 12front 14 backs

[J. Fast]

Might be a little drift car biased with a rear spring that hard and no aero or rake with a stock sway bar. Equal spring rates puts you in the ballpark for neutral handling. Really depends on each setup... 742lb rear springs might work well with no rear sway. Best grip scenario is no sways and some compensation for droop on a spring divider and compensation for it in the shocks. Independent 4 wheel suspension is very compliant. I've tried 5 sets of dampeners, 12 sets of springs, sways, no sways, helper springs, dual rate spring setup, single knob dampeners, dual knob shocks, 3 knob adjustable shocks, 4 OEM shock/spring combos and several variations of brake and wheel/tire combo's. Kinda got a real good picture of okay/good/better/best and how each grips and what I like.

[2faststealth4u]

So essentially best bet it get as close to even as possible? So 10-11k fronts and same for the rear

[Nihil]

So essentially best bet it get as close to even as possible? So 10-11k fronts and same for the rear

I'm going with 11k front and rear when I get my coilovers, which should be soon

[J. Fast]

... more testing and weight work at SCR today and we nut and bolted for the track. We also installed these trick camber bolts designed right here in Ft. Collins, Colorado. I was able to take the camber to -4 degrees with them in the full clocked position. With aftermarket camber plates and OEM bolts maxed the largest camber I could achieve was a little over -2.5 degrees with the pilot bearings and bolts maxed. $28 for and additional -1.5 degrees of camber worked out great!

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130730_165916_zps7a1aca43.jpg

Fifth and final trip to the alignment rack and scales...

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130730_152321_zpsafed4488.jpg

Here's my final alignment spec's for race day with this tire compared to my initial settings from a month ago.

http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130730_212623_zps443c7854.jpg

Fronts:

+4.5 Caster
-3.0 Camber
0 Toe
+1.0" Track width

Rear:

-2.15 Camber
0 Toe
0 Thrust
+1.0" Track width

Wheelbase increase .5"

Corner weights are biased approximately 58/42 front to rear, 50/50 left to right, and 50/50 on the diagnals.

FYI, those bolts are pretty trick for camber increase for you aftermarket guys looking to score more camber when you don't have a camber adjustment shouder like OEM shocks use.

For an idea of where I'm at on weight... approx 3500lbs with me in it and a fulll tank of gas with a full interior.

Another cage is in the works :).

[R/T93]

Eibach sells that exact part (the camber bolt). I have ran them for years with my n/a and turbo.

[J. Fast]

Eibach sells that exact part (the camber bolt). I have ran them for years with my n/a and turbo.

What are your alignment settings?

[J. Fast]

3374lbs empty... 3560lbs with me in it. http://i788.photobucket.com/albums/yy163/JFastMotorsports/20130730_152429_zps9747768a.jpg

[Erron Spalsbury]

I have a bunch of those bolts, I would have given you mine. They'll turn on ya while on track and slip.

Why did you blank out your secondary specs? Looks like Pete did the alignment, tell us what's up.

Making a 2nd cage? Should have cage this car to begin with! LOL Details? What about the race car? No more street car for you then?

[vroom4]

Any ideas how I would go about getting some 'crash bolts' made for a different platform? My mazdaspeed3 needs them horribly and mazdaspeed motorsports basically said im SOL.

[sergechronos]

So J, how much total are you into for your suspension at this point?

[J. Fast]

I have a bunch of those bolts, I would have given you mine. They'll turn on ya while on track and slip.

Why did you blank out your secondary specs? Looks like Pete did the alignment, tell us what's up.

Making a 2nd cage? Should have cage this car to begin with! LOL Details? What about the race car? No more street car for you then?

The bolts are good, they have a lockout tab and shouldn't rotate but we'll see on Friday. I like thw idea because the don't impact the front swing arm and roll center position as dramatically as shifting the camber plates. The adjustment is clser to the hub so the roll angle stays closer to the ground. I covered up the lower geometry as I think thats a service that should be paid for as It gives up the ghost on my setup. This will be racecar #2. Gave you the skInny over the phone....

[Erron Spalsbury]

The bolts are good, they have a lockout tab and shouldn't rotate but we'll see on Friday. I like thw idea because the don't impact the front swing arm and roll center position as dramatically as shifting the camber plates. The adjustment is clser to the hub so the roll angle stays closer to the ground. I covered up the lower geometry as I think thats a service that should be paid for as It gives up the ghost on my setup. This will be racecar #2. Gave you the skInny over the phone....

