I hope this never happens in the USA

[CoreyB]

But you can bet it will.

Paris mayor looks to ban old cars from city | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/11/14/paris-mayor-looks-to-ban-old-cars-from-city/?intcmp=features)

[green-lantern]

Cash for clunkers was a start. I’m sure it will happen one way or the other. I’d say they will just impose restrictions that old cars cant pass.

[UTRacerX9]

I can see it happening in certain cities, but certainly not the entire US. In TX, they have legislation that if your car is over 25 years old, you don't even have to do emissions testing anymore.

[CoreyB]

Yeah, doubt it would happen everywhere. Still its like a plaque, it will spread.

[vroom4]

Yea it will have to be a county by county thing, but I can see it happening in some big cities starting with seattle and portland.

[NickS VR4]

Good thing this will not benefit the poor, allow older cars on the road longer.

[bridge]

Illinois - only emissions for obdII '96+

Yeah not gonna happen unless super eco friendly government

[IPD]

fuck kommiefornina. that is all.

[DocWalt]

My car failed PA emissions... If you spend $150 or more on parts (and labor at a qualified service station) trying to make it pass and it fails the second time (one free re-test) you get a sticker that says your emissions were waived and you're on your way.

This is just some politician exercising his right to be an incompetent tool.

[Alan92RTTT]

Emissions testing? Whats that?

[CoreyB]

We have just a CEL test here in NH. If you dont have a code stored that throws a CEL, you will pass the test. And that is ONLY on 96 or newer cars.

[NickS VR4]

In NJ, '95 and older is only a visual cat check, and sniffer test.
96+ is no CEL, no pending emissions codes, and visual cat check.

[mcshooter]

saw a hearing a few years ago when a senator wanted to ban all cars 25 years old and when asked about guys who have older cars they take to car shows and cruiseins he said they can use a trailer

[futurevr4man]

I can see it happening in certain cities, but certainly not the entire US. In TX, they have legislation that if your car is over 25 years old, you don't even have to do emissions testing anymore.

can you believe that?! in nicholasville kentucky, they have this law that if your car runs, you dont have to do an emission test. crazy! :p

but srsly, some places will take a long time to change. i doubt the entire US will get affected all at once if something like that did happen

[2fnloud]

I doubt SEMA would let this happen

[j2k4]

Emissions testing? Whats that?

If Michigan were not - by happenstance - the auto manufacturing capital of the US, it would be at the forefront of the movement towards automotive obsolescence, because this state is stupid-lib-green by every other inclination.

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Never happen, not in France, and not here. France would provide subsidies for people to buy newer cars? WITH WHAT? Last I checked Europe is broke.

Jeremy

[IPD]

saw a hearing a few years ago when a senator wanted to ban all cars 25 years old and when asked about guys who have older cars they take to car shows and cruiseins he said they can use a trailer

sounds like the same BS logic that the left has about guns.

[onebadmollafolla]

WITH WHAT? Last I checked Europe is broke.

Jeremy

Nah man, just look at Greece. It's an economic utopia.

[green-lantern]

My car failed PA emissions... If you spend $150 or more on parts (and labor at a qualified service station) trying to make it pass and it fails the second time (one free re-test) you get a sticker that says your emissions were waived and you're on your way.

This is just some politician exercising his right to be an incompetent tool.


Emissions testing? Whats that?

Sounds like extortion :lo5l:


Nah man, just look at Greece. It's an economic utopia.

I keep getting told the economy here is pretty damn good also. ha ha

[BigTyla]

Won't happen anywhere.

[wingnut]

Won't happen anywhere.

Thats what was said when Gov. Aaaaahnold signed the repeal of the 30 year rolling smog window...

...as he drove off in his Hummer with a corvette motor that supposedly didnt need smog, courtesy of "dealer plates" :p

[BigTyla]

...as he drove off in his Hummer with a corvette motor that supposedly didnt need smog, courtesy of "dealer plates" :p

I thought he had a hybrid Hummer. :p

[anyonebutme]

Won't happen anywhere.

