Proof the EBay chips actually do work!

[terrets]

I miss typed the title, its suppose to say DONT work.

I just got contacted by a kid who has and SL and had bought some pulleys from me a few weeks ago. Well he bought a Venom 400 off Ebay. If you dont know what it is, its about $130 and plugs right into the ECU. He says he wired it right. He said the only thing it did do was make his car idle higher, and he had horrible gas mileage. Well guess what? He put a rod through his oil pan! He also bent 6 valves. He now wants to buy a rod and piston from me. Just wanted to share this with you guys as I thought it was a tad bit funny. He says he will never trust Ebay chips again haha.

Please do not buy Ebay chips.

[RealMcCoy]

I don't know why you would say they don't work.... They work exceptionally well at their designed purpose.


(Separating fools from their money)

[terrets]

Haha I guess so.

[GTwizard]

Not a fan of ebay stuff as well. but a chip is not going to cause that type of catastrophic (spelling and typing sucks) damage. Maybe it was the Royal Purple koolaid he was running in his motor. Bad milage and high idle, believe that. Not to sure about Venom products anyways. But I do know of a car running that same venom 400 for years and never had a problem. Ebay does not make a thing. And one can sell crap on ebay and that is not ebays fault. I have OBX long tube headers from ebay and what a saving to buy them there. So I don't know as I would bash Ebay as much as I would think a better target might just be the Venom products or the history of the car the products are put in. I don't think I would jump to conclutions so fast. Just food for thought.

[terrets]

Well the bashing is meant more towards the chips that are sold on ebay, not ebay itself.

[GTwizard]

Well the bashing is meant more towards the chips that are sold on ebay, not ebay itself.

The Venom name has been around for a while. About 12 years or so. Follow the link. Check out the product for your self. It does not plug into the ECU as you say and if done so may just have caused some of his problems. But the failure of his motor I don't believe was do to a Venom product.
www.venom-performance.com/index.php?content=about

[terrets]

I thought I heard of Venom. I didn't think there was ANY kind of chip like this that plugs into the ECU though, even from a different company. Maybe I should close this thread? haha

[GTwizard]

No. Do not close the thread. You have brought to light a very good point. It is always buyer be ware on ebay. We have no idea if this kid got a real Vemon product or a garbage China copy. Everything that you have said might be right. These threads are to get people to think. That's all I try to do. Even if I respond with what may sound like a negetive responce to the thread, the idea to get other to think about what they are doing what just happened and why. All good stuff here. I have deleted posts in the past when I think I was wrong about something. But I don't think you are wrong as you were just posting a short history of what hapopened. I was just trying to make sence of it and thinking out loud.

[terrets]

Ahh I understand. Ya I just wanted to try and make people away of buying from ebay also. Thanks GT for the input.

[Erron Spalsbury]

I don't know why you would say they don't work.... They work exceptionally well at their designed purpose.


(Separating fools from their money)

LOL! Win!

[SkorpioLT]

oh yeah, I remember my first car and my first ebay chip.... Sometimes you just gotta test it out to believe it lol. GTwizard youre getting way too technical for this thread. Of course there are good products on ebay. Its just that the performance chips sold on ebay for stock DD's (hondas ahehemmmm) do not add any performance, nor would I actually categorize them as chips. Its just people making money off other people's lack of knowledge and the need for speed.

[vr3.9]

Thought the add in the corner was funny. Almost makes you want to start some crazy titled thread just to see what add pops up.

[terrets]

Thought the add in the corner was funny. Almost makes you want to start some crazy titled thread just to see what add pops up.

HAHA nice. Mines for VW chips. 50hp gain and better MPG. HOLY SH*T. :lol:

[stealthee]

The Venom 400 adds ZERO power whatsoever. All it does is make the ECU think the throttle position is higher than it is.

Example: At 50% throttle the ECU now sees 75% throttle with the Venom 400 turned on. You now think, hey it takes less throttle to go faster so it MUST have added power. :rolleyes:

At 100% throttle, the ECU sees....... you guessed it 100% throttle. It doesn't affect A/F ratio, or readings from the MAS. It just affects the reading from the TPS.

That all being said, the Venom did not cause the catastrphic failure. Your friends failure caused catastrophic failure.

[terrets]

Lol he is an acquaintance. You are damned intelligent stealthee....Is this all in your head, or on google? lol :). What do you think cause a rod to go through the pan if the only thing he did was install the Venom?

[stealthee]

He probably ran it low on oil, or possibly the extra fuel from the Venom caused the oil to thin out and he spun a bearing so bad it welded the bearing to the crank and the result was the rod rocketing through the pan.

As for knowledge, I learn as I go. If someone asks a question I don't know the answer to I either wait for someone to post the correct answer and try to absorb that into my mind, or I go looking elsewhere for the answer myself.

[green-lantern]

The Venom 400 adds ZERO power whatsoever. All it does is make the ECU think the throttle position is higher than it is.

Example: At 50% throttle the ECU now sees 75% throttle with the Venom 400 turned on. You now think, hey it takes less throttle to go faster so it MUST have added power. :rolleyes:

At 100% throttle, the ECU sees....... you guessed it 100% throttle. It doesn't affect A/F ratio, or readings from the MAS. It just affects the reading from the TPS.

That all being said, the Venom did not cause the catastrphic failure. Your friends failure caused catastrophic failure.

Yeah all you have to do it open the throttle more to get the same result. lol

[jbuhrman]

He probably ran it low on oil, or possibly the extra fuel from the Venom caused the oil to thin out and he spun a bearing so bad it welded the bearing to the crank and the result was the rod rocketing through the pan.

As for knowledge, I learn as I go. If someone asks a question I don't know the answer to I either wait for someone to post the correct answer and try to absorb that into my mind, or I go looking elsewhere for the answer myself.

You got a long way to go :P

I kid I kid, its been awhile since I busted your balls...

[stealthee]

Haha. I tell you what man, I had a good bit of basic knowledge 8 years ago. I had been around a garage for a long time when I got my Stealth, but never really had to do much diagnosis. I used to call on my dad or other people for diagnosis help. Now they call me.

What they say is true. Making mechanics out of owners since 1991.

[green-lantern]

What they say is true. Making mechanics out of owners since 1991.

:lol: It's so damn true! I've always been a pretty good mechanic but since I've owned this thing I have really grown by leaps and bounds.

[terrets]

:lol: It's so damn true! I've always been a pretty good mechanic but since I've owned this thing I have really grown by leaps and bounds.

x2. When I had my dsm, I would have never thought of rebuilding, or doing adding supporting mods and upgrading turbo/s. I had a mechanic do about half of the work on the dsm, such as timing belt and clutch. Now Im doing everything myself on the vr4 :D.