Oh! Ya, I didn't use the tab's on mine, I couldn't get them over far enough with the tabs in place. I've heard you can drill additional holes for the locking tabs but didn't want to drill the JIC's. :w00t:

[J. Fast]

So J, how much total are you into for your suspension at this point?

$2500 per car average. Everything I'm bolting on is used and rebuilt to my spec from racecars on evolutionm. I did pay 5K for two sets of JRZ's worth 15K. My third set which is Muellerized JIC's were $1400 with respring and revalve. Add in there $1,000 or less in misc hardware, corner balancing, alignments, fitting all 3 sets and advanced training on shock rebuilds and optimizing suspensions.

[J. Fast]

Any ideas how I would go about getting some 'crash bolts' made for a different platform? My mazdaspeed3 needs them horribly and mazdaspeed motorsports basically said im SOL.

I would contact SCR, they have a good relationship with that crash bolt mfr. They might even have them in stock. Number is on the alignment sheet.

[sergechronos]

$2500 per car average. Everything I'm bolting on is used and rebuilt to my spec from racecars on evolutionm. I did pay 5K for two sets of JRZ's worth 15K. My third set which is Muellerized JIC's were $1400 with respring and revalve. Add in there $1,000 or less in misc hardware, corner balancing, alignments, fitting all 3 sets and advanced training on shock rebuilds and optimizing suspensions.

Impressive..And these are still streetable for you? Had been looking at dropping around 2k into the Apexi S1 set up from SCE, but wouldn't mind paying another grand or so for the performance you seem to have wrung out of them.

[J. Fast]

Impressive..And these are still streetable for you? Had been looking at dropping around 2k into the Apexi S1 set up from SCE, but wouldn't mind paying another grand or so for the performance you seem to have wrung out of them.

DEFINITELY, you can do whatever you want with them because they're rebuildable and the springs are hella cheap! There's really good deals to be had at Evolutionm for unilateral parts. A setup I keep eyeballing is a triple adjustable KW Robispec Rally Suspension selling for $3500 right now. It's easily a $10,000 setup (total baller setup) and would handle like a dream wherever you employed it. It's the same setup 7 of the top 10 finishing teams at Pikes Peak Hill Climb used.

I ran some S1's a few years ago. I really didn't know much about suspensions back then so I yardsale'd them. I will say if I purchase another performance car in the future my first upgrades will be brakes, suspension, tires and corner balance/alignment. A good setup is enlightening.

[sergechronos]

That had been my plan until my motor crapped out. Went with 13Ts during the rebuild, will be switching to E85 in a couple months and then get the suspension components right. Bright side of it all though is at the time I would've just shelled out for the S1s and adapters, and had no idea about how it actually works. Won't be a drag race monster, but should make for a much improved streetcar that doesn't handle like a 20 year old car..Need to get off my ass and get to making poly bushings.

[Nihil]

Here's BC Racings dyno's, They're opposite of Megans, These are suppose to be specific to our platform for the AWD, as when I requested them, I gave them the part number. So, out of all the different "tuner suspensions" Megan and BC Racing are the only two who've supplied dyno graphs. BC will take custom requests, and ships all coilovers with dyno's matched at 5%. There's a lot of good reviews from other platforms, one being an NSX club and SCION. These are what I'm going to be going with, with a 11k/11k setup, valved to match. We'll see how they turn out...anything is going to be better than 20 year old stock suspension.

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[2fnloud]

Nihil,

I am definitely not a suspension guru, but what I have going on with my new ECS struts is very nice and performed very well at NG.

[Nihil]

Nihil,

I am definitely not a suspension guru, but what I have going on with my new ECS struts is very nice and performed very well at NG.

Yeah, I looked into that as well, and I'm goin with a full coilover setup instead. I'm really interested in seeing what a properly set up tunes suspension setup will do, I also want to go lower than what stock can adequately provide.

[sergechronos]

A well done coil over system (read: J's) should exceed the capabilities of the stock system in terms of handling, response and comfort. The stock ECS system is highly capable though and not a bad system all together, but it definitely isn't as low as it could be, and putting lowering springs on it tends to wear it out. Factor in the high cost of replacement, not really a bad idea to swap to coilovers.

[IPD]

so no response from D2? hmm.....

[2faststealth4u]

I love BC coilovers.. :) work great on the sc and Supra

[J. Fast]

Holy s***! The BC coilovers dyno plots are the exact same ones in this thread for Megans. Nihil paid for them... WOW! It's amazing how much better the same shock will ride with a different name on it.