Japan. Why do you think the US is flooded with JDM imports of engines and clips?

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Japan. Why do you think the US is flooded with JDM imports of engines and clips?

Because people keep perpetuating that mileage myth? The only reason Japanese trade their cars in early is because of the cost of shaken. There is nothing that says they must retire their cars at any age or km's.

Jeremy

[wingnut]

I thought he had a hybrid Hummer. :p

Well sure, but do you really think he got rid of the vette powered one :D

[anyonebutme]

Because people keep perpetuating that mileage myth? The only reason Japanese trade their cars in early is because of the cost of shaken. There is nothing that says they must retire their cars at any age or km's.

Jeremy

because of cost, exactly. just because an outright ban won't work doesn't mean the idea won't stick.

[CoreyB]

If you guys read the article, you would see that Paris would be the SECOND city to enforce this law. In other words, it has already been done before.

[Jeremy C]

If Michigan were not - by happenstance - the auto manufacturing capital of the US, it would be at the forefront of the movement towards automotive obsolescence, because this state is stupid-lib-green by every other inclination.

MI being progressive has nothing to do with it not having emissions testing any longer. Detroit had testing up until 1995, and there were plans to start testing in the Grand Rapids area. The backlash from the populace and the fact that people were paying off private testing sights to get passes on cars that had no right to it were enough that the state legislature decided it wasn't a good idea and dropped it. Chances are it won't come up again for a long time because of the political suicide that it would entail from those that remember the last time.

[CoreyB]

I could totally see this coming up again. The biggest beneficiary from this would be the automotive industry. Something our government has a huge stake in. Not saying this is coming our way, but if you look around, look at the current trend, look at who is in power, I dont see it as a stretch.

[green-lantern]

Won't happen anywhere.

Your football predicting skills have clouded your judgement.

[BigTyla]

Your football predicting skills have clouded your judgement.

Allow me to edit then for clarity.

Won't happen anywhere that matters.

[Mikes2nd]

we are gonna tech our way out of that crap... GM, Ford and Chryslers trucks will all get 26 mpg now... the 450 hp corvette will get 26-27...

Worst case make them ditch cars that get under 20...

we have real problems with aholes driving 1960 work trucks and 1970's-80 dump trucks who just cover the earth in black diesel fuel soot.

Seriously its fricking ridiculous. And they need to check those piece of crap ford 3500 diesels also... I dont care if its brand new, that thing spit diesel like its a fire hose.

Chevys arent as bad... piece of crap fords...

[anyonebutme]

we are gonna tech our way out of that crap... GM, Ford and Chryslers trucks will all get 26 mpg now... the 450 hp corvette will get 26-27...

Worst case make them ditch cars that get under 20...

we have real problems with aholes driving 1960 work trucks and 1970's-80 dump trucks who just cover the earth in black diesel fuel soot.

Seriously its fricking ridiculous. And they need to check those piece of crap ford 3500 diesels also... I dont care if its brand new, that thing spit diesel like its a fire hose.

Chevys arent as bad... piece of crap fords...

somehow I have a feeling correcting you is a waste of time.

[93STLTH]

Paris is a dirty, smelly city, so I can understand the intent.

[Mikes2nd]

Emissions testing? Whats that?

lack of it is deaths due to Asthma is what that is... cancer

[vr4tune]

we are gonna tech our way out of that crap... GM, Ford and Chryslers trucks will all get 26 mpg now... the 450 hp corvette will get 26-27...

Worst case make them ditch cars that get under 20...

we have real problems with aholes driving 1960 work trucks and 1970's-80 dump trucks who just cover the earth in black diesel fuel soot.

Seriously its fricking ridiculous. And they need to check those piece of crap ford 3500 diesels also... I dont care if its brand new, that thing spit diesel like its a fire hose.