[familyMAN]

That's what I was seeing but didn't speak up since I don't know anything about suspension setup. (Well I do have my fully adj Fox fork on my mtn bike dialed in pretty well:)) So BC would have the same rebound characteristics as the other cheaper coilovers, correct?

[Nihil]

I haven't paid for anything, the sheets are different, Megan is on back order, BC also does custom valving and matches their shocks and includes dyno sheets with their sets. Those are for off the shelf.

No need to act arrogant and rude....others have said good things about BC along with all the other "tuner" setups. My goal here is to use your information and apply it to the average coilover setup and see what the outcome is...I have a feeling most bad reviews/opinions on the tuner stuff is based on improper installation/setup, and I don't feel like there's a downside to my decision.

[J. Fast]

I haven't paid for anything, the sheets are different, Megan is on back order, BC also does custom valving and matches their shocks and includes dyno sheets with their sets. Those are for off the shelf.

No need to act arrogant and rude....others have said good things about BC along with all the other "tuner" setups. My goal here is to use your information and apply it to the average coilover setup and see what the outcome is...I have a feeling most bad reviews/opinions on the tuner stuff is based on improper installation/setup, and I don't feel like there's a downside to my decision..
My bad, I didn't mean to come across as arrogant. I'm more shocked than anything. I thought you said BC was going to charge you $15 for their coilover shock plots a few pages back and your post was the results. Where did you get that most recent shock plot from?

[J. Fast]

That's what I was seeing... So BC would have the same rebound characteristics as the other cheaper coilovers, correct?
They are the same exact shock. BC coilovers are made at the same plant as the Megans. They're shock plots for off-the-shelf coil overs are identical.

[Nihil]

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My bad, I didn't mean to come across as arrogant. I'm more shocked than anything. I thought you said BC was going to charge you $15 for their coilover shock plots a few pages back and your post was the results. Where did you get that most recent shock plot from?

Ksport were the ones that cost, according to them, they would actually dyno it and send results.

Supposedly, Megan is BC's lesser line.

These most recent plots are from BC via email

[sergechronos]

Well, best of luck with it Nihil, I hope you end up with good results for it. Looking forward to hearing your review.

I will probably hold of on it until I'm done with school (unless I land a job) and end up repurposing an Evo set up.

[Nihil]

So, just a brief update from me. Finally got my car back together about 3 weeks ago, I've got about 450 miles on my turbo rebuild and transmission break-in so I've been easy on her.

I ended up with the BC Racing BR Type coilover setup with 11kg springs both front and rear, currently I'm running stock ride height, and after about 100 miles of driving I backed off the adjustments completely soft for the roads around here...and for my fiancée...ha. It rides a smidge more firm than stock in sport mode, in my opinion. I could surprisingly notice a big difference in the adjustment being backed off.

So, today I got on it a little bit through this one on ramp that's a nice tight turn that I previously got a lot of push/understeer in with the stock old blown out ECS setup and there was absolutely no push and the rear end felt like it was gonna kick out if I pushed it any more...being this is on public roads I wasn't going to push my luck. The turn was a 40-45mph turn when you could start breaking loose on the front end causing understeer...Not anymore, felt like I could've gassed it more and broken the rear end loose.

I hope to get everything else up to par in the next year or so and maybe do a track day where I can get a little wreckless and see what she can do!

[sergechronos]

Hmm, not too bad for people wanting a rear bias, but I would be vaguely concerned that it already feels like that at just 40mph. Suppose it depends on how sharp the ramp is though, probably sharper than I'm imagining. Maybe pick up a couple 9kg and 10kg springs and test to see how it feels?

Would be considered that any future changes to the suspension could alter those handling characteristics though, so maybe just ignore me.

[Nihil]

Hmm, not too bad for people wanting a rear bias, but I would be vaguely concerned that it already feels like that at just 40mph. Suppose it depends on how sharp the ramp is though, probably sharper than I'm imagining. Maybe pick up a couple 9kg and 10kg springs and test to see how it feels?

Would be considered that any future changes to the suspension could alter those handling characteristics though, so maybe just ignore me.

Yeah, I'd imagine once lowered it'll change things. The ramp is pretty tight and not cambered a whole lot.

Yay for google maps! lol
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I'm thinking of possibly going to a softer spring rate for a more comfortable ride, I won't know until I lower it, if I'll need stiffer for the roads around here, I don't want to bottom out and eat a fender.

*edit* I'm also running snow tires as well.

[sergechronos]

Tires alone will make a huge difference. Snow tires when there's no snow on the ground can't compete even against all seasons, let alone actual high performance. I'd say lower it how you want it and put more performance oriented tires on it before altering spring rates for handling. I forget some people have actual snow to worry about.