Chevys arent as bad... piece of crap fords...




lack of it is deaths due to Asthma is what that is... cancer

You made me love my 7.3l Diesel FORD Excursion even more!
Isn't she pretty? It haul my asthma cursed ass around just fine.
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/vr4tune/Excursion/f628973d4318377181f30138d1c2f764.jpg

[onebadmollafolla]

You made me love my 7.3l Diesel FORD Excursion even more!
Isn't she pretty? It haul my asthma cursed ass around just fine.
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/vr4tune/Excursion/f628973d4318377181f30138d1c2f764.jpg

Nice ride! Not a huge fan of Fords but that's pretty sweet.

[Mikes2nd]

Nice ride! Not a huge fan of Fords but that's pretty sweet.

piece of giant crap :)

I drive a truck also, Chevys > Ford crap...

[HilbillyHomeboy]

we are gonna tech our way out of that crap... GM, Ford and Chryslers trucks will all get 26 mpg now... the 450 hp corvette will get 26-27...

Worst case make them ditch cars that get under 20...

we have real problems with aholes driving 1960 work trucks and 1970's-80 dump trucks who just cover the earth in black diesel fuel soot.

Seriously its fricking ridiculous. And they need to check those piece of crap ford 3500 diesels also... I dont care if its brand new, that thing spit diesel like its a fire hose.

Chevys arent as bad... piece of crap fords...

Nobody wants a 2wd, regular cab, manual shift truck. That's the only thing that gets even close to the number you're talking about, and they still are a ways off from that.

Corvettes have been getting that kind of mileage for eons, as long as you keep your foot out of them. Nothing groundbreaking there. My 99 C5 easily got 31 mpg at 75mph on flat ground. Hell, my dad's old 87 IROC got mid to upper 20's.

Feel free to buy new cars for people that can't afford new cars...

Jeremy

[wingnut]

You made me love my 7.3l Diesel FORD Excursion even more!
Isn't she pretty? It haul my asthma cursed ass around just fine.
http://i591.photobucket.com/albums/ss357/vr4tune/Excursion/f628973d4318377181f30138d1c2f764.jpg

agreed, with our 7.3 as well...

http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp734%3A9%3Enu%3D4432%3E%3B68%3E234%3E WSNRCG%3D359585648%3B348nu0mrj

...hell we all used to have a ford vs. chevy thing, back in HIGH SCHOOL :lol:

(for the nitpickers, yes shes squatting with 2500 pounds in the bed and 7200 pounds on the trailer with the airbags at only 50 psi)

[vr4tune]

piece of giant crap :)

I drive a truck also, Chevys > Ford crap...

Your problem is that you have a HUGE BIAS. When you grow up and open you eyes you will see that all companies have strengths and weaknesses.

For example, I like Apple phones and tablits, windows desktops, Google search engine and maps. I also vote Demacrate as well as republican, depending on who I trust more and feel will do a better job! I also watch Bill O'Reilly as well as The daily show with Jon Stuart.

For now I'll let you Chevy > Ford ignorance slide.

[CoopKill]

Lolz, Brett the truth tella!

No thanks button in tapatalk or you would have my daily limit.

[IPD]

Your problem is that you have a HUGE BIAS. When you grow up and open you eyes you will see that all companies have strengths and weaknesses.

For example, I like Apple phones and tablits, windows desktops, Google search engine and maps. I also vote Demacrate as well as republican, depending on who I trust more and feel will do a better job! I also watch Bill O'Reilly as well as The daily show with Jon Stuart.

For now I'll let you Chevy > Ford ignorance slide.

you vote both republican and democrat? damn man. i could have at least had respect for you if you said you vote for neither.

[vr4tune]

you vote both republican and democrat? damn man. i could have at least had respect for you if you said you vote for neither.

I'm an independent! And yes I hate politicians, but I'd rather have a say than no say. The lesser of two evils.

[UTRacerX9]

I'm an independent! And yes I hate politicians, but I'd rather have a say than no say. The lesser of two evils.

Well said.

[anyonebutme]

makes me want to line up all my trucks for a picture.......


7.3L FTMFW

[vr4tune]

makes me want to line up all my trucks for a picture.......


7.3L FTMFW

Do it!

[wingnut]

7.3L FTMFW

indeed...we have been teased no less then half a dozen times to trade her in on something newer, but it always comes back to not being able to get rid of that 7.3 :D

well...that, and having NO car payment for almost 3 years now :lol:

[Mikes2nd]

everyone knows chevy trucks are better than ford crap...

2011 Chevy Silverado 3500 Duramax vs. 2011 Ford F-350 Power Stroke | Diesel Trucks Blog & Discussion at Diesel Power Magazine (http://blogs.dieselpowermag.com/6729984/diesel-trucks/2011-chevy-silverado-3500-duramax-vs-2011-ford-f-350-power-stroke/)


Ford = shit compared to the chevy...


Nope. It wasn’t even close.

While the difference in hillclimbing between the Chevy and the Ford is impressive, the exhaust braking advantage of the Silverado is staggering.



Acceleration Test Winner: Chevrolet Silverado 3500
Exhaust Brake Test Winner: Chevrolet Silverado 3500
Fuel Economy Test Winner: Tie


chevy only got .07 better mpg... hard to measure :)

My Chevy Avalanche is the highest quality truck out there in 2012.


In the J.D. Power and Associates 2010 U.S. Initial Quality Study released last month, pickups widened their lead over light vehicles for the 2010 model year. Leading the pickup segment were GM’s Chevrolet Avalanche and GMC Sierra, tied for the fewest problems per vehicle (a total of 81).

FoMoCo’s F-150 came in second at 85.

- By: Omar Rana

Source: Detroit News

[CoreyB]

Why is Dodge not in that comparison? Like has been already stated, they all have faults, it really comes down to how biased you are. I personally am biased towards Dodge, I think they make the best trucks.
How the fuck did truck talk take over my thread?

[vr4tune]

My Chevy Avalanche is the highest quality truck out there.

Lol at you!

[vr4tune]

Why is Dodge not in that comparison? Like has been already stated, they all have faults, it really comes down to how biased you are. I personally am biased towards Dodge, I think they make the best trucks.
How the fuck did truck talk take over my thread?

Sorry for the thread jack ill shut up now!

[CoreyB]

Sorry for the thread jack ill shut up now! Haha, no need to shut up. No worries man.

[onebadmollafolla]

everyone knows chevy trucks are better than ford crap...

2011 Chevy Silverado 3500 Duramax vs. 2011 Ford F-350 Power Stroke | Diesel Trucks Blog & Discussion at Diesel Power Magazine (http://blogs.dieselpowermag.com/6729984/diesel-trucks/2011-chevy-silverado-3500-duramax-vs-2011-ford-f-350-power-stroke/)


Ford = shit compared to the chevy...






chevy only got .07 better mpg... hard to measure :)

My Chevy Avalanche is the highest quality truck out there in 2012.

The Avalanche is a lunch box...except it is has more plastic.

[Mikes2nd]

Sorry the avalanche is nice... I have the orange one...

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/245688/2008-chevrolet-avalanche-ltz-photo-245760-s-1280x782.jpg


Why is Dodge not in that comparison? Like has been already stated, they all have faults, it really comes down to how biased you are. I personally am biased towards Dodge, I think they make the best trucks.
How the fuck did truck talk take over my thread?

dodge I think just came out with a truck that can compete... not sure but the ram simply wasn't safe to tow at the chevy/ford levels of 18,000 lbs...

more proof gm is better quality than crappy fords...

J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study: Top-Rated Vans, SUVs and Trucks - Cars.com (http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=iqs&story=iqsTruck&referer=&year=&aff=national)


Best Full-Size Pickup GMC Sierra LD Chevrolet Silverado HD
Chevrolet Avalanche (tie)
Nissan Titan (tie)


Best American cars - Pick-up: Chevrolet Avalanche (7) - CNNMoney.com (http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/autos/0903/gallery.consumer_reports_best_american_cars/7.html)

Pick-up: Chevrolet Avalanche
Chevrolet Avalanche 1500 on AOL Autos

Pricing: $35,460 - $46,700
Mileage: 20 mpg Hwy, 14 mpg City

This is the one category in which an American product was included in Consumer Reports' "Top Picks," of all automakers - foreign and domestic.