Not sure if coil overs settle like springs do or not. I know springs on previous vehicles (haven't dropped the Vr4x4 yet) that the springs definitely got a bit softer and the ride a bit lower still after a couple thousand miles.

[Nihil]

Tires alone will make a huge difference. Snow tires when there's no snow on the ground can't compete even against all seasons, let alone actual high performance. I'd say lower it how you want it and put more performance oriented tires on it before altering spring rates for handling. I forget some people have actual snow to worry about.

Not sure if coil overs settle like springs do or not. I know springs on previous vehicles (haven't dropped the Vr4x4 yet) that the springs definitely got a bit softer and the ride a bit lower still after a couple thousand miles.

Yeah, I'll see how it works out when it's late spring and I can run my street tires. From my experience though, the snow tires have a lot less grip and break loose easier, and previously the front broke loose and pushed outside, where as now, with the same tires, the rear felt like it was gonna break loose first, which was nice...perhaps I'll have to go to the outskirts of town and see what happens when it does break loose, or just wait. My next upgrades needed are for the transfer case...Don't wanna be too hard on the drivetrain in stock form.

[J. Fast]

Great to hear your results Nihil. I look forward to reading more about your setup in the spring when you swap in some performance radials. If it's a little to loose in the back disconnect the sway-bar or add some down-force. Have you corner weigh'd and aligned your setup? What are your alignment spec's currently?

[Nihil]

Great to hear your results Nihil. I look forward to reading more about your setup in the spring when you swap in some performance radials. If it's a little to loose in the back disconnect the sway-bar or add some down-force. Have you corner weigh'd and aligned your setup? What are your alignment spec's currently?

No corner weighing, I don't have the means to accomplishing that, nor do any of the shops around here. I threw the alignment specs away, it was all in the green, that's all I can tell you. I did a steering rack rebuild, with the new coilovers along with a bunch of other stuff so I was just wanting to button everything up for winter and get her back on the road so the alignment wasn't anything other than getting it to drive and handle correctly. I've got a lot of ironing out to do with the rest of the car as well, so we'll see how things go from here on out. I'm curious to see how things change once lowered.

[sergechronos]

Splurged, picked up a used set of Muellerized JIC FLT-TARs. Waiting to hear back from Muellerized what they want to repurpose them from Evo usage to 3/S usage. PO said he was building a track car out of them, so I imagine that the spring rates and valving are likely more than I'd want for my usage.

Jeremy, you said that Muellerized did redo those JIC FLT-TARs for you right? Since I've got the front suspension apart anyhow for rebuild/replacement, and the price I paid, I can't complain too much. Pretty much using my tax return on it, which may slightly delay the rebuild of the engine, but first time I've seen a set of these up for sale for less than 1700 in the past 3 months. Hopefully get some of these other parts of mine sold so that I can get the rebuild done and get these redone by Muellerized.

[J. Fast]

Yes, JIC's are re-buildable. He will give you a questionnaire and a confidentiality form to sign. The big thing is getting an idea of your tire type, ride height, and weight distribution so he can spring and valve in your window.

[sergechronos]

Excellent. I knew that they were rebuildable, just didn't know if the Muellerized ones you picked up before were redone by Muellerized or if you had to get someone else to do them.

18x9 summer high performance tires..Going to have to guesstimate a bit on the ride height and weight distribution as the car is still mostly disassembled and about an hour away from me. Figure somewhere around a 1.5" drop up front, maybe 1.25" in back should give fairly even wheel gap all the way around. Car is still full weight..So shouldn't be too tough for them for them to work with. Likely close to a default or baseline calibration for them. If I have to send them back in to get redone again once I've got the car together, broken in, and modified the way I want, I have no problem with that.

[sergechronos]

Received emails from Muellerized today as follows, posting for information for others:


Hi,

Do you have the seller's name or the original purchaser's name if different?
In most cases we have detailed notes that we can reference when we have that
information.

I'm sending you one of our suspension customer info forms (in a separate
e-mail) that will allow us to have the details we need in order to comment
on how to best meet your needs. Please let us know if you have any
questions while filling it out.

Also, additionally, JIC hasn't existed for ~4 years now, so parts
availability and the ability to service them is VERY limited. If you can
send us pictures of the suspension and it's condition we may be able to
comment a little more in detail.

Generally suspension setup for a customer supplied suspension (bench job) is
2 to 3 hours of labor plus springs if necessary (shop rate is $95/hour).
Eibach ERS springs are $75 each. That is without any re-valving.
Re-valving is unlikely to be a possibility and with parts this far out of
manufacture there is absolutely no guarantee that we will be able to improve
them if they are damaged or worn out and need rebuilding.

Our Muellerized Ohlins are now available at a HUGE discount due to a recent
manufacturer's price drop of $620 off the former retail. This puts them
only a few hundred dollars away from the original JIC retail for a
suspension that is a whole different ballgame in every aspect (design, build
quality, performance, ride quality, and warranty).

Regards,
Orlando Rojas
Operations Manager

[mb3000]

Ohlins or nothing it seems...

[sergechronos]

Indeed. Which, not arguing that Ohlins are likely better given the four years of advancement that they've had, but really the inability to revalve them seems like it'd be pointless to swap springs then since these have already been "Muellerized". Not sure what benefit I would see from having them redo these if they can't revalve to match the spring rate, but I'm going to reply with all the information I have and see what they say about it. Unsure what additional improvements they can make though.

Edit: Hoping Muellerized can provide info on spring rates for these, but they may not. Previous owner had them on an 03 Evo8 GSR (Go on youtube for Fourced4cyl to find some videos) for track use which was almost completely stripped out, so may actually be a bit up the creek here to try to use these for the street.

[R/T93]

Wtf 600$ discount? Lame. I paid full damn price :/

They are still awesome though...

From the phone.

[J. Fast]

Might be worth trying another rebuild outfit for parts if you need them bro. They're out there... You might actually be on point with what you have. There's a good chance they're sprung and tuned 50/50.

LOL, Muellerized Ohlin DFV's for $2500 bones!

[sergechronos]

Wtf 600$ discount? Lame. I paid full damn price :/

They are still awesome though...

From the phone.

Well, not sure when the 600 off went into effect, so you may have it, you may not. Would still put it at what, 3200ish to be done? That's just out of my price range.


Might be worth trying another rebuild outfit for parts if you need them bro. They're out there... You might actually be on point with what you have bro. There's a good chance they're sprung and talked 50/50.

LOL, Muellerized Ohlin DFV's for $2500 bones!

That's what I'm hoping at any rate. A gutted Evo likely wouldn't need ultra high spring rates and could get away with something less. So once Muellerized can find the guys specs we'll see. Hopefully they'll be close enough I won't even need to send them in, but we'll have to wait and see. I have already had a couple other 3S owners I know comment about being willing to buy these off of me if they're too stiff because they want the "Because racecar" feel. Again, all will depend on what Muellerized can dig up in the files and how far off that might be from my intended goals. If my car were running, I could just bolt them on and try them out and see if I like it as is, but as the rebuild likely won't be done until late spring/early summer..

[R/T93]

Be careful after you agree to have services done. They can sue you if you talk about any specs and/or what they did with them.

From the phone.

[J. Fast]

Damn... Everything on SCE Evo adapters is down right now. AST 5000 series are $2500 :shocked: Crazy! Guess right after new years is a good time to buy! I just checked pricing on Moton and JRZ's and they appear to be discounted as well. Good stuff!

[R/T93]

Last May I was told i got some of the last adapters. Lets hope he made another batch.

From the phone.

[sergechronos]

Be careful after you agree to have services done. They can sue you if you talk about any specs and/or what they did with them.

From the phone.

Of course. Even for now speaking in generalities, nothing shared that wasn't provided to me without having to sign an NDA. Once they find the information from last time, will probably have to sign an NDA before they will share them with me (if they will share them) even if I don't have them do any further work. I did tell them what I was looking for, so may just get a response from them that this is or isn't close to what my goals are. Hoping for good news, but we will see. At any rate, will likely still sell these and move up to the Ohlins in the next year or two anyhow.

As for adapters, sent SCE a message asking before I placed an order. Hopefully hear back in the morning. Philip got back to me tonight actually, says that they still have them in stock. So order placed. Huzzah.

[sergechronos]

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Small update: SCE adapters arrived. still haven't heard back from Muellerized. Going to call them Monday and find out where that stands. At this point kinda thinking I may just say damn the torpedoes and bolt them on and see how I like them before getting them redone.

[sergechronos]

Never did hear back again from Muellerized. Going to bolt them on as is and see how I feel about them before deciding which direction I go with them

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[DG]

Ugh, I think this thread gave me cancer.

DG

[CoopKill]

He's back! Without you here to set us straight, what's a girl tado?

[DocWalt]

Ugh, I think this thread gave me cancer.

DG

I lol'd. You wouldn't believe the places I find links to your "Autocross To Win" site, lol. Thankfully people are generally using it to set people straight.