The Avalanche is really part truck and part SUV. The rear wall of the cab, where passengers sit, folds down, creating an opening into the bed to allow for carrying larger items. It replaced the Chevrolet Silverado, which was the top pick last year.

[onebadmollafolla]

Sorry the avalanche is nice... I have the orange one...

http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/245688/2008-chevrolet-avalanche-ltz-photo-245760-s-1280x782.jpg.

Gross. Might as well buy a Honda Element as far as aesthetics are concerned.

[IPD]

on the bright side, banning old cars means that we won't have to see any more of those god-awful pontiac goats from the 60's. :p

[IPD]

Gross. Might as well buy a Honda Element as far as aesthetics are concerned.

you mean honda ridgeline?

[HilbillyHomeboy]

Ford F-series is the best selling truck for near 40 years. /discussion

Jeremy

[anyonebutme]

Ford F-series is the best selling ANYTHING for near 40 years. /discussion

Jeremy

fixed

[green-lantern]

The Avalanche has got to be the ugliest thing on the road.

[UTRacerX9]

Some of you are bashing the Avalanche just because Mike has one. They're not that bad looking, and they're very versatile. Friend of mine had a black one, one of the worst problems with them is all the plastic cladding fades pretty quickly, but the same can be said for Jeep, for Ford, etc.

As far as looks go, there's a ton of worse looking vehicles out there... Aztek anyone?

... Amazing where a thread can go LOL

[DocWalt]

They 're worse looking than the aztek, and that's saying something.

[anyonebutme]

Completely useless as a truck, and no cargo capacity like similar size suv.

No 10' bed.....cant be called a real truck. 8' is pushing it for usefulness.

[BigTyla]

They 're worse looking than the aztek, and that's saying something.

...but still not as ugly as the Juke.

[IPD]

...but still not as ugly as the Juke.

+1 almost as bad as a fiat multipla

[Mikes2nd]

Haters gonna hate. OMG YOU GUYS ARE hurting my feelings! :) awww im gonna go cry now! big meanies! Its an awesome vehicle. Rides like a Cadillac, can carry plenty and tow.
btw I don't have a 60's GTO, I have a 1970 :) get your insults right.
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/06/28/00/18/1970_pontiac_gto-pic-24206.jpeg

[anyonebutme]

I don't believe you have either vehicle, otherwise you'd post pictures of yours instead of finding random pics of "like vehicles".

[IPD]

doesn't matter goats suck. long live the REAL gto, the 3/s.

[anyonebutme]

doesn't matter goats suck. long live the REAL gto, the 3/s.

Long live the REAL REAL GTO. Made by Ferrari.

[IPD]

Long live the REAL REAL GTO. Made by Ferrari.

the REAL REAL REAL GTO made by Nobel.

[JasonY]

Ferraris suck and so do old cars.

A truck w/o a diesel I couldn't give a shit about. That said, stock for stock the current Dmax is the best towing rig you can buy. Dodge is going to change that though with the 13' 3500s though. If they get it right, it will be unmatched for a while.

Jason

[anyonebutme]

the REAL REAL REAL GTO made by Nobel.

Lee Nobel was like 5 years old when the Ferrari GTO was born. So no.

[IPD]

Lee Nobel was like 5 years old when the Ferrari GTO was born. So no.

first doesn't always = best.

p.s.
what were we arguing about in this thread?

[anyonebutme]

first doesn't always = best.

p.s.
what were we arguing about in this thread?

Don't remember. I think it was about how ugly the Aztec was?

[IPD]

Don't remember. I think it was about how ugly the Aztec was?

oh right...slightly uglier than a VW harlequin?